Linux-Advocacy Digest #626, Volume #28 Fri, 25 Aug 00 04:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Just converted ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Craig Kelley)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic
Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth stagnating)
("JS/PL")
Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and (Jacques Guy)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Chad Irby)
Outside the 'cathedral' of commercialism looking in on the advantages of Open Source
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Mike
Marion)
Re: Microsoft Linux: what if? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: help me raid problem ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re: ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Courageous)
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? ("JS/PL")
Re: Just converted ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: So ya' wanna' run Linux?...I have a bridge for sale in Bklyn..... (Marada C.
Shradrakaii)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Just converted
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:55:32 GMT
In article <hFkp5.7599$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> Telephone lines are simply not going to be accurate. Two calls from
the
> same line can give vastly different performance on the same machine.
>
Uuuhh, mine's really consistent. 'Course I can throw rocks from the
back yard and hit the rooftops of both my ISP and the local telco CO.
And my Windoze transfers are always slower than Linux, on the same line,
at the same times of day, with the same box, to the same site. No I'm
not going by the bogus "connected at" number, just comparing download
times for similar sized files. Windoze is appalling; its so slow you'd
think its copying my entire disk image and personal data up to
microsoft.com at the same time I'm trying to ftp a file.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 24 Aug 2000 21:27:46 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus) writes:
> It was the 24 Aug 2000 10:43:56 -0600...
> ...and Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Take a look at MacOS X Bundles:
> [schnipp]
> > Linux is halfway there already with RPM and deb; but the ultimate goal
> > is to just get rid of them.
>
> Uh-oh, I feel another flamewar coming up on NeXTish .app encapsulation
> vs. the classic Unix way of spreading an application out over bin,
> lib, share etc...
They both do what they are supposed to do but one method requires
significantly more everyday work than the other. The other method
requires a more sophisticated operating system.
NeXT bundles are very cool; there are no drawbacks that do not also
apply to conventional packages, but there are significant benefits
both for novice and power users. One method uses files and standard
operating system tools; the other requires complicated packaging
systems which must duplicate OS features (network installs,
versioning, architecture detection, etc.).
Hopefully, some sort of bundle+dependency checking could be
implemented under Linux. You could then install things by just
dragging (or cp, of course) them to wherever you want to keep them;
the system notes everything about it and can keep track of it from
then on.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 23:59:40 -0400
"Andre Ervin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > "Andre Ervin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > "ZnU" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You mean Bush wants to give people their money back instead of
> > > > > > spending it for them!? How absurd!
> > > > >
> > > > > Bush wants to make the rich richer instead of helping the poor
stay
> > > > > healthy and educated.
> > > >
> > > > That's SOOOO OLD. Nothing is that simple. It's more of a 50 year old
> > > > democratic slogan than anything. Not even worthy of argument except
> > > > to
> > say
> > > > 95% of the poor are in that situation by choice, it's the five out
of
> > 100
> > > > poor that need a hand.
> > >
> > > Proof? For that matter, how many truly poor people do you know?
> >
> > I've met a lot of truly poor people in my life, and myself have been
> > pleny
> > broke and hungry. I never blamed anyone - especially "the rich" for my
> > problems though, I blamed myself.
> > If you are a poor adult, it is most generaly it is your own fault.
>
> It's your fault that you grew up poor, had almost no opportunities to
> better yourself, struggled through a piss-poor educational system geared
> more toward keeping you disciplined than teaching you important skills,
> and can't find a job that will help you get the skills you need to get a
> better-paying job? It's your fault that the odds are stacked even
> higher against you with such a background to make it _to_ a college,
> much less _through_ one? It's your fault that perception means a lot in
> the job market, and you may not fit the perception?
No but....
It's only your fault that you let those minor distractions hold you back.
The fact remains, no one owes the person in the example above a damn thing.
No matter how bad you think you have, it can (and probably will) get worse,
it's just a matter of what YOU do about it, not what someone else is going
to do about it.
Try living in a country where you don't have the RIGHT to get ahead. Look at
some countries where there are two classes, one generaly drives Rolls
Royces, the other class generaly WALKS! Those people would DIE to be
subjected to the laughable "setbacks" you list above.
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:06:03 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8o3bun$l4o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> -- snip --
>
> > The term "abusive monopoly" is an oxymoron;
>
> Hmm, I think you mean "the term 'abusive monopoly' is redundant."
