Linux-Advocacy Digest #901, Volume #28            Mon, 4 Sep 00 20:13:05 EDT

Contents:
  Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Can you believe this??? (was Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was:  ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: How low can they go...? ("Phil")
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: How low can they go...? ("Simon Cooke")
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.            (Gary Hallock)
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard       
says    Linux growth stagnating
  Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.            (Gary Hallock)
  Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Gary 
Hallock)

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Public v. Private Schools
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:30:39 -0400

Charles Kooy wrote:
> 
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > >
> > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Charles Kooy wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > > Left-wing social causes (global warming
> > > > > > > > > > propaganda)
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Uhm, what precisely is 'left wing' about global warming? I think
> > the
> > > > > > > > > majority of people would refer to it as an issue that concerns
> > > > everyone.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "global warming" is a NON-event that the Left is trying to use to
> > > > > > > > weaken the economies of capitalist economies.
> > > > > > >   ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> > > > > > > Why would the Left want to weaken the economies of non-capitalist
> > > > > > > countries?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Spot the deliberate mis-quote.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ever notice who the non-capitalist countries which sign onto
> > > > > > idiot-pacts like the Kyoto Accords are never called on to
> > > > > > change THEIR production techniques (even though these same
> > > > > > countries put FAR more C02 into the air than western countries
> > > > > > for the same number of goods produced.)
> > > > > >
> > > > > The Kyoto accord was/is fatally flawed in many different ways. Many
> > > > > third world countries consider it unfair that they, who are just
> > > > > developing their industrial infrastructure, should be subject to the
> > > > > same emmission controls that rich countries have set, especially when
> > > > > those rich countries have spent the last 150 years chucking every kind
> > > > > of crap about. That pisses them off because their development may be
> > > > > stifled, as they may not be able to afford the cleaner equipment.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nevertheless, this does not mean that global warming does not exist
> > > >
> > > > Whether global warming exists or not (and the only data that supports
> > > > the conjecture is from weather stations that existed before
> > > > industrialization which are now buried in the middle of local
> > > > concrete-jungle hot-spots.
> > > >
> > > > Temperature data from RURAL weather stations shows ***NO CHANGE***
> > > > for the last 100 years.
> > >
> > > Yet temperatures at the Poles is rising, and there is also a still
> > > growing hole in the Ozone layer (though the latter may, admittedly, be a
> > > natural fluctuation - difficult to judge with the very limited amount of
> >
> > Natural fluctuation...In other words, a NON-ISSUE.
> 
> Please read what I wrote. I wrote 'MAY'. It isn't definite either way.
> We need more data.


It is the HIGHT OF ARROGANCE to consider that man has even a noticable
impact on climate, short of redirecting water and latent-heat flow by
rerouting a river from one body of water to another (like what is being
done in China).


> 
> > Do you know *WHY* the ozone-layer thins over the south pole during
> > the southern-hemisphere winter?
> 
> Yes, I do.
> 
> > 1) Ozone is produced by ultraviolet rays interacting with oxygen
> >       atoms in the upper atmosphere
> 
> Amongs other things

Name one other source in the upper atmosphere.


> 
> > 2) Ozone breaks down over time
> 
> Accelerated by a number of artificially introduced chemicals

The biggest destroyer of ozone is Chlorine....99.95% of which
is introduced into the atmosphere BY THE OCEANS.


Admiral Byrd detected increased UV radiation at the South Pole
around the year 1900.

There is ***ZERO*** data to support the *conjecture* that the
ozone layer is thinner now than it was 100 years ago...let alone
that it is due to the behavior of man.





> 
> > 3) Any airmasss which doesn't get exposed to ultraviolet light
> >       experiences a decrease in ozone levels
> 
> True
> 
> > 4) Each polar region experiences a 90-day "night" during that
> >       hemisphere's winter.
> 
> True
> 
> > QED.
> >
> 
> Actually, I suspect that the factors are rather more complex than that,
> and I'd rather get an atmospheric scientist's opinion on this.


Is chemistry that difficult for you?


> >
> >
> > > historical data available on that particular issue). There is a lot of
> > > ice at the poles. What do you think will happen when that ice starts
> > > melting. Nothing?
> >
> > No such thing is happening.  A 2-mile hole in the cap was cleared by
> > ice-breakers as a PUBLICITY STUNT.  If this were a GENUINE process,
> > then the whole ice cap would have been broken up....not PACKED LIKE
> > A GLACIER as shown in the publicity-stunt photograph.
> 
> Please read what I wrote.  I wrote 'WHEN that ice starts melting'.
> However, icebergs are being seen earlier and in larger quantities than
> in the past. That suggests that something is causing the ice to break
> up.


Shit happens.  In the late 1600's, there was ONE YEAR, which
contemporary
writers called, "The Year Without a Summer" wherein the entire
spring/summer/fall sequence of months had temperatures approximately
20 F degrees (12 C) lower than normal.

