Linux-Advocacy Digest #616, Volume #28 Thu, 24 Aug 00 13:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Jack Troughton)
Re: refrigerator using Linux? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("Christopher Smith")
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic
Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating)
("sandrews")
Re: Switch to NT? (Tom)
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Craig Kelley)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Craig
Kelley)
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. (Roberto
Alsina)
Re: Anti-Linux/Pro-Microsoft Propaganda Campaign In Usenet (was: COMNA's favorite
conspiracy theorist rides again... (mark)
Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...) (mark)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
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From: Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:42:47 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:15:38 GMT, ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad
> >> Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [deletia]
> >> A month or so later, I walked in when our secretary was discussing
> >> women's health care with her. She had spent some time in England, and
> >> she complained about how some man high-up in the bureacracy set the
> >> rules on how often the government-supported health plan would let a
> >> woman get some basic exams. It was much less often than the medical
> >> community considers adequate, and she spouted off about the evils of
> >> government-directed health plans where men make ill-informed decisions
> >> about women's health.
> >
> >Yeah, that's much worse than private health plans where men make very
> >well informed decisions about corporate profits, with little regard for
> >anyone's health.
>
> However, there remains at least the theoretical possibility
> to sue a corporation. No such alternative exists for the
> governemnt. Corporations, as large as they are, are simply
> easier to bully into behaiving reasonably.
Huh? You mean you _can't_ sue the government in the US? Man, that's
weird...
> [deletia]
>
> There also exists the small chance that you can simply replace
> one private provider with a more suitable one.
Small... kinda like finding the holy grail, huh?;)
Jack
Montreal PQ
CANADA
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: refrigerator using Linux?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:56:30 -0400
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > So does answering trolls who like to spread lies about me.
>
> If they're trolls, why do you bother answering at all?
Because failure to counter a lie gets interpreted as an admission
that the accusation is true.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:57:29 -0400
sandrews wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roberto Alsina
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have more sides than the average icosahedron. So do you, probably.
> >
>
> What`s a icosahedron ???
a 12(?) vertex regular solid.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:07:24 -0400
"Andre Ervin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > >
> > > > You mean Bush wants to give people their money back instead of
> > > > spending it for them!? How absurd!
> > >
> > > Bush wants to make the rich richer instead of helping the poor stay
> > > healthy and educated.
> >
> > That's SOOOO OLD. Nothing is that simple. It's more of a 50 year old
> > democratic slogan than anything. Not even worthy of argument except to
say
> > 95% of the poor are in that situation by choice, it's the five out of
100
> > poor that need a hand.
>
> Proof? For that matter, how many truly poor people do you know?
I've met a lot of truly poor people in my life, and myself have been pleny
broke and hungry. I never blamed anyone - especially "the rich" for my
problems though, I blamed myself.
If you are a poor adult, it is most generaly it is your own fault. I was
broke and jobless in 1980 and figuring out who to blame when President Regan
held up page after page of the help wanted ads on national television in
response to a question on why so many people were out of work. And he was
right.
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From: "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:43:47 +1000
"Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
> >
> > "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Christopher Smith wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Christopher Smith wrote:
> > > > *sigh*
> > > >
> > > > I meant compelling alternatives for the majority. Obviously if
you're
> > > > involved in something like DTP then, say, MacOS has been a
compelling
> > > > alternative for years (indeed, it would be the paltform for which
there
> > > > haven't been any compelling alternatives).
> > >
> > > Well now I ask you to indulge me once more and consider which
"majority",
> > > keeping in mind the multitude of corporate users, etc., and not just
> > > implicitly limiting your scope to the home user crowd.
> >
> > The majority that has, thus far, determined Windows to be its platform
of
> > choice.
>
> So, reapplying this context to your original statement, you have just
> said that there haven't been any compelling alternatives to Windows for
> the majority of users that have determined that Windows is their
> platform of choice. That's about as insightful as saying X=X.
Not at all. Reapplying that context to my original statement, I've simply
said that for the majority, who have _thus far_ chosen Windows, there has
not been a compelling alternative.
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From: "sandrews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:26:50 -0500
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> sandrews wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roberto Alsina
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > I have more sides than the average icosahedron. So do you, probably.
>> >
>>
>> What`s a icosahedron ???
>
> a 12(?) vertex regular solid.
