Linux-Advocacy Digest #625, Volume #28 Thu, 24 Aug 00 23:13:06 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Christopher Browne)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Christopher Browne)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Just converted ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Linux programmers dont live on this planet! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Switch to NT? (root)
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates) ("Erik Funkenbusch")
help me raid problem (neo)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Andre Ervin)
Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:03:55 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when paul snow would say:
>Here is a few observations:
>
>Linux on the desktop (and as a server) requires it to beat Windows XXX hands
>down for ease of configuration, security, and management.
>
>Installing software is simply the act of constructing in storage a proper
>representation of the software. In other words, our talking about
>installing software on a computer is like a painter insisting she is
>installing a picture of a duck onto her painting. It doesn't matter how she
>does it, she is rendering the duck, not installing it.
>
>We need to get rid of install programs, on all platforms. There isn't
>another single thing we do on computers that causes more in dollars and time
>(Solitaire *is* a close second, however ;-).
>
>XML can be used to define a program in abstract. A single, separate
>Software Rendering Facility can be used to take a program's abstract form in
>XML and render it to the target computer system.
>
>XML can be used to capture the options required for this rendering.
>
>XML can be used to refer to a group of programs in abstract (XML), and their
>options (XML), in order to define a single definition that can be expressed
>in different ways on different computer systems to construct an operational,
>distributed application. (Unlike today, where we have to install every web
>server, every firewall, every Java JDK, every etc. all from scratch, with
>one mistake preventing any of it from working!)
>
>This discussion about how XML might be used along with Linux to create a new
>concept in Operating Systems is beginning. We have the technology and the
>know how. We just have to take our computer system, set it on its side and
>view it a bit differently. This technology is going to completely change
>the rules of software configuration, management, and security, and you can
>make it happen.
>
> http://www.egroups.com/group/xmlos/
> http://www.egroups.com/subscribe/xmlos/
>
>Paul Snow
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Go design your "XMLOS," and be happy.
If you feel that there is some value in using Linux as the kernel for
your "XMLOS," that's well and good.
Here are a few more observations:
- There is _NO_ requirement that Linux "beats" Windows XXX; if Linux
happens to be a _useful_ OS kernel, and if systems constructed on
that kernel happen to be _useful_, they will get used.
- I suggest that you not talk about "installing ducks;" if you
actually have a point to make about installation, it will be better
made by demonstrating the point, not by making vague analogies.
- You seem to have fallen into the trap of believing all the hype
about XML. Yes, XML can be used to "express anything," but the same
is just as true of ASCII as well as of S-expressions.
If you want to use data-driven programs, I suggest you consider
looking at Open Genera, which is just such a system. If the fact
that it uses Lisp scares you, then that probably means that _real_
data driven programming is far too scary for you to be able to cope
with.
In any case, the discussion certainly belongs elsewhere than
*.linux.*.
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "acm.org")
<http://www.hex.net/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
The people's revolutionary committee has decided that the name "e" is
retrogressive, unmulticious and reactionary, and has been flushed.
Please update your abbrevs.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christopher Browne)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:04:21 GMT
Centuries ago, Nostradamus foresaw a time when Matthias Warkus would say:
>It was the 24 Aug 2000 10:43:56 -0600...
>...and Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Take a look at MacOS X Bundles:
>[schnipp]
>> Linux is halfway there already with RPM and deb; but the ultimate goal
>> is to just get rid of them.
>
>Uh-oh, I feel another flamewar coming up on NeXTish .app encapsulation
>vs. the classic Unix way of spreading an application out over bin,
>lib, share etc...
I think that makes the mistaken assumption that people _understand_
the NeXT approach.
The flames are not likely to come as a result of people knowing about
.app and "classic Unix," and considering one or the other to be
superior.
The flames will mainly come as a result of people not understanding
_either_, and associating things with some "Star Wars-like" epic
battle between the Rebellion and the Empire...
--
(concatenate 'string "cbbrowne" "@" "hex.net")
<http://www.ntlug.org/~cbbrowne/lsf.html>
Rules of the Evil Overlord #14. "The hero is not entitled to a last
kiss, a last cigarette, or any other form of last request."
<http://www.eviloverlord.com/>
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:23:49 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Being new to c.o.l.a., I ran a deja.com search on posts by this Kulkis
> > to see why he's such an irritating moron. And surprise, surprise, his
> > posts reveal that he's not only irritating, but also a completely Foul
>
> Yes, I am a severe irritation to stupid people.
>
> > Person, disliked widely across usenet.
> >
> > In other words, *plonk*.
