Linux-Advocacy Digest #952, Volume #28 Wed, 6 Sep 00 12:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: How low can they go...? ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: How low can they go...? ("Christophe Ochal")
Re: Computer and memory (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451794 (Edwin)
Re: iMacs With iTitude (Bill Vermillion)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: Computer and memory (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Re: Mandrake users: Don't try this at home! (2:1)
Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform (Eric Remy)
Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: iMacs With iTitude (Matthias Warkus)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.society.anarchy,alt.atheism,talk.politics.misc
Subject: Re: Open lettor to CommyLinux Commy's, and all other commy's to.
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 14:59:45 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] () wrote:
> Tim Palmer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : Its' Labar day now and every Commy-loving Lie-nux Commy and his dog
> : that cappitollists
>
> [...]
>
> Bartender! I'll have one of those!
>
Friends don't let friends post drunk.
(apologies to MADD)
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Before you buy.
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:13:15 +0200
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Christophe Ochal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >snip<
> :> It's not a question of cost, it's a question of risk. The MPAA uses
DVD
> :> encoding to artificially restrict access as they see fit. No matter
what
> :> you might offer to license their encoding, if your use or intentions
> :> might in any way jeopardize their enforcement of such restrictions, you
> :> will not get a license.
> :
> : So if i were to call them up for a licence for a closed source player
for
> : linux they haven't got a reason to refuse, if they do object it means
they
> : have *other* interrests in blocking linux
>
> Who are you? Why should the MPAA trust you, contract or not?
I'm Christophe, Nice to meet ya :)
They MPAA don't need to trust me, the info needed to bring out a player
exists on the 'net already, but atleast the player would be legal then, and
not some hack made to annoy them (i'm pretty sure that there are already
such ilegal players out there, not that i consider them ilegal tho)
> They have plenty of reason not to trust you, simply because they
> have no reason *to* trust you.
Well, if i were to break a contract then they have valid reasons to sue my
to the ground, i don't see why they would refuse to licence to a small
company, they should have valid reasons *not to* licence it, not just
because *i don't trust you* reasoning.
(Don't worry, i have nor the money, nor the programming skills to do this
anyway)
Amon_Re
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:00:54 +0200
D'Arcy Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
%Dst5.10201$[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Ecrt5.903$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > So if i were to call them up for a licence for a closed source player
for
> > linux they haven't got a reason to refuse, if they do object it means
they
> > have *other* interrests in blocking linux
>
> > Hmm...
>
> You have to pretend (or not depending on your situation) that you
> have enough $$$ for the license as well.
Can i borrow some of you? ^_^
I really wonder just how high their fee would be...
Can't you make a lawsuit against to high licence fees? :)
Amon_Re
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From: "Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 16:59:33 +0200
Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schreef in berichtnieuws
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Christophe Ochal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Zenin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >snip<
> :> : Also, i find it a violation of human rights that they wish to keep
> :> : something out of the public, expecially since there are laws that say
> :> : that reverse engeneering is allowed in order to be compatable with
said
> :> : program/data (in Belgium anyway)
> :>
> :> The issues are mostly in the US, which has exceptionally brain damaged
> :> ideas on computer law and IP. The US allows companies to
> :
> : ROFL
> :
> :> *patent* fundamental laws of nature and mathematics (algorithms),
> :
> : And you guys accept that??
>
> Not willingly.
>
> The tech guys typically think it's patheticly stupid.
> The suits think it's the best thing since sliced bread.
Typicall....
> Remember, attorneys in this country mostly make money from fighting
> each other and billing it to their clients. The US is sue happy;
> everyone wants something for nothing, and the attorneys' milk us for
> it all the way to the bank.
I never understood you guys... it's like those lawsuits against sigarette
makers, they know it's bad for their health, yet, they smoke, they get ill,
and *then* sue the comanies.... Anyone wants some logic? ^_^
How come you guys are so sue happy anyway?
> :> which is really all the DVD encoding methods are and thus why the MPAA
> :> can make such a big stink about it.
> :
> : IOW, if *I* were to make a player based on DeCSS they can't do shit
about
> : it? Or can they?
>
> No idea. I'm not sure how international patents, copyrights, and
> trade secret laws hold on this kind of issue.
Hmm.... maybe i should give it a go <Grin>
Amon_Re
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:17:03 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>
>"Christophe Ochal" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:Z26t5.782$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> It's not us European's fault that M$ *NEEDS* such big patches & SP's.