Say What?! layman english please
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From: Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Switch to NT?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:34:18 GMT
Is StarOffice still hideous?
I mean........last time I looked at it, it was a hideous re-incarnation
of the Microsoft Windows desktop.
Is it still like that?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:37:50 -0400
sandrews wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > sandrews wrote:
> >>
> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roberto Alsina
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have more sides than the average icosahedron. So do you, probably.
> >> >
> >>
> >> What`s a icosahedron ???
> >
> > a 12(?) vertex regular solid.
>
> Say What?! layman english please
Go get a book on solid geometry.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Aug 2000 10:43:56 -0600
James Helferty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> mlw wrote:
>
> > This who[le] XML hysteria worries me. We have people thinking that it is
> > something other than a very inefficient text based file format. Example:
> >
> > <?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
> > <!DOCTYPE RESULTSET SYSTEM "http://fubar.com/fubar.dtd">
> > <RESULTSET>
> > <RESULT ID="0" >
> > <MATCHES>0</MATCHES>
> > <TIME>0.1605</TIME>
> > <RATINGS>0</RATINGS>
> > <MAXSCORE>2510</MAXSCORE>
> > <SCORE>6947</SCORE>
> > <SIZE>6536</SIZE>
> > <LANGUAGE>_LANG1_</LANGUAGE>
> > <DATE>957148708</DATE>
> > <FORMAT>0</FORMAT>
> > <MODDATE>0</MODDATE>
> > </RESULT>
> > </RESULTSET>
> >
> > That's all that XML is, nothing more. It can not replace programs, it is
> > not a new concept in operating systems.
>
> [nod] It's good for storing databases as text, which means it makes
> sense to integrate it with HTML. But if you start using it for other
> things, it becomes kinda.. fruity..
Take a look at MacOS X Bundles:
http://developer.apple.com/techpubs/corefoundation/BundleServices/CFBundleServices/index.html
It use XML the way it should be used (as an architecture-agnostic
manner of storing a small ammount of information) and literally makes
installing applications as easy as dragging them to wherever you want
to put them. I hope these people aren't trying to do something more
complicated than this, as this is the utopia of application
installation (IMHO). You can drag a bundle to wherever you want to
place it (hard disk, network, removable media, ram disk, whatever) and
it will always work; even adding it's shared libraries to the search
path. A bundle can hold binaries and source for a number of
architectures. It also contains meta information about itself in a
standardized manner, which allows automation of program registration
and network updates.
Linux is halfway there already with RPM and deb; but the ultimate goal
is to just get rid of them.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Aug 2000 10:52:49 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (david raoul derbes) writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> A fair number of pretty wealthy Americans pay *no tax whatsoever* in this
> >> country. There are all manner of tax shelters and dodges that wealthy
> >> people can avail themselves of, ...
> >
> >You make it sound so easy.
> >
> >If you truly understand this to be true, you can describe,
> >in simple English, the simple accounting to make this happen.
>
> I believe that a little research will reveal those lucky Americans who
> have a net wealth of several tens of millions who paid no tax, none,
> last year. How they did it I don't know; I am neither an accountant
> nor an attorney. People who are in a position to know (Cokie Roberts
> on ABC's "Sunday Morning" and Nina Totenberg on NPR) have said over
> the years that there are such people (not a hell of a lot, under
> a thousand), and I believe them.
>
> Try Nader's web site, or Google.
Regardless, 5% of Americans paid 50% of the taxes last year and 60% of
Americans paid 10% of the taxes.
The very rich who pay no taxes are a rarity (although they should be
dealt with).
How about an honest, progressive income tax and *nothing else* (no
property tax, no sales tax, no highway tax, no "sin" tax, etc.); then
the government would have to show how much we *really* pay in taxes
and it would be a lot more fair for lower-income people (who pay the
same sales tax as the ultra-rich).
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:01:16 -0300
sandrews escribió:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roberto Alsina
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > I have more sides than the average icosahedron. So do you, probably.
> >
>
> What`s a icosahedron ???
It's supposed to be a many-sided regular solid, but I probably
misspelled it. It's icosaedro in spanish, if it helps you.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:56:45 GMT
On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:05:51 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>>
>> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>> [...]
