Linux-Advocacy Digest #296, Volume #29 Mon, 25 Sep 00 02:13:05 EDT
Contents:
Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT (dc)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (Lee Reynolds)
Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800 (Jeff Glatt)
What is with all the mudslinging? (Lee Reynolds)
Re: How low can they go...? ("James Stutts")
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively (Lee Reynolds)
Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively ("Shocktrooper")
Re: What is with all the mudslinging? (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Donovan
Rebbechi)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within. (Steve Mading)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Tymmm, wee orl mizs ewe! (Jacques Guy)
Re: How low can they go...? (T. Max Devlin)
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From: dc <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Id Software developer prefers OS X to Linux, NT
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:01:03 -0500
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 21:23:00 -0500, Bryant Brandon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, dc
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>@On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 18:21:06 -0500, Bryant Brandon
>@<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>@
>@>@Why do you think it's a logfile issue?
>@>
>@> Only thing I could think of. I figured Windows was sane.
>@
>@Highly so.
>@
>@>@When you log in, the profile on the server is copied locally.
>@>
>@> Is it copied back to the server
>@
>@Yes.
>@
>@> and removed from the harddrive on
>@>logout?
>@
>@No.
>
> Why not? These machines are used by dosens of different people every
>day. It should be obvious that the stuff shouldn't just sit on the
>machine. After all, isn't that the whole point of keeping profiles on a
>server? To save space on individual machines?
No, it's to allow people to log in and get 'their' settings (all of
them) from anywhere in the NT domain (read: from any machine they log
in with). THAT is the point of profiles. And they aren't removed ...
what would happen if a user couldn't get domain access - if the link
between that machine's wiring closet and the domain controller's
wiring closet went bad? The local (cached) profile would be used, and
the user would be able to work without any issues.
> Shouldn't it at least be removed if a user currently logging in needs
>the space?
That's a quota issue, and that has been solved. The fact that your
admins haven't addressed the issue is their problem.
> Now I just get a login prompt.
And what happens when you enter name/pw information?
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From: Lee Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:03:34 -0700
> (The answer, in case anyone has any doubts, is that 1) programmers
> hate users, and 2) Unix is a two decades obsolete piece of shit.)
>
Before something can be obsolete, something better must come along. In the case of
Unix I've seen no evidence that this has happened.
As for the idea that programmers hate users, that depends on what you mean by
"user." If you mean someone who strives to use a computer competently, even if not
expertly. Someone who can be taught how to use a computer and who is willing to
learn. If this is the kind of person you mean, then I for one have no disdain for
them at all. But if you mean someone who can't use a computer and can't seem to
learn how to use a computer, someone who in fact does not want to know how to use a
computer and feels that their desire to be ignorant should be without consequence.
If this is the kind of person you mean then you would be right to say I have no
respect for them. Hate is too strong a word.
Lee Reynolds
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jeff Glatt)
Crossposted-To:
comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Malloy digest, volume 2451800
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:18:29 GMT
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
>Yeah, [Tholen is] in my killfile.
>A flame war is characterised by it's ferocity, whereas a "Tholen-war"
>is characterised by its triviality and silliness.
Yet *another* "glowing endorsement" of Tholen's idiocy for the
archive. They just keep coming and coming
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From: Lee Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: What is with all the mudslinging?
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:28:54 -0700
The operating system stands on its own merits. So does NT and the MacOS
and BeOS and so on. Yes when I come here I see endless snide comments
being thrown back and forth about how Linux sucks or Linux rules or NT
sucks or so and so is a communist.
So my question is? What difference does it make if some yahoo does or
does not like Linux? If someone has a genuine complaint about some
aspect of the system not working right, then that is one thing. Those
kinds of comments and reports are helpful because they show us where
things need to be fixed or improved. But vague or intentionally
inaccurate posts about how Linux is unstable or insecure or any number
of other things are simply not worth responding to. The person posting
them isn't concerned with the facts. They simply don't like Linux, and
their reasons have nothing to do with its value as an operating system.
I don't claim to understand their reasons and I doubt that they
understand them either. It's kind of like racism. The people who hold
others in contempt because of their race may not know why they do it
themselves. But they will consistently defend their position that the
person of the other race is inferior or a criminal or you name it.
They'll manufacture or exaggerate claims to back up that point of view.
That is the same exact thing that is going on here.
Lee Reynolds
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From: "James Stutts" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 22:45:06 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
<snip>
> One of the many things I'm trying to change. I don't 'have to' live
> with anything. The law prevents monopolies, and we haven't figured out
> how health care should work, yet. What is your point?