Why do you respond to people that will not read your responses?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:06:21 -0400
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:24:37 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >> Being new to c.o.l.a., I ran a deja.com search on posts by this Kulkis
> >> to see why he's such an irritating moron. And surprise, surprise, his
> >> posts reveal that he's not only irritating, but also a completely Foul
> >
> >Yes, I am a severe irritation to stupid people.
>
> Hate to say it, but I'd suspect that a lot of your detractors are
> exceptionally intelligent if you're prepared to accept the limited
> definition of intelligence that you keep promoting. Speaking for myself,
> I'm more "intelligent" than Feynman (-;
>
Have you travelled to Sweden yet?
> --
> Donovan
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just converted
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:31:45 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8o2l5j$s3g$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > While the Windows 9x TCP/IP stack is a poor performer, it has no
> problems
> > with 1Mb/s. My old cable modem under 98 routinely pushed 1.5-3Mb's
> without
> > blinking an eye. Internally, I've gotten as much as 50Mb/s on a 100bT
> > network. (I'm not bragging about anything here, these are poor
> numbers, but
> > nowhere near as poor as you claim).
> >
> > There must be some other issue here if this is true.
>
> No other issues - Linux performs better on networks right through the
> bank. I have plenty examples on site.
You clearly did not read the post. It was claimed that Windows couldn't
transfer more than 200kb/s. This is clearly wrong.
> > The only reason why this might be true is if you are using some kind
> of
> > firewall that is sensitive to Windows generated packets.
>
> You will be amazed at the speed difference in dial-up access between
> Windows and Linux boxes. The past weekend a budy and me tried it out -
> a Windows 98 box with 550MHz AMD and 128MB RAM vs a Linux box with
> 400MHz AMD and 64MB RAM. We first connected with the Windows machine
> and checked how long it took to download the Norton Antivirus Update
> Files (each about 2.5MB). We then did exactly the same on the Linux
> box. In both instances we used the command line FTP applications. Linux
> performed very roughly 166% faster.
You realize that two dialup connections can route entirely differently. You
may not even connect at the same speed, and even if you do, line conditions
can change causing the modem to retrain (and lose performance).
Dialup connections are simply not a good benchmark for many reasons.
Additionally, default TCP/IP settings (which can be changed) may be
different between systems. For instance, a larger recieve window will give
better performance on clean lines, but poorer performance on dirty lines
than a smaller window.
> Now, I know this was not very scientific (we only had one tel. line to
> start with, so the connection was not simultanious). But still - after
> a whole weekend of experimenting the Linux box was consistantly faster
> then the the Windows box.
Did you bother to tweak the MTU and receive windows?
> We are now trying to org. a better benchmark run. Two tel. line for
> example will be a must! I will keep this ng updated...
Telephone lines are simply not going to be accurate. Two calls from the
same line can give vastly different performance on the same machine.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 22:11:56 -0400
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Being new to c.o.l.a., I ran a deja.com search on posts by this Kulkis
> > > to see why he's such an irritating moron. And surprise, surprise, his
> > > posts reveal that he's not only irritating, but also a completely Foul
> >
> > Yes, I am a severe irritation to stupid people.
> >
> > > Person, disliked widely across usenet.
> > >
> > > In other words, *plonk*.
>
> Why do you respond to people that will not read your responses?
You read my response, didn't you....
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux programmers dont live on this planet!
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:14:09 GMT
In article <TJHo5.2413$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"DES" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snippage>
> Yes I
> did RTFM and you know what I found!!! A whole new bloody language!!!
For
> those of you new to Linux; "Image" now means "copy", "Server" now
means
> "driver" etc. At least Mrs Gates little boy tried to make things easy
for
> us!
> Give me a break, keep yor eye on your objective instead of trying to
spite
> MS. Make it easy for Joe Public.
A UNIX background process was called a daemon back in the days of MSDOS
TSR ('T'erminate and 'S'tay 'R'esident) programs. A Linux daemon has
exactly the same meaning today as the UNIX daemon of that period. T'was
your uncle Bill that decided to rename a "daemon" a "service" with the
advent of WinNT. Want more examples?
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: root <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Switch to NT?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:24:42 GMT
Staroffice is superB!
The only Office solution for Linux thats not have the 80:s feeling over it
;-)
/IL
Bob Hauck wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 16:34:18 GMT, Tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Is StarOffice still hideous?
> >
> >I mean........last time I looked at it, it was a hideous re-incarnation
> >of the Microsoft Windows desktop.
>
> Basically, yes.
>
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: Anonymous
Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates)
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:51:44 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> >
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Being new to c.o.l.a., I ran a deja.com search on posts by this
Kulkis
> > > > to see why he's such an irritating moron. And surprise, surprise,
his
> > > > posts reveal that he's not only irritating, but also a completely
Foul
> > >
> > > Yes, I am a severe irritation to stupid people.
