Linux-Advocacy Digest #457, Volume #28 Thu, 17 Aug 00 17:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating ("Drestin Black")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chris Wenham)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Josiah Fizer)
Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary? ("Anthony D. Tribelli")
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE) (Matthias Warkus)
Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you! (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux Presidential Candidates? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux
growth stagnating (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...) (mark)
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From: Nathaniel Jay Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you!
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 14:16:44 -0500
Tim Kelley wrote:
>
> Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>
> > You're happily married? God I feel sorry for your husband. He probably
> > comes home every night to a different personality and a different 'mood'
> > within that personality. Tell me something, how does he feel about your
> > multiple personalities and overall childish behavior?
> >
> > Well, I suppose he never sees it. After all, you wouldn't want anyone
> > you actually 'know' to see this side of you (or these sides of you).
>
> Her husband is only one more of his personalities. Actually,
> steve/claire/heather/keys88 is a guy, so we really have a
> personality recursion loop where Steve is talking though claire
> (his wife) about his husband (steve?).
You know, you're probably right. I would suppose that the kids are all
personality splits too. One thing about it, you would never be lonely.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: "Drestin Black" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: 17 Aug 2000 14:36:02 -0500
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8nfes0$9ck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> You have given a non-denial denial. You challenge my reasons
> for suspecting you of having a financial tie to Microsoft, but
> you don't deny that you have financial ties to Microsoft.
>
> These ties could be anything from preferred treatment within MSDN
> to a contract as a Microsoft Press Agent. Do you deny, without
> qualifications, that you have any financial motives for supporting
> Microsoft?
>
>
I state for the record and without any qualification that I do not have ANY
financial motives for supporting Microsoft. I have NEVER received ANY
preferred treatment within MSDN nor am I a MS Press Agent. I do not and
never have worked for MS. I have never received a single penny from MS for
any reason(except a software rebate once or twice, I think). I do not have
any financial ties to Microsoft.
My company and I uses and resells some MS products and we profit from doing
this. THAT is how I profit from "MS doing well."
Drestin Black
(however, after writing a negative post about a linux distribution, the
distributor never did offer to send me another free copy, so I *could* be
considered to have been influenced by their actions... <grin>)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 19:38:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> to consumers Microsoft is just_another_choice.
Ask twenty consumers at Wal-Mart or Circuit City what other "choice" is
available besides Microsoft.
Curtis
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:03:30 GMT
>>>>> "Josiah" == Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Chris Wenham wrote:
>> I must be missing something, or you are. I thought Everblue was the
>> effort to port the X window toolkit to OS/2's Presentation Manager to
>> make it easier to port X applications and run them seamlessly.
>>
>> Someone could do the same with Windows - making it easier to port X
>> applications and run them without an X server.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Chris Wenham
> If thats all it is there are already several X Window (no s) sytems out for
MSWindows. I
> use Excead and have had no problem porting X applications over to NT/98.
Exceed is an X server.
Everblue is about porting X applications to the native windowing system.
Regards,
Chris Wenham
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 16:03:00 -0400
Drestin Black wrote:
>
> "R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8nfes0$9ck$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> <snip>
>
> > You have given a non-denial denial. You challenge my reasons
> > for suspecting you of having a financial tie to Microsoft, but
> > you don't deny that you have financial ties to Microsoft.
> >
> > These ties could be anything from preferred treatment within MSDN
> > to a contract as a Microsoft Press Agent. Do you deny, without
> > qualifications, that you have any financial motives for supporting
> > Microsoft?
> >
> >
>
> I state for the record and without any qualification that I do not have ANY
> financial motives for supporting Microsoft. I have NEVER received ANY
> preferred treatment within MSDN nor am I a MS Press Agent. I do not and
> never have worked for MS. I have never received a single penny from MS for
> any reason(except a software rebate once or twice, I think). I do not have
> any financial ties to Microsoft.
>
> My company and I uses and resells some MS products and we profit from doing
> this. THAT is how I profit from "MS doing well."