>> BTW, are we being arrogant today?
>
>Man, I can't believe the gul of you guys to sit here and call me arrogant
>when you guys make posts like:
>
>"Chad, there are other people in the world besides americans."
>
>" Thank god for that! Can you imagine what a mess the world would be
>otherwise?"
>
>What would it be like? We wouldn't have any whiny lazy bitching talking
>heads that seem to think _I'M_ the arrogant one. That's just for starters...
>The world would be far more productive and technologically advanced for
>second. Shall I go on?
My god. Do you really think that Americans aren't lazy
bitching people that claim others are arrogant? I'm an
American, and I try not to be, but by god I see enough
people being arrogant and claiming others are (because
they disagree apparently) during a normal day to make me
want to puke. (Case in point!)
>
>Now, to address your ignorant "It's not us European's fault..." remark.
>
>I never said it was Europe's fault. You guys were the ones bitching
>about it. There's no reason to bitch. None. Downloading RedHat Linux
>is a 1+ GB adventure. No one's complaining about that. How is MS
>different in this regards? Everyone has hefty downloads now, MS
>is not alone. Save your biased, ignorant remarks for some other
>clueless Eurotrash twit.
Jesus, and you claim they are bitchy.
>
>If you don't like having metered Internet access, don't blame MS
>for big downloads, blame your lousy government for not getting on
>the ball and helping your country catch up with the rest of the
>world. Yes, you are far behind everyone else. Stop bitching and
>do something about it.
You actually think that the world would be a better place
if "America the great" was in charge. 90% of our general
population right now is composed of arrogant, holier than
thou, bullshit artists that think the world should 'grow
up'. The other 10% just sit there and bitch because the
90% are such moronic idiots that they actually believe by
bitching and complaining they can change the rest of the
world. Then there's that little percent (well below
.0000001%) that just sits back, laughs at how ridiculous
the entire farce of 'the great United States' has become
and hopes they can save up enough money to get out.
People like you make me sorry I'm an American. Oh well,
at least I don't have to listen to you bitching anymore.
*PLONK!* You are one arrogant, bigoted prick. I hope you
enjoy your bitterness.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Edwin)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451794
Date: 6 Sep 2000 15:18:26 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote in
<Tfst5.22888$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
[snip of a bunch of crap]
Pardon me for intruding, but aren't you ever going to get tired of this
bullshit you keep posting, Dr. Tholen? Doesn't a man with your level of
education have anything worthwhile to post, or anything worthwhile to do
with his time? I ask for information only.
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Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Vermillion)
Subject: Re: iMacs With iTitude
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 14:57:30 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Tom Elam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:06:06 GMT, Tom Elam wrote this reply to
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Volcania: The Volcano God):
>>But Microsoft's has had its time. More and more people are becoming
>>more and more skilled as we speak. Soon, there will be no need for a
>>beginner's operating system. People will cry out for an OS that gives
>>them the freedom to control their own world, to do what they want, how
>>they want, they way they want. They will not be prepared to spend
>>their hard-earned money filling someone else's pockets, they will be
>>prepared to do it themselves, they will learn to build operating
>>systems for themselves, how to write their own software.
>Man, are you out of touch or what. 99% of the people on this planet
>never have, and want to, see a single line of source code.
Well the remaining 1% is a target market of 50,000,000 people :-)
That's a decent sized niche market :-)
[figuring 5 billion on the planet now. Now 99% of computer users
is probably a more reasoanble figure. All in fun here.]
--
Bill Vermillion - bv @ wjv . com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: 6 Sep 2000 15:27:30 GMT
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 03:44:29 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>And a wrapper library to map or otherwise handle the difference between Qt
>>and GTK could be used to speed the initial conversion of programs dependent
>>on Qt to GTK. After that the programmers could perform the final conversion
>>at their leisure.
>
>'Could' seems an awfully big stretch, TBH. We're supposed to be
>considering market realities, not theoretical capabilities.
If you want to consider "market realities" for a change, consider this one --
A succesful clone of a GUI toolkit on Linux would be an unprecedented
event. The "market reality" here is that you just don't get working
toolkit clones. And the fact that no such clone exists in this instance
has more to do with technical difficulties than it has to do with
"conspiracies".
