Linux-Advocacy Digest #875, Volume #31 Wed, 31 Jan 01 20:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! ("Gary Hallock")
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Bill knows what's best for you ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Whistler predictions... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft ("Bennetts family")
Re: LinuxWorld Trip Report ("Bennetts family")
Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: New Microsoft Ad :-) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) )
("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT (Marty)
Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING ("Bennetts family")
Re: Help !! rpm ver. 4 ("Edward Rosten")
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From: "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:03:29 +0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Welcome to Linux.
>
> You have been warned.
>
One again you jump on the anti-Linux bandwagon without giving any thought
to what was posted. You are just way too eager to bash Linux. As has
already been said by others, it is physically impossible to destroy an
LCD with software.
Gary
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:01:26 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Nick Condon wrote:
>
> > Bullshit. Every Unix system in existence supports telnet from inetd. There
> > are no Unix telnet servers.
>
> Bullshit yourself.
>
> It won't install.
>
IT ALREADY ***IS*** installed, you fucking MORON.
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Bill knows what's best for you
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:06:26 +0000
>> Yeah! Windows is so intuitive!
>
> Yeah, like in Linux where if you want a GUI to start on bootup you edit
> /etc/inittab and change the run level to 5.
Specious argument. Linux being unintuitive[*] does not make any differenc
to whether windows is intuitive or not.
[*] use a GUI config tool.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler predictions...
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:03:14 -0500
Peter Hayes wrote:
>
> On Tue, 30 Jan 2001 08:03:17 GMT, "Christopher L. Estep"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:952j11$pml$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > No, reducing retraining costs is what 9x is all about.
> > >
> > And, to an extent, it was the reason for why NT 4 was designed the way it
> > was. The fact that NT 4 (and Windows 2000) use the Windows 9x UI was to
> > ELIMINATE (to a large extent) OS retraining costs. Which they have, in
> > spades. Case in point: Comcast Cable Communications is the third largest
> > cable company in North America, and is practically a floor-to-ceiling
> > NT/2000 shop. Almost the entirety of the user base normally uses Windows 9x
> > away from the office. How much OS retraining has Comcast had to do? Answer:
> > NONE. The Customer Account Executives have "roaming profiles" that can
> > follow them all over the company, all over the country. When do they know
> > that they are NOT running 9x? When an application crashes, and they need
> > merely restart the offending application, rather than the whole OS. Two of
> > the more crash-prone applications run against a rather persnickety Oracle
> > database. When it crashes, the user merely restarts the app, rather than
> > reboot the whole OS, as they would have to under 9x. My own NT desktop has
> > rebooted a grand total of TWICE in three months (and one of those was due to
> > an application upgrade).
>
> You mean you *still* have to reboot when you upgrade an application? Just
> the job for a "floor-to-ceiling NT/2000 shop" - change a printer driver on
> a server and the whole place grinds to a halt.
>
> Don't you think it's about time Microsoft rebuilt their OSs to eliminate
> these endless reboots? But maybe that's not possible since it's built into
> the philosophy of their OSs. Besides, the endless reboots disguise the
> limited uptime. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exactly.
> Peter
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:11:20 +1100
"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> For the intellectually challenged, the mere act of me posting this piece
> doesn't mean I support Microsoft's stance.
And just because I'm using OE doesn't mean I'm at all enjoying the
experience.
> I proposed that Microsoft might be running scared a few days ago. To
> continue the analogy, I now think we're in supersonic territory :-)
Yes, Microsoft is screaming in vain. It's patently obvious lack of
confidence is going to kill it. Essentially they are saying "We are dead.
Not even .Net can save us now.". It can only be a matter of weeks or months
before sales die off. "If Microsoft isn't confident in itself, we sure can't
be confident in Microsoft.", I can hear execs holding purse strings saying.
We have almost won!
--Chris
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From: "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: LinuxWorld Trip Report
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:14:05 +1100
"Sponge" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Well I wasted today watching the Geek in his native environment.
> God, the STENCH of Linux was everywhere but I couldn't tell if it was the
> operating system or the geeks, dorks, nerds, propeller-heads that were in
mass
> attendance at the Javits Center.
Well I'd rather geeks, dorks, and nerds writing my OS than some people with
MSCEs playing with VS and have never seen a command line in their life.
Snip
So what *were* you doing a LinuxWorld?
--Chris
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:09:26 GMT
Microsoft has done more than any other company to put computers into
the home and to make them friendly and fun to use.
Linux on the other hand seems to want to turn the clock back on
computing and put us back in the early 1990's again.
As an example, take the latest Windows Media Player which is V7.x.
After delaying my upgrade til MS got the bugs out, which have all been
fixed, I finally got around to downloading and using it.
Of course it was so simple to download and install because the link is
right there on the MS home page. Upon starting up the Media Player it
was obvious that a lot of effort went into the graphics and ergonomics
of this piece of software. Even with the default skin, it looks smooth
and crisp and it is very pleasing on the eyes. The visualizations are
particularly nice, with the kid drawing solo dance being my favorite.
