Linux-Advocacy Digest #15, Volume #30 Fri, 3 Nov 00 05:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Perry Pip)
Re: Windows 2000 magazine admits Open Source software is more secure. (Perry Pip)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Perry Pip)
Re: Software companies better than tire companies?? Please. (Was: Tuff.. (Jacques
Guy)
Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!! (Perry Pip)
Re: BIFF? Who remembers biff? I have much more... ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft == Firestone (Was: Tuff Competition for LINUX! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Software companies better than tire companies?? Please. (Was: Tuff.. (Perry Pip)
Re: BIFF? Who remembers biff? I have much more... (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Re: to all who responded ("Tiro Verus")
Re: What was stolen! ("Patrick Raymond Hancox")
Windows resources (was Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever) ("David Brown")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Mark Lindner)
Free ISP for Linux! (...and heres the catch) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Free ISP for Linux? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 3 Nov 2000 06:50:19 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 12:53:58 -0600,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2000 23:28:26 -0600,
>> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:3a00b5cf$3$yrgbherq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >Look, NT was as much at fault in the yorktown as the OS that was used
>in
>> >the
>> >> >Arianne 5 was responsible for it's crash.
>> >>
>> >> REALLY! I'm sure this is going to be good --- And the reason the
>database
>> >> kept the crew from restarting NT and get underway was?
>> >
>> >Can't use your brain can you? Once the tech entered the data into the
>> >database, applications all over the ship started crashing as they
>performed
>> >illegal calculations. When the applications were restarted, the first
>thing
>> >they do is read the data out of the database, causing it to crash again.
>> >The only way to fix the problem is to fix the database, and without the
>> >application to enter the data into, it has to be done by hand.
>> >
>>
>> Get your facts straight. There were multiple incidents on the Yorktown
>>
>> http://www.gcn.com/archives/gcn/1998/july13/cov2.htm
>
>Get yours straight. I have multiple sources which contradict this news
>article in many places.
I see no contraction. There were many incidents that occured on the
Yorktown. Your reference is about one of them.
>You have one source,
There are multiple sources, in addition to Redman and Gregorio.
>which doesn't have any
>legitimacy.
>
Really?? People indepandant of the incident have no reason to lie. The
people who made bad engineering decisions need to cover their asses.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 magazine admits Open Source software is more secure.
Date: 3 Nov 2000 06:53:04 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 03:33:10 GMT,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>Particularly the ones where Red Hat was compromised and trojan code was allowed
>to be inserted and was released as final product by Red Hat themselves.
As usual, you are a blatent liar.
>So far, there's no evidence that any code was stolen from MS, let alone the
>critical
>systems code, let alone it was checked into source control (where the final
>product(s) get built from).
>
No one claimed it was. People only claimed it was possible.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: 3 Nov 2000 06:54:23 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 18:40:47 -0800,
Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> > And, again, there's nothing inherent in Unix that _prevents_ an
>> equivalent
>> > to "I LOVE YOU".
>>
>> The inherent design of LUNIX and other OSs _prevents_ an equivalent.
>
>http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/bliss/
>
It never propagated.
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Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:07:39 +0000
From: Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Software companies better than tire companies?? Please. (Was: Tuff..
Perry Pip wrote:
> And as far as ego problems are concerned, Windows advocates take the
> cake. For example: http://ic.net/~drestinb/ "Computer Guru". Oh I'm
> so impressed!!
Ah, our old acquaintance Drestin! Yes, it is a pretty impressive
site. Here is the source of the home page:
<html>
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
<title>Drestin Black</title>
</head>
<body bgcolor="#000000" text="#C0C0C0">
<h1 align="center">Drestin Black<sup>?</sup></h1>
<p align="center">Computer Guru</p>
<p align="center">established 7/31/1963</p>
<p align="center"><font size="1">"Drestin Black" is a
trademark.</font></p>
</body>
</html>
And like the Loony Toons ended their cartoons: "That's All, Folks!"