>
> Kind of like "violent explosion."
or Microsoft Works
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard says Linux growth
stagnating)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 00:14:25 -0400
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8o4bfg$3f2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> Matthias Warkus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > It was the Thu, 24 Aug 2000 11:57:29 -0400...
> > ...and Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > sandrews wrote:
> > > >
> > > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Roberto Alsina
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I have more sides than the average icosahedron. So do you,
probably.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > What`s a icosahedron ???
> > >
> > > a 12(?) vertex regular solid.
> >
> > Nope. You mean a dodecahedron. An icosahedron's got twenty vertices.
> >
> > For the laymen out there, an icosahedron looks like a ball made of
> > twenty triangles, the sides of all triangles being of the same length.
>
> You mean we not have poeple comming out of high school that are not
familiar
> with something as basic as that?!? So that you have to try to draw verbal
> pictures of the object? I thought every one here was having fun with a
> running joke, until your message.
Ahh... but do you remember "Where is Lucy?" in French?
Extra credit - She is at the theatre. {in french}
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Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 04:44:36 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: When it's time to not be nice... (was Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and
JS/PL wrote:
> Ahh... but do you remember "Where is Lucy?" in French?
> Extra credit - She is at the theatre. {in french}
Is this a veiled allusion to:
"ouk' elabon polin; alla gar elpis ephe kaka"
{in Classical Greek}
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From: Chad Irby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 05:29:39 GMT
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > -- snip --
> >
> > > The term "abusive monopoly" is an oxymoron;
> >
> > Hmm, I think you mean "the term 'abusive monopoly' is redundant."
> >
> > Kind of like "violent explosion."
>
> or Microsoft Works
No, that one's an oxymoron, and a famous one at that.
--
Chad Irby \ My greatest fear: that future generations will,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] \ for some reason, refer to me as an "optimist."
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Outside the 'cathedral' of commercialism looking in on the advantages of Open
Source
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:09:02 GMT
An outsider to the 'cathedral' of commercialism, but having considered
the differences in the quality of products produced under commercial
means and Open Source, this article addresses the differences between
the two and the ultimate advantage of an Open Source-based society.
The article is located
<a href="http://www.themestream.com/gspd_browse/browse/view_article.gsp?
c_id=150378"><b>here</b></a>.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Mike Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 06:56:20 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> The whole nation would benefit greatly if a couple of these slimeballs
> wound up dead of unnatural, violent causes under mysterious
> circumstances.
I'm assuming you mean someone from the IRS?
> Those who seek to benefit of it can be be morally held responsible
> for partaking in the whole immoral system:
>
> Accepting pay to enforce a tax code which they KNOW is used for
> immoral purposes (Robbing workers to pay the irresponsible and
> lazy--I.e. they are accessories to felony theft, or enslavement,
I hope you don't mean that by accepting pay for a job that you're a part of
the problem just because you know that your taxes are misuesed... if that is
what you mean, how to you suggest one get by in this country without a job and
pay?
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://miguelito.org
"PCMCIA - People Can't Memorize Computer Industry Acronyms"
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft Linux: what if?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:53:05 -0400
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Thu, 24 Aug 2000 21:09:00 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > >Windows. To the uninitiated, ANY talk of a system with "windows"
> > >sounds like a conversation about MS Windows.
> > >
> > >Back Office: same thing
> > >
> > >Word. Similar concept.
> > >
> > >Media player: same thing
> >
> > My favourite is "SQL server".
>
> Mine is DOS and Disk Operating System. At the time almost all OS when by
> those names until......
Oh god, I forgot about that one.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: help me raid problem
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:55:18 -0400
neo wrote:
>
> hi i 've been trying to raid two of my harddisk which have a storage
> space of 20gb each.the raid was running fine until tried some testing. i
> made the system crashed to check if the mirrored harddisk works.Well it
Mirroring is not for system crash protection.
Mirroring is for insurance if one disk fails.
> all went smoothly.anyway i unplugged on of the mirroring harddisk.and
> later on i plugged it back in again to the system.since then my raid is
> not working it say error inconsistency hdb1 000003413 and hdd1 000001233
> .hdb1 is my disk 0 and hdd1 is my disk1.can any one help on this
> please.how can vring this back to normal.anyway im using raid level 1
> .thank you
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Is the GDI-in-kernel-mode thing really so bad?... (was Re:
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:56:08 -0400
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Being new to c.o.l.a., I ran a deja.com search on posts by this
> Kulkis
> > > > > to see why he's such an irritating moron. And surprise, surprise,
> his
> > > > > posts reveal that he's not only irritating, but also a completely
> Foul
> > > >
> > > > Yes, I am a severe irritation to stupid people.
