Linux-Advocacy Digest #38, Volume #28 Thu, 27 Jul 00 19:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man! (Chris Wenham)
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... ("Drestin Black")
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... ("Drestin Black")
Re: Why is "ease of use" a dirty concept? (Byron A Jeff)
Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious.... ("Drestin Black")
Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man! (Karel Jansens)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows? ("Drestin Black")
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man!
From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 22:01:02 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () writes:
> > I think there are enough computer users who have learned the
> > "familiar" and are ready to test the benefits of something that may
> > not necessarily be familiar but may still be better once learned.
>
> I think you overestimate that considerably.
I think there are /enough/. The people who can't program VCRs can
continue to use baby interfaces and talking paperclips. I shouldn't
have to use dumb interfaces like these just because they're tied to
the one program which does the function I need*.
Regards,
Chris Wenham
* - That's not necessarily meant to imply I need the particular
programs famous for their talking paperclips :-)
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:05:03 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > : abraxas wrote:
> > : >
> > : > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Drestin Black
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > : >
> > : > >
> > : > > I NEVER claimed to be a "Soooooper" or super programmer. I claim
and am a
> > : > > programmer. I think a good one but not a "great" one.
> > : >
> > : > You're kidding yourself. You're a horrible web designer to boot,
and ANYBODY
> > : > can do THAT shit.
> > : >
> > : > -----yttrx
> >
> > : Drestin reminds me of the kind of guy who has changed his own oil
> > : and air filters for the last 20 years, and fancies himself to be
> > : an ASE Certified Master Mechanic.
> >
> > You remind me of the kind of guy who has used a computer for a number of
> > years, and fancies himself to be an expert on every single system in
> > existence. Sort of like a Derek Currie clone, with one or two
braincells
> > missing.
>
> Wrong. I've never used VMS, so I don't comment on it.
> I used IBM-370 VM/CMS only as a novice, so I'm not very familiar
> with it. Thus, I comment only rarely about it.
yawn..
>
> >
> > Exactly why should I beleive that you have more skill and knowhow than
> > Drestin does?
>
> I majored in Computer Systems Engineering at Purdue University, one of
> the 10 best institutions on the entire PLANET for learning this
> discipline.
so, big deal. so you are a paper student. yipee!! maybe one day you'll even
get an MSCE (but I doubt it) And Purdue is hardly top 10 for this
"discipline" (unless you mean being an arrogent butthead). The best
programmers I know never graduated college, it was too slow/out-dated for
them.
>
>
> > Drestin makes no qualms about qualifying what he says
with
> > evidence, or at least a reference. You just voice your own opinions,
and
> > present them as facts.
>
> Drestin's evidence usually falls far short of what he alleges.
Bullshit and you know it. I document my claims, unlike you mr. 20 total at
GM.
>
> Witness his claim that Stratus's 99.999% uptime on HP-UX
> somehow included W2K as well.
it does, factually. Pick up the telephone and call them and ask them point
blank and you'll have your answer. E-mail them and you'll have your answer.
Order one and you'll have your solution.
<snip> >
> > I'd hire Drestin for development work over you in a NY minute, Aaron.
>
> This is why you fail.
I hardly think Stephen is "failing" but it's something you would be familiar
with, HOW many jobs in how many years? People don't like to keep you around
very long do they?
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:06:29 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Stephen S. Edwards II" wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > : John Hall wrote:
> > : >
> > : > "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > : > news:LlId5.36590$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > : >
> > : > > > No, I mean it's a simple language, good for simple jobs. Not for
large
> > : > > scale
> > : > > > complex jobs, or jobs with specific hardware interface
requirements.
> > : > > >
> > : > >
> > : > >
> > : > > Can you be more specific? In what way is VB failing on a large
scale that
> > : > is
> > : > > not revealed to us "little scale" programmers who are having no
trouble
> > : > > using VB for most anything.
> > : >
> > : > VB has very poor error handling (well certainly the versions I've
used) -
> > : > it makes it very difficult to write large-scale, robust
applciations.