My kids love this thing and have been trying out the various skins and
so forth and just plain having a fun time with it.
Now contrast this with Linux XMMS, about the best player (and that's
all it does) that Linux has to offer.
Take a good look at how boxy and shitty it looks.
Look at the skins, most of which are too dark to even read the
lettering.
Boring, not to mention the help system, which you will need because
this piece of junk is a jumble of controls scattered all over the
place.
That's of course assuming you can traverse some ftp site and figure
out what you need to install and run it.
Nope sorry.
This is but a small example, but it clearly shows that Microsoft cares
about the user and putting some fun in computers.
Linux cares about.......? Well who even knows....
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lookout! The winvocates have a new FUD strategy!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:10:00 GMT
On Thu, 1 Feb 2001 00:01:31 +0000, Pete Goodwin
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>I think I'll collect a few, then create the "Linux OOPSIE" page.
I have a few of my own to contribute.
>Maybe I'll try loading this 130MByte text file into all the Linux editors
>and see what happens. PFE created it (wrote it out, loaded it back in etc.).
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: New Microsoft Ad :-)
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:07:23 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> Kenn Guilstorf wrote:
> >
> > Incidentally, I'm running an old P3 500 and I can get an MP3 to play, while
> > I'm recording a CD, browsing the internet, downloading a file from an FTP
> > server, and reading newsgroups (I was working to solve a programming
> > problem I was having...damn caffeine-free pop). It didn't miss a beat --
> > which surprised me, 'cause I think Win9x would have crapped all over itself.
>
> I'll bet you have at least 128 Mb of RAM. 98 works better with large amounts
> of RAM. By the way, I wish I could browse the internet and read newsgroups
> at the same time, like you.
It's kind of weird knowing that there's more memory in the two boxes
sitting
next to me ( 256M & 288M) than existed on the ENTIRE campus of Purdue
University
when I started attending there (1983)...and that was, even for a
university,
a VERY computer-intensive campus at the time (even in 1983, over 50% of the
student population had Unix computer accounts with e-mail).
>
> > I can't comment about this ability in Linux, though. Not because I haven't
> > tried it, but because I can't get my sound card nor my DSL connection to
> > work correctly in Linux (this is not, nor was it meant to be, a slam on
> > Linux. Just because I can't do something doesn't mean it can't be
> > done...just means I haven't finished writing the software for it... :)
>
> It may not be Linux... check out this link and see if it will help you:
>
> http://feenix.eyep.net/xstuff/linux_dsl.html
>
> Have you tried "sndconfig" (w/RedHat)?
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Flipping the Bozo bit at 400 MHz
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Global Configuration tool (WAS: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it
does) )
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:12:58 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > However, Kyle Jacobs has yet to identify any of them.
> >
> > He's probably still trying to come up with Schrodinger's equation.
> >
>
>
> +---------------------------------------+
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
> | |
Other way round you ass.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Yum! A new laptop screen, i thinks ill fry it!
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2001 19:14:09 -0500
meow wrote:
>
> Well this is just great
> I havent even had my Sony Vaio a week and the screens fucked
> I installed Mandrake 7.2 and when asked to choose a monitor choosse lcd
> that can do 1024x768 which worked fine initially but after a reboot it
> trashed the screen which is now permament
Liar. LCD screens are NOT susceptable to damage by too high of
a dot-clock setting.
> Fortunately its new and under warranty so ill get a new machine from
> them.
> This isnt the first time this has happened to me. Linux also fucked up a
> monitor i had a few years back too.
Translation: Meow was tooo STUPID to read the EXPLICIT INSTRUCTIONS
to reference his monitors specs for maximum dot-clock frequency.
> THIS SHOULD NOT BE POSSIBLE. THERE IS NO REASON THIS CANT BE CODED SO
> THAT THE USER CAN ONLY CHOOSE OPTIONS THAT HIS MONITOR SUPPORTS.
> iTS EXTREMELY BAD PROGRAMMING THAT IT ALLOWS THEM TO SCREW UP THERE
> MACHINE SO VERY EASILY.
> Im a very experienced computer user and a program of 15 years so im not
> some hopeless newbie that can barely switch on there machine.
So experienced, that you COMPLETELY IGNORED *specific* and *dire*
warnings to make sure that you don't specify too high a frequency?
What wents wrong....fuzzy thinking from semen inhalation...or what...
>
> mr angry
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: THOLEN IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:16:03 GMT
turtoni wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> > Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
> >
> > >> Edward Rosten writes:
> >
> > >>>>>>>>> It was origionally a tholen.vs.malloy thread.
> >
> > >>>>>>>> Incorrect, given that I haven't responded to Malloy.
> >
> > >>>>>>> Granted. It was a malloy vs tholen thread---he had responded to you.
