Linux-Advocacy Digest #701, Volume #28 Mon, 28 Aug 00 04:13:08 EDT
Contents:
Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It? (Eric Bennett)
Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Eric
Bennett)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Eric
Bennett)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows (Loren Petrich)
Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?) (T. Max Devlin)
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split Save It?
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:25:22 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Said Joe R. in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [...]
> >> Well, seeing as my wife is a student at Penn State, and the
> >> Pennsylvania
> >> State Employees Credit Union told me that Penn State is not classified
> >> as a public institution, because it derives too large a proportion of
> >
> >Actually, the reason would be that Penn State employees are employed by
> >the University and not by the state--unlike the State colleges.
Actually, if the information on their web page is accurate, the reason
is because the statutes legally classify them that way. But a duck is a
duck even if you pass a law calling it a goose.
> Well, that would mean Penn State is not a state college. All other
> "public institutions" along the lines of state universities are, in
> fact, included as "employed by the state", though many of them, in fact,
> are not employed by the state, but their employer derives the majority
> of their operating income from tax dollars.
Penn State gets a good chunk of change from the state. I can't find a
detailed breakdown of income, but there is some information at
www.budget.psu.edu (lots of details about where the money goes, but not
where it comes from).
> Chances are, it was a state college at one time, before it built the
> largest alumni organization in the country. But if you have any
> information (you haven't provided any, BTW; I thought you should know)
> on the details of Penn States history, feel free to post them.
Well, there a link to history right off their front page. See for
example:
http://www.psu.edu/ur/about/history.html
http://www.psu.edu/ur/about/landgrant.html
And there is the following, where they attempt to classify themselves as
neither public nor private:
http://www.psu.edu/ur/Profile/publicservice.html
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The third element of Penn State's missionpublic service and outreach
stems from its land-grant obligation to promote the general welfare.
Penn State's first president, Evan Pugh, set the standard for public
service when the Commonwealth commissioned him to conduct chemical
analyses of commercial fertilizers so that farmers would know what they
were buying. This same ideal guides today's cooperative extension
service and the University's numerous other public service offerings.
In return for carrying out a statewide program of instruction, research,
and service, the University receives regular appropriations from the
state legislature.
In Pennsylvania's unique system of higher education, Penn State has been
defined by statute as a "state-related" institution. This definition
means that the University is not entirely public; nor, despite its
private charter, is it a private institution. Rather, it combines the
best facets of a public entity with those of a private institution.
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--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
Anybody that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing
and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office. -David Broder
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Article: Why linux is here to stay
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:28:37 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Loren Petrich in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Loren Petrich wrote:
>>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> >They should pull the Windows and Mac's out. They serve no purpose
>>> >other than to befuddle the underclassemen with stupid ideas.
>>> And what, in particular, might those be?
>>That "point & click" has anything to do with "computer engineering"
>>and/or "computer science"
>
> Who cares?
>
> There's a big market for point-and-click, and someone who
>professes to believe in capitalism ought to appreciate trying to satisfy
>that market.
As Matthias Warkus so aptly said, "Excuse me while I go puke."
> Furthermore, this argument would make KDE and Gnome into great evils.
Well, maybe KDE. :-D
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:35:03 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (C Lund) wrote:
> Not everybody
> has a rich daddy who could pay for college. Not everybody qualifies for a
> scholarship. And not everybody had a life situation that allowed them to
> get a proper education. Life is tough on some people whetehr they deserve
> it or not.
Here's a good one: I know somebody whose student aid couldn't be
released until she was enrolled, but she couldn't pay the tuition (and
thus couldn't be enrolled) until she got the aid. Go figure.
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
Anybody that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing
and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office. -David Broder
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From: Eric Bennett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 02:42:12 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ZnU
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sometimes high intelligence isn't even the most important criterion;
> good communication skills or initiative can be more valuable in certain
> positions. You'd almost certainly be doing yourself a disservice by
> pre-screening applicants based on IQ.
So why do we need laws for this? If companies hire inappropriately
qualified employees, they'll suffer for it at the hand of the free
market when their competitors are all doing a better job.