> > : >
> >
> > : The problem is fools like DB who have a trade-school education,
> > : yet think they're in posession of PhD level knowledge.
> >
> > The problem is also often people who think that simply because they are
> > experts on one platform, assume that they are experts on others...
>
> You write as if you think having proficiency in Unix precludes
> gathering substantial knowledge about windows.
>
> Hint fucking it: it doesn't.
"Hint fucking it" - you good writes english too
And, I never made that poor assumption - unlike you which wants to believe
that someone who can say the words necessarily knows what they mean. Or that
being a C programmers makes you automatically a good programmer (or a VB
programmer makes you a bad programmer). In fact, ALL your ASSumptions you
make only make you an ignorant ass who'll never learn... and probaly
doesn'teven think he needs to.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Byron A Jeff)
Subject: Re: Why is "ease of use" a dirty concept?
Date: 27 Jul 2000 18:03:12 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
1$Worth <"1$Worth"@costreduction.plseremove.screaming.net> wrote:
-Hi all,
-
-So why is "Ease Of Use" a dirty concept?
Because it's a misnomer many times. Many folks confuse EOU with Ease of
Getting Started. And many EOU interfaces oversimplify and hide features
that experienced users find critical.
So the upshot is that power/experienced users get frustrated with EOU
interfaces because it prevents them from performing tasks they wish to do.
Thereby denying such users the very EOU that's touted to begin with.
-
-Like it or not, many posters to this very NG and some vocal sections of
-the GNU-Linux community see "ease of use" as synonymous to a Microsoft
-OS design.
-
-One recent example:
-"The real key to getting rid of Microsoft is not a GUI, not some ease of
-use BS [but to address the M$ rebooting idiom]"
-
-For Linux to be propelled onto the desktop I'd urge posters to drop this
-assumption for the good of the community.
-
-IMHO:
-
-"Ease of use" to me means that you can get things done faster and
-better. It means "power" to the user that otherwise would not possess
-the knowledge to extract that power.
But the Windows/Mac EOU interfaces deny that exact activity. Honestly
pointing and clicking is a interface for a child. Adults are prefectly
capable of constructing thoughts and abstraction using words. CLI interfaces
are typically deemed powerful precisely they allow for the user to completely
specify the parameters of the the task to be done.
The problem with such interfaces is that it requires knowledge and expertise
in order to utilize it properly. It other words it sucks for a novice.
So honestly neither paradigm adequate represents the completely model for all
users. The debate falls down once an attempt to shove all users into one
camp or the other occurs.
The advocates in this NG battle so bitterly because most attempts to introduce
EOU is generally to the exception of any other model.
Probably the correct model is is a multilayered, multiaccessible, configurable,
high quality defaulted interface. But it's hard to do right. There should
be a comfort level for every user from novice to expert. As users progress
they should have the ability to change the access mode and options of the
interface. These changes should be multiaccessible via GUI, CLI, config
files, etc. Well defined defaults should be standardized upon, but each and
every one should be configurable. In short a dynamic, transisional interface
that suits all users at every phase of their development.
But again I say it isn't easy to do.
-
-"Ease of use" means that Linux can be accessible to people whom
-otherwise would be locked into closed source for-profits-only solutions.
-It also means that the MARKET will take Linux as seriously as it does
-with a Microsoft or an Apple. It means that even more device makers will
-positively want their hardware to work to its fully optimised potential
-under Linux. It means that software producers MUST consider their
-software portability as the market share justifies investment. It means
-the GNU-Linux gets better. Better is good for us all.
Honestly this sounds like vague marketspeak. Could you be more preceise?
-
-Surely the intelligence of any system, whether it is a fly-by-wire
-aircraft control system, a video camcorder or a computer system is in
-HIDDING the complexity of the tasks that they perform? And surely the
-beauty of Linux is to EXPOSE complexities to those of us who enjoy them?
-I propose that they are not mutually exclusive.
And hence the concept of a multilayered transitional interface.
