Linux-Advocacy Digest #735, Volume #29 Wed, 18 Oct 00 22:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: Linux to equal NT 3.51???? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Re: Why I do use Windows
Re: Why I hate Windows...
Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux ("Scaramanga")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?) (T. Max Devlin)
Distro 8.0 wish list... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux to equal NT 3.51????
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:39:05 -0400
LinuZ TorvaldZ wrote:
> <stupid shit deleted>
Hey, Reject, if you want to impersonate someone, at least choose
someone down at your level... fucking Bill Gates groupie...
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (D) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft kicked off the Web!
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:42:40 -0000
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:44:45 GMT, Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>Snip...
>
>: >Even with that, you're right, it isn't terribly taxing. I just happen to
>: >like Windows installation routine, setup.exe for most of the programs,
>: >install.exe for others. That has nothing to do with being "indoctrinated
>: >into", it's just personal preference.
>:
>: Sure it does. You only tolerate one way of doing things regardless
>: of how featureful or easy any other method is. Things must all be
>: a clone of WinDOS.
>
>Did you ever think about that maybe the Windows way IS easier and people
Merely wondering about it doesn't make it so. Also, the mere
fact that people have been indoctrinated to use it is why it
may seem artificially easier. This is in contrast to someone
for whom the current WinDOS incarnation represents the 4th or
5th GUI they've been exposed to.
>might not need additional feature? You call them "indoctrinated into", I
...steered in one and only one direction.
This is distinct from having a pool of available candidates and
having a situation where there is some viable opportunity for
individual choice.
Did you ever think that just MAYBE WinDOS isn't the optimal
choice but is tolerated merely because people are used to it.
>call them practical. Just to get a program running on a system, regardless
>of the actual OS, a single file should be sufficient enough. Computers
This does not describe WinDOS.
>suppose to make life easier, not harder. If developers, admins, etc, want to
>play around with libraries and other features, that's fine. They should not
>try to push it on everage users as "it is as easy as setting up programs
>under Windows", because it isn't.
However, people aren't being "punished". That is the big lie.
Source is quite tolerant when it comes to dependencies and
binaries that have binary constraints have them for a reason
and not merely to torture fools.
>
>Snip....
>
>: >: Nevermind the fact that for a serious server, intel based machines
>: >: aren't going to be very price competitive anyways. That's not even
>: >: getting into the scaling and HA options that RISC vendors have
>: >: been delivering for years already.
>: >
>: >Intel based machine came on a long way and Sun will worry, before you
>know
>: >it.
>:
>: Intel based servers are still not price competitive.
>:
>: Intel based servers can't scale to the levels Suns can.
>
>The question is, does people need all of the scalability what Sun can
>provide all the times? Not to mention the fact that you didn't define the
Even single, uni-processor and relatively small servers aren't
necessarily priceperformance competitive just because they're
running an el-cheapo intel architecture.
Once you get beyond that, Intel lags quite quickly.
Plus, Intels start to loose their "price edge".
Plus, the top to bottom support options just aren't there.
Given the ongoing need for such systems that are more than
what you just replace with an old pentium running linux in
a closet somewhere: IBM, HP and Sun are in no immediate
danger of becoming irrelevant.
>level of scalability. Are you talking about the enterprise level machines,
>or something less than that?
>
>: Sun hardware isn't standing still either. It's undergoing another
>: rev both in terms of marketing numbers (cpu mhz) and bus bandwidth.
>
>Sun has been standing still for awhile now and just like Novell, too little
>too late.
The intel architecture has yet to catch up to previous
shipping Sun hardware at this point. The sorts of comments
that you hurl really mean considerably less than you would
have people believe.
Besides, Sun hasn't been standing still at all.
[deletia]
--
Q: Why do ducks have big flat feet?
A: To stamp out forest fires.
Q: Why do elephants have big flat feet?
A: To stamp out flaming ducks.
You're not an alcoholic unless you go to the meetings.
It was a brave man that ate the first oyster.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why I do use Windows
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:46:35 -0000
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:50:01 GMT, Keith Peterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>Your POS newsreader for Windows can't even wrap lines properly. If you
>>think that's better, that's your perogative.
>
><snip very long and well-thought-out post>
>
>Way to go, buddy.
>
>1) You quoted an extremely lengthy post in it's entirety merely to add two
>lines to it.
>
>2) You reduced a very balanced piece to one anti-Windows sentiment that
>addressed exactly NONE of the points mentioned therein.
>
>Aren't you proud?
Actually, he rather adequately demonstrated that WinDOS
shiny happiness isn't necessarily a silver bullet. His lack
of nettiquite might be a bit of a problem but that dosen't
alter the facts of his point.
