Linux-Advocacy Digest #616, Volume #29 Thu, 12 Oct 00 11:13:07 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("D'Arcy Smith")
Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("JS/PL")
Re: What I would like to see in an OS: (Tim Kelley)
Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes) (Marty)
Re: Linux Sucks ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: David T. Johnson lies again (Marty)
Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It.... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: David T. Johnson lies again (chrisv)
Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: programming languages and design (Donal K. Fellows)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: The Power of the Future! (Chris Wenham)
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From: "D'Arcy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:46:10 GMT
"Paul 'Z' Ewande©" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8s44kg$ahk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Let me get that straight to see if I understood you correctly.
I have absolutly no idea if MS did any of that or not... but your logic
is faulty:
> - MS uses undocumented functions to trump competitors.
> - Smart competitors don't use those undocumented functions.
> - Not So Smart ones do.
- MS changes their code to not use the undocumented functions
or to cope with the changes to undocumented functions.
> - MS gets rid of said undocumented functions.
> - Not So Smart developers apps break.
> - MS apps magically _still_ work.
No... MS apps still work because they knew in advance to stop using the
function, or that the behaviour had changed, or whatever.
Now of course that would mean that older MS software couldn't run
on newer versions of the OS (assuming it used those changed/removed
undocumented functions). I have no idea id that is true.
..darcy
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: End-User Alternative to Windows
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:46:44 GMT
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 04:27:23 -0600, David Fulton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
...
>conducted with an entirely different philosophy than Windows. Also, Windows
>95/98 and, yes, Me are still running on top of a real mode MS-DOS, no matter
>how much MS may try to say that they are OSes, they are not, the DOS
>underneath is the OS with a protected mode 32bit GUI on top of it. I will
Not quite. DOS has never been an operating system; it is just a program loader
and file system.
Calling DOS an OS because it loads first is like calling lilo an operating
system.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 09:48:03 -0400
"Timberwoof" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Walter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Edwin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Bob Germer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:39cad71c$1$obot$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > On 09/21/2000 at 05:52 PM,
> > > > > Peter Ammon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > > > >
> > > > > > The point is that Apple is widely associated with a lifestyle
> > > > > > and mindset. Packard Bell is not.
> > > > >
> > > > > Just for grins and giggles, I had one of our high school
> > > > > computer teachers ask 11th graders what they though of when
> > > > > they heard the word, "Apple". Only 6 of 87 said computers.
> > > >
> > > > Those six were promptly beaten up by their other 81 classmates.
> > > > ;)
> > >
> > > How many people would associate "sun" with computers? Yet, Sun
> > > Microsystems is one of the most successful computer companies in
> > > the world with hightst (I think still has) share of the Unix
> > > market.
> >
> > I asked my 112 year old grandpa what he thought of Sun and he
> > responded "Oh you must mean Sun, one of the most successfull
> > computer companies on earth. I then said "What about Apple?" He said
> > "whaa".
>
> That sounds preposterous. Do you have a reference to back up that claim?
>
> }: )
I've posted the links many times.
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From: Tim Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What I would like to see in an OS:
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 08:51:00 -0500
Gardiner Family wrote:
>
> I am no win advocate or Linux advocate, however, if I were to design an
> OS these are some of the features:
>
> 1. Linux Kernel
> 2. Standardised GUI, either, MacOS or Windows like interface
> 3. Simplified Library structure similar to what Amiga had (ie,
> icons.library, fonts.library, printers.library)
> 4. ReiserFS as the file system
> 5. A windows interpreter, when a program makes a call it goes through a
> filter (like wine) and matchs the windows dll call with the UNIX
> equivilant.
gee, sounds like most linux distributions will be by jan 2001.
--
Tim Kelley
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Off-topic Idiots (Was Bush v. Gore on taxes)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 13:59:34 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> David T. Johnson wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Marty wrote:
>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> [repetitive comments snipped]
>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Sorry David, you lose.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Stop being a hypocrite and grow up.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> Practice what you preach, Marty.
>
> >>>>>>>>> I wasn't the one preaching about off-topic posting while writing such
> >>>>>>>>> postings.
>
> >>>>>>>> You were the one preaching about "stop being a hypocrite and grow up",
> >>>>>>>> Marty.