> > > >
> > > > > Person, disliked widely across usenet.
> > > > >
> > > > > In other words, *plonk*.
> > >
> > > Why do you respond to people that will not read your responses?
> >
> > You read my response, didn't you....
>
> So what? The person you responded to, didn't. That's like walking around
> yelling "LA LA LA LA". People are going to hear you, but they're not going
> to LISTEN to you.
Um.... the person saying "LA LA LA" is the "plonker", not the "plonkee"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.
C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
that she doesn't like.
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.
E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
response until their behavior improves.
G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
H: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Courageous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 07:05:55 GMT
> > I suspect that you are behind the times. Furthermore, we're
> > arguing about peanuts. Why get all in a rile over peanuts
> > when there are issues where SERIOUS MONEY is at stake? Look
>
> As of 1995, Wealth-redistribution "entitlements" made up 45% of
> the budget, and was growing. ( The Republican congress may have
> derailed this trend, however :-)
A bait and switch. When you're talking about Social Security,
make sure you say so. This isn't what the average person thinks
of when you say "welfare".
C//
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From: "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 03:09:28 -0400
"Chad Irby" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >
> > > -- snip --
> > >
> > > > The term "abusive monopoly" is an oxymoron;
> > >
> > > Hmm, I think you mean "the term 'abusive monopoly' is redundant."
> > >
> > > Kind of like "violent explosion."
> >
> > or Microsoft Works
>
> No, that one's an oxymoron, and a famous one at that.
Depends on the point of view
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just converted
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2000 02:39:34 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8o4n6s$8h9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <hFkp5.7599$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <snip>
> > Telephone lines are simply not going to be accurate. Two calls from
> the
> > same line can give vastly different performance on the same machine.
> >
>
> Uuuhh, mine's really consistent. 'Course I can throw rocks from the
> back yard and hit the rooftops of both my ISP and the local telco CO.
A place I lived at a few years ago was literally 3 doors down from the CO.
Yet I couldn't get more than a 43k connect. Distance doesn't mean much.
Phone lines are simply not "precise".
> And my Windoze transfers are always slower than Linux, on the same line,
> at the same times of day, with the same box, to the same site. No I'm
> not going by the bogus "connected at" number, just comparing download
> times for similar sized files. Windoze is appalling; its so slow you'd
> think its copying my entire disk image and personal data up to
> microsoft.com at the same time I'm trying to ftp a file.
There are many factors involved here. But most certainly, if Windows can
download megabits/s on an ethernet, it can surely saturate a 53k connection.
To claim otherwise is plain silly. As I said in my message, things like MTU
and recieve window greatly effect the speed of your transfer. It may be
that your version of Linux has set a large recieve window size, at the cost
of expensive retransmits, which is fine if you have clean lines, but
horrible if you don't.
You need to set both machines to the exact same TCP/IP settings in order to
even come close to a meaningful comparison.
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Marada C. Shradrakaii)
Subject: Re: So ya' wanna' run Linux?...I have a bridge for sale in Bklyn.....
Date: 25 Aug 2000 07:34:44 GMT
>Linux *barely* has support for non 3dfx 3d apps/libraries. We have been doing
>
>3d on the PC for 4 years now.
>
Remember... there was a time when only some 3d boards were properly supported
by Windows software too. I recall when PC Gamer magazine offered a demo of
Final Fantasy VII on their enclosed CD, and it would only run with some Voodoo
cards. There was probably about half-a-dozen apps, if that many, that
supported the "3D" features of the S3 Virge chipset.
The nice thing is that a proven, tried uniform API (OpenGL) is in place, and
all that's needed is to write the hardware-support ends.
--
Marada Coeurfuege Shra'drakaii
Colony name not needed in address.
DC2.Dw Gm L280c W+ T90k Sks,wl Cma-,wbk Bsu#/fl A+++ Fr++ Nu M/ O H++ $+ Fo++
R++ Ac+ J-- S-- U? I++ V+ Q++[thoughtspeech] Tc++
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