Linux-Advocacy Digest #732, Volume #29 Wed, 18 Oct 00 19:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Astroturfing (Steve Mading)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: Linux: Lots Good, Some Bad (Keith Peterson)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Claire Lynn (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Linux to equal NT 3.51???? (Matthias Warkus)
Re: Claire! post something! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why I do use Windows (Keith Peterson)
Re: KDE starting to stress out a little? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (FM)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (2:1)
Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux? (2:1)
Re: Suggestions for Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: KDE starting to stress out a little? (2:1)
Re: What is COLA? im in the dark on this one (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-) (Gardiner Family)
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Weevil")
Re: KDE starting to stress out a little? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:10:24 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:12:38 -0700, Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:09:53 GMT, Mike Byrns
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >wrote:
> >> >> ...then they have to be bailed out by some Linux user
because
> >the
> >> >> local WinDOS user can't even hook up a SCSI chain properly.
> >
> >> >And here again is that famous Linux user superiority complex that is
SURE
> >to put off
> >> >almost every computer user on the planet. The average computer user
does
> >not have
> >> >external SCSI peripherals or internal ones for that matter. The
average
> >computer
> >>
> >> It is just so amazing how much Lemmings conform to their own
> >> criticisms of others. SCSI peripherals are out there. They are
> >> lying on the shelves in CompUSA. Inevitably, they will be bought
> >> and installed by naieve consumers. There is simply no getting
> >> around this. It's much like the problem of consumers buying
> >> hardware that isn't compatible with NT5 or Linux.
> >>
> >> Now, the naieve don't care that I'm berating their local guru.
> >>
> >> They're just happy when their stuff finally works.
> >
> >Either way, you're making an wild statement here: Linux gurus are
supposedly
> >smarter than Windows/DOS gurus.
>
> By your own FUD regarding Linux, that pretty much has to be
> the case...
And, pray tell, what FUD would that be?
> >
> >It would have been more appropriate to claim that "People with experience
in
> >SCSI will have more luck than those who don't" -- mainly because it
doesn't
>
> ...which leads to the inevetable parallel between people who
> choose to use lesser known and used hardware standards and
> people who choose to use lesser known and used operating systems.
The two are completely disparate sets. Unless you'd like to take it to the
conclusion that all Linux users DO NOT use IBM-PC compatible machines.
> >matter if you use Linux or Windows -- it's just whether or not you know
how
> >SCSI works.
> >
> >BTW: Most end users won't be buying SCSI peripherals anyway, unless
they're
> >using a Mac.
>
> This is still irrelevant.
>
> Most end users don't KNOW NOT to buy SCSI peripherals. The
> distinctions that you take for granted simply don't occur
> to them.
>
> You are out of touch with the common man.
Not really. Name some of these peripherals.
Also, they can always take it back to the store if it doesn't work. They can
even ask someone there how to hook it up.
And heck, they might even do a search on the net, which will teach them
about IDs, and terminators.
Simon
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Astroturfing
Date: 18 Oct 2000 21:17:20 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Ian Davey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:>"Ian Davey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
:>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "JS/PL"
:><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>> >> When I said use your brain, I meant use it, not repeat the same stuff
:>in
:>> >> detail. There is probably something very badly wrong with your
:>> >> installation. C corrupted filesystem or a bad harddisk or something.
:>> >> There are kernel options to allow Linux to see more memory.
:>> >> Try mem=256M or something like it.
:>> >
:>> >That's the point, my objective isn't to hack the kernel, it is to insert
:>a
:>> >disk, hover over the return key for a few minutes and have the thing work
:>in
:>>
:>> You don't need to hack the kernel, there's a point in the Mandrake 7.1
:>install
:>> where you get to enter how much memory you have. All you do is amend the
:>> 64MB value in the text box and change it to 256MB. Not rocket science.
:>
:>I've done that on the second of three installs, it still shows 66mb when the
:>install is complete. I also have a pretty good feeling that just typing
:>mem=256M will not magically work if it doesn't already see the maximum
:>amount available.
: Yes it will, it gets the maximum amount available by querying the BIOS (where
: it gets the 64MB figure). Not sure where you're getting the 66MB figure
: from, 64MB is the maximum that most will report.
: You should just be able to add append "mem=256" to the relevant section of
Uhm, that's mem=256M That trailing "M" is rather important. Leave
it off and it thinks it has 256 BYTES - I've noticed it doesn't get
very far into starting up the kernel when I make that mistake.