How did mankind induce this anomoly, and what did we due to restore
the prevailing climate to normal?

> 
> I've not heard of Icebreakers being used for a publicity stunt. And if

Go find the photos...it's quite obvious that a patch was cleared with
some sort of sea-fencing.  The perimeter of the North Pole "hole"
is clogged with piled-up sheet-ice....indicative of "crop-circle"
shenanigans.


> they had they'd have wandered about bits of frozen sea, not the cap
> itself, because it is several miles thick. Not something that any

Then how come US nuclear subs REGULARLY find hole and surface at
the North Pole???  They have been doing this continously for over
40 years.


> Icebreaker can take on, and it will take an awfully long of time for
> that to melt.

It was either pushed aside by using some sort of "bulldozer method",
or a perimeter gradually expanded by netting while boats outside
the perimeter broke up the sheet-ice.

> > >
> > > >
> > > > Global warming is all about providing an excuse for removing personal
> > > > freedoms, and implementing more socialism as an attempt to keep those
> > > > who are rich and powerful (Kennedys, Rockefellers, Rothchilds, etc.)
> > >
> > > Aha - I see you feel it necessary to single out a Catholic family and
> > > two Jewish ones.
> >
> > Fuck you, racist pig.  Religion has nothing to do with it...Plutocratic
> > behavior does.
> 
> Thank you. You are most charming. One would have to be warped indeed to

I'm just returning your favors, asshole.
If you don't like crap, then don't be dishing it out.


> interpret what I wrote as racist, while it is easy for an impartial
> reader to do so with your words of wisdom.
> 
> >
> > > Do you have a problem with them, or were they just the
> > > first to come to mind?
> >
> > They are the best known wealthy-assholes in these parts.  They are
> > all known for pandering to the poor by promoting legislation that
> > is harmful to anybody trying to improve their own personal economic
> > situation.
> >
> > Socialism is merely a way for the "kings of the mountain" to
> > a) install underground refrigeration to freeze the mountain side, and
> > b) hose down the mountain side with water until it's covered with
> >       a sheet of ice...
> >
> > All at the expense of those on the bottom
> >
> > The quicker you and your friends figure this out, the sooner you
> > will be allowed to KEEP YOUR OWN MONEY.
> 
> I should make clear that I am a capitalist. A gentle one, admittedly,
> but a capitalist nonetheless. And I've plenty of money. Thanks for your
> concern, though.
> 
> > >
> > > > at the top by utterly destroying the means for anybody else to
> > > > rise withing the socio-economic structure.
> > >
> > > Really? How do you explain the increase in the number of
> > > multi-millionaires over the last 40 or so years? They seem to have done
> > > pretty well... Not to mention the substantial growth in the size of the
> > > middle classes since the 1950's, and particularly since the early
> > > 1980's.                              ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> >   ^^^^^^^
> >
> > That corresponds QUITE WELL with Reagan's initiatives to reduce
> > socialism
> 
> This would be the same Reagan who cranked up the US deficit to a quite
> astonishing degree, no? But I was actually thinking of many countries

More typical fucking marxist disinformation bullshit lies.

The president doesn't have the authority to spend a single penny.

Reagan chided congress into lowering taxes.  The economic growth
that ensued caused tidal wave of increased tax revenues...
But the DEMOCRATS (i.e. Marxist socialists) decided that this would
be horrible to let go unmolested, so they INCREASED SPENDING at
such a rate that for every new dollar of tax revenues, the Democrats
enacted THREE dollars of spending increases.






> around the western world - you know, the Scandinavian ones, Germany, The
> Benelux, France, heck, even Italy and Spain. Not just the US.
> 
> Of course, having seen your posts around Usenet (and some of your
> outlandish claims) I know that you consider all of Europe to employ a
> more extreme form of Stalinism as its favoured political system, but
> hey, it doesn't seem to have done them much harm.
> 
> Excuse me, I've just got to go off and polish up my black helicopter and
> get me some running dog capitalist lackeys! ;-)

Strange how the more capitalistic the country, the better it's
economy AND standard of living for ALL citizens is..