--
Eric Bennett ( http://www.pobox.com/~ericb/ )
Cornell University / Chemistry & Chemical Biology
Anybody that wants the presidency so much that he'll spend two years organizing
and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office. -David Broder
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Loren Petrich)
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: 28 Aug 2000 07:09:12 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>This who XML hysteria worries me. We have people thinking that it is
>something other than a very inefficient text based file format. Example:
[a somewhat verbose one]
As to examples, check this one out, which is the way I've
implemented configuiration files (or more precisely, MacOS resource-fork
contents) for the open-source version of Bungie's Marathon engine
(source.bungie.org):
<marathon>
<interface>
<!-- Cyan box displays for ammo -->
<color index="0" red="0" green="1" blue="1"/>
<color index="1" red="0" green="0.1" blue="0.1"/>
<!-- Modify the assault rifle's bullet display to look like the fusion
gun's -->
<weapon index="3">
<ammo index="0" type="1" across="52" delta_x="50" delta_y="40"
bullet_shape="0" empty_shape="1"/>
<ammo index="1" right_to_left="0"/>
</weapon>
</interface>
<motion_sensor>
<!-- S'pht'Kr look like hostile players -->
<assign monster="36" type="2"/>
<assign monster="37" type="2"/>
</motion_sensor>
<overhead_map>
<!-- F'licktas are honorary Bobs -->
<assign_live monster="33" type="0"/>
<assign_live monster="34" type="0"/>
<assign_live monster="35" type="0"/>
<assign_dead coll="11" type="0"/>
<!-- Hide the Juggernauts -->
<assign_live monster="38" type="-1"/>
<assign_live monster="39" type="-1"/>
<assign_dead coll="2" type="-1"/>
<!-- Show everything showable -->
<aliens on="true"/>
<projectiles on="true"/>
<items on="true"/>
<paths on="true"/>
<!-- Fun with colors; make the polygons and lines cyan -->
<color index="0" red="0" green="0.4" blue="0.4"/>
<color index="8" red="0" green="1" blue="1"/>
<color index="9" red="0" green="0.8" blue="0.8"/>
</overhead_map>
<infravision>
<!-- S'pht'Kr look friendly -->
<assign coll="11" color="1"/>
<!-- Gray walls -->
<color index="2" red="0.3" green="0.3" blue="0.3"/>
</infravision>
<animated_textures>
<!-- Couldn't think of what to put in here -->
</animated_textures>
<control_panels>
<!-- Water rechargers giving more energy and sounding like oxygen
recharger -->
<panel index="1" type="2" pitch="0.25">
<sound type="0" which="10"/>
</panel>
<panel index="2" type="3" pitch="0.5">
<sound type="0" which="10"/>
</panel>
</control_panels>
<platforms>
<!-- S'pht Door sounding weird; also, give health an seem like picking
something up -->
<platform index="0"
start_extend="12" start_contract="1" stop_extend="13" stop_contract="2"
obstructed="17" uncontrollable="19" moving="10">
<damage type="7" base="-10" random="3"/>
</platform>
</platforms>
<liquids>
<!-- Jjaro liquid a bit strange... Pfhorian appearance, Pfhor-staff
healing, weird into/out-of effects...-->
<liquid index="4" transfer="19" damage_freq="7" submerged="3">
<damage type="1" base="-1" random="0"/>
<sound type="0" which="24"/>
<sound type="1" which="25"/>
<sound type="2" which="27"/>
<sound type="3" which="28"/>
<sound type="4" which="3"/>
<effect type="2" which="0"/>
</liquid>
</liquids>
<faders>
<!-- Picking up stuff will look very interesting... -->
<fader index="7" type="5" initial_opacity="1" period="120">
<color red="1" green="0" blue="1"/>
</fader>
<!-- If hit by a Pfhor bolt... -->
<fader index="13" type="3" initial_opacity="1" period="60">
<color red="0.5" green="1" blue="0.5"/>
</fader>
<!-- Make water nearly-opaque cyan; make the sewage look like an
alien-weapon hit -->
<fader index="29" type="0" ><color red="0" green="0.5" blue="0.5"/></fader>
<liquid index="0" fader="29" opacity="0.8"/>
<liquid index="2" fader="24" opacity="0.8"/>
</faders>
<!-- More energy, less oxygen; vulnerable to F'lickta claws when
invincible -->
<player energy="300" oxygen="8100" stripped="100" light="0.1"
oxygen_deplete="-18" oxygen_replenish="-3" vulnerability="14">
<!-- Add a SMG and some ammo -->
<item index="1" type="34"/>
<item index="4" type="35"/>
<item index="7" type="35"/>
<!-- Hunter bolt looks like Pfhor, induces VacBob hit and death sounds,
causes flaming death -->
<damage index="12" threshold="-1" fade="13" sound="205" death_sound="203"
death_action="8"/>
<powerup infravision="1800" extravision="900" invisibility="2400"
invincibility="3600"/>
</player>
<view>
<!-- Expand the range and make the change rate slower -->
<fov normal="90" extra="160" tunnel="15" rate="1"/>
</view>
<weapons>
