Linux-Advocacy Digest #217, Volume #28            Thu, 3 Aug 00 21:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix (sideband)
  Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chad Irby)
  Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Michael S. Lorrey")
  Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR ("Michael S. Lorrey")
  Re: Star Office to be open sourced (Mike Stump)
  Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451760 ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
  Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ???? (Mikey)
  Re: Star Office to be open sourced (Mike Stump)
  Re: one  of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality (Roberto Alsina)
  Re: Linux can save you money on electricity! (Andres Soolo)
  Re: Sun revenues up WHOPPING 42% !!! (Steve Mading)
  Re: Linux can save you money on electricity! (Andres Soolo)
  Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:       (Roberto 
Alsina)
  Re: Linux as embedded OS (Ian Pulsford)
  Re: Linux, easy to use? (Roberto Alsina)
  Re: How Can I contribute? (ben)
  Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark (Courageous)
  Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark (Courageous)
  Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ???? (abraxas)
  Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR (Loren Petrich)

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From: sideband <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.alpha
Subject: Re: Linux = Yet Another Unix
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:04:33 -0400

Timmy:

It's obvious to me with the below that you're simply here to cause trouble. This
isn't an intelligent debate to you, it's troll-food.

You've obviously paid no attention to the intelligent arguments posted here, or if
you have, you couldn't gainsay them with actual technical knowledge or keen
insights. Instead you have started the wholesale gainsaying of anything anyone
posts here.

I wish you luck in your Windows realm, and I'll be ignoring this thread from here
on out.

-SSB

Tim Palmer wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On 2 Aug 2000 16:16:46 -0500, Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>Colin R. Day <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>>Tim Palmer wrote:
> >[deletia]
> >>>> >>  Explain to the end-user how to compile/install a framebuffer
> >>>> >> SVGA kernel.
> >>>> >
> >>>> >Why?
> >>>>
> >>>> Because they half to to make their graffics work.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>I have graphics, and I haven't compiled a framebuffer SVGA kernel.
> >>
> >>You must have one of the holy graffix cards that Lie-nux actulley SUPPORT'S.
> >
> >       The fastest gaming card today is officially and fully supported
> >       by the chipset vendor: Geforce II.
> >
> >       Contemporary chipsets from the other major vendors are also supported
> >       including that problem child: ATI.
>
> Only a plobem on Linux. Windows has no prolbem at all with it.
>
> >
> >       3dfx has supported Linux in some form or another for over 2 years.
> >
> >       Matrox users are enthusiastic enough to fend for themselves quite
> >       nicely. John Carmack even lent a hand to their efforts.
>
> So you say. Probly most Matrix users hue triyed Lixnu went back to Win.
>
> >
> >[deletia]
> >>>> Window's 98.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>It's a somewhat improved Windows 95, but it's hardly a revolution.
> >>>
> >>>Colin Day
> >>>
> >>
> >>It wa a hell of an emprovement over DOS.
> >
> >       An abacus is an improvement over DOS.
>
> An abacus is an immprovement over Lie-nxu.
>
> >
> >--
> >        Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
> >
> >        That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
> >                                                               |||
> >                                                              / | \
> >
> >


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From: Chad Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:05:04 GMT

Se?n ? Donnchadha <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Netscape didn't go out of business. They lost market share. 

They went out of business by losing so much stock value that they got 
bought at fire-sale prices by AOL.  A fate worse than death, overall.

> The question is, did they lose it because IE was integrated, or did 
> they lose it because IE was *BETTER*? Judging by the nearly unanimous 
> praise for IE from the press at the time, I'd say the latter.

Actually at the time Microsoft started to shoehorn IE into Windows, IE 
was still known as a lesser browser, and couldn't compete with Netscape 
on merit alone.

And at the time MS started giving away IE, they were fighting a losing 
battle in trying to get people to use IE at all, and were losing what 
little marketshare they had at the time.

The gains in quality that IE showed *after* Windows 98 came out have had 
little to do with Netscape.