The law most certainly allows monopolies. Shopped around for electrical
service lately?
>
> [...]
> >> Well, whatever you meant to say, it is 'avoiding' something which I
find
> >> inconvenient. If it were merely a matter of selecting from
> >
> >You have to "avoid" things everyday.
>
> So what? What is your point? Do you know what is meant by the phrase
> "ankle-biting"?
>
> >> alternatives, believe me, I'd never choose crap this bad. But a
variety
> >> of reasons keep me using this crap, involuntarily; some stronger, some
> >
> >Sounds like your complaint is really with your boss, not Microsoft.
Perhaps
> >MS is just an easier target for your venting.
>
> Sounds to me like you're a moron.
Ahh, here we go. I apparently hit the nail on the head.
JCS
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From: Lee Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:46:51 -0700
Chad Myers wrote:
> I said almost because their MIGHT be one or two
> pieces of software that weren't for Windows, but
> I couldn't find 'em.
>
> http://www.spaceref.com/shuttle/computer/spoc/
>
> (click on a few of the links/screenshots on the left)
>
> They even use Windows (NT apparently) to control
> life-support systems including warning and
> monitoring systems:
>
> http://www.spaceref.com/shuttle/computer/spoc/cautwarn.html
>
> Here's an example of one of the three network diagrams
> they have for the space shuttle and space station:
>
> http://www.spaceref.com/shuttle/computer/106.LAN.nominal.html
>
> At least a few of them are windows, but, judging by the
> software it says the no-named-OS computers are running,
> it appears they are Windows as well.
>
> No mention of Linux, MacOS, or *laf* OS/2
>
> Guess they actually want some productivity. They also
> trust their lives to it because they know that when it's
> properly set up, NT can be the most stable OS available
> (2nd only to Win2k, of course).
>
> -Chad
I don't really know what systems the shuttles are running right this
minute, but at one time the shuttles had computers on board that were
obsolete by anyone's standards. We're talking 25 year old stuff here.
These systems were used because they were extremely well tested and the
engineers and technicians knew them inside out. At one point these
embedded computers were upgraded to designs that were only 10-15 years
old to save space and improve reliability.
None of this has anything to do with NT/2K. If astronauts want to use
NT/2K on the laptops they carry with them then so be it. If NT is the
best tool for the job they are trying to do then I say use NT.
Lee Reynolds
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From: "Shocktrooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy
Subject: Re: Space Shuttle uses Windows software almost exclusively
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 03:59:24 GMT
"lyttlec" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bob Germer wrote:
> >
> > On 09/23/2000 at 05:47 PM,
> > Timberwoof <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > On the other hand, the Macintosh platform is well supported with
> > > software by such industry leaders as Adobe, Macromedia, and Microsoft
> > > itself. Far from being so "proprietary," they adhere to all sorts of
> > > hardware and software standards. Apple is a leading force in creating
> > > some of these standards. And because of the Macintosh's excellent
> > > support for networking, Apple product users are well-connected.
> >
> > Well, I had occasion to visit CompUSA earlier this afternoon. Just for
> > fun, I counted the software titles for Intel and Mac platform. There were
> > 498 different titles for Intel platform machines. For Mac, 44 of which 36
> > were games.
> >
> > This proves that Macs are not well supported other than for games.
> >
> > --
> >
>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
> > MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
> > Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
> >
>---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MS is an owner of CompUSA. CompUSA employees tell me that they have a
> demand for Linux and Mac products, but cannot get them. I was looking
> for a sound card and modem for one of my Linux machines. All the cards
> on the shelf were WinModem and windows "optimized" sound cards. The
> clerk, who new computers, told me that they had cards I wanted on order
> for months. But only one or two would come in every 6 weeks or so. He
> said that there were announced plans to make all their computers
> strictly MS-only. But cheap, very very cheap. This policy, BTW, screws
> the local franchise holder who sees 20% of his business walk.
Then explain why Apple is the only company with a "store within a store" section?
--
How fast is YOUR computer?
Here is my nearly 3 year old Dell Dimension XPSR-400
Unreal Tournament, 1024x768@32bit color,
All visuals and sound quality on highest
Cityintro: Max: 96.95fps , Avg: 62.82fps
Wicked400: Max: 53.21fps , Avg: 39.93fps
Just imagine what a "twice as fast" G3 can do!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Subject: Re: What is with all the mudslinging?