<!-- Make SMG look like assault rifle, but with antigravity -->
<shell_casings index="4" seq="19" vx0="0.03" dvy="0.1"/>
<!-- Rearrange the weapons; interchange SMG and alien weapon -->
<order index="5" weapon="6"/>
<order index="8" weapon="9"/>
</weapons>
<items>
<!-- Can pick up more SMG ammo -->
<item index="35" maximum="16"/>
<!-- Make a 1x recharger look like an uplink chip -->
<item index="19"><shape coll="7" seq="16"/></item>
</items>
<scenery>
<!-- Make the lamps destroyable -->
<object index="50" flags="5" destruction="2"/>
<object index="51" flags="5"><destroyed><shape coll="25"
seq="11"/></destroyed></object>
<!-- Make the glass container very fat -->
<object index="55" radius="1024" height="256"/>
<!-- Make the floor whip antenna solid -->
<object index="59" flags="1" radius="64" height="1024"/>
</scenery>
<landscapes>
<landscape coll="27" horiz_exp="0" vert_exp="2" ogl_asprat_exp="0"/>
</landscapes>
</marathon>
--
Loren Petrich Happiness is a fast Macintosh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And a fast train
My home page: http://www.petrich.com/home.html
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Crossposted-To: alt.microsoft.sucks,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Enemies of Linux are MS Lovers
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 07:12:51 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> Hey, Windows'95 works just fine and fast,
> That's a funny way to spell "crashes alot"
It depends on what you do with it, I think. Both NT and Windows 98
are pretty stable for me, as long as I follow a couple of simple
rules.
1) run under VMWare - no weird drivers and conflicts, the OS
sees very standard hardware only.
2) don't install a lot of applications, but run different instances of
the OS for each application instead.
3) only install the English versions of everything (for those of us
living outside of Anglo-American territories)
4) don't install games.
-kzm
--
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:15:43 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Aaron R. Kulkis in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>> Goodwin's assertion is reasonably accurate. Long therads do seem to get
>> on to nazis eventually. However, it's the **** ********** *******'s who
>
>Mainly because they nazi/anti-nazi is a real-life, universally
>understood instance of bad vs. good.
A wise observation, Aaron.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:15:45 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:slrn8pgao5.u9c.TheCentralScrutinizer.201@C298344-
>
>Our current day system would have been classified as supercomputers justa
>few years ago, with unix/Linux they are speed deamons yet for Windows they
>are barely serviceable. Remember when having a couple of floppies drives
>and 64K of RAM running at 4.77Mhz was complete computing heaven?
Yes. Those were the days. When you didn't have salesman designing
software.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:15:46 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Nathaniel Jay Lee in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
[...]
>I'm wondering if that isn't part of my problem too. I know, I'm 'only'
>26, but I feel like I'm about four hundred and thirty-five sometimes.
>I've done an awful lot for someone my age, and have aged considerably
>during that time (yet haven't completely given up on fun, I still like
>cartoons and toys:-). But the older I get, the more knowledge I
>consume, the less acceptable most TV and most other 'popular culture'
>entertainment seems to me. Not that I want to tell others it isn't OK
>for them, but I just don't see the point of it for myself. It must be
>age. Either that, or society is decaying faster every day. I'd expect
>either of them (or both) to be true.
The agony is, Nate, that that's 'wisdom', creeping up on you. Careful;
it can turn you bitter. Definitely keep up the cartoons and toys. ;-)
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Sun, 27 Aug 2000 23:39:19 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:D4nq5.20526$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > You do realize that is software that gives any meaning to the data on
the
> > storage device beyond just a collection of bytes or bits arranged as
fixed
> > sized records in th case of DASD devices. It is the processor that
gives
> > any meaning to the contents of ROMs, without interpretation the data is
> just
> > a random collection of whatever method is used to record the data. Just
> > like writing is just a random collection of marking for someone who can
> not
> > read it.