If those shiny happy tools are so great, why did they botch
simple formating. If they didn't, why didn't you mention it?
Any other issue is really a red herring.
--
A woman did what a woman had to, the best way she knew how.
To do more was impossible, to do less, unthinkable.
-- Dirisha, "The Man Who Never Missed"
It is the quality rather than the quantity that matters.
- Lucius Annaeus Seneca (4 B.C. - A.D. 65)
Memory fault -- core...uh...um...core... Oh dammit, I forget!
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: Why I hate Windows...
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:48:34 -0000
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 22:43:46 GMT, Bob Hauck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 20:17:49 +1300, Gardiner Family
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Bob Hauck wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 17 Oct 2000 13:48:35 +1300, Matthew Gardiner
>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>> >a decent mail client would be one that is a mail client and usenet
>>> >client, that is small, fast and feature rich (such as spell checkers).
>>>
>>> Like...Pine?
>
>[re-ordered to the standard way]
>
>>except with a nice GUI, unfortunately I am one of those dumb, only use
>>console as a last resort types.
>
>Well, you didn't say _that_, and Pine meets all of the criteria that
>you did mention. It is really pretty easy to use, what with on-screen
>help bars and such.
Furthermore, Pine is not a "console". It is a character cell
rendered application. That doesn't mean it can't have all
of the spiffy features of a pixel rendered app. Under Unix,
one can even enable an otherwise curses/slang type app to
even exploit parts of X when running in that enviroment.
[deletia]
--
Coward, n.:
One who in a perilous emergency thinks with his legs.
-- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary"
Your own qualities will help prevent your advancement in the world.
MESSAGE ACKNOWLEDGED -- The Pershing II missiles have been launched.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:50:38 -0000
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:58:00 -0700, Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> example) actually was weak in a lot of areas and that the new version
>> >> (Win98, for example), fixes everything and is absolutely top of the
>line,
>> >> unbeatable, worth every penny, etc.
>> >
>> >Win98SE is the best Win9X platform you can get, without question. Win2K
>is
>>
>> ...much like saying something is the best perfumed dung.
>
>And? I'd say calling it dung is pretty harsh -- it does its job. Certainly
That's disputable.
>isn't an operating system that I would run out of choice -- but I have to
>run it on at least one of my computers for compatibility testing.
There is really no excuse to run Win9x.
--
Wouldn't this be a great world if being insecure and desperate were a turn-on?
-- "Broadcast News"
My godda bless, never I see sucha people.
-- Signor Piozzi, quoted by Cecilia Thrale
Magnocartic, adj.:
Any automobile that, when left unattended, attracts shopping carts.
-- Sniglets, "Rich Hall & Friends"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 00:59:56 -0000
On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 14:10:24 -0700, Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 13:12:38 -0700, Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>> >
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> On Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:09:53 GMT, Mike Byrns
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >wrote:
[deletia]
>> >Either way, you're making an wild statement here: Linux gurus are
>supposedly
>> >smarter than Windows/DOS gurus.
>>
>> By your own FUD regarding Linux, that pretty much has to be
>> the case...
>
>And, pray tell, what FUD would that be?
>
>> >
>> >It would have been more appropriate to claim that "People with experience
>in
>> >SCSI will have more luck than those who don't" -- mainly because it
>doesn't
>>
>> ...which leads to the inevetable parallel between people who
>> choose to use lesser known and used hardware standards and
>> people who choose to use lesser known and used operating systems.
>
>The two are completely disparate sets. Unless you'd like to take it to the
>conclusion that all Linux users DO NOT use IBM-PC compatible machines.
Quite a few don't and quite a few have. I have actually observed
quite a strong correlation between Linux users and experience with
older non-PC platforms.
Then again, meaningful support for alternate architectures certainly
helps "inflate" the numbers of people who don't run Linux on kludge
klones.
However, none of that is relevant.
You have to go out of your way to use SCSI (or just be clumsy).
Whereas "experience" with atapi based peripherals is a matter
of default based on what everyone wants to shove in your face.
>
>> >matter if you use Linux or Windows -- it's just whether or not you know
>how
>> >SCSI works.
>> >
>> >BTW: Most end users won't be buying SCSI peripherals anyway, unless
>they're
>> >using a Mac.
>>
>> This is still irrelevant.
>>
>> Most end users don't KNOW NOT to buy SCSI peripherals. The
>> distinctions that you take for granted simply don't occur
>> to them.
>>
>> You are out of touch with the common man.
>
>Not really. Name some of these peripherals.
Flatbed Scanner & Zipdrive.