> 
> ck


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Can you believe this??? (was Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: 
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:32:33 -0400

"Joe R." wrote:
> 
> In article <8ooln3$282k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Joe R."
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Perhaps if you understood just how important it is for some public
> > >> > debt to be out there you wouldn't be so quick to say pay off all
> > >> > the debt.
> > >> >
> > >> > for starters, us bonds are considered a risk free investment. Now
> > >>
> > >> Only by idiots.  Considering that if you buy government bonds, you
> > >> forfeit the *routine* capital growth in the stock market.  A
> > >> well diversified stock portfolio is MUCH less risky than government
> > >> bonds.
> > >
> > >Depends on your definition of risk, I assume, as well as your time
> > >frame.
> > >
> >
> > Time frame is irrelevant.  with bonds you know the time frame you'll get
> > your money
> > in when you buy the bond.
> 
> True. But as Aaron pointed out, you don't know what the money will be
> worth when you get it back.
> 
> >
> >
> > >But regardless of how you define it, a portfolio with both stocks and
> > >bonds is less risky than 100% of either one.
> > >
> >
> > not true.  risk is whether or not you'll get your money back.
> 
> Depends on your definition.
> 
> Some people define risk more broadly than that.
> 
> If you read any financial magazines, you'll see comments like "the
> 'safest' place to put your money is in an FDIC insured savings account
> at 2% interest. Unfortunately, with inflation averaging greater than
> that, you're taking a greater risk with your money than a more
> 'aggressive' investment.
> 
> That's actually a pretty universal position among investment advisors.
> 
> > not whether or not you'll maintain purchasing power. two different
> > things.
> > especially if you are looking at my statement of govt. bonds being a
> > risk-free investment
> >
> > the reason they are risk free is that you'll get your money. 100% no
> > worries.
> 
> True. But that doesn't negate the fact that most current financial
> advisors go one step further than you have and consider the risk of loss
> of buying power.
> 
> >
> > how about those folks that bought redhat at 300 bucks a share? how are
> > they feeling
> > these days?
> 
> Probably a lot worse than the ones who bought Apple at 12 (before split).
> 
> None of which is relevant. Aaron isn't arguing that bonds are riskier
> than stocks. But you should consider the risk of inflation in your
> investments.


Personally, I hope the asshole puts all of his money in bonds...and
when he gets old, he can rot in the poorhouse for his idiotic beliefs.



-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:41:11 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy; 
>"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
>> 
>> Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>> >On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 23:15:08 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>> >>still so much debate on the subject.  I figure as long as there's
>> >>debate, I can't be out of line in debating it.
>> >
>> >Well apart from your irrelevance, I see no one else flogging this
>> >dead horse ( I say dead horse, because harmony is dead due to lack
>> >of interest, not due to "legal threats" )
>> 
>> Is that why Roberto still gets hate-mail for being part of KDE?
>
>No, it's because of other issues. I can't recall a hate-email
>about harmony or about the alleged threat, actually.

Well, I'll have to point out that's not the way you seem to characterize
it when you first mentioned it to me.  Well, I should say you seem to
characterize it as being in response to your being part of KDE.  Where
you got the idea that I was referring only to messages about harmony and
the alleged threat, I have no idea.

-- 
T. Max Devlin
  -- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
   of events at the time, as I recall.  Consider it.
       Research assistance gladly accepted.  --


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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:33:12 -0400

Jack Troughton wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 2 Sep 2000 22:13:38, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> 
> >> >That's certainly one interpretation, but is subject to question at the
> >> >low end of the scale. If you're earning minimum wage, you're getting the
> >> >LEAST the employer can get away with. If they could get away with less,
> >> >they probably would.
> >>
> >> Good point.
> >>
> >
> >And yet, around Detroit, even part-time burger flippers are getting
> >50% OVER minimum wage AND insurance AND 401k plans.
> >
> >Why is that?
> 
> Hazard pay... it IS Detroit, after all :)

I'm talking EVERYWHERE....

Not IN Detroit....AROUND Detroit.


> 
> --
> ----------------------------------------------------------
> * Jack Troughton              jake at jakesplace.dhs.org *
> * http://jakesplace.dhs.org     ftp://jakesplace.dhs.org *
> * Montréal PQ Canada           news://jakesplace.dhs.org *
> ----------------------------------------------------------


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642

I: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

J: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: "Jeem" Dutton is a fool of the pathological liar sort.

C: Jet plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a method of
   sidetracking discussions which are headed in a direction
   that she doesn't like.
 
D: Jet claims to have killfiled me.

E: Jet now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (D) above.

F: Neither Jeem nor Jet are worthy of the time to compose a
   response until their behavior improves.

G: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

H:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Phil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 19:31:27 -0400


"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said JS/PL in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>    [...]
> >No...your not familiar with the pricing because the easiest thing you
could
> >do would be to write the "cliff edge" price difference that you falsely
> >claim is the reason OEM's were forced to buy per processor licence deals.
>
> I never said or hinted that OEM's were forced to accept ppl deals.  That
> isn't what makes ppl deals illegal.

Then what exactly did you mean when you said:

"Yes, we know cliff's-edge pricing made it
cheaper for them to buy 120% Windows instead of 99% Windows; that's the
point."