>
> Drestin Black
Why do you HIDE behind a pseudonym, COWARD
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 13:11:34 -0700
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chris Wenham wrote:
> >>>>> "Josiah" == Josiah Fizer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Chris Wenham wrote:
> >> I must be missing something, or you are. I thought Everblue was the
> >> effort to port the X window toolkit to OS/2's Presentation Manager to
> >> make it easier to port X applications and run them seamlessly.
> >>
> >> Someone could do the same with Windows - making it easier to port X
> >> applications and run them without an X server.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Chris Wenham
>
> > If thats all it is there are already several X Window (no s) sytems out for
>MSWindows. I
> > use Excead and have had no problem porting X applications over to NT/98.
>
> Exceed is an X server.
>
> Everblue is about porting X applications to the native windowing system.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Wenham
With the Excead system (inc. Interex) I have a CSH, GCC and the XLibs. I just run Make
and end up
with an application that runs under MSWindows in Excead X-Window. However it sounds
like your
talking about a software adstraction layer that would run applications under MSWindows
transparently.
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From: "Anthony D. Tribelli" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Am I the only one that finds this just a little scary?
Date: 17 Aug 2000 20:23:19 GMT
Perry Pip <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Anthony D. Tribelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>None of those problems have been described, and you merely quote the early
>>speculation.
>
> Redman is not speculating. He is speaking of incidents that had
> already occured in the past. Specifically he says that NT has been
> responsible for numerous software and systems failures.
The early speculation was tying these undescribed incidents to the
incident the article was investigating. You merely show it to be well
meaning, not accurate.
>>The boring thing
>>that would not get press attention would be that the error was not in
>>WinNT but in custom applications written for the Navy by a "no-name"
>>subcontractor.
>
> No the boring thing is showing that NT was not responsible for one
> specific incedent when it was responsible for numerous other
> incidents.
These incidents are not described, we know nothing about them. We don't
know if they are related or even of the same magnitude as the incident the
article discussed.
> The only other boring thing is watching watching a troll on usenet
> blatently deny the truth ...
What truth? You have offered your guesswork based on other people's
guesswork, as well as some pretty one-sided conspiracy theories. You
dismiss the chief engineer on the ship at the time, the software developer
responsible for the error, and the news agency who reported the early
speculation. By the way, "early speculation" was the news agency choice of
words.
> ... If you had any real experience using NT in
> demanding environments you would know what Redman meant when he said
> NT has never been fully refined, and you wouldn't have any trouble at
> all beleiving him.
Again, you reference the early speculations of a (deskbound ?) manager and
ignore the chief engineer on the ship at the time, the software developer
responsible for the error, and the news agency who reported ...
Tony
==================
Tony Tribelli
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest
Date: 17 Aug 2000 20:38:02 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Jim Richardson wrote:
>> Richard, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, wrote:
>> >/Being/ a nice guy is NOT a form of self-interest.
Assuming that you don't define being nice as being a doormat
it most certainly can be. By being nice I have more friends,
This improves my mental and physical health.
I occasionally win arguments and frequently bring them to a
friendly draw with exchange of information by being nice and
not alienating my opponants.
People are nice back to me, providing me with information
and help that I need.
>> Of course it is! if said person isn't a nice guy, then they are
>> miserable, and they'd rather be happy.
>Alright, let's accept that for the moment. The only problem is that
>being miserable just because you're an asshole to people you like is
>not rational.
You expect people to be wholly rational? and I thought you were an
anti-Libertarian...
More seriously:
If you are moving out of an area and come upon somebody whom you like
and desparate for something only you can provide in time, it is in your
monetary self-interest to gouge that person for every penny you can.
That is being an asshole.
If you believe in Christian morality (or any of a number of other
moralities and ethical systems) you will be miserable if you do
that.
>And of course, why don't people just stop liking the
>people which their self-interest dictates they be assholes towards?
Which self-interest?
Long- or short-term monetary, long- or short-term emotional,
long- or short-term physical?
Telling a pest to fuck-off can be produce negative short-term effects
and positive long-term effects.