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 16:36:16 -0500
On Tue, 17 Oct 2000, mlw wrote:
>jazz wrote:
>>
>> I really need a powerful word processor with templates, styles, etc.
>>
>> What is available for Linux? How about for Powerpoint and Excel?
>>
>> Thanks ---
>> Jazz
>
>You can download Star Office. I used to use Applix, but I got their last
>version and it wasn't as good as their previous version. SO 5.2, OTOH is
>as good as MS office in that it doesn't crash like MS office, and it
>does not take down the OS like MS office.
>
>It has no problems reading MS office files, at least as far as I've
>seen.
I have it installed it on my Win98SE at work and loaded a 488 page Word95 doc
without any sweat. I love SO5.2!!
>
>--
>http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Peterson)
Subject: Re: Linux: Lots Good, Some Bad
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:39:52 GMT
In article <8sl1gj$krtu3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Nigel Feltham"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>The alsa documentation is terrible. Really, really bad. Finally, after
>>experiencing a heavy PITA factor, I got the drivers loaded. Result? I can
>>actually use the alsa driver to play audio - but I can't hear anything.
>Why?
>>Because the alsa mixer can't detect it's own driver running. Agh. I cannot
>>find a solution for this, so I am back to my original configuration, where
>my
>>sblive is supported through the default install, and the DIO-2448 is
>>unrecognized.
>>
>
>
>Maybe someone here can offer help - it will probably help to know what linux
>distribution you are running though.
>
I'm not gonna worry about it, mostly because, as I mentioned, the tools in
linux aren't up to the tasks at hand. So I'll just stick with the sblive for
the limited multimedia I do in linux, and continue to use the Windows software
for the audio mixing/editing.
I could spend a bunch of time and energy chasing it down, but in the end the
only benefit would be that I could route xmms through my mixer via digital
outs before sending the audio to my headphones.
When Steinberg, Sonic Foundry and the others get around to making linux
versions, I'll try it out. So far all the open source audio editing tools fall
way short. It's just a maturity issue.
Again, use a platform for it's strengths. I haven't done any major
audio editing in two weeks, so, consequently, I've been using linux at home
almost exclusively during that period. Java development...
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:06:39 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 18 Oct 2000 15:48:54 +0000...
...and Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Brian Langenberger wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Harry Lewis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > : If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
> >
> > : If all you have is a typesetting program, everything looks like a
> > : typesetting problem.
> >
> > And if all you have is a word processor, everything looks like a
> > page layout problem.
>
> Exactly - what you need is the right tool for the job! (Believe me, I
> know, as I was once asked to implement a workflow-like system using Word
> and VBA!)
>
> However, a word processor *should* focus on content, with facilities for
> outlining,
Editing is the business of the text editor or the front end, not of
LaTeX. Emacs, for example, does a great job at outlining.
> merging documents into complex documents, creating tables of
> contents and indexes etc.
Have you actually ever used LaTeX? TOCs, complex documents (e.g.
inclusions) and indices are where it really shines. Word's handling of
intra-document references and autogenerated TOCs and indices is
pathetic in comparison. And does Word have anything remotely
resembling references into external documents?
mawa
--
Wenn die Wochentage Städte wären...
...dann wäre der Donnerstag Kaiserslautern.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Claire Lynn
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:51:06 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:46:24 +1300...
...and Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[The US of A]
> Before you make pre-emptive judgements, look at the little hole you live
> in, where students are killed regulary, obesity is rife, the trade and
> foreign policy has double standards and crime and poverty is rife in the
> large cities.
Foreign policy? The US? *Foreign* *policy*? Are you kidding? The US
never had anything a sane person could call a foreign policy when
sober. The US 'foreign policy' is half "fuck-'em-all" and half
"punch-holes-in'em-with-depleted-uranium-bullets-if-it-helps-
our-poll-results".
mawa
--
Q: Why is it that the more accuracy you demand from an interpolation
function, the more expensive it becomes to compute?
A: That's the Law of Spline Demand.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matthias Warkus)
Subject: Re: Linux to equal NT 3.51????
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:54:15 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
It was the Sat, 7 Oct 2000 12:09:08 -0700...
...and Jim Richardson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One annoyance I have with the windows explorer vs KDE's Konqueror, is that
> Konqueror lets you "drill down" the dirtree, just grab a file, and drag it
> over a dir, and after a half second, the dir opens and you can drop down
> another level. This is a lot more convenient that with windows.