>> >Neither are they required to pay TT (not Qt) a licensing fee now in
>> >order to benefit from Linux. Max, you have no idea of what you are
>> >talking about (again).
>>
>> And you, Roberto, are still trying to avoid correcting the matter. Are
>> you so incapable of grasping abstractions that you cannot substitute
>> "QT" for "the commercial entity responsible for QT"?
>
>Are you so incapable of dealing wuith reality that you can't see a
>company and a product are not the same thing, and keep on using
>the wrong one?
I'm sorry but you've failed this sitting of the Turing Test.
Please try again. But remember, you can only reschedule the
test after 30 days and you can only take the test 3 times
in any 12 month period.
[deletia]
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
|||
/ | \
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 14:07:20 -0300
[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 12:05:51 -0300, Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >>
> >> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >> [...]
> >> >Neither are they required to pay TT (not Qt) a licensing fee now in
> >> >order to benefit from Linux. Max, you have no idea of what you are
> >> >talking about (again).
> >>
> >> And you, Roberto, are still trying to avoid correcting the matter. Are
> >> you so incapable of grasping abstractions that you cannot substitute
> >> "QT" for "the commercial entity responsible for QT"?
> >
> >Are you so incapable of dealing wuith reality that you can't see a
> >company and a product are not the same thing, and keep on using
> >the wrong one?
>
> I'm sorry but you've failed this sitting of the Turing Test.
>
> Please try again. But remember, you can only reschedule the
> test after 30 days and you can only take the test 3 times
> in any 12 month period.
Such a stupid attempt at flame can only come from you, I guess.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anti-Linux/Pro-Microsoft Propaganda Campaign In Usenet (was: COMNA's
favorite conspiracy theorist rides again...
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:36:13 +0100
In article <8nnuah$pse$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christopher Smith wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <8nmmh1$r4f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Christopher Smith wrote:
>> >
>> >"Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:8nmkhh$qmc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <8nmcnj$hhu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >"Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >news:8nlu21$gud$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >> In article <8nk4id$s5e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >> >> Christopher Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> >> >"Mark S. Bilk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> >> >news:8nk3t3$e03$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> The point is that Funkenbusch has devoted a lot of energy
>> >> >> >> in the last six months to justifying and excusing Microsoft's
>> >> >> >> DR-DOS-killer message, and some of its other deceptive and
>> >> >> >> coercive acts.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >There wasn't a "killer message". There was a *non-fatal error
>> >message*
>> >> >in
>> >> >> >the _beta_ displayed when non-MS versions of DOS were being run.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> That error message is colloquially known as the
>> >> >> "DR-DOS Killer" because it was designed to kill
>> >> >> *sales* of DR-DOS.
>> >> >
>> >> >Yeah, I can see how a message in a beta only a minority of customers
>> >would
>> >> >have access to would have an enormous impact on sales.
>> >>
>> >> The existence of the message was reported widely in the
>> >> popular computer press, as Microsoft knew it would be.
>> >
>> >Then blame the press for inaccurate reporting.
>> >
>> >> >DRDOS had enough incompatibilities on its own.
>> >>
>> >> None that prevented it from running Windows.
>> >
>> >Hindsight is always 20/20.
>> >It could have, which was the point - it is not Microsoft's responsibility
>to
>> >test or fix other people's software. Plus, given those problems it
>already
>> >did have and Windows' intimate manipulations of DOS a _warning_ about
>non-MS
>> >DOSes was hardly surprising.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>> I was a DRDOS user and was told by my own IS department at the time that
>> I would 'have to' use MSDOS since DRDOS was not 'compatible with windows'.
>> I recall that the guy had a slightly smug smile at the time - he'd never
>> really approved of my DRDOS massively outperforming his MSDOS.
>
>Then blame your stupid IS department. I was a DRDOS user as well, and it
>worked fine given a couple of bugfixes.
Why? For falling for Microsoft's own publicity? For falling for
the misleading message deliberately inserted by Microsoft into Windows
to state that DRDOS would not work with Windows?
Can you tell me exactly what they did wrong? (other than believe
Microsoft).
>
>> DRDOS disappeared from my office over the following couple of months, I
>> recall nobody actually questioned the wisdom of the IS guys (me included)
>>
>> I'm still very p*ssed off about it. I don't like being stung by anyone,
>> particularly is such an underhand way, and certainly haven't trusted
>> microsoft in any way since at all. Nothing Microsoft have done since
>> that appalling act has served to improve its credibility in my eyes. I
>> find the beer adverts on television more convincing than Microsoft.
