Linux-Advocacy Digest #875, Volume #29 Fri, 27 Oct 00 18:13:03 EDT
Contents:
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! (2:1)
Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system. (2:1)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Static66)
Re: MS Hacked? (sfcybear)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Static66)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (2:1)
Re: Linux Beats NT! (2:1)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Roberto Alsina)
Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install. (rich)
Help with system call (guest)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. (Michael Marion)
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Vann")
Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake (Michael Marion)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! (Michael Marion)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Steve Mading)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Steve Mading)
Why don't I use Linux? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: What I don't like about RedHat Linux. (Michael Marion)
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:01:13 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Shannon Hendrix" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8tbaj6$oj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <F%fJ5.15978$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > > In all fairness to Chad, Linux does not detect RAM correctly on certain
> > > > computers. For instance, the Thinkpad that I use...Linux will only detect
> > > > the first 64MB.
> > >
> > > Certain? How about the majority.
> >
> > I'm sure Chad will post his personal verification of this.
>
> Well, the 8 or 9 systems I installed, all the systems my friends have installed,
> confessions from Linvocates themselves (earlier in this thread and others like
> it) and several Linvocates confirming that it is a bug in Linux that is uses
> the BIOS to determine the RAM which doesn't always work right.
>
> Regardless, no matter, how they're doing it, they're doing it wrong, because
> it doesn't work right on ALL systems. Specifically, the 810 seems to be
> the worst, as it only detects 16MB of RAM. The 810 chipset is pretty popular
> and is common place in the business world on the desktop.
>
> >
> > > Note: If you get this wrong, KERNEL PANIC...
> >
> > I'm sure that no other OS panics if you like to it about the RAM it
> > has.
>
> Other OSes are competent enough to be able to do simple things like
> discover the amount of RAM installed in the machine. Unfortunately,
> Linux isn't capable of the basics like this.
>
> >
> > > > (That's with Staroffice and Netscape both active, along with other bits)
> > >
> > > Both hogs, geez...
> >
> > Windows lusers probably wouldn't notice high RAM usage, since it's
> > a normal every day issue.
>
> It is? How so?
>
> > > Spare us the Microsoft conspiracy bit... BeOS Personal Edition was able to
> > > detect it all just fine.
> >
> > > Face it, it's yet another example of the less-than-good programming
> > > efforts of the Linux team.
> >
> > Well, that's just too much bullshit from one human. The meter is in
> > the red.
>
> Ah yes... stick the head in the sand. Deny, deny, deny... insult, insult,
> insult.
And what do you do? Oh, yeah, you ignore the good arguments.
-Ed
>
> How come no other OS has this problem on any hardware? It's _JUST_ Linux.
> Why? Why does Linux have this problem?
>
> -Chad
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ()
Subject: Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:16:05 GMT
On 27 Oct 2000 18:07:14 GMT, rich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Also schrieb MH:
>>Agh! This moron got by my filter by going to yahoo.
>
>I thought I expired the bozo bin entry by mistake, thanks for confirming
>that I didn't go insane.
>
You don't filter all of yahoo? I filter all sites that give away unverified
disposable accounts. Yahoo, hotmail, iname, etc. are nothing but a spammers'
paradise.
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win 2k Rocks!!!! Linux? It's days are numbered on my system.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:09:43 +0100
MH wrote:
I don't usually correct spelling and grammar, but considering the
post...
I don't mind typos and bad spelling, but when someone complains about
grammar and spelling in other peoples posts, whilst making mistakes that
are unlikely to be typos...
> Its really quite simple. The lose use of contractions is a loosing
> proposition here in cola.
> There really never going to understand that until they're grammar and basic
^^^^^^
Should be they're
> spelling is improved upon, their not going to gain credibility. If they've
> cant write English, then there not going to write very good code. It makes
^^^^ ^^^^^
can't they're
Besides, why can't a non English speaker write code. The pseudo-english
words that a language uses are easy to learn: in C there are only a few,
which makes it easier. and besides with a few macros, you can make
foreign language equivalents to the commands.