-- 

Chad Irby         \ My greatest fear: that future generations will,
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   \ for some reason, refer to me as an "optimist."

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From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,soc.singles,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:25:32 -0400

Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> 
> On Wed, 02 Aug 2000 18:55:04 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >Loren Petrich wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> 
> >What's the difference between Microsoft's Extortion and Racketeering,
> >and Government Extortion and Racketeering?
> 
> The government throw you in jail for tax fraud if you don't pay your
> federal tax, but Microsoft can't do anything if you opt out of the
> Microsoft tax ? Subtle difference.

Actually, Microsoft can get the government to go crack your head for
them. Its called piracy charges....



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From: "Michael S. Lorrey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,soc.singles,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 19:29:00 -0400

Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 03 Aug 2000 01:28:38 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >>The government throw you in jail for tax fraud if you don't pay your
> >>federal tax, but Microsoft can't do anything if you opt out of the
> >>Microsoft tax ? Subtle difference.
> >
> >       You can avoid paying taxes the same way you can avoid
> >       paying the microsoft tax: opt out of the system.
> 
> How do you "opt out" of the tax system ?

Join the Tax Patriots. In the US, the Income Tax, in order to be
constitutional, had to be made a voluntary tax system. Do the proper
paperwork, and you don't gotta pay taxes.  The only people legally
required to pay income taxes are: government employees, government
beneficiaries, and officers of corporations.

> 
> >       Either forego retail computing or forego computing entirely.
> 
> I don't get this assertion. All you're saying is that you can't buy
> a computer from most retail outlets if you use Windows. But no one
> will bang down your door and throw you in jail for owning a computer
> without Windows. OTOH, if you earn money in the US, and you don't
> pay taxes , you will possibly have charges against you.

I know an author, Thomas Monteleone (Blood of the Lamb, etc), who has
not paid income taxes in 20 years.



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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss,comp.sys.sun.misc,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: Star Office to be open sourced
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:17:16 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Rich Teer  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You do your make install --prefix=/usr/local; so files get put into
>/usr/local/etc, /usr/local/bin, and various /usr/local/man directories.
>How will a simple rm -fr help in this case?

configure --prefix=/usr/local/cvs-1.10.8...
rm -rf /usr/local/cvs-1.10.8

Works nicely.

>From there, I can:

for d in bin man/man1 lib; do cd /usr/local/$d && for i in ../cvs-1.10.8/$d/*; do ln 
-i -s $i .; done; done

If I want to appear it.  If I want to switch to another one, easy
enough to issue a slightly different command.

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Crossposted-To: 
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451760
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 23:35:04 GMT

Here's today's Malloy digest.  Once again he ignores all the unresolved
issues, such as his alleged reciprocation, his illogic regarding his
frequenting of "these precincts", how he tried to speak for everyone
else, his parroting, the nonexistent chat with the "TPTB", his use of
the word "necessarily" inappropriately, and so on.  It must be a cold
day in Hades because the fact is that there was no "chat with TPTB".
There is no "TPTB" at UofH to have a chat with, Malloy's pontification
to the contrary notwithstanding.  Notice how he never produces any
evidence.

134> Tholen tholes, readers suffer:
134> 
134> Would that *you* had made such a statement, we would have you multiple times
134> over since 1992.  But no, the ignoramus Tholen realizes he'd have to shut up
134> if he were to make a similar statement.  At least David M. has the good
134> graces to admit to his error and learn from it, something you never, ever
134> do, Tholen.

Where did McCoy demonstrate that he's learned from his error, Malloy?  He
just made another similar one.

135> Tholen tholes, readers suffer:
135> 
135> Maybe you can and do, Tholen, but we here on planet Earth do not.  We
135> maintain the prerogative to alter what we do at any time.  Try being human
135> for a change, you might like it!  As for your claim, "[y]ou can strip a gear
135> going into reverse so fast," prove it, if you think you can.  I have gone
135> into reverse much, much faster and have yet to have any problems.  As you
135> say, "prove it, if you think you can".