>
>For your dumb IS department ?
What?
>
>
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Popular Culture (was: It's official...)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 06:49:04 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>Long ago, mark <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> uttered the following:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nathaniel Jay Lee wrote:
>>>Bob Hauck wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, 16 Aug 2000 14:11:05 -0500, Nathaniel Jay Lee
>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> >In other words, Dad was right when he said, "These are the best days of
>>>> >your life."
>>>>
>>>> Oh, no, he wasn't. Or at least, he doesn't have to be. I'm going to
>>>> be 40 soon and wouldn't trade my life now for my life at 20. I'm much
>>>> happier with my life, have a lot more money, and even feel better
>>>> physically now compared with then (no more partying plus a good workout
>>>> regimen made a huge difference in that last).
>>>>
>>>> Given that, I can stand not being up-to-date with "popular culture".
>>>
>>>Actually, mentally and financially I am much, much better off now than I
>>>was at 20 (and that's only six years for me :-). But physically?
>>>Yuck! At twenty I was working on a dairy/beef/crop farm and busting my
>>>ass day in and day out. I would love to do that for a month a take off
>>>a few of the pounds I've put on in the interim. I don't do well with
>>>pointless exercise. But I would love to have something to 'do' that
>>>made me exercise. I suppose when I get a nice house with an unfinished
>>>basement I can 'exercise' by building the rooms I want. At least that
>>>gives me something to look forward to in the physical fitness area.
>>>
>>I find that trying to round up my sheep on my own is pretty good...
>>
>>I'm 36 now, although I've never been especially interested in 'pop' culture.
>>I do not, and have never, felt moved to do what marketing men tell me to,
>>indeed, I tend to feel I should be out there explaining to the rest of the
>>world that they don't have to either. Probably why I'm here dealing with
>>msoft's droids...
>
>Sounds like you and I would get along well in that respect. I never
>fit into any 'demographic' growing up. I listened to heavy metal, but
>didn't fit with the metal-heads 'cause I was too 'geeky', didn't fit
>with the geeks 'cause I played guitar, didn't fit with the people that
>played guitar 'cause I didn't smoke or drug myself up, didn't fit with
>the . . . .
>
Interesting - all much the same - except I play the piano not the
guitar :) (I was a major Queen fan).
>I guess that's one of the reasons I levitated into the Linux/BSD/*nix
>arena so easily. It wasn't unusual for me to think of things a little
>differently from the 'norm'. It just fit me.
>
I've found over the years it's largely advantageous to be able to see
things from a different/self-formed viewpoint. Helps in all sorts of
ways.
--
Mark - remove any ham to reply.
"A compiler is a program that takes the pseudo-English gibberish produced
by a programmer and turns it into the sort of binary gibberish understood
by a computer." Linux for the uninitiated ... by Paul Heinlein
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 17:01:48 GMT
On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:27:08 -0400, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 01:02:14 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
[deletia]
>
>Your description above, that TT wants to charge "proprietary" vendors a
>fee, but not free software authors, seems to place them on firm ethical
>grounds, to be honest. After all, those who claim that free software is
>"less free" in some respects for developers than other licenses (such as
>the Artistic licenses) do have a point. The viral nature of the GPL
>does *not* directly encourage even free software production, and
>discourages profit (thus, in turn, potentially discouraging the
Libraries are typically not licenced such.
Otherwise, there could be NO proprietary software for Linux.
[deletia]
Libraries are typically licenced LGPL (KDE and GNOME included) such
that the libraries are freely exploitable by all. They just must
remain open to all such that if you change them your changes must be
made public.
This means that Sun can use gtk for gratis just as well as Redhat or
you can. This is likely the root of their decision to go with GNOME
rather than KDE for future Unix desktops.
They don't have to worry about being dependent on another OSF or Troll.
This sort of benefit/motivation is not merely limited to end user
licence zealots. It's useful for corporations as well. Thus, LGPLed
and BSDLed work finds itself embedded in a great number of
proprietatary products.
--
Finding an alternative should not be like seeking out the holy grail.
That is the whole damn point of capitalism.
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