-
-If you look at the wonderful projects that are around such as Gnome and
-Eazel, and then you look at the first stages of graphical configuration
-utilities and the installer programs of the latest Linux distributions
-then this indicates that ease of use is actually what people want.
-Indeed is is what some people *need* in order to use Linux.
Not sure here. There's a very dangerous black hole that lurks around the
concept of the the clueless user being able to adequately manage a machine
using intelligent scripts. Getting sucked into it means that you have to
build highly intelligent interfaces that can perceive the user's needs and
respond to them.
Truth be told, a reasonably skilled sys admin is smarter than all those
scripts. But another EOU concept is that systems are simple enough that
even Grandma can manage them. Clearly a fallacy.
-
-Microsoft clearly stole their ideas from Apple and Apple clearly stole
-their ideas from Xerox Parc and Xerox PARC created their ideas from some
-of the finest scientists of the time. It is not a dirty word, but a goal
-to achieve. It is not Microsoft or Apple, it is just good computing.
-
-Linux has served me very well as a reliable server and a programming
-platform, but as a desktop platform it just does not measure up to its
-peers in terms of ease of use. That's not bad! It just means that Linux
-is young.
-
-In summary it would just be refreshing when people would not attack
-others who are not comfortable with the way things work in Linux. There
-is already too much FUD in the world.
But KDE, Gnome, and others are lighting the way towards such interfaces. But
they all need to beware of the trap of hiding complex interfaces to the point
where they are inaccessible to anyone. That's where EOU falls down.
BAJ
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.flame.right-wing-conservatives,alt.politics.economics
Subject: Re: Microsoft Ruling Too Harsh
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:07:42 -0400
Marcus Turner wrote:
>
> "Not For Smoking!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Tue, 25 Jul 2000 17:19:51 GMT, "Marcus Turner"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Not For Smoking!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> You have a funny definition of "mutual."
> > >
> > >Ummm...
> > >They both agreed to it because it made them more money than a
> non-exclusive
> > >contract would have.
> >
> > They both agreed to it becasue if they didn't, MS would have cut the
> > vendor out completely.
> >
> > Real mutual...
>
> Hmmm. Where did you get that? Do you have any examples where Microsoft cut
> a vendor out?
>
> Klein certainly didn't.
You haven't read Judge Jackson's Findings of Fact, which include
a couple of contracts and nondisclosure shenanigans.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: BASIC == Beginners language (Was: Just curious....
Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:11:10 -0500
"John Sanders" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
>
> > Writing directly to memory? What BASIC class did YOU take? Not the way I
> > learned it. I NEVER wrote directly to memory from BASIC. GOTOs - what's
> > wrong with properly used GOTOs - do you never use a JMP in assembly?
Does
> > this make assembly bad? Original old old basic was not structured or
object
> > oriented, You should review VB6 and rethink your comments.
>
> Doesn't: "Let i = 5" write to memeory? Where else does it go?
"Writing directly to memory" as in saying "Put these specific unambiguous
bits into this exact physical position in PHYSICAL memory"
Let i = 5 manipulates memory too - but in the same way that ANYTHING you do
touches memory. nothing special.
In Basic, if you have Option Explicit turned on and i was never defined
you'll get an error. If option explicit is turned off or i has been defined
then it will place the decimal value 5 into a variable named i. All cases
assume that the variable i is of numeric or varient type.
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2000 10:31:27 +0200
From: Karel Jansens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yeah! Bring down da' man!
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >
> >The whole concept of trying to immitate Win32 on a Unix platform was
> >unappealing at best.
>
> What kind of crack are you on?
>
> It's Win32 that immitates X/Motif. (along with OS/2, Next and MacOS)
>
Was X around before MacOS and Windows 286/386?
[this is a real question]
> If fvwm2 can manage to look 'too much like windows', it's due
> to fvmw2's inherent flexbility and the truth regarding who is
> stealing widgets from whom.
>
You know, the sentence above somehow manages to parse that Microsoft
copied fvwm2 into their user interface...