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM to BUY MICROSOFT!!!!
Date: 3 Nov 2000 07:06:43 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 19:53:41 -0800,
Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:QXpM5.12759$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:WimM5.120952$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> >
>> > The OpenBSD people claim they are usually 6 months ahead of Linux/Unix
>in
>> > fixing exploits.
That's a lie. We already told you that.
>> > Go ahead and sleep through those 6 months of "open" vulnerabilities.
>>
>> Why don't you ask them how many years they are ahead of anything
>> from Microsoft?
>
>[snip]
You never addressed his question.
>Because Linux is an open door by default!
>
Prove your point, crack my box: 208.47.125.33
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: BIFF? Who remembers biff? I have much more...
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 02:01:55 -0500
kool breeze wrote:
>
> Here is some shit from like the very early 90's that I got from
> alt.talk.bizarre. Yes my B-Day is Nov 4, 1965.
>
> <stupid shit with no mention of Nov 4th anywhere>
> HH
That was pretty stupid.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft == Firestone (Was: Tuff Competition for LINUX!
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 02:03:28 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Thu, 2 Nov 2000 03:35:24 +0200,
> > Ayende Rahien <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > >> Where Gates, Allen, and other notables answered each question by either
> > >>
> > >> a) lying
> > >> b) dodging the question
> > >> c) claiming ignorance.
> > >>
> > >
> > >And this surprise you because?
> > >It was obvious to anyone with half a brain that they would do so.
> > >Or did you thought that Gates would come and say: "Of course we used
> illegal
> > >means to become the monopol. Now please breakup my company and ruin my
> > >lifework as well as my money cow."
> > >
> > >
> >
> > So then why do you say we should trust his closed source software,
> > hypocrite.
>
> Because of the simplest of all reasons, selfishness.
Let's see... Not getting the source code...allowing it to be
manipulated, unchecked, be a corporation which has a 20+-year
history of behaving like a blood-sucking vampire...is selfish?
Only if suicide is selfish.
> Think about it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Software companies better than tire companies?? Please. (Was: Tuff..
Date: 3 Nov 2000 07:19:40 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:07:39 +0000,
Jacques Guy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Perry Pip wrote:
>
>> And as far as ego problems are concerned, Windows advocates take the
>> cake. For example: http://ic.net/~drestinb/ "Computer Guru". Oh I'm
>> so impressed!!
>
>Ah, our old acquaintance Drestin! Yes, it is a pretty impressive
>site. Here is the source of the home page:
It looks like he took out the line that said MS Front Page!!
><html>
>
><head>
><meta http-equiv="Content-Language" content="en-us">
><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=windows-1252">
><title>Drestin Black</title>
></head>
>
><body bgcolor="#000000" text="#C0C0C0">
>
><h1 align="center">Drestin Black<sup>?</sup></h1>
><p align="center">Computer Guru</p>
><p align="center">established 7/31/1963</p>
><p align="center"><font size="1">"Drestin Black" is a
>trademark.</font></p>
>
></body>
>
></html>
>
>
>And like the Loony Toons ended their cartoons: "That's All, Folks!"
--
Perry Piplani http://www.netservers.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://perrypip.netservers.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (A transfinite number of monkeys)
Subject: Re: BIFF? Who remembers biff? I have much more...
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 07:50:15 GMT
On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 06:02:42 GMT, kool breeze <kool;[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Here is some shit from like the very early 90's that I got from
: alt.talk.bizarre. Yes my B-Day is Nov 4, 1965.
:
: rom mcnc!rutgers!netnews.upenn.edu!grad1!biff Thu Sep 6 16:42:00 1990
Thank you. It takes me back to the days of old, reading news with rn on
the Sun 3/50's at Trenton State. I think we had a 56k to JVNCnet way
back then. Sure, it's OT, but it's fun to remember the days when those
crazy physicists from Switzerland decided to start sharing their notes
using this new-fangled web-thingy that was kind of like gopher. Those
were the days... Heck, I remember back in '93 when Mosaic first came
out... I still liked gopher better - there was more stuff on gopher
than there was on the web.