Gee, if changing your mind is somethng you can anticipate, then perhaps
you shouldn't make a big deal out of stating what you're going to do.

136> Tholen tholes:
136> 
136> Must there be?  No, one can change one's mind for no reason at all.  Of
136> course, it takes being human to recognize that.

Too bad that Mark claims that there is a reason.  And perhaps he's changed
his mind yet again.

137> "Little man" Tholen tholes, we suffer:
137> 
137> Typical invective, "little man".
137> 
137> Still engaging in the lowest level of discussion, I see, "little man".
137> 
137> No surprise there, "little man".

Unlike Stuyck, I did not ask you or anyone to address me with any title,
Malloy.  Of course, it takes decent reading comprehension skills to
realize that difference.

138> Tholen tholes:
138> 
138> Because the rest of us, human all, have done the same thing, say in a
138> restaurant, deciding on menu items.  Things that are unimportant are treated
138> that way, Tholen.  And that's what you are -- unimportant.

And what does the waiter/waitress say after the food's been brought to
you, and you say that you've changed your mind and want a completely
different entree?  I don't expect Malloy to answer this one, readers.

139> Here's today's Tholen digest.  Once again he ignores all the unresolved
139> issues, such as his alleged reciprocation, his illogic regarding his
139> frequenting of "these precincts", how he tried to speak for everyone else,
139> his parroting, the chat with the "TPTB", his use of the word "necessarily"
139> inappropriately, and so on.  It must be a cold day in Hades because the fact
139> is that there was a "chat with TPTB".  There is a "TPTB" at UofH to have a
139> chat with, Tholen's pontification to the contrary notwithstanding.  Notice
139> how he never produces any evidence.  Typical Tholen, typical nonsense.
139> 
139> The digest [im]proper:  [0]  Thanks for reading!

Note the expected parroting, and the expected lack of evidence for the
alleged TPTB.

140> Tholen tholes a whole lot, but gains nothing from doing so, as is usual for
140> his rantings.  He claims not to be "very reserved and quiet, and not very
140> outgoing"  but proceeds, among other things, to claim that bit parts in
140> rinky-dink theatrical exploits "prove" he's not.  Well, as most of us know,
140> community theater is one of the very symptoms of "very reserved and quiet,
140> and not very outgoing" people.  But Tholen hopes to "dazzle" us with his
140> theatrical talents.  Funny, I've never heard of him except through this
140> newsgroup.  Typical bluster, typical Tholen.

And Malloy once again demonstrates his reading comprehension problem,
given that I never said anything about playing "bit parts in rinky-dink
theatrical exploits".

141> Tholen tholens:
141> 
141> Prove it, if you think, Tholen.  Else it's just a whole lot of hot air
141> coming from the old geyser.

How ironic.

142> Tholen tholens, weakly:
142> 
142> What's an "[i]dentiy [sic](k)] crisis," Tholen?  Is that supposed to mean
142> that one can't recognize an utterance of the palidromic variety?

143> Tholen, unfortunately, continues to thole:
143> 
143> Prove it, if you think.
143> 
143> You're erroneously presupposing that "Tholen" has an equivalence in this
143> universe, Tholen.  Fortunately he does not.

144> Today's Tholen digestification, alas, is as lame as all others before it.
144> Look:
144> 
144> [0]
144> 
144> See what I mean?  Thanks for reading!

145> Tholen still tholens:
145> 
145> No it isn't, Tholen.  You're not a professional logician, you're much, much
145> too rigid for that.
145> 
145> You're presupposing that there was any logic to deal with, Tholen.

Certainly not from you.

146> Here's today's Tholen digest.  Note how he still doesn't understand.
146>
146> [nada]
146>
146> Thanks for reading!

147> Tholen, hoist by his own petard, tholened:
147> 
147> Good job, Chris!  Tholen's left flustering, blustering and babbling that he
147> *really* wanted something else but what he asked for.  Typical tomfoolery,
147> typical ignorance, typical Tholen.