--
Karel Jansens
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: Thu, 27 Jul 2000 18:09:10 -0400
Tim Kelley wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > ********** YOU ARE CERTAINLY ONE SADISTIC BASTARD. ***********
>
> Again, the military is not neccessary for disaster relief. It is
> in fact a peripheral mission which has nothing to do with its
> real nature.
The military is part of "the militia" which also includes firefighters,
law enforcement, ambulance services, etc.
What part of "general welfare" do you not understand?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:14:26 -0500
sigh...
bernie... look, forget the fucking endian flip problem. I've posted some
other code, some ASP/VBScript involving ADO on a SQL Server database. That
should prove I've done my time programming. I don't need to prove anything
to anyone, I KNOW I know how to program and do it well. I'm tired of this
endless bashing because of a single stupid throwaway problem. In your
scenario, I would simply have never taken a welding class while studying
electronics. Or if I did, I'd learn how to weld right so I could just get an
A to pad my GPA. Silly... Endian flip was a horrible example and that's all
there is to it. sigh...
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8lkd7h$bns$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> >> >Yes, you are right. That was a mistake and easily fixed.
> >>
> >> Well, it kinda shows that your whole idea of figuring out the size of
> >> the integer you are passed is doomed.
>
> >I made a stupid assumption that worked within the limited knowledge I
have
> >of endian math. Again, I do not perform these functions. Ever. So I have
no
> >knowledge of the problem other than a single reference I found on the web
in
> >a perl newsgroup plus mention of a function called "Swap" in delphi 5.
>
> Knowing about the different sizes of different data types, and knowing
> that the conversion to hex of such types will lose the difference between
> a 32 bit type with the top 16 bit being zero and a 16 bit type has
> absolutely *nothing* to do with understanding the problem posed, and
> has *everything* to do with programming experience.
>
> >but you only have the lust in your eyes to put down and insult and
> >can't for a moment look past the superficial and see it for what it is.
>
> You are right --- I can't stand people who can bring themselves to use
> strings to do any sort of bit-based maths calling themselves
"programmers".
> It drags down the image of people who actually deserve that name.
>
> >Who the FUCK cares about a BASIC function, especially a visual basic
> >function, to perform endian flips?
>
> Nobody cares.
>
> However, it all comes down to *how* you solved a useless problem. You see,
> when I was still enrolled in EE rather than CS, I had to learn welding
> (I was going to be an engineer, so I had to know how to weld ;-). One of
> the things the teacher made us do was to weld two rectangles of steel,
1.5mm
> thick, together at right angle. Afterwards, we were to proceed to hammer
> the whole thing flat. Bad welds tend to break when you do that, at which
> point you chucked the remains in the recycling bin and got two new
rectangles.
>
> The teacher knew just as well as I did that welding those two pieces
> together was a thoroughly useless task, especially when followed by
hammering
> them flat. However, we both knew that if I couldn't do this weld properly,
> neither of use would even think about trusting me with welding anything
> important, and neither of us would ever agree to let me pass that
internship.
>
> You were asked to weld two pieces of steel together. You went for the
> superglue. At the moment, you have cast significant doubt on whether you
> have ever even touched a welder.
>
> Bernie
>
> --
> If I had to choose between betraying my country and betraying my
> friend, I hope I should have the guts to betray my country
> E.M. Forster
> English novelist
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:16:03 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > >ASCII (0) is also known as "NULL"
> >
> > >Are you alleging that Visual Basic uses some other ascii value as
> > >a string terminator?????????
> > [...]
> > >I can program in any of 15 different languages, whereas you are
> > >restricted to...gag...visual basic.
> >
> > You'd think that someone who knows how to program in 15 programming
> > languages would be familiar with the way Pascal (and many others)
> > handle strings...
>
> Oh yeah, I forgot. Pascal is fixed-length.
Oh yea, you forgot - pascal is not fixed length - there you go CONTINUING to
demonstrate to everyone that you are a complete idiot and totally devoid of
any programming skills of any sort whatsoever. You are a liar and this goes
to the truth of it.
>
> Thanks for the reminder of why I *REFUSE* to use Pascal. :-)
you've never used it, quit lying.