>
> >>>>>>> Very good, Dave.
>
> >>>>>> So why did you bring up "off-topic posting", Marty?
>
> >>>>> Just staying on topic. Look at the thread topic.
>
> >>>> I'm looking at what you wrote, Marty.
>
> >>> Of what relevance is this self-evident remark?
>
> >> It shows that you brought up "off-topic posting", Marty,
>
> > Irrelevant, as doing so was an act of staying on topic.
>
> Exactly how does that statement represent an act of staying on topic,
See the subject line.
> when the topic was about you practicing what you were preaching with
> regard to "Stop being a hypocrite and grow up", Marty?
Incorrect. See the subject line.
> >> despite the fact that I was suggesting that you practice what you
> >> preach.
>
> > You made no such suggestion, Dave.
>
> Incorrect:
>
> DT] Practice what you preach, Marty.
That's not a suggestion, Dave.
> Still suffering from reading comprehension problems, Marty?
Not at all.
> >> Context, Marty.
>
> > Like the thread topic, for example?
>
> Are you able to comprehend that?
Obviously.
> You certainly didn't comprehend that I wrote:
>
> DT] Practice what you preach, Marty.
Incorrect. You simply failed to realize that it was not a suggestion.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux Sucks
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:10:40 GMT
I never said any of it was a MS invention. Winamp certainly isn't. I
am saying that Linux movement is cloning interface,applications etc
all in an effort to compete with Windows. Sure there are WM's and cli
applications that don't look anything like Windows (Wmaker or some of
the cli players) but it is obvious where Linux is going and who they
want to take market share from.
claire
On 12 Oct 2000 01:12:47 GMT, Steve Mading
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>: I'm an old CDE person so I know all about title bars :)
>
>: CDE (under aix) never had a Winamp clone.
>
>CDE predates MP3's, so of course it didn't have such a clone.
>This has nothing to do with whether or not it was trying to
>"copy" MS as compared with Gnome and KDE.
>
>: A dial-up networking clone like Gnome/kde does.
>: And so forth.
>
>Oh, puh-lease. PPP is not a Microsoft invention, nor is the
>idea that maybe you could put a GUI configuration tool in
>place to set it up. Next you'll be crediting MS with
>the creation of the ergonomic split keyboard, based on the
>fact that they happen to have one on the market.
>
>Are you going to give MS exclusive credit for every single
>technology that they happen to have an instance of, regardless
>of whether others had the idea too? Seems so. Might as
>well give them credit for inventing the web browser.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:12:56 GMT
I don't think I played that one. I had Missle Command though.
claire
On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 11:36:04 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I used to play Stargate on Atari console :)
>>
>> Damm I feel old :)
>
>Did you ever play `Thrust'? That was a really cool game too. I spent
>*far* too long playing it.
>
>-Ed
>
>
>
>
>> claire
>>
>> On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 01:22:10 +0100, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >> (I have something even older -- a Stargate clone that runs on CGA,
>> >> off a floppy that has to be booted into, Last time I tried to run *that*,
>> >> it ran, but so ridiculously fast one can't see anything. :-) )
>> >
>> >You obviously have bad taste in old games :-)
>> >If you were playing, say, Alley Cat, for instance (a good game,
>> >naturally), you would have found that not only was it a good game, but
>> >it was also well written (except that quit leaves you in CGA mode
>> >heigh-ho.) - it works at the right speed on a P133.
>> >
>> >Now I have to get hold of a copy of digger from the old IBMs too, coz
>> >that was a good game too...
>> >
>> >
>> >-Ed
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: David T. Johnson lies again
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:09:39 GMT
"David T. Johnson" wrote:
>
> You claim that my statement that I have not harassed and denigrated OS/2
> developers is a lie.
And I explained why.
> You maintain that you are an OS/2 developer.
Because I am. Having trouble accepting an established fact? Not surprising,
I suppose.
> I have never harassed and denigrated 'OS/2 developers' or anyone else
> and your claim is disgusting.
On what basis do you make this claim? I already explained my reasoning, which
you have failed to debunk.
> Apologize or face the consequences.