On the contrary, I got what I asked for, and more.

148> Tholen tholens and continues to play ignorant:
148> 
148> "I have only two words for you: Therapy"

How ironic.


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From: Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ????
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 08:26:20 -0400

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm running happily W2K and now I'd like to know a valid
> reason for switching from Windows 2000 to Linux? Why?
> What advantage does the person gain running Linux?
> Can some of you qeniuses tell me ???

Fine, if you like being stuck knowing only one OS.  Knowledge is an
advantage if your job requires you to take care of a server that doesn't
have M$ on it.

> Because Linux is a stable ?? Yes, I believe that, but so is W2K.
> 
> It costs less, yes it's true. But I'm only buying W2K once, and am all
> set for at least 5 years if not more.

Yeah, right.  Kinda like Win95, then Win98, then Win98SE, Win98ME, etc. 
Oh, and let's not forget the M$ rent-a-ware @ $10 a month.  Stick with
Mickey$oft and you'll be chucking plenty of bucks for warez.

> Besided, time is money. I will lose more money by screwing around
> with a new system that I don't even know and that may not even support
> the hardware that Windwows does.

Sounds like all you know about hardware is "plug & pray".

Have you tried to install any HP products on Win2K?  Notice the definite
lack of drivers.

> I'm a Windows developer, why should I spend 2 years of my life learning
> how to program a new ssytem, that may eventually die anyway ???

COBOL programmers used to say the same things. :P 
 
> I can create a great application using Visual Basic or Visual C++ in a
> matter of few days. I'm not sure if that's posible in Linux. I haven't
> heard about any Visual development envir. for Linux ...

Visual Development?  Hmmmm.. I think Illiad said it best. :)
http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=19990722&mode=
 
> The only way they (companies) can defeat Microsoft is with the help of
> mom - Government. That's the only way they can do it, they can't
> succeed on the merit alone.

You forgot!  SysAdmins who vape NT swerver and install Linux/Unix are
also putting the hurt on M$.

-- 
Since-beer-leekz,
Mikey
Quantum materiae materietur marmota monax si marmota monax materiam
possit materiari?

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Crossposted-To: gnu.misc.discuss
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Stump)
Subject: Re: Star Office to be open sourced
Date: Thu, 3 Aug 2000 23:52:13 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Austin Ziegler  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Nope, because it also has the negative side of "it's not included with
>the system." Because it's not included with the system, and because it
>can't be bought from a large vendor, it can't be supported -- and
>there's no one to lay the blame upon if it does cause failures.

Some companies need killing.  Some companies help us by killing
themselves.

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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,alt.society.liberalism,soc.singles
Subject: Re: one  of Lenin's Useful Idiots denies reality
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:14:24 -0300

Marcus Turner escribió:
> 
> "SemiScholar" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> 
> > And BTW - Microsoft didn't write MS-DOS.
> 
> Eh, Yes they did.  They bought PC-Dos from a Seattle software company but
> they wrote MS-Dos.

Erm, no. They bough QDOS. PC-DOS was MS-DOS with a IBM label.

> Of course, the guy who wrote PC-Dos at the other company was working for MS
> at the time they wrote MS-Dos, so it's easy to get confused...

QDOS became MSDOS the moment it was bought. But yes, the author
later joined MS.

-- 
Roberto Alsina

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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux can save you money on electricity!
Date: 4 Aug 2000 00:07:24 GMT

Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>Say I want to ask you what do you mean by a post like this.  Why should
>>I use MSOffice for this job over vi?
> The rite tool for this would be WordPad. VI is to hard to use.
*Why* is WordPad more right than vi?
By the way, I *am* currently using vi and it isn't hard.

>>Say I want to write a miniature Pascal interpeter for a term project.
>>Why should I use MSOffice for this job over, say, Emacs?
> EMACS are fucked up.
Where's the proof that it is so and it makes Emacs unsuitable for writing
Pascal interpreters?