> >
> > >>>>>> Rather one-sided to be using "vs".
> >
> > >>>>> Mabey, but he is still arguing with you (even though you don't
> > >>>>> respond).
> >
> > >>>> Illogical, given that it takes two to argue.
> >
> > >>> Read his posts. It looks like he's arguing,
> >
> > >> With whom?
> >
> > >>> in fact he is arguing,
> >
> > >> With whom?
> >
> > >>> but he's getting no response.
> >
> > >> Not much of an argument, is it?
> >
> > >>> He's certainly attempting to argue.
> >
> > >> Do make up your mind.
> >
> > >>>>> I think vs. is justified.
> >
> > >>>> What you think is irrelevant; the fact is that it takes two to argue.
> >
> > >>>>>>>>> It's moved on since, hence the new suggestion for the name.
> >
> > >>>>>>>> You're erroneously presupposing that it was origionally [sic] a
> > >>>>>>>> "tholen.vs.malloy" thread.
> >
> > >>>>>>> I have now restated a more accurate version.
> >
> > >>>>>> Not accurate enough.
> >
> > >>>>> I believe it is, but that's just an opinion.
> >
> > >>>> What you believe is irrelevant; the fact is that it takes two to argue.
> >
> > >>> See above.
> >
> > >> I see an inconsistency above. First you said he is arguing, but then
> > >> you said he's attempting to argue.
> >
> > >>>>>>> It has now moved on from that.
> >
> > >>>>>> Actually, the situation hasn't changed. I'm still ignoring Malloy
> > >>>>>> like I was at the beginning of the thread, and Malloy is still posting
> > >>>>>> his ridiculous responses like he was at the beginning of the thread.
> > >>>>>> He hasn't moved on.
> >
> > >>>>> That part of the situation has changed, but Marty has since joined in,
> > >>>>> which means that some parts of the situation have changed.
> >
> > >>>> Not the parts relevant to you calling it "malloy vs tholen".
> >
> > >>> How about
> > >>>
> > >>> malloy vs (tholen)
> > >>>
> > >>> to indicate the subject, but also to indicate that you are not taking
> > >>> part.
> >
> > >> How about "malloy vs ", to indicate that nobody else is taking part.
> > >> Why specify me?
> >
> > > You're such a victim in all this.
> >
> > You're the one spewing the invective, Kulkis.
>
> you have very tidy posting.
> and thanks for shining a light on that dark corner.
>
> we (the royal snigger we) soc.singles would now like you to discuss:
> abortion. religion, the death penalty, guns, drugs and sex.
Troll population getting a bit thin over there?
> turtoni - but only if you're a gay black alchoholic gun nut methodist
> priest.
After noticing the crosspost to soc.singles (much to my amusement), I took the
opportunity to browse the group. The discussions in soc.singles make an
average argument with Tholen look like a logical, highly organized, well
directed discussion which rapidly converges on a goal of higher
understanding. Thanks for the new perspective.
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From: "Bennetts family" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is FUN and Linux is BORING
Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2001 11:24:04 +1100
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Microsoft has done more than any other company to put computers into
> the home and to make them friendly and fun to use.
Probably the only thing they have done to advance the world of computers
(and full credit to them, they did get computers out into the home).
> Of course it was so simple to download and install because the link is
> right there on the MS home page. Upon starting up the Media Player it
> was obvious that a lot of effort went into the graphics and ergonomics
> of this piece of software. Even with the default skin, it looks smooth
> and crisp and it is very pleasing on the eyes. The visualizations are
> particularly nice, with the kid drawing solo dance being my favorite.
> My kids love this thing and have been trying out the various skins and
> so forth and just plain having a fun time with it.
WMP7 is a bloated turdpile. On my last Windows install I tried it, and got
sick of it very quickly, and I returned CD playing duties to the basic,
standard Windows CD Player. CDDB sucks. This install, I left Media Player at
6.3/4. Much better, and leaner.
> Now contrast this with Linux XMMS, about the best player (and that's
> all it does) that Linux has to offer.
> Take a good look at how boxy and shitty it looks.
> Look at the skins, most of which are too dark to even read the
> lettering.
Ever seen WinAmp, which is the thing XMMS clones off? Not particularly
bright, either.
> This is but a small example, but it clearly shows that Microsoft cares
> about the user and putting some fun in computers.
MP7 is distracting and a waste.
> Linux cares about.......? Well who even knows....
Programmers, and anyone else who wants to get work done (whatever that work
is).
--Chris
------------------------------
From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Help !! rpm ver. 4
Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2001 00:24:51 +0000
In article <9590d8$5e0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Can someone point me to where I can get an rpm for RPM Ver 4, done so I
> can load it with (or upgrade) rpm ver 3 (on Red Hat 6.1) ?
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
There's a binary rpm v4 executable on the RH7 install disk. You can use
this to install RPM4. You must ignore all dependences, but be sure to
take note and then install the new stuff.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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