Do you utilize the same (to quote Joe Malloy) "mythical and ineffective
lawyer" as Tholen? It's interesting how you can launch 2 threads targetted at
attacking individuals (Kulkis and Wenham), and yet feel completely justified
in playing the victim. That hearkens back to what I was saying about your
hypocrisy.
> Marty wrote:
> >
> > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > >
> > > Marty wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "David T. Johnson" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > >> Your post is off-topic for COOA. Read the newsgroup
> > > > > > > > >> charter you worthless and clueless poor excuse for an
> > > > > > > > >> alleged "OS/2 Advocate" (whose primary mission appears
> > > > > > > > >> to be to harrass and denigrate remaining, active OS/2
> > > > > > > > >> developers. Are you working for Microsoft?)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >I have never harassed and denigrated OS/2 developers.
> > > > > > > > >Please delete this post or face the consequences.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Brad Wardell is an OS/2 developer. Marty Amodeo is an OS/2
> > > > > > > > developer.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Assuming for argument sake that they are active OS/2 developers,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No need to assume in one case.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have not harassed and denigrated them.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ha·rass (hrs, h-rs)
> > > > > > v. tr. ha·rassed, ha·rass·ing, ha·rass·es.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.To irritate or torment persistently.
> > > > > > 2.To wear out; exhaust.
> > > > > > 3.To impede and exhaust (an enemy) by repeated attacks or raids.
> > > > >
> > > > > You initiated a series of "flame" posts, Marty, with attacks on me
> > > > > that have continued to escalate. Are you now claiming that I am
> > > > > harassing you, Marty?
> > > >
> > > > Here's what I'm claiming, since you missed it the first time:
> > > >
> > > > DTJ] I have never harassed and denigrated OS/2 developers.
> > > >
> > > > This statement is a lie.
> > >
> > > I will not allow you or Glatt to make the completely false claim that
> > > I have undertaken a campaign of harassment and denigration against
> > > OS/2 developers.
> >
> > My claim is above. Here it is again:
> > DTJ] I have never harassed and denigrated OS/2 developers.
> > This statement is a lie.
> >
> > Your interpretation of my claim is not at all equivalent to my claim.
> >
> > > > And here's the proof:
> >
> > [see end of article]
> >
> > > Your proof establishes that I have made personal comments to you in
> > > Usenet newsgroups.
> >
> > Wrong. It matches up your statements with the appropriate definitions of
> > "denigrate" and "harass".
> >
> > > It does not establish that I have harassed and denigrated you
> >
> > It establishes precisely that.
> >
> > > or OS/2 developers.
> >
> > Psst... I am an OS/2 developer.
> >
> > > You have avoided my question.
> >
> > On the contrary, I have directly addressed it.
> >
> > > I did not ask you if you are claiming that I am a liar.
> >
> > Nonetheless, I reserve the right to point out your lies as they occur.
> >
> > > I asked you if you are claiming that I have harassed you.
> >
> > And I answered the question directly with evidence.
> >
> > > Glatt has accused me of undertaking a campaign of denigration and
> > > harassment of OS/2 developers. This is a serious accusation.
> >
> > What Glatt has accused you of is irrelevant.
> >
> > > Are you joining him in this accusation?
> >
> > Please reread my claim and comprehend it this time.
> >
> > > As for your post, frankly I don't see how you can post this stuff and
> > > look at yourself in the mirror.
> >
> > How ironic.
> >
> > > You have repeatedly attacked me over the last week
> >
> > What I did or did not do has no effect on the truth value of the statement
> > which I am questioning. Your statement is a lie, whether I went bowling,
> > built a pyramid, or made funny faces at you all day.
> >
> > > because you did not like the comments I posted on 1)
> > > Wenham's pattern of posting, 2) The ugly thread falsely suggesting Dr.
> > > Tholen was insane, and 3)the hundreds of off-topic posts being made in
> > > COOA. You disagreed with my opinions on these three topics and you
> > > began making a series of posts consisting of name-calling, insults, and
> > > various personal attacks.
> >
> > More evidence of your reading comprehension problems. I didn't care one iota
> > about the content of what you posted other than its inherent hypocrisy. I've
> > stated so on at least 4 occassions.
> >
> > > If you are joining Glatt in his accusation that I have harassed and
> > > denigrated OS/2 developers,
> >
> > Please reread my claim again and comprehend it this time.