> > >
> > > > Person, disliked widely across usenet.
> > > >
> > > > In other words, *plonk*.
> >
> > Why do you respond to people that will not read your responses?
>
> You read my response, didn't you....
So what? The person you responded to, didn't. That's like walking around
yelling "LA LA LA LA". People are going to hear you, but they're not going
to LISTEN to you.
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From: neo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: help me raid problem
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:41:25 GMT
hi i 've been trying to raid two of my harddisk which have a storage
space of 20gb each.the raid was running fine until tried some testing. i
made the system crashed to check if the mirrored harddisk works.Well it
all went smoothly.anyway i unplugged on of the mirroring harddisk.and
later on i plugged it back in again to the system.since then my raid is
not working it say error inconsistency hdb1 000003413 and hdd1 000001233
.hdb1 is my disk 0 and hdd1 is my disk1.can any one help on this
please.how can vring this back to normal.anyway im using raid level 1
.thank you
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Andre Ervin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:56:44 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Andre Ervin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > >
> > > > > You mean Bush wants to give people their money back instead of
> > > > > spending it for them!? How absurd!
> > > >
> > > > Bush wants to make the rich richer instead of helping the poor stay
> > > > healthy and educated.
> > >
> > > That's SOOOO OLD. Nothing is that simple. It's more of a 50 year old
> > > democratic slogan than anything. Not even worthy of argument except
> > > to
> say
> > > 95% of the poor are in that situation by choice, it's the five out of
> 100
> > > poor that need a hand.
> >
> > Proof? For that matter, how many truly poor people do you know?
>
> I've met a lot of truly poor people in my life, and myself have been
> pleny
> broke and hungry. I never blamed anyone - especially "the rich" for my
> problems though, I blamed myself.
> If you are a poor adult, it is most generaly it is your own fault.
It's your fault that you grew up poor, had almost no opportunities to
better yourself, struggled through a piss-poor educational system geared
more toward keeping you disciplined than teaching you important skills,
and can't find a job that will help you get the skills you need to get a
better-paying job? It's your fault that the odds are stacked even
higher against you with such a background to make it _to_ a college,
much less _through_ one? It's your fault that perception means a lot in
the job market, and you may not fit the perception?
There's a lot of factors out there that cause people to be adult and
poor in this country, and there's a lot of people who've tried and
failed to do the same thing you managed to succeed at doing. Not that I
expect you to understand that.
> I was
> broke and jobless in 1980 and figuring out who to blame when President
> Regan
> held up page after page of the help wanted ads on national television in
> response to a question on why so many people were out of work. And he was
> right.
I've heard that conservatives would rather lay blame instead of solve
the problems. Thanks for proving it!
--
dre
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:18:10 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o4fl3$3p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Microsoft L++?
>
> I wouldn't put it past them.
But wait! L++ is M. That would put them in trouble by infringing on M of
fractals.
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:23:00 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:09:00 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >Windows. To the uninitiated, ANY talk of a system with "windows"
> >sounds like a conversation about MS Windows.
> >
> >Back Office: same thing
> >
> >Word. Similar concept.
> >
> >Media player: same thing
>
> My favourite is "SQL server".
Mine is DOS and Disk Operating System. At the time almost all OS when by
those names until......
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 19:57:33 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Joseph T. Adams <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o4ina$daf$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : This who XML hysteria worries me. We have people thinking that it is
> : something other than a very inefficient text based file format. Example:
As a a data storage format XML is no better than any other file format and
it does not prevent creating none portable private data format.
Remember this example:
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
<!DOCTYPE RESULTSET SYSTEM "http://fubar.com/fubar.dtd">
<RESULTSET>
<RESULT ID="0" >
<MATCHES>0</MATCHES>
<TIME>0.1605</TIME>
<RATINGS>0</RATINGS>
<MAXSCORE>2510</MAXSCORE>
<SCORE>6947</SCORE>
<SIZE>6536</SIZE>
<LANGUAGE>_LANG1_</LANGUAGE>
<DATE>957148708</DATE>
<FORMAT>0</FORMAT>
<MODDATE>0</MODDATE>
</RESULT>
</RESULTSET>
How portable would this version of it be?
<?xml version="1.0" encoding="iso-8859-1" ?>
<!DOCTYPE RST "http://localhost/fubar.dtd>
<RST>
<R ID="0" >
<F0>A</F0>
<F1>q20e3</F1>
<F2>e</F2>
<F3>lsm2</F3>
<F4>928l</F4>
<F5>pqke</F5>
<F6>2ksnfui</F6>
<F7>mpqw395hg</F6>
<F7>2</F7>
<F8>5</F8>
</R>
</RST>
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