Losing your temper with a paying client would probably produce the
opposite.
Leaving an abusive spouse can have mixed results in the short term (and,
if you are unlucky, very negative results long term).
[]
>What *is* self-interest? Is it merely what people *think* is in their
>self-interest? Well, obviously not given the schizophrenic example
You are using the example of somebody who by definition can not
think in a straight line to show that thinking is not a useful/valid
tool?
>> genuine philosphers? gee, is there some kinda entrance exam for that club?
>Indeed there is. It's called a PhD.
If I had been taking this seriously before now this would have clued me
in.
>> >1: the projective versus the empathic response if you know
>> > something of psychology
>>
>> Which says nothing on self interest or the lack thereof.
>
>Actually, it says a hell of a lot about it.
>
>If you define "self-interest" as "all human behaviour" then it isn't a
>meaningful concept at all. Self-interest is used to separate nice people
>from evil people;
What about nice evil people?
A friend of mine considered that to apply to Ronald Reagan.
How about Carnegie? I assume you would have thought him evil during his
empire building days, did he become nice in his old age?
>trying to argue that the two groups are actually one
>and the same is sophistry and pissant intellectualism.
Disputes between carbon-encrusted cookware come to mind.
Robert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: OS advertising in the movies... (was Re: Microsoft MCSE)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:19:46 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 17 Aug 2000 03:05:09 GMT...
...and fred <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Aug 2000 09:20:47 -0700, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Maybe for them that *was* advanced technology. After all, those who make
> >the Television programs of Hercules and Xenia can't keep the program
> >accurate or even cllose to the history or mythology to the period they are
> >supposed to be covering.
>
> What kind of dork would even argue about the historical inaccuracy of
> Xena and Hercules?
What kind of dork would even *watch* shows such as:
- Buffy, Vampire Slayer
- Hercules
- Pensacola - Wings of Gold
- Sabrina
- Sindbad
- Tell
- Thunder in Paradise
- Xena
- (to be continued)
I can safely say that this is some of the worst garbage running on
German TV. I've sampled all of those shows by watching half an episode
or maybe an entire one.
I can't imagine anything that would bore me sufficiently to watch
several episodes.
mawa
--
[...] Define two derived classes called man and woman that define
gender specific items. Write pure virtual functions in the base class
for operations that are common to both sexes yet are handled in
different ways by each of them. --Oualline, Practical C++ Programming
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: I'm out of here. Best wishes to all of you!
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 15:35:29 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Thu, 17 Aug 2000 01:27:12 GMT...
...and [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> moldy_oldie and if you like jazz I have about 1000 tunes up for grabs,
> at least until the feds close Napster down. Give me a yell
Check the irony: Someone goes around calling other people geeks and
nerds, emphasising their own "normality", and then they're sharing a
four-digit number of MP3s on Napster.
ROTFL
mawa
--
LASS MAL STECKEN
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Linux Presidential Candidates?
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 17:14:28 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the 16 Aug 2000 22:02:35 -0600...
...and Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> -=Republican=-
> www.bush2000.com is running Microsoft-IIS/5.0 (proxy in use, no OS guess)
>
> -=Democrat=-
> www.algore2000.com is running Apache/1.3.12 (Unix) PHP/4.0.1pl2
> secured_by_Raven/1.5.1 on Linux
For those people who are unfortunate enough to live in the USA,
another reason not to vote Republican. -- I wish Nader would get
elected, but of course that's completely unrealistic, so the best
thing you all can do is choose the minor catastrophe over the major
disaster and vote Gore.
mawa
--
When you look at yourself in an aberrational mirror, you see your real
self, looking back at the twisted you.
-- Dr. (?) Bob Miller, "The Aberrational View of the Universe",
Twisted Science, Heat, National Public Radio
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says
Linux growth stagnating
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:42:18 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Long ago, Drestin Black <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following:
>I state for the record and without any qualification that I do not have ANY
>financial motives for supporting Microsoft.