> >
> > > you had better have something better than your definition from a
> > > dictionary and the quotes you reference below.
> >
> > Why? They are all that I need to show that your statement was a lie.
> >
> > > If you are not joining him, you should state so clearly and
> > > unequivocally here and now, because, without a statement to the
> > > contrary, your two posts here suggest otherwise.
> >
> > Only to those with poor reading comprehension skills, such as yourself.
> >
> > > > > > den·i·grate (dn-grt)
> > > > > > v. tr. den·i·grat·ed, den·i·grat·ing, den·i·grates.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 1.To attack the character or reputation of; speak ill of; defame.
> > > > > > 2.To disparage; belittle: The critics have denigrated our efforts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] I have only called you a 'liar' and a 'hypocrite.'
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] perhaps you need to reevaluate your surroundings since you fail to
> > > > > > impress me as being extraordinarily bright, yourself.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > > > > Harass: 1,3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] H-y-p-o-c-r-i-t-e.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] I doubt that your typical comments can be "dumbed" down any further.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > > > > Harass: 1,3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] As for the substance of your comment, it appears to be as garbled
> > > > > > and confused as Marty's.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > > > > Harass: 1,3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] I am starting to feel like I am being flamed by a gaggle of
> > > > > > fifth-graders.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] I was pointing to Marty's mental confusion.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > > > > Harass: 1,3
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DTJ] The entire thrust of your posts over the last week seems to be
> > > > > > personal attacks. I am losing respect for you.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Denigrate: 1,2
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...
> > > >
> > > > Clear?
> > > >
> > > > > [Remaining post untrimmed to accomodate your needs]
> > > >
> > > > You might try reading it next time, to "accomodate" [sic] yours.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: You Linux folks Just Don't Get It....
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:13:44 GMT
So try arguing the point instead of the person.
claire
On 12 Oct 2000 01:46:07 GMT, Steve Mading
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>[Post re-ordered to be human readable again. Humans
>don't read things in middle-endian order very well.]
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>: On 10 Oct 2000 23:03:15 GMT, Steve Mading
>: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>:>
>:>In all fairness, all we really know is that it first started
>:>posting here under the name "Steve". We don't even know if
>:>that's the real name or if that was also a pseudonym. For
>:>all we know, it might really be Claire, and it started out
>:>with the false name "Steve". All we really know is that it's
>:>the same person, not what this person's real name is.
>:>
>:>(And to clarify, I'm not the Steve that Bob was talking about).
>
>: Thank you.
>
>For what? I still think the practice of deliberately confusing
>pseudonyms just to troll with anonymity is vain and rude. I
>was merely pointing out that we have no idea which pseudonym
>is the 'real' you, assuming that any of them are at all.
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: David T. Johnson lies again
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:21:53 GMT
Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Psst... I am an OS/2 developer.
It looks to me like you're doing the harassing....
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: filename extensions are NOT a kludge
Date: 12 Oct 2000 14:26:21 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Richard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Donal K. Fellows" wrote:
>> No, it was the lack of real objects. For all that the problem was
>> very functional in nature, it was also very OO in nature too, and it
>> turned out to be easier to state it all in Java. In terms of
>> minimised opacity of code. at least.
>
> Java is horrible as an OO language and even worse as a functional
> language. It would probably have been far better to use Smalltalk,
> which has simple support for delayed evaluation, than Java's
> monstrous notion of 'blocks'. Unless there's something I'm missing.
You're missing loads of things, like the fact that I know Java, don't
know Smalltalk and haven't had the time to learn something like it for
a good number of years now[*], that the software is going to have to
integrate with an existing server implemented in Java[**], and that
the problem was that I was not in need of evaluation delaying, but
rather precise control over what equality meant. Don't assume that
the world is structured in the way that you came to perceive it.
I'd have more success persuading my co-workers to use Common Lisp than
Smalltalk...
Donal.
[* I'm not some poxy postgrad student with more time than sense. ]
[** Implementation languages are a political decision. Smalltalk is
just not sexy enough, and its harder round here to get a good
supply of willing slaves^H^H^H^H^H^H^H masters students to work on
your code for you. ]
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- OK, there is the MFC, but it only makes the chaos object orientated.