This idea is called "spring-loaded folders" in recent versions of the
MacOS Finder. Would be fun if it is originally a KDE idea ;)
mawa
--
Sometimes Usenet makes me feel like a crossbreed of Don Giovanni and
the Sorcerer's Apprentice; while around me something I created is
making all kinds of mess, I want to yell "Enough! Enough!" and wait
for the devil to get me. -- mawa
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Claire! post something!
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:39:57 GMT
In article <8sl0qg$keus9$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ingemar Lundin wrote in message ...
> >this ng is beginning to sink to a new low
> >(hard to break record indeed)
> >
>
> Perhaps s/he is busy re-installing windows after another crash ;-)
>
Wednesday. The personalities are in court ordered counseling.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Keith Peterson)
Subject: Re: Why I do use Windows
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:50:01 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>Your POS newsreader for Windows can't even wrap lines properly. If you
>think that's better, that's your perogative.
<snip very long and well-thought-out post>
Way to go, buddy.
1) You quoted an extremely lengthy post in it's entirety merely to add two
lines to it.
2) You reduced a very balanced piece to one anti-Windows sentiment that
addressed exactly NONE of the points mentioned therein.
Aren't you proud?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: KDE starting to stress out a little?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:54:05 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:24:14 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Ingemar Lundin wrote:
>>
>> "Marc Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
>> news:RB4H5.118$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > Meanwhile, still waiting for GNUstep to take over the world after these
>> > > two giants destroy each other...
>> >
>> > The world has already been silently taken by ... iceWM ;-)
>> >
>>
>> PFFFFF!!!.......*WINDOWMAKER*
>
>
>Ha. FVWM2(*not win95/98 style) rules here. Fantastic VWM, to me.
>
>Some people insist on using the old twm. There's no hope...
I like fvwm (not fvwm2), myself. Been using it for years.
Twm is definitely -- how to put it delicately -- minimalist. :-)
[.sigsnip]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (FM)
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: 18 Oct 2000 21:14:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yes, I noticed that (about Richard). What is it about object oriented
>programming that differentiates it from functional programming?
Let me say that there's really nothing similar between
the two, since one is about describing a computational
process (FP) and the other is about organization of
data and code (OO).
>According the 6th Handbook of Literature, the theory that primitive
>minds are unable to grasp abstractions is little more than bigotry. I'm
>on the fence about it, myself, actually. I do think, in fact, that
>being able to deal with abstract thoughts does require the ability to
>grasp them. The problem Richard seems to have is that he's convinced
>himself that there is nothing but abstraction. To him, perception is
>abstraction, so a real object is just as 'metaphorical' as a programming
>object. Apparently, he has a tenuous grasp of reality.
By being able to "deal" with abstract thoughts, I mean
the ability to use manipulate them linguistically, as no
assumption can be made about how he's actually dealing
with them in his mind.
>Let's presume that I understand the different between a programming
>methodology and a computational paradigm. (Its not very clear, but I
>believe I grasp the basic concepts, so I'm sure I'll be able to sort
>things out as necessary.) Could you describe the Aspect-Oriented
>programming method a bit more?
I claim no expertise in this particular area. I have some
conceptual idea of what it is, but that's too abstract for
me to claim actual understanding. I haven't actually
programmed in AOP and whatever knowledge I have of it is
mostly abstract. Unlike Richard, I won't try to stretch my
comprehension of the abstract to concrete domains that I
haven't dealt with myself. You are probably better off
reading some of the introductory materials on AOP.
>>>>[...]You are flawed in the other
>>>>direction - you have become so obssessed with concepts
>>>>that you can't see how mechanisms can differ from concepts
>>>>(or rather from how concepts are described) and can still
>>>>implement them correctly - and much less useful.
>>>You lost it at the end, there, Dan, but I think its clear enough what
>>>you meant.
>>That's a bit long for a sentence, but I don't know where I
>>lost it.
>The combination of the length and the compound nature (your hyphen
>phrase is a complete sentence, with a different tense) makes it quite
>difficult to read. Both the 'and can still implement them correctly'
>and the 'much less useful' phrase appear to be addressing different
>subjects than the sentence as a whole. I wouldn't say either is
>incorrect, but they are a bit liberal in terms of language. No big
>deal, though. Sorry for nit-picking.