> >
> > What do you mean by "other platforms"? It seems that you are not using
> the
> > same meaning that is attached to it by the reset of us.
>
> My point is that the storage defines the software. Meaning is another
> issue, related closely to Magic.
As a wise man said, any advanced technology would appear as magic to a
primative. No wonder you are having trouble installing software and are
hoping for miracle solutions. I on the other hand am not a primative I
understand just how the software and hardware operate. I can assure you
there is no magic involved. It is technology based on sound scientific
principles that make the computers work. Do you know that programs can
exist without computer storage? So your statement that storage defines the
software is a invalid.
> The storage exists logically outside the execution environment of the
> software. Storage can be constructed for a processor with the software we
> want that processor to use.
>
> platform -- a physically different computer or a different OS or a
different
> processor, or smart storage. I'm pretty flexible with how you understand
> the term platform. Most readings work, best I can tell. I'll even take a
> virtual machine or two.
That is what I thought, you are incorrectly using the word "platform".
> BTW, Does it hurt to be reset ? ;-)
Pardon?
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.os.linux,comp.text.xml,comp.os.linux.setup,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Linux, XML, and assalting Windows
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 00:12:00 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
paul snow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:SJmq5.20399
> Distributed applications mean that to get the distributed application to
> run, I have to get a number of applications installed and configured,
> usually across a range of platforms, and integrated with firewalls, etc.
> Today I do that with sometimes great programs (like the RPM) and sometimes
> with less great facilities (like Install Shield). But I have to manually
> install and configure each component, often in an exact order. I have
> databases, database clients, compilers, web servers, object request
brokers
> of various sorts, etc. that all have their own sets of needed tweaks based
> on the topology we are setting up.
>
> All of that just to get the right abstractions up and running so we can
> begin to talk about setting up and configuring the actual application.
>
> That is what I mean when I say we need to be able to manage cross platform
> distributed applications. Today we have given up on client side
> distributed applications. Involving the client in all of this seems like
it
> is just too difficult. But look at the promises! Many of the
applications
> we are predicting require client side intelligence. And even the ones
that
> don't are passing up on lots of CPU cycles that would greatly improve
their
> performance. All because we can't deliver and manage software.
Who can't deliver software? It is being done all the time.
What do you mean that we can't manage software and who is we?
> The Internet means distributed applications. And internet delivered
> software. Transient software (applications that install, you use for a
> while, then they go away.)
>From which RFC did you get that definition of the Internet.
Who controls the installation, use, and removeal of the "transient
software"?
> Take one of many examples:
>
> Say that I want to be able, as an Application Service Provider (ASP), to
> deliver native code to my clients. But today I can't because I can't
manage
> all the combinations of possible configuration issues that my customers
are
> going to encounter if I deliver software the way we do today. As an ASP I
> become responsible. If I try to push this responsibility off onto the
> specific Application Developer, they are simply going blame the problem on
> one or more of the other venders that delivered software to this customer.
>
> But if instead I am providing XML described software, then this
> responsibility to deal with these combinations shifts to the vender of the
> Software Rendering Facility the customer is using. But unlike the ASP,
the
> Facility vender deals with this day in and day out for all their customers
> (a set much larger than the ASPs). And doing so is part of their value
add.
> Furthermore, part of their value add is assuring the customer they can
> cleanly remove the new software if no repair for the installation is forth
> comming.
>
> That is why the Internet changes things.
No, the internet changes nothing. But rather than going into detail now, I
will wait until I have seen your concrete example.
On the other issue of ASP's, you have still not responded to my eariler
questions of how you would address various problems that would happen, if
the world of computing accepted the ASP model as a norm.
> We are at the breaking edge when it comes to delivering and deploying
these
> technologies. System upgrades? Replacing a busted server? Reconfiguring
to
> use the next release of a database?
and slipping in Trojan software, breaking solid installation so you can seel
an upgrade compromising privacy and security.
> These are all very, very difficult when
> they must be done manually, system by system.