Date: 25 Sep 2000 04:42:37 GMT
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 20:28:54 -0700, Lee Reynolds wrote:
[ snip ]
You seem concerned about all the idiots here. I'd argue that it's a good
thing. This groups purpose is to keep the idiots and trolls away from
the real newsgroups, and it seems to work fairly well.
Yeah, there are all kinds of bigots. It's amazing what one can be bigoted
about if one tries hard enough.
Perhaps we should have a bigot of the month competition. The winner
gets a one way ticket to Lilliput.
Cheers,
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within.
Date: 25 Sep 2000 04:49:04 GMT
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:38:42 -0700, Lee Reynolds wrote:
>
>
>Steve Mading wrote:
>
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> : * Its creator, Linus, had lived right next to the then-USSR, and he could
>> : well have been recruited by the KGB to sabotage the Western software
>> : industry with deliberately underpriced software.
>>
>> Didn't his dad work in radio in Moscow or something? Hmm...
>
>What planet are you people on? Linux has nothing to do with communism or any
>other political ideology. Linux is an operating system developed by
>programmers who do the work because they use Linux themselves and want to make
>it better.
>
>I seriously suspect that you guys just want to bitch at and degrade each other
>and associating Linux with communism is just an excuse to do that.
You've missed the context of this thread. Let me fill you in --
Aaron Kulkis has a bizarre conspiracy theory. According to his conspiracy
theory, there is a sinister international communist conspiracy to destroy the
US education system by sending in communists to infiltrate the NEA.
Apparently, the KGB an others are also involved. Despite the magnitude of this
conspiracy, and the number of people involved, no one seems to be aware of it
except for Mr Kulkis.
Petrich's "Linux communist conspiracy theory" was essentially a parody of
this.
Cheers,
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 05:02:54 GMT
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:06:16 -0700, Jim Richardson wrote:
>On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 15:51:37 GMT,
>Add to that, any farm with some land and a 15 y.o tractor, a house and some
>livestock, has a paper value in excess of $500K.
IIRC that's still below the threshold.
> Not that it would sell for
>that mind you, but that's what the thieves in govt will value it at for tax
>purposes.
You can ( and should ) get it appraised by someone else for tax purposes.
>>>If you want to see what government run health care looks like look at
>>>some statistics. You will see that for example Germans pay less than
>>>Americans (in percent of GDP) for health care, and interestingly enough
>>>everybody is covered by the system too.
>
>America has the worst of both worlds, massive govt meddling, and restrictions
>on who can compete, and requirements that drive the costs up. Plus meddling by
>the ins companies, politically and otherwise, to eliminate competition.
The biggest two problems IMO are
(a) the system is employer based. This essentially means that small
businesses and their employees aren't insured.
(b) the HMOs have it too easy. They need to be more accountable. If
you must privatise health insurance, at least make the companies
accountable.
--
Donovan
>
>>ridiculous to try and compare us and Germany.
>
>
>--
>Jim Richardson
> Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
>WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
> Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 05:08:57 GMT
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 17:49:35 -0400, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>Considering how many comets and asteroids have smacked into the earth...
>they think that HUMAN activity is going to have even close to the same
>impact?
Oh, the planet will do just fine. It's the inhabitants ( with the possible
exception of the roaches ) who may find it a bit uncomfortable.
--
Donovan
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: 25 Sep 2000 05:18:40 GMT
On Sun, 24 Sep 2000 19:26:47 GMT, STATIC66 wrote:
>On Fri, 25 Aug 2000 23:53:47 GMT, Ted Brown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>So it really doesn't supprise me that Al would learn from his buddy
>how to win over voters with empty promises...
But he's still going to win, because very few Americans will benefit
from Bush's vision which seems to revolve around tax cuts for the
aristocracy. The problem is that the vast majority of Americans have
little to gain from Bush's policies. Not to mention that with Clinton's
approval rating and the economy in their current state, Bush needs to
come up with a more inspiring vision than handouts to the aristocracy.
--
Donovan
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:29:50 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:18:42 GMT, Richard wrote:
>
>>> You are asking unpaid programmers to follow management without
>>> questioning? You are insane.
>>
>>No, I'm asking that they stop writing code without doing explicit
>>architectural design first. And if they can't do such design then
>>let someone else do it.
>
>Why should they ? In fact, why should any hobbyist be forced to pursue
>their hobby according to your guidelines ?
An interesting, if inane, discussion. The short answer to your
question, I think, would be "interoperability and compatibility."
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:31:27 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Jim Richardson in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 04:50:16 GMT,
> Richard, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> brought forth the following words...:
>
>>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 20:18:42 GMT, Richard wrote:
>>> >No, I'm asking that they stop writing code without doing explicit
>>> >architectural design first. And if they can't do such design then
>>> >let someone else do it.
