Linux-Advocacy Digest #952, Volume #31 Sun, 4 Feb 01 03:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
("Ayende Rahien")
Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft (Wade Masshardt)
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Uptime crap on Windows 2000? Nope....LINsUX lies ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: My open-source quote ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is a fad? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is a fad? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: My open-source quote (Dan Hinojosa)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Kyle Jacobs")
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
does) )
Date: Sun, 4 Feb 2001 08:49:38 +0200
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote
> > on Thu, 01 Feb 2001 23:31:04 -0500
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> > >>
> > >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Giuliano Colla
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> wrote
> > >> on Mon, 29 Jan 2001 01:27:15 GMT
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > >> >Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:952c93$hk7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > >>> Key word here is "good"
> > >> >> > >>>
> > >> >> > >>
> > >> >> > >>When that's the keyword, MS crap falls out of the picture.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > > Tell that to the 95 percent of the world that is using MS.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Oh. Its the best because everyone uses it.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Thats some argument youve got there.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The road less traveled is less traveled for a reason genius.
> > >> >
> > >> >The reason is called "monopolization". And its illegal.
> > >>
> > >> Not sure about monopolization being illegal per se. It's abuse
> > >> of monopoly power that is illegal, as I understand it; Microsoft
> > >> is damned good at abuse. :-)
> > >
> > >In Microsoft's case, they also committed illegal acts (obstruction
> > >of trade) to GAIN monopoly status as well.
> >
> > Then that would presumably make Microsoft an illegal monopoly,
> > as opposed to just a monopoly. This makes sense.
> >
> > How we fix that, I'm not sure. Ideally, Microsoft would self-destruct
> > and Linux would take over the desktop. (One can dream. :-) )
> > More realistically, I could see Microsoft being split into two parts:
> > Microsoft/OS and Microsoft/App. At some point, Microsoft/App may have
> > to port to Linux (it should be possible; IE already runs on Solaris,
> > for example).
> >
> > This may even work to Microsoft/App's advantage. As for Microsoft/OS,
> > dunno.
>
> the OS spin-off will be forced to write quality code...and since APP will
> be able to live or die WITHOUT OS (since they *WILL* have a financial
> interest, which will make the Board of Directors have a LEGAL OBLIGATION
> to seek to profits, and thus to port the APPS to UNIX/Linux).
APPS will simply create their own OS, it'll be called .NET
Windows OS will just happen to have the most efficent .NET implentation (by
a factor of 10 or so)
Nothing much will change.
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From: Wade Masshardt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 00:58:39 -0600
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Shumway, Gordon"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Quotes from article:
>
>--------------
>There really isn't much value in free," said Miller, who also contends
>that the latest release of the Linux kernel, 2.4, doesn't have the
>features required for widespread business use.
>-------------
>and
>
>----------------
>Miller also said that Microsoft believes that "in the rush to get on the
>enterprise bandwagon," the new Linux kernel lacks some of the key
>elements required for enterprise use.
>
>"Based on the warnings from the developers and confusing messages from
>the distributors, it is clear the long-heralded 2.4 Linux kernel is a
>long way from being ready for business use," said Miller. "The kernel is
>just the beginning, still raw technology."
>-----------------
>
>What does a kernel have to do with business use. Is he just throwing
>out buzzwords at random?
There is wordstuff flowing from his ass to his mouth. I forget where I
heard that.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 07:12:06 GMT
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:76Yd6.340$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "meow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
> > THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
> > iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
> > MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
>
> While I disagree that Linux could possibly harm an LCD screen, I do agree
> with you on one point.
>
> Monitors and Video cards have supported automatic identificaiton of
monitor
> capabilities for years. Why doesn't Linux support this?
Xconfigurator does and has for quite some time.
Mandrake's installer does and has ever since they opted for graphical
installs
Educate yourself before posing such questions...
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Uptime crap on Windows 2000? Nope....LINsUX lies
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:14:57 -0500
"--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
>
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?site=www2.marketwatch.com
55-day moving average... under 10 days.
PRETTY FUCKING PATHETIC.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:16:28 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Peter Köhlmann wrote:
> > >
> > > Ralph Miguel Hansen wrote:
> > > > I got TWO seats on my open-source-OS (bash and KDE) and my bicycle has got
> > > > two wheels compared to the one very little wheel M$ has.
> > > >
> > > Which isn't round to boot.
> > > Roundness is a concept not yet thought of at MS.
> > > So one is constantly on a quite bumpy ride.
> >
> > Microsoft Wheel 5.0
> > Now with *EIGHT* sides.
> >
>
> Well if they keep adding sides with each release, the wheel will tend to
> round as time tends to infinity.
But it will *ALWAYS* be an M$ poor-mans *approximation* of the Real THING.
> Sure is a long time to wait though...
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:17:10 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "--==<( Jeepster )>==--" wrote:
> >
> > I shall expand the list for you.....