>>May I ask what's your criteria?  How do you tell a dumb command from a smart
>>one?
> "find / -name sumthing | sed 'sumthing' | sumthing | sumthing" is dum.
> Clicking on FastFind is smart.
If you define it so, there's nothing I can do about it.
Still, may I suggest you might have prejudice about the topic?

>>> UNIX just fales to work. The user has too due al the work.
>>Can you give us an example?
> You half to type "make kernalconfig".
The user?
In what circumstances?

-- 
Andres Soolo   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Women waste men's lives and think they have
indemnified them by a few gracious words.
                -- Balzac

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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun revenues up WHOPPING 42% !!!
Date: 4 Aug 2000 00:03:32 GMT

In comp.os.linux.advocacy Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

:       Back to the main subject, some news stories have considered it odd
: that Sun has been so successful while bucking the trend to
: Microsoftization of the last few years. However, the rise of Linux may be
: a vindication of Sun's strategy; I suspect that Linux is much more 
: helpful to Sun than Windows is, because Linux is much more 
: Solaris-compatible than Windows is. Is that a reasonable assessment?

I think why Sun is being friendly to Linux is that Linux helps build
user's UNIX familiarity.  Linux programmers can become Sun programmers
with little training.  Linux users can become Sun users with little
training.  Having a cheap, widespread UNIX available to people at
home lets big UNIX companies like Sun enjoy some of the benefits of
OS familiarity that Microsoft currently enjoys.  Often people pick
Microsoft solutions simply because of previous familiarity.  Sun wants
to take a little slice of that mindshare for themselves, I think.

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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux can save you money on electricity!
Date: 4 Aug 2000 00:12:43 GMT

Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>>Coming back to the grocery store example, the user might sit at the
>>cash register, smile at the customers and show the food being sold to
>>the barcode reader.  Isn't that work?
> How can the cashere due that if all he due is sit arround edditing UNIX config f
> ial's?
Why should she do *that*?
By the way, I've never *ever* seen a cash register that allows the cashier
to mess with it.  Even the old-fashioned mechanical ones usually have
locked cases.

>>By the way, note that the Customer Service people generally don't do
>>the `work' commonly expected from a computer user.  *They* do maintenance
>>and their work is to help the real users get along with their computers.
> The sysadminns are suppost to do that.
Why should administrators do customer service?
And what should the customer service people do in that case?  Sell
potatos to customers so the potato-sellers could do administration?

>>> It maks users tipe command's.
>>So you want the administrator come and type for the users?
>>I don't think you know what's a secretary do most of the day, do you?
> They don't tipe UNIX commands.
Depends on secretary.  Many don't.  Some do.
Still, no secretary refuses to do something just because it takes a
little typing.  It's been this way since the typewriters went in broad
use.

-- 
Andres Soolo   <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Working with Julie Andrews is like getting hit over the head with
a valentine.
                -- Christopher Plummer

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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian
Subject: Re: Anti-Human Libertarians Oppose Microsoft Antitrust Action (was:      
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:31:40 -0300

"Aaron R. Kulkis" escribió:

> I was purchasing stock at the age of 12 with money I earned
> DELIVERING NEWSPAPERS.

Then why did you have only $100 a month when you were in 
college?

-- 
Roberto Alsina

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Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 10:23:36 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux as embedded OS

You might want to check out FreeBSD then you would not have to be concerned
with disclosing source code.