Well that's a fair piece of criticism. Perhaps that has
something to do with English not being my first language;
I have acquired an uncanny ability to construct sentences
with meanings that are amply clear to myself, that are
often criticized as lengthy, overly sophisticated, and
overall hard to read. Perhaps my expectation that my
readership can (or if not, should be able to) handle the
degree of grammatical complexity found in my writing is
completely unjustified. Regardless, as long as I'm not
getting paid or graded for my writing, I generally refuse
to bring down the degree of complexity in my writing
purely for the sake of making it easier to read. If I
could handle it after about three years of using English,
I don't see why a native speaker with adequate intellect
would have much trouble with it. Whether other writers
agree or not, I do like the idea of each sentence being
mostly complete in itself, and containing few causal or
relational references to other sentences.
Just an observation; my writing style, or rather perhaps my
defense of it, is analogous to functional programming style
in some odd sense.
Dan.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:02:51 +0100
Relax wrote:
>
> > The first indication that Microsoft was not serious about the enterprise
> > was Windows NT 4.0, when they moved GUI code down into kernel space.
>
> GDI != GUI, troll!
What exactly does the GDI do, if it doesn't draw the GUI?
So hey moved PART of the GUI in to the kernel.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: Is there a MS Word (or substitute) for Linux?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:07:07 +0100
2:1 wrote:
>
> Brian Moore wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > ....
> > >
> > >
> > >TeX was never just a typesetting tool. It was designed to allow high
> > >level, content orientated languages (it says so in the TeX Book).
> > >
> > >I haven't seen a word processor that gives the power and output quality
> > >of TeX. They are still too orientated to letting the user, not the
> > >program do the typesetting.
> > >
> > >There are very good content management facilities in LaTeX.
> > >
> > >-Ed
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > On the other hand, if you are using LaTeX, and for whatever reason
> > need to make just a small change in the appearance of
> > the document after the typesetting has occurred, it can be
> > infuriating. After digging into Lamport to find the relevant
> > part, it might tell you something like "you shouldn't want to
> > do that."
>
> If you change the document, you have to rerun latex (ie re-typeset it).
> If I want to fore some low level changes, you could always refer to the
> TeX book. It's free to download from the CTAN (comprehensive tex archive
> network).
>
> -Ed
Forget that. You're not meant to TeX it, so it doesn't work. It's for
example only.
-Ed
> --
> Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
> binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
> first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
> commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Suggestions for Linux
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:14:33 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Nick Condon
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:03:08 +0100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>unicat wrote:
>
>> 2) We need to completely eliminate the command line interface.
>> That's right. Get rid of it. Anything that can't be done from a
>> GUI isn't worth doing.
>
>And how are you going to pipe one command to another if there is no command
>line?
A very limited form of data piping might be done by some sort of
"patchcord" framework. I seem to recall something like this done
on the Amiga, and perhaps the Atari as well, although the intent
was to pipe MIDI data around, not character streams. But something
similar might serve, for total idiots. :-)
Of course, the command line is much easier to work with -- how does one
represent "tee filename.txt" with a "patchcord" framework? One would
have to have a "set arguments for this program" menu pulldown
or something (not unlike VC++'s debugger or JBuilder's Application
Setup (Run tab)).
Once one has that, of course, why bother with the GUI? :-)
Might as well just type in
someprog somearguments | tee filename
directly to some term/shell and be done with it...less moving around
of fingers, mice, and such too.
>
>Well done, you've just eliminated the central, major strength of the Unix
>tradition in one stroke.
I think that's exactly what he wanted! :-/
After all, Unix Bad. NT Good. NT Will Win. Unix Will Lose.
Everyone Will Be Happy. Microsoft Is The Source Of All That's Good.
Unix Is The Source Of All That's Evil.
(Riiiiiiiiiight. "Start Me Up", anyone? :-) )
>
>Write small programs that do one thing and do it well, this is the Unix
>philosophy. Write programs to work together. Write programs to handle text
>streams, because that is a universal interface.
>
>It's hard to avoid monolithic programming if none of your programs can talk
>to each other.
Indeed.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE starting to stress out a little?
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:10:13 +0100
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 18 Oct 2000 10:24:14 +0100
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Ingemar Lundin wrote:
> >>
> >> "Marc Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> skrev i meddelandet
> >> news:RB4H5.118$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> > > Meanwhile, still waiting for GNUstep to take over the world after these
> >> > > two giants destroy each other...