> >
> > Sinclair Microdrives (UK tape alternatives to floppies in the 80's)
> >
> > Sinclair C5
> >
> > TV-AM
> >
> > Peter Mandleson MP
> >
> > all are like LINsUX, almost good, but fall at the last jump where it really
> > counts.
>
> The Sinclair Microdrive was a good idea, but floppies rapidly became a
> better answer to the probblem.
>
> The C5 is most likely going to go down in history as a revolutionary
> idea, especially when we run out of oil!
>
> Mandleson is a prat.
>
> TV-AM was NEVER, AT ALL, IN NO WAY WHATSOEVER, EVEN CLOSE TO
> GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11
What was TV-AM ??
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:20:37 -0500
Karel Jansens wrote:
>
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> >
> > > No. Pre-emptive multi-tasking is basically a REQUIREMENT for system
> > > stability...it's not a guarantee...but you'll NEVER have a stable
> > > system without it.
> >
> > More hot air from the orifice of the great and wonderful AK. About as bad
> > as his spurious requirement that application writers need to know how a
> > system scheduler works.
> >
> > Of course, it flies in the face of the fact that the Archimedes worked
> > perfectly well for years, though it never quite survived the test of time
> > (due simply to marketing, not due to the system).
> >
>
> I would say that multitasking is actually a sure-fire recipe for
> disaster.
Only if you have lousy memory protection, like *cough* lose-blows *cough*
*cough*...
> In fact, the only computer that can be guaranteed to be
> indefinitely stable is one that only runs one program and has no input
> facilities (*). I'm sure there is a mathematical proof for this.
Regardless... Cooperative multi-tasking with 3rd-party software is
inherently unstable. It puts the app writer in a position of having
to 'play by the rules' rather than putting the OS in charge of
setting and enforcing the rules.
>
> Multitasking is handy, but it doesn't make the computer's job any
> easier.
>
> Regards,
>
> Karel Jansens
>
> (*) Even more stable, obviously, is the computer without an ON-switch,
> but that model - briefly pioneered by IBM in 1981 - never really
> cought on.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is a fad?
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:23:30 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> J Sloan wrote:
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > > On 3 Feb 2001 04:04:11 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (David
> > > Steinberg) wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >Your definition of "standard" is "whatever Microsoft is doing this
> > > >week." Real standards, including USB, are supported by Linux.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > I can take my USB scanner, printer and camera and move them from my
> > > Windows PC right over to my iMac and they work fine.
> > >
> > > They don't, however work under Linux.
> >
> > I think I'll get a usb scanner this weekend and
> > hook it up to my main Linux system. If flatfish
> > claims it doesn't work under Linux, that's just
> > about convinces me that it will work just fine.
> >
> > You see, flatfish doesn't understand what he's
> > doing or why. He's beside himself with rage
> > over the fact that Linux is gaining in popularity,
> > that no matter how frantically he fuds, people
> > are ignoring him and trying Linux - and liking
> > it a lot.
> >
> > jjs
>
> I think it's a case of "the power of suggestion". Flatfish is so
> convinced that USB will never work under Linux, he subconsiously gets it
> wrong.
Personally, I think he bought Microsoft stock at $125, and he thinks that
without a super-sized mound of FUD, M$ will never stop their downward
slide in the stock market until maybe, say, $10/share.
This is the ONE item upon which Flathead and I agree.
> --
> http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS executives at LinuxWorld Expo
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:29:49 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> The Ghost In The Machine <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : I'm not sure what "earth-shattering" technological innovations there
> : are in Windows code, but I doubt Win2k has that many, either.
> : (Hint to the clueless out there: saving a backup copy of a DLL,
> : letting the installer install a new version, checking it, then restoring
> : the backup copy if something goes wrong is hardly "earth-shattering". :-)
> : Nice to have, perhaps, in light of DLL hell, though -- if it works.)
>
> Not very handy when DLL upgrades are nested on top of each other, through.
> Old, working DLL (1) gets overwritted by flaky vendor-supplied DLL (2),
> and shortly after that a second flaky vendor-supplied DLL (3) is put on,
> and now all you have is the two vendor-supplied DLLs (2 and 3), and your
> old, working one (1) is gone.
"Out of the frying pan, into the other frying pan"
--Nigel Planer as Neil (on The Young Ones)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: NTFS Limitations (Was: RE: Red hat becoming illegal?)
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 02:33:18 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:95e2ua$251$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Chad Myers wrote in message ...
> > >
> > >"David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:95bv3o$3ga$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> Chad Myers wrote in message
> > <0Wde6.602$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> >No, quotas have been around for NT for years.
> > >> >Save the lies.