--
Jason Costomiris <>< | Technologist, geek, human.
jcostom {at} jasons {dot} org | http://www.jasons.org/
Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
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From: "Tiro Verus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: to all who responded
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 06:39:20 GMT
C. Nolan McKinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thanks, everyone, for the responses. The more I read here and on web pages,
> the more I realise that I need to read more!
Reading is great, but doing is even more satisfying. Find an ISP
that offers shell accounts[1] and for about $15.00 US, you can use
the same or similar editors, etc. immediately. May be habit-forming.
Carpe diem, T.
--
[1] e.g. http://www.nyct.net New York Connect
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Reply-To: "Patrick Raymond Hancox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Patrick Raymond Hancox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What was stolen!
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 00:39:10 -0800
um, Charlie, get a grip and see someone about your dyslexia
>From the first & second paragraphs of the link you provided...
"update Microsoft acknowledged Friday that hackers had accessed source code
to programs in development, but company representatives said the intruders
did not see code for existing products.
The admission quells fears hackers might have stolen the source code, or
blueprint, for some of Microsoft's most valuable programs, including Office,
Windows Me and Windows 2000. "
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1003-200-3310071.html?tag=st.ne.ron.lthd.ni
>
> Now we get the details from CNET as to what Microsoft
> says was stolen!
>
> Just about everything including Whister!
>
>
> --
> Charlie
>
> By 2005 Microsoft will be displaced by
> LINUX - THE POWER OF A GNU GENERATION!
>
>
>
>
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From: "David Brown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Windows resources (was Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever)
Date: Fri, 3 Nov 2000 09:33:08 +0100
Win3.1 and varients such as Win9x run on top of 16-bit DOS. This means they
rely on DOS for some low-level services, including some parts of the memory
management, and this is still 16-bit. Most memory comes from the main pool
(32-bit in Win9x, 16-bit in Win3.1), but certain structures are allocated on
three heaps- the GDI heap for icons, device handles, and other such stuff,
the USER heap for menus, shortcut keys, etc., and the SYSTEM heap for file
handles and various other stuff.
In Win3.1, these heaps were each 64k, and Windows itself took a fair chunk
of them. In Win9x, they are bigger, but still limited (maybe something like
256k). When these get full, problems happen such as icons disappearing when
the GDI heap is full. The free resources reported by Windows is the amount
left in these heaps and has nothing to do with either free main memory or
free conventional memory (did you know even Windmill is still constrainted
by the good ol' DOS 640k barrier? Every application and DLL, even 32-bit
programs, needs a DOS header in Win9x and Win3.1).
Of course, users are not supposed to know that when Windows refuses to start
a program, the problem is due to tiny fixed-size heaps, so everything is
reported as an "Out of memory" error.
Note that NT does not have these problems - it has the same three stacks,
but they grow dynamically as needed (until it runs out of virtual memory, of
course). It also does not need to use DOS conventional memory stubs, since
it does not run on top of DOS.
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From: Mark Lindner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:35:41 GMT
Steve Mentzer wrote:
> This is an application-specific problem. The same situation *could* occurr on
> Linux if the burner application left the CD writer in a specific state...
The problem is, such an "application-specific problem" often hoses the state
of the entire system under Windows...which again leads us back to the argument
that Windows suffers from poor design.
> >I'm using beta video drivers...
>
> That is your first mistake...
Well, since Microslop is constantly spewing out largely worthless "upgrade"
versions of its operating systems, which, quite inconveniently, are not
driver-compatible amongst each other, sometimes a beta driver is all you can
get. So who the hell are you to criticize someone for using one when that may
be all that's available? Poor John Smith invests in a nice scanner, then
upgrades to the latest and greatest Bloatfest and guess what? it doesn't work
anymore...or it sorta works, with pre-release drivers, but if he scans two
documents in a row, the system locks up and he has to reboot.