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:21:13 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Drestin Black wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > >
> > > Drestin Black wrote:
> > > > Also, let's see YOU write a BASIC function that performs endianflip
on
> > any
> > > > sized number.... hmmmm? You claim to be a programmer, this should be
> > simple,
> > > > especially in BASIC which you seem to think is for the brain dead.
So
> > show
> > > > us you are not brain dead and lets see your version of this
function?
> > Please
> > > > try not to copy from the web search you are doing now...
> > >
> > > Hmmmmm, haven't written anything in BASIC since 1984,
> > > but I'll give it a try:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The following code should run on ANY dialect of BASIC
> > > Append appropriate subroutine/function header lines as needed
> > > for modern implementations of BASIC.
> > >
> > > Rem I - input number
> > > Rem F - endian-flipped number
> > > Rem S - Size of word, in bytes
> > > Rem assumption: bitwise operators like "AND" and bit-shifts
> > > are unavailable
> > > Rem Storage protocol value 0x12345678
> > > Rem Little Endian Big Endian
> > > Rem Example (Vax, Motorola 68x00) Example: IBM mainframes
> > > Rem Location
> > > REm M 1 8
> > > Rem M+1 2 7
> > > Rem M+2 3 6
> > > Rem M+3 4 5
> > > Rem M+4 5 4
> > > Rem M+5 6 3
> > > Rem M+6 7 2
> > > Rem M+7 8 1
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > int I
> > > int F
> > > int S
> > > int N
>
> Corrections:
>
> INTEGER I
> INTEGER F
> INTEGER S
> INTEGER N ; Rem THERE, is that better?
Nope. Still wrong.
>
> > >
> > > F=0
> > >
> > > for N = 1 to S) ; Rem Process 1 byte at a time
> > > F = (F*256) + (I MODULO 256) ; Rem Get low-order 8 bits
> > > I = I / 256 ; Rem right shift 8
> > > next N
> > >
> > > return
> > >
> >
> > welll guess what Aaraon - you couldn't be more wrong. I don't think
there
> > are barely 10 lines in that code that would eactually execute.
>
> CORRECT, the whole algorithm is 5 lines long.
Nope, guess what - it still wont wrong. Syntax errors and logic errors
exist. You'll never find them.
>
>
>
> > you dont
know
>
>
> Did I, or did I not say that I have not used BASIC in 17 years.
> Go get a 1980's Apple ][ or ][+ and try it.
and did any excuse cut it for me re: endian flip when I threw out a quick
solutions? Think not and therefore none of yours apply either. You can't
program worth shit.
>
>
> > shit about basic let alone any programming at all. your application is
not
>
> You didn't specify which dialect of BASIC. Therefore, I used
> the one I know.
Bullshit, it won't run on an Apple and I've got a ][ original, with "SW"
crudely eteched on it still wrapped in a very tightly sealed half-dozen or
so plastic bags, to prove it.
again - you prove it clearly, you don't know what you are spuing about...
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Just curious, how do I do this in Windows?
Date: 27 Jul 2000 17:22:05 -0500
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> [snip]
>
> > INTEGER I
> > INTEGER F
> > INTEGER S
> > INTEGER N ; Rem THERE, is that better?
> >
> > > > F=0
> > > >
> > > > for N = 1 to S) ; Rem Process 1 byte at a time
> > > > F = (F*256) + (I MODULO 256) ; Rem Get low-order 8 bits
> > > > I = I / 256 ; Rem right shift 8
> > > > next N
> > > >
> > > > return
>
> [snip]
>
> > Did I, or did I not say that I have not used BASIC in 17 years.
> > Go get a 1980's Apple ][ or ][+ and try it.
>
> You'd need to uppercase all the reserved words and number the lines
> first. :)
>
and remove the trailing ")" after the "S" and ";" does work as a remark code
and I is an integer but using "/" (instead of "\") returns fractional. and
forgot to use "DIM" in front of the "int" or "integer" words and it's
unnecessary to initialize numeric variables to 0 and the list goes on. that
code won't run
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