Yes, it is quite difficult to slip in and then slip back out software that
is counter counter to the benefits of the owners of the computers when you
have to rely on them or their agents to unknowingly perform the neferious
deed for you.
> What is to be done if even reasonably simple applications that you happen
to
> desire (but I would never dare imply intersect my own) happen to require
> code to be installed on your computing device? Even if we "trust" each
> other, my code might not be compatible with other code you are using.
This
> problem may even be a known one, along with the configuration fix needed.
Then it should be the job of the person responsible for the computer to
perform the steps needed to make things work. That way, if and when thing
break he or she will know what was done and how to remedy it. AND if
someone is trying to pull a fast one on them, they will have the evidence.
> How do we upgrade and manage distributed applications when they do break
out
> of the servers and onto the Internet in peer to peer configurations?
They same way we do it now already. It works and it is secure. The person
responsible for the computer determines the the machine should participate,
they aquire the required software, reguardless of who developed it, so long
as it is compatible with the communications protocol. They the install it.
> > By the way, do you know what it means to program a station? I don't
think
> > you do, or else you would not have used, "the station I programmed on
the
> > Internet", since it does not belong in this discussion.
>
> www.Sonicnet.com I am not sure why I referenced it, but I just
"programmed"
> my station, which delivers western music, classical, and pop. You really
> haven't lived until your radio station follows Bach with Johnny Cash! No
> way anyone could have followed that reference, so I am sorry for any
> heartburn it caused.
Again, you confirm that you are using invalid definitions for your
terminology.
> > > We can't do all of this by coping all our files onto our bin
directory.
> >
> > I never mentioned anythng about copying anything into bin. I never even
> > mentioned bin. Further, I would never suggest putting ALL our files
into
> > bin let alone onto bin. The installation method has nothing to do with
> what
> > the software can do once it is installed.
>
> Forget the reference to bin (a really dirt simple install method that
likely
> predates you a bit).
Guess again.
> However, you nailed it on the head there! Let me repeat you:
>
> > The installation method has nothing to do with what
> > the software can do once it is installed.
>
> So true. And my point. And it doesn't matter who did it either. And
> installs are solely modifications to storage. Just changes to some data
> structures (the file system). So rather than argue those points (which it
> seems we now agree on them) explain why we should describe these
> modifications differently for different target systems? Why the
information
> about how these structures are interrelated is uninteresting past install?
> Why versioning of applications (and their related structural changes)
> doesn't have to be explict? And why should we do installs from within the
> OS? Why not outside the OS where we can manage everything, across
> platforms, in the same way?
> > You are begining to sound like a person how has come up with a half
baked
> > idea to solve a problem that does not exist and is now trying to
convince
> > others that they have a problem so that your can sell them your solution
> for
> > it. Yes sir you have trouble right here in River City!
>
> Well, we do. You might be managing a single system, but I am not.
Guess again.
> And I am
> in the position of having to explain to customers how they are going to
> manage their systems after I have gone to my next job. Or explain to them
> that we have spent three weeks getting an application to work, but we
don't
> have anything to check in to the source code control system. ("We were not
> working on code. It took us three weeks to get X to talk to Y, and for Z
to
> come up configured to point to A through firewall B. We are documenting
it,
> so if something goes wrong, you will be able <cough, look at toes> to
> duplicate what we had to do to make it work. We will check that docuement
> in. >")
Pardon me, but are you admitting that you are a "flim flam man"?
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: It's official, NT beats Linux (?)
Date: Mon, 28 Aug 2000 03:19:50 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said The Ghost In The Machine in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Truckasaurus
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Thu, 24 Aug 2000 10:12:43 GMT
><8o2sei$3ik$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>In article <8mrm4f$kkt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Impartial benchmarks seem to point to NT as far superior...
>>>
>>> http://www.zdnet.com/eweek/stories/general/0,11011,1015266,00.html
>>
>>Gee, great news, dated June 25, 1999, and your posting is dated august 9
>>2000 - is your brain always that fast? How about a benchmark on that?
>
>I personally also have my doubts as to ZDNET being a totally
>impartial authority.
>
>But that's just me. :-)
No, its a lot of other people, too. Even more since this Mindscape
'test' was found to be worthless propaganda, and the later Gartner Group
fiasco.
--
T. Max Devlin
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