IanP

Tim Magnussen wrote:

> Hi there.
>
> I'm working for a company making analyzers for the medical industry.
> Currently we are using a mix of CE, 95 and vxWorks for the embedded
> devices. Some of us developers are attracted to the idea of using Linux
> instead though. We have been working on a project in our spare time to
> try this out and have come up with quite a good concept. So we were
> happy for a while ... until we read the GPL thoroughly. Since many parts
> of Linux is GPL and you in an embedded product can't claim that your
> proprietary code is independent of the rest, we would have to release
> the source the proprietary code. This would put us out of business and
> is of course out of the question.
> My question to you that is advocating for Linux' advantages:
>
> I hear of new concepts such as Mobile Linux / EmbedixLinux and other.
> But if one is to release the source of your proprietary code this makes
> Linux totally inappropriate for embedded use. What am I missing here?
>
> I must stress that I represent no authority to decide on the company's
> choice of OS for future analyzers. For those of us interested in this,
> information is very important in our advocating for Linux.
>
> Kind Regards
> Tim Magnussen
> R&D Engineeer


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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, easy to use?
Date: Thu, 03 Aug 2000 21:33:48 -0300

Tim Palmer escribió:
> 
> Ciaran <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
> >>On 2 Aug 2000 16:15:45 -0500, Tim Palmer wrote:
> >>>Slava Pestov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>I don't have to ty[e anything on Linux, either. In fact, I
> >can't
> >>>>remember the last time I ty[ed anything, on any OS.
> >>>
> >>>Lier. You tipe every time you log in.
> >>
> >>No, he doesn't "tipe". He doesn't "ty[e" either. BTW, what is a
> >>"lier" ?
> >
> >lier \Li"er\ (l[imac]"[~e]r), n. [From Lie. ] One who lies down;
> >one who rests or remains, as in concealment.
> >
> >There were liers in ambush against him. --Josh. viii. 14.
> 
> lier \ly-er\ m. a iddiot that tells lies all the time.

Ok, now we all know a lier is a lying iddiot. Please,
please, what's an iddiot?

-- 
Roberto Alsina

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From: ben <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: How Can I contribute?
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:37:30 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
  Tim Palmer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >I am working for a company which already have open sourced device
> >drivers and applications for linux.  We have certain kerna patches
> >and device driver enhancements that we like to contribute to Linux
> >community in general.  Who should we contact?  Thanks for any
> >pointers!
>
> Contact you're butholl.
>
> >
> >
> >Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> >Before you buy.
>
>

well...i use linux @ home and windoze @ work and for games. i think
windows is mostly intolerable and linux rules!!!

but, i had to say that tim's comment, tho rude to a serious request, was
funny as hell!!!!

'contact your butthole' LOL!

oh yeah yeah..im using windoze...cuz im AT WORK

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From: Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:56:33 GMT


> > You need to reference the message so we can all look at the headers to
> > confirm it.  If he is using 98 then he certainly looks foolish :-)
> 
> I run my headers through sed.

A not particularly glib lie.



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From: Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Micro$oft retests TPC benchmark
Date: Fri, 04 Aug 2000 00:58:15 GMT


> 1. I'm a combat veteran.
> 2. I'm still a soldier to this day
> 3. I'm in the infantry
> 4. Fuck with me and I will kill you.

You've got to have a pretty small dick to stoop this low.



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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (abraxas)
Subject: Re: Linux or Windows 2000 ????
Date: 4 Aug 2000 01:02:24 GMT

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have heard a lot of things about Linux.
> 
> I'm running happily W2K and now I'd like to know a valid
> reason for switching from Windows 2000 to Linux? Why?
> What advantage does the person gain running Linux?
> Can some of you qeniuses tell me ???
>

In actuality, no one wants you to run linux.




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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: 
misc.legal,talk.politics.misc,alt.politics.libertarian,talk.politics.libertarian,soc.singles,alt.society.anarchy
Subject: Re: LOREN PETRICH...CLOSET-DICTATOR
Date: 4 Aug 2000 01:07:44 GMT

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael S. Lorrey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:

>> How do you "opt out" of the tax system ?
>Join the Tax Patriots. In the US, the Income Tax, in order to be
>constitutional, had to be made a voluntary tax system. Do the proper
>paperwork, and you don't gotta pay taxes. ...

        Tax evasion, pure and simple.
--
Loren Petrich                           Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED]                      And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html

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