> > >>
> > >> I am curious about the disk quotas on NT - we have NT 4.0 Server at the
> > >> office, and I can find no mention of disk quotas anywhere in the help
> > files,
> > >> or in any of the administrative tools. In fact, the only mention I
> find
> > of
> > >> the word "quota" is that in order to use the SU program (a utility to
> let
> > >> you change to another user in a command box - it is very limited, but
> > >> nonetheless essential for administrating NT - why you have to buy it as
> > part
> > >> of the NT Resource kit is beyond me), a user has to have the "Increase
> > >> Quotas" account priviledge.
> > >
> > >There are very good 3rd party implementations of Quotas. He never said
> that
> > >they had to be built into the OS, he just said NT 4.0 doesn't have
> quotas,
> > >which is a lie. Win2K has them built in, that's the only difference.
> > >
> >
> >
> > So quota management is one of these few extra utilities that Linux has but
> > you have to buy third-party for NT? Or go for W2K, which is gradually
> > catching up with the unix world in regards to these minor, extra utilites.
> >
> > I am disappointed - I may have used quotas if they were available on NT 4
> > (hidden functionality is not available - saying NT doesn't have quotas is
> > factually wrong but effectively true).
>
> Get used to it.
> To count only unused features of NTFS alone:
> Hard links
Unix, early 1970's
> Rephrase points
Please translate from M$-gibberish into common industry-standard terms.
> Streams
Unix, 1978.
>
> Three *very* useful features, rendered useless because there are either no
> API to manipulate them (in the case of streams) or no userland level tools
Streams can be easily imitated through the use of sockets.
> to use them. (Not that it's that hard to create one, it's the principle that
> matter.)
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Dan Hinojosa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: My open-source quote
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 00:32:48 -0700
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Try taking removing your head from your rectum, and it might go better.
>
>
> And your fingers smell funny every time you go to the bathroom and
> wipe without toilet paper....
>
> ...and, based on your own touching biography, something of an idiot.
>
Oh, you must be a ladies man, you don't have many family and friend
pictures on your desk do you? I'll stop here because you are not one to
carry a semi-intellectual conversation without you resorting to
stupidity. Actually, it is my fault for starting a conversation with you
with out checking the lack of responses you get with previous posts,
seems like people avoid you like the village idiot.
Laters.
Dan
------------------------------
From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2001 07:31:02 GMT
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Apple did more. It cannot be denied that MacOS is easier to use
> > than windows, and much easier to learn.
>
> I disagree. I have stated over and over, easier to learn and easier to use
are
> different things.
Sorry, I think Apple's Finder interface was WAY easier to "muddle through"
than Windows Explorer ever was.
> The Mac (and Windows) are very hard to use. You have to do many repetitive
> steps, you have to learn a whole new language of pictures. Where as a
command
> line system uses language skills which we humans have developed over eons,
in
> favor of the pictographic expressions for the purpose of simplification.
No one
> argues that a graphic system is well suited for graphic applications, but
> logical tasks require words not mice.
You're assuming that GUI=Less functionality. It does ONLY when the GUI is
done improperly. "Logical tasks" as you put them are performed just as well
under a GUI interface as a console, but it's just different. "Veterens"
prefer the console because they HAD NO CHOICE when they learnt. Some of us
learnt the GUI and got over the console, and even found the superiority of
the GUI. After all, when we see cave drawings, we don't often see "words"
we see pictographs.
Hence, which do you assoicate as more intuitive?
> For most people, the GUI is simply how applications are launched, and
> directories (folders) are managed.
>
> Almost every single OS on the market supports this capability.
Linux has yet to provide a GUI that COULD totaly eradicate the console &
console operations. XFree86 doesn't do "total integration" very well,
neither do the plethora of subordinate UI's.
> Once in applications, most people have to memorize pictures for functions,
and
> if possible turn of the pictures, and revert to words. In the next version
of
> the application, the pictures change confusing the users. This is not easy
to
> use, hell it isn't easy to "relearn."
>
> Like lemmings, people are convinced that GUI environments are easier.
There is
> no changing this, unfortunately, but we as thinking people need not accept
the
> status quo as truth if we observe differently. That, in fact, may be the
first
> step.
This argument is getting old. The future of computing is a GUI, not a
console. Linux is "Getting with" this concept, but not very fast, and I
think the public eye has a short attention span.
> > > Linux on the other hand seems to want to turn the clock back on
> > > computing and put us back in the early 1990's again.
>
> The harsh reality is that Windows 9x and ME want to keep the clocks in the
70's
> and NT wants to move them to the 80's.
I hear this argument too. Windows NT blew the doors off everything prior,
even with it's many, many drawbacks. But as a workstation platform, it was
unmatched. (I STILL wouldn't use it as a server) Linux just can't hold a
candle to Windows on the desktop. No integration, no standards, and you
wonder why no one wants to code for it. Because "RedHat" is not "Mandrake"
which isn't "Debian" or "SuSE" which certianly isn't "EasyLinux" or
"Caldera"... Need I go on?
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