> me loose my mind to see's it's over and over and over again.
Ha.
Any spelling/grammer mistakes are puerly for ironic purposes.
-Ed
>
> (-:
>
> "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > MH wrote:
> >
> > > It is days are numbered?
> > > I don't understand.
> >
> > That's an expression. Saying that something's days are numbered means
> > that
> > it will soon cease to exist.
> >
> > Or were you complaining about it's vs. its?
> >
> > Colin Day
> >
> >
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Static66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:19:46 GMT
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:05:41 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Oct 2000 23:07:29 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Loren Petrich wrote:
>> >> Sort of like a yellow-dog Democrat.
>> >Translation: fat-ass wanna-be-dictator socialist losers like Loren.
>
>> well he is of croatian decent and they did side with the nazi's for
>> awile if I'm not mistaken...
>
> So what?
Now that is a strong argument..
>
>> its also Funny how he chose to rip my military service in bosnia, when
>> his family came from the region and should know full well of the
>> horrors and hardships suffered there.
>
> So what?
Wow, your responses are improving.
I wish I could see your eyes glaze over as you futilely try to argue.
I'll bet that one rock is just a rattling away in that blockhead of
yours...
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS Hacked?
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:11:30 GMT
3 MONTHS????? WOW!
In article <8tbp20$clh$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Could the source code get out somehow, or is this just a hoax?
>
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/business/newsid_993000/993933.stm
>
> Stu
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Static66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 20:21:46 GMT
On Fri, 27 Oct 2000 15:00:23 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Richardson
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 16 Oct 2000 05:16:42 GMT,
>> Loren Petrich, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> brought forth the following words...:
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Richardson
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> >> I am a little confused as to what your response has to do wrt Mr "Earth in
>> >> the Balance, but zinc mining profits in my checkbook balance" Gore.
>> >
>> > Typical yellow-dog Republicanism. Compared to Gore's zinc mine,
>> >Bush's Texas air is far worse.
>
>> Why is it you assume that anyone who is not pro-gore must be pro-bush?
>
>> Gore owns a zinv mine, in tennessee, that has twice been cited by the state
>> for groundwater pollution. The state is considering legal action, to force
>> Gore
>> to clean up the tailings. What does that have to do with the governor of Texas?
>
> Because that's what his opponent is, and I don't see any complaining
>from you about how Bush is Gore in disguise or whatever.
What about Larry Browne Loren! How about Ralph Nader (he is a kook
like you)
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 13:19:47 -0700
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:sOeK5.19474$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Too bad you're using Netscape's crappy news reader.
>
> Outlook Express has the concept of Identities which would allow
> you and other members of your families to have seperate, unique
> configurations.
Actually, Netscape's email and newsreaders supported it last time I checked.
It's slightly more cumbersome than the OE equivalent, but not much.
Simon
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:25:04 +0100
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> Too bad you're using Netscape's crappy news reader.
>
> Outlook Express has the concept of Identities which would allow
> you and other members of your families to have seperate, unique
> configurations.
Well, guess what, UNIX has th concept of MULTIPLE USERS, so I can just
open up a netscape as a different user if I want a different name.
Not only does it make identities obsolete, but it makes the handling of
different users setings consistent between all programs. IIRC, windows
doesn't have a good consistent way of keeping track of all users private
settings for all programs (including 3rd party ones).
In fact, I know it doesn't because some programs only support settings
for 1 user.
Also you're talking bullshit again, since NS can manage profiles quite
happily.
-Ed
>
> -Chad
> "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Member of the family, can't be bothered changing the from title.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > JS/PL wrote:
> >
> > > "Gardiner Family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Following on from other posters, it also fails to list the 200 copies I
> > > gave
> > > > out to students at my IT course when learning UNIX (Which is a very big
> > > > module, the copy installed on the UNIX server at my UNI. is Debian w/
> > > Kernel
> > > > 2.0.36).
> > > >
> > > > Matt
> > >
> > > Is your whole family contributing to the thread, or just you? Are you the
> > > Gardiner Family editor, or just a contributor?