[snip]
>My company and I uses and resells some MS products and we profit from doing
>this. THAT is how I profit from "MS doing well."
Find the contradiction?
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Decent Linux CDR software wanted.
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 20:42:56 GMT
In article <8nh7v8$8nkrs$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> them unsuitable for my intended purposes. Neither of them have
percentage
> bars to show how far the image creation and writing operations have
> completed so far.
Well this is not true.
> gtoaster cannot make images without copying all files to a
> local directory
This is not true either.
Gnometoaster doesn't make copies of files it just symlinks them
(and this will also be replaces by some in-memory structure in the near
future).
And you can disable on the fly writing of iso filesystems in the
preferences.
>and kisofs makes it difficult to delete individual
> maintainers of current software could at least make a note of my
criticism
> of their products and use this to improve things in future versions
and
> until then I will keep my home machine dualboot with windblows used
for CD
> writing and linux for normal use.
I will gladly make a "notice" about your criticism but you will have to
explain your problems a bit further cause as far as I know none of the
things you're stating here about Gnometoaster (which I'm the author of)
seem to be true.
I'll gladly try to help you if I can, so please describe your problems
or rather the feature you want to be implemented more accurately and
I'll see what I can do.
Andy
>
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To:
comp.infosystems.gis,comp.infosystems.www.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,gnu.misc.discuss
Subject: Re: being a nice guy is not self-interest
Date: 17 Aug 2000 20:59:16 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>Perry Pip wrote:
>I said that all LARGE BUSINESSES and most small ones
>are psychopaths. And this is obvious from observation.
>> >> I inhabit a reality where self interest, the interest of others,
>> >> rationality and morality need not necessarily be in conflict with one
>> >> another.
>> >
>> >A common delusion.
>>
>> Most psychologists I have met share that "delusion".
>That's typical of your line of arguments; psychology has NOTHING to
>do with self-interest, interest of others, rationality OR morality!
Psychology:
1) The science of mind and behaviour.
2) The mental and behavioural characteristics of an individual or group.
I did a search on psychology and self-interest at Northernlight
and found a hell of a lot of PhD Psychologists who consider self-interest
to be of interest to their field of study.
>The closest that psychology has to do with rationality is that it
>*uses* rationality as an ideal; psychology has no say in what is and
>isn't rational. It's PHILOSOPHY that defines *ALL* of those things!
Whether or not they define those terms is irrelevant to whether
psychologists have useful things to say about them.
>And *NO* philosopher I've met has thought that there is a large
>overlap between any of these things.
How many philosophers you met? How many have discussed this topic
in your presence? What year in school are you?
Robert
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...)
Date: Thu, 17 Aug 2000 21:52:40 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>Bob Hauck wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:11:05 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >In other words, Dad was right when he said, "These are the best days of
>> >your life."
>>
>> Oh, no, he wasn't. Or at least, he doesn't have to be. I'm going to
>> be 40 soon and wouldn't trade my life now for my life at 20. I'm much
>> happier with my life, have a lot more money, and even feel better
>> physically now compared with then (no more partying plus a good workout
>> regimen made a huge difference in that last).
>>
>> Given that, I can stand not being up-to-date with "popular culture".
>
>Actually, mentally and financially I am much, much better off now than I
>was at 20 (and that's only six years for me :-). But physically?
>Yuck! At twenty I was working on a dairy/beef/crop farm and busting my
>ass day in and day out. I would love to do that for a month a take off
>a few of the pounds I've put on in the interim. I don't do well with
>pointless exercise. But I would love to have something to 'do' that
>made me exercise. I suppose when I get a nice house with an unfinished
>basement I can 'exercise' by building the rooms I want. At least that
>gives me something to look forward to in the physical fitness area.
>
I find that trying to round up my sheep on my own is pretty good...
I'm 36 now, although I've never been especially interested in 'pop' culture.
I do not, and have never, felt moved to do what marketing men tell me to,
indeed, I tend to feel I should be out there explaining to the rest of the
world that they don't have to either. Probably why I'm here dealing with
msoft's droids...
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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