> If it is a user-level process, all you have to do is ctrl-alt-delete,
> task-manager, select the process in the process list and click "end". Wait a
> few seconds for it to signal an auto-close, and select "end process".
This has rarely worked for me, in any version of Windows from 95 onward. I hit
ctrl-alt-delete, task manager comes up, I select the process and click the
button, the dialog comes up, I say end process, and then I'm back to being
hung again. This happens to me all the time, and not just with programs that
communicate with hardware devices. For instance, it happens with Napster quite
regularly. (Spare me the argument of "well that's a problem with the
application" because that's not the point. No process should EVER get the
system into this kind of state.)
I have *never* had a problem killing a process under UNIX. I find it ludicrous
that I would have to download a separate utility for Windows to do something
that the Task Manager cannot do reliably. That's like buying a car and being
told that you have to order the brakes separately from the manufacturer.
> Since you have no clue about what you are talking about, cursing must
> strengthen your argument substantially...
Maybe he's just sick of rebooting and having his productivity reduced by
shitty software.
> Dos games aren't supposed to run under WinNT or Win2k for that matter. Neither
> OS was advertised to be 100% fully dos compatible. BTW: Linux cannot run all
> your dos games either. Does that make it shitty?
Maybe it can't, but I bet you can't crash Linux with a malfunctioning DOS
game.
> Actually, Windows 2k has been rock solid and stable. Then again, I sort of know
> what I am doing. Lots of design and stability issues were addressed.
"Rock solid and stable"...I don't think those words mean what you think they
mean.
> and still is. All OS's have bugs.
But some OSes have major design flaws all the way down to the core.
> Win2k is light-years ahead of NT.
The fade-out menu feature definitely constitutes a leapfrog technological
achievement.
> My win2k exchange/domain server at home has been running for 4 months
> continuous. It is a PII-300 w/160MB ram running Win2kServer, Exchange2000RC2,
> ActiveDirectory,SQL7, MSMQ, etc etc. It is rock solid, fast and reliable.
Sounds like it's working really hard...you must send a lot of emails to
yourself.
> Unlike you, I run both Win2k AND Linux. I love both OS's. To dismiss Win2k like
> you have only serves to demonstrate your absolute ignorance of a solid and
> reliable product.
The classic "I don't agree with you, so you're stupid" argument.
Cheers,
Mark
==============================================================================
Mark Lindner http://www.dystance.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
==============================================================================
"Life is a comedy for those who think and a tragedy for those who feel."
-Horace Walpole
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Free ISP for Linux! (...and heres the catch)
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:34:36 GMT
NetZero is *definitely* creating a version of its ad bar software, the
ad bar required to use their free ISP, for Linux.
The Catch? Its for an *embedded* Linux running in the new NIC black
box device, with no plans to export the ad bar to other versions of
Linux. $199.99 street price, $398 if you include a 15" monitor.
They won't mention it on their website, but I have seen several
articles on the subject pointing out that NetZero will be doing the
free ISP for the Linux NIC.
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: chi.internet
Subject: Re: Free ISP for Linux?
Date: Fri, 03 Nov 2000 09:30:25 GMT
In article <kJeH5.45$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"NO SPAM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Has anyone got 1NOL to work with Linux?
I've tried to register with them, but every time I get
some weird error on their website, and unlike many other
free ISPs you can't use their software to create an
account totally independent of browser quirks.
> NO SPAM <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
> message
> news:NzeE5.5334$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Do any of the free ISP's work with Linux?
> > How about with "Wine"? (the Windows emulator
> > that comes with some Linux installations).
Tsk tsk. You know that WINE means
"Wine Is Not an Emulator!" :)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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