> >
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: 2:1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux Beats NT!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 23:27:36 +0100
Woah, take some deep breaths, man.
-Ed
Gardiner Family wrote:
>
> 1. READ THE FUCKING POST, I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT FUCKING WEBSERVERS YOU
> FUCKING CUNT HEAD, I AM TALKING ABOUT BIG FUCKING SERVERS USED INSIDE BIG
> FUCKING CORPERATE NETWORKS SERVING HUNDREDS AND THOUSANDS OF EMAILS, FILES
> AND APPLICATIONS TO THOUSANDS OF USERS PER DAY.
>
> 2. TCP.ORG IS ACTUALLY THE WEBSITE FOR THE TEXAS CHURCH PLANTERS YOU FUCKING
> CUNT HEAD, GET A FUCKING LIFE YOU FUCKING DICK HEAD.
>
> 3. RESEARCHED A NUMBER OF SITES (YAHOO.COM, GOOGLE.COM, REAL.COM,
> WHITEHOUSE.GOV, BE.COM, IBM.COM, APPLE.COM, ZDNET.COM, WINZIP.COM) ALL USE A
> UNIX VARIANT INSTEAD OF WINDOWS, GET THE FUCKING HINT, NOBODY WANTS TO USE
> WINDOWS AS A WEBSERVER EXCEPT FOR THOSE TO GUTLESS TO STAND UP AGAINST THE
> WINTEL MONOPOLY.
>
> matt
--
Konrad Zuse should recognised. He built the first | Edward Rosten
binary digital computer (Z1, with floating point) the | Engineer
first general purpose computer (the Z3) and the first | u98ejr@
commercial one (Z4). | eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 17:46:35 -0300
El vie, 27 oct 2000, Relax escribió:
>"Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:00102713034001.19543@pc03...
>> El mié, 25 oct 2000, Relax escribió:
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:8t52ve$v5p$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> These memory drawing surfaces are not really used for things like
>device
>> >> independant printing. Printing is generally done via PostScript and
>for
>> >> non poscript devices the 'driver' is basically a usermode program that
>> >> takes postscript input and generates binary output for the given
>device.
>> >
>> >That's one of the main points here: drawing on screen with X and drawing
>on
>> >paper with PostScript are two completely separate things on Unix,
>requiring
>> >separate code, separate libraries and probably more work for the
>developer.
>>
>> No. They are not, if you use a toolkit that integrates both things, as all
>> modern toolkits do. I have told you this about a dozen times already.
>
>You can always add everything you like to any OS no matter how weak it is to
>start with. Under Windows, the "modern toolkit" that "integrates both
>things" was built in since the inception of the OS and first released in mid
>1985.
Nonsense. Until the introduction of truetype fonts, at least, what was that,
1990?
Besides, are you discussing the situation today, or in 1985? If it's today, you
should stop acting as if the things that exist are not there. That attitude
leads to bruised foreheads.
--
Roberto Alsina
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (rich)
Subject: Re: An entire morning wasted on a Linux install.
Date: 27 Oct 2000 20:44:24 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Also schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
>You don't filter all of yahoo? I filter all sites that give away unverified
>disposable accounts. Yahoo, hotmail, iname, etc. are nothing but a spammers'
>paradise.
There are NGs that I do that with; misc.fitness.weights is at the top of
the list; but nothing here yet has pushed me over the edge. Even
claire has her moments.
--
Catch the cluetrain. http://www.cluetrain.com
Q. What's the difference between Batman and Bill Gates?
A. When Batman fought the Penguin, he won.
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From: guest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.perl.misc,comp.os.linux
Subject: Help with system call
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:02:01 GMT
Hi, I am trying to execute couple of linux commands from this little
script, but the rpm part
doesn't work. The output is a small table with date and version of the
rpm package.
Any input will be greatly appreciated.
Reply to email, please.
Thanks.