>
>Also, they can always take it back to the store if it doesn't work. They can
>even ask someone there how to hook it up.
They won't know why they should take it back to the store or
really what to replace it with.
Being dependent on a local guru to give them gratis tech support
rather defeats the whole point of the WinTel PC concept.
>
>And heck, they might even do a search on the net, which will teach them
>about IDs, and terminators.
This presumes that they are that sort of person. The whole advertised
point of WinDOS is supposed to be the fact that noone has to be that
type of person anymore.
It's a brutal lie of course.
A dash of the hacker mentality is really a necessity.
This is what separates the 80yr old bubba from Moscow that can
barely speak english or move the mouse properly but can be
websurfing like a pro in an hour or so versus someone who has
let technology completely intimdate them.
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 17:56:44 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >isn't an operating system that I would run out of choice -- but I have to
> >run it on at least one of my computers for compatibility testing.
>
> There is really no excuse to run Win9x.
Yes there is, if your customers run it. And my customers run it, so I have
to use Win9X for compatibility testing.
I use Win2k for development work, Win9X for testing. There's my excuse.
Simon
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From: "Scaramanga" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A classic example of unfriendly Linux
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 02:10:26 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "The Ghost In The
Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Scaramanga
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Wed, 18 Oct 2000 03:33:24 +0000
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>> This is a piece of cake with either Norton Firewall, ZoneAlarm (free) or BlackIce
>or SonicWall which I believe is also free
>>> for personal use.
>>
>>ipchains doesnt allow remote users to execute shell commands though.
>
> That's what pcAnywhere and Remote Desktop are for. :-)
>
> (For Linux, ssh/sshd work very well.)
>
> [.sigsnip]
>
I actually meant unauthorised users, most of the products claaire mentioned have had
disasterous
(or at least dubious) security histories. Take for example, if you will, the problem
in Black Ices
iceCAP, which allows attackers to remotely execute shell commands, with no
authorsiation what so ever.
And yes, ssh2 is great :)
--
// Scaramanga
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 18:13:01 -0700
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> By your own FUD regarding Linux, that pretty much has to be
> >> the case...
> >
> >And, pray tell, what FUD would that be?
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I'm still waiting to hear what that FUD was, jedi.
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> >The two are completely disparate sets. Unless you'd like to take it to
the
> >conclusion that all Linux users DO NOT use IBM-PC compatible machines.
>
> Quite a few don't and quite a few have. I have actually observed
> quite a strong correlation between Linux users and experience with
> older non-PC platforms.
Hmmm... I've observed quite a strong correlation between expert users and
being experienced on other platforms too. Usually, the more computer savvy
you are, the more platforms you've used. Linux users are *computer savvy*.
There's very few, if any, who are computer-naive.
[snip]
> However, none of that is relevant.
>
> You have to go out of your way to use SCSI (or just be clumsy).
> Whereas "experience" with atapi based peripherals is a matter
> of default based on what everyone wants to shove in your face.
Ummm... huh?
You do have to go out of your way to use SCSI. ATA-peripherals (ATAPI is
actually SCSI packets sent over ATA command packets) come with default
settings, but you still have to mess with them -- master/slave being the
obvious problem.
> >> Most end users don't KNOW NOT to buy SCSI peripherals. The
> >> distinctions that you take for granted simply don't occur
> >> to them.
> >>
> >> You are out of touch with the common man.
> >
> >Not really. Name some of these peripherals.
>
> Flatbed Scanner & Zipdrive.
Most of which are parallel port or USB based. It's rare that you'd see a
SCSI device in that class unless you're using a Mac. Zipdrives are
USB/Parallel almost exclusively, unless you buy an add-on which runs it over
a SCSI card you can buy from IOMega. Jazz drives typically come with that
card already for speed. Both classes of device are set to move to
Firewire/USB2.0 soon instead of SCSI.
But on the whole, 99% of scanners out there are parallel port. No zipdrives
you can buy in a store come out of the box as SCSI devices.
> >
> >Also, they can always take it back to the store if it doesn't work. They
can
> >even ask someone there how to hook it up.
>
> They won't know why they should take it back to the store or
> really what to replace it with.
Then they can ask someone.
> Being dependent on a local guru to give them gratis tech support
> rather defeats the whole point of the WinTel PC concept.
Not really. The "Wintel PC concept" is slowly progressing. With firewire and
USB, it pretty much eradicates most of that problem.
> >
> >And heck, they might even do a search on the net, which will teach them
> >about IDs, and terminators.
>
> This presumes that they are that sort of person. The whole advertised
> point of WinDOS is supposed to be the fact that noone has to be that
> type of person anymore.