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Nathaniel Jay Lee)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Computer and memory
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:27:49 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Christophe Ochal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spoke thusly:
>You guys are no worse or better then Europeans, Asians or whatever, live
>with it
Actually, the thing these idiots seem to have forgotten is
that most of us (Americans, other than Native Americans,
and even them if you go back far enough) are Europeans,
Asians, Africans and whatever else. The US was 'founded'
on the principles of tolerance. Yes, sometimes that
tolerance slipped. But I would say in our 'enlightened'
age, we ought to be able to just accept that other people
aren't automatically 'the enemy'. We're all the same. We
all have to put up with stupid government policies. We
all have governments that occassionally make the right
choice. And democracy (or is that Democracy here in the
US) isn't the be-all end-all of human existance. It has
its bright spots (as most governmental forms do), and it
certainly has its ugly spots, as the morons in this forum
clearly show on a daily basis.
Is my anger apparent yet? Being an American, and seeing
other Americans try to say that 'we are superior' is
enough to make me want to slit my wrists. But I would
settle for them shutting up (which I know also won't
happen).
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nathaniel Jay Lee
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake users: Don't try this at home!
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 15:19:46 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Wed, 6 Sep 2000 00:38:26 +0100, Tim Cain
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >Try dragging and dropping "/dev/mem" into the
> > >"advanced editor"!!!
>
> > I get a box that says "you do not have permission to read this
file".
> > Maybe that's because I'm not running as root? If you are running as
> > root, or the perms of /dev/mem are wrong, well, then that could be
bad.
>
> Similar thing here, under Mandrake. Just did cat /dev/mem --
> Permission denied. That figures:
>
> [frogguy@localhost frogguy]$ ls -al /dev/mem
> crw-r----- 1 root kmem 1, 1 May 5 1998
> /dev/mem
>
> The subject line should have been: "Linux users: Don't try this as
> root!"
> I'm sure there are lots of other things not to try, involving
> /dev/zero
> for instance (yes, I'm learning, slowly -- no, I haven't done anything
> with /dev/zero, just come across a big DON'T).
Here's a pointelss one:
cat /dev/zero | head -c10M > bigfile
mkfs.ext2 bigfile
mkdir /tmp/1
mount bigfile /tmp/1 -t loop=/dev/loop1
cd /tmp/1
etc...
Or, even better. *guarnteed* to crash even the most stable linux system
(as root):
cat /dev/zero > /dev/kmem
Or, for hours of fun and lots of zeros:
od -v /dev/zero
The list goes on and on...
Personally, I always find
cat /dev/random > /dev/hda1
a good laff!
> Whare ar yew, Tymb, dshust wen wie knead ue toot hell uss
> Lie-nux suxx bygg thyme? Cumb bakc!
Tymb Parma iss too mutuar too posd sily mesijis tu a Lixnu nooz
gwoop. ispecily a advokisy nuuz gwoop.
Seriously, though, that guy really cracks me up. I laugh out loud at
most of his posts. They're so bloody funny! I *love* the way he spells
'Lixnu'! Do you think the spelling thing is automated, making him
not too dim, but very bored, or does he just get kicks from typing wierd
messages? He's more entertaining then the average troll.
-Ed
--
BBC Computer 32K
Acorn DFS
Basic
>*MAIL ku.ca.xo.gne@rje98u (backwards, if you want to talk to me)
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From: Eric Remy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Inferior Engineering of the Win32 Platform - was Re: Linsux as a desktop
platform
Date: Wed, 06 Sep 2000 11:31:37 -0400
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, aflinsch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>Eric Remy wrote:
>
>> You know, I've never seen W2K crash due to anything other than an easily
>> traced hardware problem. (I.e., bad driver, overclocked, etc.)
>
>Exactly how is a bad driver a hardware problem?
Ok, fine. "...easily traced problem associated with hardware."
Basically, I've never seen W2K crash due to a fault caused by W2K or a
user-land app running on W2K and not faulty hardware or bad driver. For
example, W2K would die horribly on my ASUS A7V MB if I put the HD on the
second IDE controller. Bug in W2K? No- known bug in the BIOS: an
update from ASUS fixed the problem. I don't count these, since they
aren't the fault of the OS. I'm sure I'll see a real bug sooner or
later though- I don't believe that any OS is crashproof.[1]
[1] The only OS I've used that has never crashed has been VMS. Even
AIX, which I rate at the same level stability wise, crashed endlessly
and reproducably on any large file transfer when we got some new RS/6k
models a few years back. (It wa a combination software and hardware
problem- you know you've got a major issue when IBM devotes half a dozen
people to fixing the bug.)