>>>
>>> Why should they ? In fact, why should any hobbyist be forced to pursue
>>> their hobby according to your guidelines ?
>>
>>Because bad music only makes people's ears bleed while bad software
>>drives people insane?
>>
>>And hey, I'm fine with hobbyists writing crap software so long as they
>>never distribute it ....
>
>
>Gee, guess we'll just have to set you up as, oh, what shall we call it? I
>know!, "Minister of state software" and everyone will just have to get their
>programmes approaved by you...
>on second thought, nah!
Rather ironic that they engage in such polemic and yet cannot regard a
rhetorical point with reasoned judgement, eh, Richard?
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: American schools ARE being sabotaged from within.
Date: 25 Sep 2000 05:20:58 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Lee Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Steve Mading wrote:
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> : * Its creator, Linus, had lived right next to the then-USSR, and he could
:> : well have been recruited by the KGB to sabotage the Western software
:> : industry with deliberately underpriced software.
:>
:> Didn't his dad work in radio in Moscow or something? Hmm...
: What planet are you people on? Linux has nothing to do with communism or any
[snip]
Ahem - it was a parody thread.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:37:08 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Donovan Rebbechi in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 00:01:08 GMT, Richard wrote:
>
>>> I hack software. I also design things.
>>
>>I eat. I also cook. And no matter how much I eat, it won't make me
>>a great chef.
>
>"hack" is slang, so I'd prefer not use this word.
>
>Suffice it to say that design is an essential part of programming. Any
>good programmer knows something about design, because writing a decent
>nontrivial program requires some basic design skills.
You confuse design of a component with design of a system, I think.
>You are trying to pretend that programming and design are orthogonal skills,
>but simply put, this is a load of baloney. You can't program without some
>design skills.
>
>And I'd argue that you're in no position to design unless you can program,
>because sooner or later, a design needs to be implemented and unless you
>have some basic understanding as to how it gets implemented, you are not
>going to be able to produce a good design.
But this does raise the possibility that, although familiarity, 'basic
understanding', of both fields is necessary and relevant to either,
being good at programming may well be orthogonal to being good at
design. The dielectic tension of "the user as non-programmer" does seem
to justify Richard's position to some extent.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:42:45 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Richard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
[...]
>To do good design, you have to abstact over /all possible/
>implementations of your design. And the only way to do that
>with ease and without flaw is to 1) know nothing about any
>particular implementation, or 2) be able to conceive of all
>implementations.
You must also 3) be able to differentiate between imaginable and
feasible.
>The same rule applies in physics where "old" is defined as 30.
Bear in mind, you're referencing *theoretical* physics. You'll find
that all of the respected _experimental_ physicists rely as much on
experience as on academic credentials or ingenuity.
>Wasn't it William Gibson who said that he couldn't write any more
>science fiction novels now that people have oh so helpfully explained
>to him how current technology works?
>
>And I *have* mentioned 3Dsia, right?
But you've also made the point that good art does not come from good
engineering. Software is, both in practice and theory, in
implementation and even in design, mostly engineering, I think. Unless
you're only considering innovation when discussing design, which is
naive in its own right.
--
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Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 05:43:51 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Tymmm, wee orl mizs ewe!
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote [re Drestin Black]:
> Oh.......softWARE...drestin meant softPORN...
Do you mean that it would be HARDware if he
could get it up? Tsk, tsk, tsk, Aaron, Aaron...
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: How low can they go...?
Date: Mon, 25 Sep 2000 01:57:48 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said James Stutts in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
><snip>
>
>> One of the many things I'm trying to change. I don't 'have to' live
>> with anything. The law prevents monopolies, and we haven't figured out
>> how health care should work, yet. What is your point?
>
>The law most certainly allows monopolies. Shopped around for electrical
>service lately?
This is called a "public utility". One could consider it a 'monopoly',
in the way the term was used several hundred years ago in Europe, to
mean an exclusive grant by the sovereign to conduct certain trade. But
generally I think of it as a 'public utility'. I'll point out that
citizens of San Diego would no doubt agree that it is best treated as
one, as there is little value in pretending to support competitive
markets in a necessary utility with huge capitalization costs.
[...]
>> >Sounds like your complaint is really with your boss, not Microsoft.
>> >Perhaps MS is just an easier target for your venting.
>>
>> Sounds to me like you're a moron.
>
>Ahh, here we go. I apparently hit the nail on the head.
You apparently are grossly ignorant of reality.
--
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