#!/usr/bin/perl -w
require "html.pl";
require "table.pl";
my $version = `cat /opt/product/bin/product_VERSION`;
my $date = `rpm -qi product | grep Install`;
&ch_start_html();
&ct_start_table(2, 'About Product', 'Date Installed', 'Product
Version');
&ct_table_row($date, $version);
&ct_end_table();
#debugging lines
print $version;
print $date;
print "rpm is " . `rpm -qi product`;
&ch_end_html();
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:06:57 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> I seem to recal you are people like you continually bashing Microsoft
> for the lateness of Win2K. But Win2K was much better than anyone
> expected and included more features than anyone expected. It advanced
> the state of OS technology.
The really sad part is that you probably really believe that 2k "advanced the
state of OS technology."
> Linux is trying to play catch-up. When you
> look the feature list for Win2k and the feature list for Linux 2.4,
> Win2K still has more features.
Yeah right... one reason that it often takes longer to finish a linux kernel
is because (unlike for windows) the code has to be written so that it runs,
not only on x86 platforms, but sparc, alpha, ppc, etc.
The only way that linux needs to "catch up" to windows in any way (and it has
nothing to do with the core OS) is in the gaming arena, and it needs a DVD
player.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://www.miguelito.org
Give a man a match and he'll be warm for an hour... Set him on fire and
he'll be warm for the rest of his life
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From: "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:15:18 GMT
In article <u8fK5.19481$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> But the problem with this... you guys always say that's why Linux is
> better because there are no hard and fast deadlines, but it doesn't
> show. Linux now exceeds NT 4.0 on hacked sites list, it's taking over on
> the number of bugs list, and the response time for patches is worse than
> Microsoft in most cases. This just doesn't hold up.
Add another mark to Microsoft in 'hacked sites', Microsoft itself was just
broken into, and all the sources say the 'hackers' have had access for
around three months. Sure makes me want to use Windows2k and IIS!
Note: Until this happened, I actually didn't mind Microsoft, and I enjoyed
Windows2k. However, this event has more than shaken me a little bit, so,
until I see how this ends up, I'm going to be paranoid about all Microsoft
products.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Debian vs RedHat/Mandrake
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:25:39 GMT
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
> Of course, when comparing the Win2K machine with 512 meg of RAM,
> 40 gig hard drive, and 1 gigaflop/BIPs processor to the SunOS 4.0
> with 8 meg of RAM, 512 meg hard drive, and 10 Mips processor, it
> would be silly to thing that little underpowered toy would be a
> useful as a machine nearly 100 times bigger and 100 times faster.
When I was at SDSU, our main server (ucssun1/rohan) was a Sparc 1000E with
512Meg of RAM.. definately not as small as you describe, but not a huge server
either. It used to average about 450 simultaneous users, many running full X
sessions on NCD X-terminals, plus tons of copyies of Netscape (of course)...
not to mention all the people playing netrek, xpilot, students compiling code,
reading news, Email, etc. The machine's response was always great.
I've yet to see NT/2k come even remotely close to this level of user support,
even with a huge W2k server using WTS/Citrix.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://www.miguelito.org
A Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer is to computing what a
McDonalds Certified Food Specialist is to fine cuisine
-> Stolen off of a /. post.
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:33:34 GMT
Chad Myers wrote:
> How come no other OS has this problem on any hardware? It's _JUST_ Linux.
> Why? Why does Linux have this problem?
IIRC, it was a design decision. I believe it had to do with the fact that
linux doesn't always boot directly from LILO, grub, etc, but can also be
loaded via loadlin. I think there was talk that it could've been fixed, but
doing so would've broken loadlin compatibility and/or would break on older
hardware. Since part of Linux's draw is that it can be run a myriad of ways
on even ancient (by today's standards) hardware, it was left as it is so that
all could boot properly, and only those with very specific mobo/BIOS
combinations would have to use the mem argument... but they can still boot,
whereas the other method wouldn't boot at all (and neither would any other OS
if it used that method under the same circumstances).
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://www.miguelito.org
"The day that Microsoft makes something that doesn't suck is the day that they
start making vacuum cleaners." - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 27 Oct 2000 21:34:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: You can always add everything you like to any OS no matter how weak it is to
: start with. Under Windows, the "modern toolkit" that "integrates both
: things" was built in since the inception of the OS and first released in mid
: 1985.