--
Eric Remy. Chemistry Learning Center Director, Virginia Tech
"I don't like (quantum mechanics), | How many errors can
and I'm sorry I ever had anything | you find in my X-Face?
to do with it."- Erwin Schrodinger |
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Anonymous Wintrolls and Authentic Linvocates - Re: R.E. Ballard
says Linux growth stagnating
Date: 6 Sep 2000 15:45:06 GMT
On Wed, 06 Sep 2000 03:42:10 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 00:16:29 -0400, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>>Said Gary Hallock in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>>
>>>>Hu?? Donovan said no such thing. He said ignorance is not a defense for
>>>>slander.
>>>
>>>You moron, he said I'm a sex offender, while pretending not to. How
>>>stupid are you?
>>
>>No, I didn't. I'm not sure whether you're really this dumb, or whether
>>you are using a cheap diversionary tactic to get away from the main
>>point --
>
>I'm dumb? Gary posts 'Max is a sex offender', and you don't notice it,
>and you think *I'm* dumb?
Yeah, I think you are incredibly dumb here. Clue: I was the first to
post the hypothetical in question, moron.
>>the main point being that ignorance is not a defence against libel.
>
>The main point was to have a pretense to say "Max is a sex offender". I
>though we went over that, already.
No, the main point wasn't that, and you are an arrogant clown for having
the nerve to tell me what my motives where. ( not to mention the fact that
your reading comprehension is abysmal )
I know perfectly well what I meant, and you do not.
>>Instead of debating this issue, you are pursuing an irrelevant line of
>>argument.
>
>This isn't a line of argument; it is the relevant truth, there is no
>debate. Gary used a pretense to say "Max is a sex offender", and you're
>trying to defend him.
I was the first person to use the hypothetical, so your attack
against Gary is completely baseless.
>The fact that he was doing so while chasing up a baseless charge brought
>by a dishonest person in response to my statement, which was not only
>true within the context I said it, but who's truth in that context was
>being specifically and disingenuously denied by that same dishonest
>person, is irrelevant.
That sentence is incomprehensible, Max.
>The only topic of discussion right now is the observation of the glaring
>truth that Gary used a pretense to say "Max is a sex offender."
It's a glaring falsehood, Max. If you want to make personal attacks,
at least do so without resorting to lies.
>take a lot of reading comprehension to read the words "Max is a sex
>offender" and notice that just about an infinite number of other
>'examples' would have sufficed quite a bit better.
I thought that my example was just fantastic -- it really hit a nerve
and made my point that "ignorance is not a valid defence against libel".
Instead of admitting that you lost the argument though, it seems that you
have proceeded with this irrelevant an illogical line to draw attention
away from the fact that you lost.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: iMacs With iTitude
Date: Wed, 6 Sep 2000 17:46:22 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sun, 03 Sep 2000 21:06:06 GMT...
...and Volcania: The Volcano God <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Linux is not aimed at that type of user,
That's a foolish statement. Linux is not aimed at any kind of user.
It hasn't got a target group. That's because Linux isn't a product.
> Linux users are hungry for challenges, they
> want to construct it themselves, how they want it to be. Brought
> together by a common goal: to produce the Ultimate Operating system,
> and provide it to the people for next to nothing.
Huh? No. I just want a working computer. That's why I use Linux.
> Linux is not a private, commercial OS, it is a revolutionary mission,
> to take computing out of the hands of the large companies and
> capitalist, and into the hands of the people of the 21st century.
Are you really naive enough to believe that an operating system can be
a political movement? Linux just is.
> Microsoft has done good for the computing world. It has brought
> computers to the ordinary citizens, those who are not skilled with
> computers, and given them the chance to experience the world of
> computing and the Internet.
Nonsense. Bullshit. Without Microsoft, we'd have something like cheap
Suns or SGIs or maybe even Macs on our desktops. Microsoft did not
play any kind of key role or have any new ideas, they just happened to
suck up most of the market.
> Software will not be bought from the shops from large companies. It
> will be programmed in every home,
I don't know whether I want that particular kind of vision to come
true...
[warlording signature]
Uh-oh.
mawa
--
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Rastplatzbenutzer!
Rechtsschutzversicherer!
Rentenfondsinvestor!
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