> >> >
> >> > The world has already been silently taken by ... iceWM ;-)
> >> >
> >>
> >> PFFFFF!!!.......*WINDOWMAKER*
> >
> >
> >Ha. FVWM2(*not win95/98 style) rules here. Fantastic VWM, to me.
> >
> >Some people insist on using the old twm. There's no hope...
>
> I like fvwm (not fvwm2), myself. Been using it for years.
What don't you like about FVWM2? It has more versatile styles (at the
expense of a slightly bigger footprint) and the modules have been tidied
up a bit. It really is very similar, just a bit newer.
> Twm is definitely -- how to put it delicately -- minimalist. :-)
Yep. I can't get used to the way it deals with resizing. You have to
make it bigger before you can go smaller. I don't get it. I use it to
give myself menus etc on my xlogin screen. It's very good for that,
since it is very easy to configure and very minimalist.
-Ed
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: What is COLA? im in the dark on this one
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:17:47 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 18 Oct 2000 14:54:02 GMT
<8skdia$1p3c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>>
>>> I'll temper my fear with courage by asking this....
>>> Who or what is COLA?
>
>> (C)onstipated (O)verzealous (L)inux (A)dvocates
>
>Wow. You sure are clever.
Yeah, gee, that's so productive to ongoing discussion regarding
Linux's advantages (and shortcomings). :-)
One could also render it of course as
Coming On Licking Ass (of Microsoft). :-)
since we seem to have a few astroturf types here. (Hi, Claire! :-) )
[.sigsnip]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random personality here
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From: Gardiner Family <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Migration --> NT costing please :-)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:23:30 GMT
what has the site "texas church planters" have to do with Windows bench
marks. Second, the "speed rating" that is used is inaccurate because it
uses many machines (clusters) of servers running Windows 2000, however,
they never include the cost of running that type of configuration in a
commercial environment, which has been proven to be more expensive in
the long term that having two big fucking servers, the first is the
primary one, the second mirrors the first and automatically takes over
if the primary server fails for some unknown reason.
matt
Serge Luca wrote:
> <<Windows does have its uses, however, not as a server...>>
>
> ok, take a look at www.tcp.org
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From: "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:25:12 -0500
Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8skuar$f3e$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Weevil" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:RZeH5.1597$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8sj5ae$pl0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > Provide one SHRED of proof that "DOS ain't done 'till Lotus won't run"
> is
> > > anything more than an anti-Microsoft FUD mantra. I will gladly post
that
> > > line, and the qualifying proof as my signature for the rest of my
Usenet
> > > days if you manage to do so.
> > >
> > > Proof that qualifies is any kind of evidence that Microsoft did indeed
> > > change DOS explicitly so that Lotus would not run, or any kind of
order
> > from
> > > a Microsoft executive of that form.
> > >
> > > I'll be waiting. But I won't hold my breath.
> >
> > Hmmm...does it have to be Lotus? Would it be OK if it was another
> product?
>
> Nope. It has to be Lotus -- because everyone always quotes "DOS Ain't Done
> Till Lotus Won't Run", and it's being used as a keystone for an argument
> here.
Has to be Lotus, huh? Are you suddenly afraid that proof will pop up about
some other competing product? Or perhaps you're already aware of it, and
you're worried that someone else here might bring it up.
How about this -- can I get you to say that Microsoft just absolutely does
not do that? Deliberately break other people's products, I mean.
Do you have the courage of your convictions?
jwb
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: KDE starting to stress out a little?
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:20:38 GMT
In article <8skidf$1k2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> One person does not the KDE project make. You can not claim that the
> whole of KDE project members are stressed based on ONE person.
It seems symptomatic of a larger problem, though. I personally don't
mind KDE and I'm not trying to start a FUD thread here. It's just,
lately, there have been so many things going on that make it seem like
they're scrambling. The GNOME foundation set off a bunch of responses
like "KDE's official position on the GNOME foundation", etc., and then
there was the GPLing of the code, only to have RMS toss it back in
their face on www.linuxtoday.com, then there's this "Meet the Folks
behind KDE" series of articles that just absolutely REEKS of well-timed
PR, and then there was that article about whether or not KOffice and
OpenOffice were going to be heavy competitors with denials all around.
I don't know about the project itself, but something is giving off some
weird vibes lately, IMHO. It's all press release stuff and maybe
sensationalist geek journalism, but it's still there.
-ws
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