And? SCSI was invented about 20 years ago. Sure, it has advanced somewhat,
but it's still VERY old tech -- the biggest example being the ID selector
problem.
The fact that users have to know what SCSI is and does is NOT a software
problem. If the hardware itself isn't "plug and play", how do you expect the
software to be able to magically use it?
> It's a brutal lie of course.
>
> A dash of the hacker mentality is really a necessity.
If you're using SCSI, sure. If you're using other technologies --
USB/Firewire, nope. Again, I repeat: most peripherals are NOT SCSI.
> This is what separates the 80yr old bubba from Moscow that can
> barely speak english or move the mouse properly but can be
> websurfing like a pro in an hour or so versus someone who has
> let technology completely intimdate them.
So let's see... the "WinDOS guru" is intimidated by technology now? Sheesh.
Simon
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:40:59 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said FM in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>Just an observation; my writing style, or rather perhaps my
>defense of it, is analogous to functional programming style
>in some odd sense.
Oddly enough, I think I know what you mean. Considering English is not
your first language (I'd have never guessed, really; the nitpick I
pointed out was far more comprehensible than many others' I've read) you
are quite eloquent. I was not merely complaining about long, intricate
sentences; they are quite common in 'conversational writing'.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:37:03 -0400
Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>> >"Loren Petrich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >> > On Tue, 10 Oct 2000 05:07:26 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, STATIC66
>> >> > ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > >> Keep ducking and weaving Loren!! You don't like hearing than
>> >> > >> "visionary" Algore is a rich,poluting,beltway boy do you???
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Something you right-wingers normally pride yourself on being.
>> >> >
>> >> > HaHaHaHa yes we are all rich, poluting bastards..Still not coming to
>> >> > terms with reality are you...
>> >>
>> >> Thank you for admitting what you are.
>>
>> >I'm not sure wich is more pathetic, his poor attempt at sarcasm, or your not
>> >catching/admitting it was so.
>>
>> Chad,
>>
>> Your comments tell us that you are depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
>> -- that means you are an asshole. Go away and stay away.
>>
>So says the hypocrite LeTurd who posts from the equally
>hypocritical sover.net
>Where the fuck do those people at sovereign.net get off trying to ELIMINATE
>the personal sovereignty of fellow citizens?
You are not just a moron. If we go around the news groups we find you here
whining about anyone who sees through your bull shit and calls you on it. On
another group you currently have people calling you a phony since you claimed
to have a Presidential Citation and yet disappeared when asked to prove it.
You are sick man. Find a good shrink, and get the help you so clearly need.
And -- listen up moron -- as a vet, I'm thinking of reporting you, because if
you have security clearance -- your behavior as it t is displayed out her in
ciberspace -- is an indication that in the right position, you could well be a
serious risk to the Nation.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Because programmers hate users (Re: Why are Linux UIs so crappy?)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2000 21:43:04 -0400
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Richard in comp.os.linux.advocacy;
>FM wrote:
>> T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[...]
>Here's a clue: FP is no more "fundamental" than chemistry.
LOLROTFLMAO! :-D
Once again, Richard, you show that you are out of your depth, and a
crass, annoying, ignorant putz, besides. ;-)
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Distro 8.0 wish list...
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2000 01:43:19 GMT
Hey kids,
Alright, seeing as how many of the major distributors are in their 7.x
releases, I just thought I'd put out my 8.0 release wish list.
Linux kernel 2.4
gcc 3.0
KDE 2
GNOME 2
GTK+ 2.0
KOffice
GNOMEOffice
OpenOffice
WP 8.0 lite
Mozilla 1
Netscape 6
XFree86 4
Borland's Kylix
Sawfish & Enlightenment (would like to compare...)
Good OpenGL drivers for Voodoo cards (NVidia needs competition)
At least one good desktop publishing program (Quark preferably)
More Themes & Iconsets & Propaganda Art
Lesse, if 6.0 came out in the summer of 1999 and 7.0 came out in the
summer of 2000, looks like I'll be right on time cursing the Mandrake
8.0 release by... next July?
Aw man, can't wait can't wait can't wait...
And yes, I have to buy this stuff because I don't have a cable modem.
Seriously, I think all that stuff should be ready by then. Doable? Yea
or nay? (totally kick-ASS collection of software if yea, imho) Anything
missing? Don't really use Samba, Apache, Perl, etc. so I don't know
what stage they'll be at...
-ws
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Linux may be obtained via one of these FTP sites:
ftp.funet.fi pub/Linux
tsx-11.mit.edu pub/linux
sunsite.unc.edu pub/Linux
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