If "WE" know that - what was the pricing? It's that simple, you made the
statement "cliffs-edge" pricing. So you must know what the prices were, even
a rough figure will do....otherwise your pulling shit out of your ass and
trying to pass it off as fact (lying).

http://www.microsoft.com/SERVERS/proclic.htm





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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:44:03 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy; 
>"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
   [...]
>> You're confabulating, as Eirik did, the idea of TT suing on anti-trust
>> grounds,
>
>Where do you get the idea of TT suing on antitrust grounds????
>The only sue involved here is a copyright violation one.

'Embrace and extend' is an anti-trust issue, not a copyright issue.
That is the point.  It gets around copyright by treating it as a patent
that can be made obsolete, essentially.  Its monopolization, not
infringement.  It has nothing to do with copyright infringement.

   [...]
>My children (if they exist), are probably doing just fine.

Oh, christ.  You are *so* pathetic.

-- 
T. Max Devlin
  -- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
   of events at the time, as I recall.  Consider it.
       Research assistance gladly accepted.  --


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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:45:25 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy; 
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió:
>> 
>> Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> 
>> > They don't. And anyone can clone it. And if they sue the cloner,
>> > as long as the cloner didn't do anything illegal, the cloner will
>> > win. Big deal.
>> 
>> Unless the cloner does not have enough money to fight back.  Then the one
>> who is in the right would lose and possibly be made destitute in the
>> process.
>
>Well, that is hardly TT's fault, is it?

It doesn't matter if it is.

>By the same token, anyone else could sue you for any reason and
>you would become just as destitute. If so, why single out TT?

By the same token, we aren't.

-- 
T. Max Devlin
  -- Such is my recollection of my reconstruction
   of events at the time, as I recall.  Consider it.
       Research assistance gladly accepted.  --


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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 23:52:27 GMT


"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Zenin in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >: "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >snip<
> >:> No shit.  Competing is much easier said than done.  Superior product
is
> >:> much easer said than done.  Business acumen is much easier said than
> >:> done.  Deal with it.
> >:
> >: How about you write us something along the lines of photoshop... or
even
> >: solitaire. Make it completely portable. And why not at the same time
> >: explain how easy or not it was to do. Because unless *YOU* do it, it
looks
> >: like you've got a damn big opinion on you, and you're not going to
accept
> >: anyone else's experience to the contrary.
> >
> > Hmm, Gimp anyone?
>
> I don't program, I don't call myself a programmer, and I don't feel I
> need to in order to expect programmers to compete for business, just
> like everybody else.

So you don't understand the complexities of supporting 6 different OS's, the
costs involved, and how much work that would be with today's applications?

Then QUIT SUGGESTING THAT IT WOULD BE EASY, OR "DEALABLE WITH".

The software companies decide who they want to support. It's their choice.
Not yours. If you want to start a software company supporting six different
OS's, then it's your business -- feel free.

Simon



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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:53:23 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           

"T. Max Devlin" wrote:

> The statement has to be false, but the slanderer doesn't have to be
> lying?  So, in other words, you've just slandered me, because it is
> false that I am a sex offender, and it doesn't matter that your are or
> are not lying when you say that?

What Donovan is said correct.   And since what he said is true, he did not
slander you.   Just in case you missed it, there was an "if" at the beginning of
his sentence.   He did not accuse you of being a sex offender.

> IOW, your attempt to say that since
> you are ignorant of my putative record, you have a right to call me a
> sex offender, is an attempt to use ignorance in defense of slander?
>

Hu??  Donovan said no such thing.  He said ignorance is not a defense for
slander.

>
> I'm getting a headache.
>

I'm sorry about that.  It is really quite simple.

Gary



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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           Ballard 
      says    Linux growth stagnating
Date: Mon, 4 Sep 2000 16:46:45 -0700
Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Roberto Alsina in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >"T. Max Devlin" escribió:
> >>
> >> Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
> >> >On Sat, 02 Sep 2000 21:49:25 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
> >> >>>     Matthias pretty much says so in the current Linux Gazzette.
> >> >>
> >> >>And who is Matthias?
> >> >
> >> >Ignoramus. Why don't you leave the debating to those who know
something
> >> >about the topic at hand ?
> >>
> >> How about you just answer the question, instead?
> >
> >How about you bother going to www.kde.org and look at the credits page?
> >That should narrow it down a bit.
>
> Which page would that be?  Could you narrow it down a bit?

Since Roberto and Donovan still won't give you the answer to your question,
permit me.  The Matthias that was mentioned is Matthias Ettrich, founder of
the KDE project and Trolltech employee.



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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 19:55:32 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E.           

"T. Max Devlin" wrote:

>
>
> Which page would that be?  Could you narrow it down a bit?

http://www.kde.org/gallery/index.html

Gary


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Date: Mon, 04 Sep 2000 20:00:23 -0400
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)

"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:

>
>
> The stupidity of the typical American due to our horrendous public
> schools
>

Nope.  The stupidity of some people who believe everything they see on TV.

Gayr


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