And it never had TCP/IP or daemons, or multi-user, or any of the other
things Unix had in 1985. Big deal. Limiting to only the stuff the OS
first came out with in the beginning will make Windows look terrible.
What matters is what does it come out with today. Today, Unix (or more
accurately, the modern X-window toolkits) don't have the problem.
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From: Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 27 Oct 2000 21:38:38 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Steve Mading" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:8ta9o7$efi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Relax <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:> : <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8t83qo$fld$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> :> In article <39f76a1d$0$32632$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
:>
:> :> NT4, NT5, 95, 95OSR2, 98, 98SE, ME -- they all
:> :> have their little quirks you have to program around.
:>
:> : Hmm, probably the same (or worse?) across different flavors of Unix.
:>
:> But different flavors of unix don't all come from the same
:> copmany. If, for example, the various versions of Solaris were
:> as splintered as the various flavors of Windows are, then this
:> would indicate something very disorganized going on at Sun.
: Or that they have to target different markets, like MS does.
The distinction between server OSes and workstation OSes is a
made-up one. It's a distinction that only MS has. For everyone
else, they are the same OS - the only difference is the hardware
typically used for the task. For example, the little blue-toaster
SGI o2 (a workstation) runs Irix 6.5. So does a big parallel
processor SGI server.
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Subject: Why don't I use Linux?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Pete Goodwin)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:44:15 GMT
Why haven't I switched from Windows to Linux?
In a word: Software.
There are packages on Windows for which there are no equivalents on Linux
that I can see as yet.
Borland Delphi and C++ Builder are two of these packages. They are going
to appear on Linux, but not yet.
Paint Shop Pro is a cheap graphics package that beats any of the free
packages I've seen on Linux.
Word is not my favourite tool and there is Star Office on Linux.
Excel is a pretty good spreadsheet - I've not really tried anything
on Linux.
Digiguide is a TV listing guide available for the UK. Is there any
equivalent for that on Linux, again UK based?
My sound card, an ESS Allegro is not supported by Linux.
3D Sound is not available on Linux.
USB devices are not fully supported on Linux - my USB ZIP 250 drive and HP
scanner are not supported. Is there anything for my USB Intel WebCamera?
XNews is a news reader on Windows; there are plenty of news readers on
Linux.
My US Robotics 56k modem is supported on both Windows and Linux, no
problem there.
CD writing is supported on Windows and Linux, though I've not
tried it on Linux.
I use WinZIP - what's the Linux equivalent? gzipped tar archives!
I have a Series 5 Psion - is there connection software on Linux for it?
Unreal Tournament is on both platforms; the lack of 3D sound on Linux
is a problem. Same with Quake III Arena.
Firewall software exists on both Windows and Linux; I use ZoneAlarm
on Windows. Is there something as easy to setup and use on Linux?
What would make me switch to Linux?
The unreliability of Windows 98 SE. I'm not talking about Windows NT or
2000 here, just 95/98/ME. My system is currently getting crankier every
day. I put up with it because of the lack of software on Linux but I
could try switching to Windows 2000. Everything I've mentioned above
works on Windows 2000 (except possibly CD writing and the scanner, dunno
about those).
--
Pete Goodwin
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What I don't like about RedHat Linux.
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2000 21:47:00 GMT
Steve Mading wrote:
> If I drop out to the prompt between step 1 and 2, the fdisk hasn't
> really happened yet - it just asked me the questions, but didn't carry
> out the action yet.
Actually, if you choose to use fdisk instead of the GUI for partitioning, you
can get to it beforehand. At least with RH up to 6.2 you could... I know
because I have.
--
Mike Marion - Unix SysAdmin/Engineer, Qualcomm Inc. - http://www.miguelito.org
[The Quickie Mart was robbed, during the robbery Homer dove into the chips]
Apu: "You can emerge now from my chips, the opportunity to prove yourself a
hero is long gone." -- The Simpsons
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