-- Thomas Nellessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donal K. Fellows)
Subject: Re: programming languages and design
Date: 12 Oct 2000 14:37:30 GMT
In article <8rj467$mvq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Multi-lingual solutions are inherently more complex because the
> interface between languages will not be smooth. You must either
> communicate between seperate processes or deal with cross-lingual
> linking into one program, which isn't much fun.
There are some very good tools in this area. SWIG, for example.
> C++ certainly isn't the most high-level language out there, and it
> isn't the most low-level language out there.
True.
> But it is the most "wide-ranging" language I've encountered, with
> the greatest coverage of both high and low level tasks. This is why
> I've found it handy. The fact that it achieved this by maintaining
> old C features isn't relevant to me. That was just the easiest way
> to get that wide range of depth.
The problem is that there are other (typically high-level) features
which it is nice to have which C++ can't really provide due to its
existing breadth of features. For example, mixing loading of code
from arbitrary (untrusted) sources and unbounded address arithmetic -
both of which are useful features - is a really bad idea (i.e. a
stinking big security hole!) Security and reliability are features I
*really* go for, and they are both emergent features (i.e. they depend
on the system as a whole.)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- OK, there is the MFC, but it only makes the chaos object orientated.
-- Thomas Nellessen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.arch,alt.conspiracy.area51,comp.os.netware.misc,comp.protocols.tcp-ip,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 12:12:51 -0300
El jue, 12 oct 2000, John Lockwood escribió:
>On Wed, 11 Oct 2000 13:55:53 -0300, Roberto Alsina
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>El mié, 11 oct 2000, Simon Cooke escribió:
>>>"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>news:vSPE5.133$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>> "Peter da Silva" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>>>> news:8rtf3u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>>> > John Lockwood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>> > > 3) Notepad is a trivial windows application. (Defined as an
>>>> > > application a good Windows programmer could complete in a week or
>>>> > > two).
>>
>>[snip about how two weeks is way overkill]
>>
>
>Snip indeed. "From a week or two" to "two weeks", and complain that
>the second is way overkill.
You know, replying to comment on what was NOT included in the message instead
of what actually was is kinda lame.
> Of course most of the people who've
>written here to say they could do it faster assumed they wouldn't have
>to write the help system, or they assumed Delphi, or they assumed a
>canopener.
Why should anyone write the help system, if it's already available?
>What is amusing in a sort of "why the fuck am I still here" sort of
>way is watching the lot of you making my point for me that it's
>trivial while at the same time making me feel bad about it.
I totally agree that it's trivial, and I have no intention to make you feel bad
about anything. In fat, I don't give a damn about how you feel, really.
>Socializing here is right up there with sticking needles in one's
>eyes. I suppose you could do a better job at that, too. Bully for
>you.
Oh, whatever. You pick on me, and you don't even care about what I wrote. Shame
on you.
--
Robreto Alsina
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Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Power of the Future!
From: Chris Wenham <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:08:15 GMT
>>>>> "ZnU" == ZnU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> "Matthias Warkus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > Daniel Berger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > Nope. The future is BeOS!
>> > Tell me one thing that BeOS can do that Linux is conceptually
>> > incapable of.
>> Don't forget about the 3D cube rotating with the movies
>> playing on it! <grin>
> Bah. Apple has this beat. Haven't you seen the OS X demo where Jobs is
> editing a PDF file that's being mapped onto a rotating OpenGL model in
> real time? ;-P
And ALL Mac OS X applications are going to be JUST LIKE THIS!
"Wow, every three seconds my document rotates far enough for me to
see it!"
"MacAMP is so much better because the spectrum analyzer is mapped on
an OpenGL cube spinning inside a teapot that's pouring liquid bees!"
"I have all the navigation controls of my browser mapped onto a
dodecahedron that also doubles as the 'loading...' animation!"
"I've mapped a Java applet of a rotating cube onto an OpenGL cube
that's running on a monitor that I'm spinning around on a Lazy
Susan!"
Regards,
Chris Wenham
- And there will be constant moving
objects in the background like on
the TiVo. Mapped onto an OpenGL
cube. Set to a breakbeat.
And every object in the background
will be a web browser.
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