Linux-Advocacy Digest #15, Volume #33 Thu, 22 Mar 01 18:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: the mismeasure of scale ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: What is user friendly? (Roberto Alsina)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: CLI vs GUI ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: the mismeasure of scale
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:11:40 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy The Danimal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Anonymous wrote:
> :> aaron wrote:
> :> > Anonymous wrote:
> :> > > then there are those who are in business and understand economies of
> :> > > scale. not to mention the cost of paying a headcase unix guru to be snotty
> :> > > and obnoxious whilst smelling up the office and dripping twinkie crumbs on
> :> > > the server and making rtfm sounds with his porcine cakehole.
> :> >
> :> > It takes a minimum of FIVE Windows adminstrators to get the same productivity
> :> > of ONE Unix administrator.
>
> : That's because Unix administrators don't have to cope with the
> : same types of users. The daunting complexity of Unix selects for
> : highly self-sufficient users. This is like comparing the productivity
> : of two physicians, one who treats terminally ill elderlies and
> : the other who treats healthy young people. You'd be naive to think
> : the doctor with the higher patient death rate is inferior. You have
> : to compare them on the same patients.
>
> There may be something to that, but not your next paragraph
> (kept below for reference). Users who chose unix tend not to
> be the sorts of users who need as much help. This has nothing
> to do with what the computers are being used for and everything
> to do with WHO is using them.
Every place I've worked, Windows and Unix users have had ZERO
say over what platform is on their desk.
Nevertheless, even the most clueless Unix user is unable to fuck up the
configuration of his desktop machine because HE DOESN'T HAVE THE SUPERUSER
PASSWORD.
Conversely, even highly skilled Windows users fuck up their systems
all too frequently.
Even once / year is too frequent, as they are unproductive for the
duration of their shot-one's-own-foot outage, and a burden on the
administrators who much come in and fix the fucked up system.
>
> : The low level of real-world compatibility in Unix systems discourages
> : people from connecting them to random hardware devices and relentlessly
> : installing new kinds of application software as is routine with Windows
> : computers. This reduces the number of incompatibility headaches for
> : administrators but it also means Unix computers are not as generally
> : useful. Unix computers are for the most part more specially useful---that
> : is, people tend to use them for smaller numbers of more specialized
> : tasks, rather than as general purpose information appliances.
>
> I use my linux PC as a "general purpose information appliance" all
> the time. I use Windows for playing games occasioanally and that's
> it.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:16:52 -0500
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:50:37 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Chad Everett wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 01:54:01 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >"Public " wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> On Wed, 21 Mar 2001 21:24:18 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Any college worth attending has taught unix for over a DECADE.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >--
> >> >> >Aaron R. Kulkis
> >> >> >Unix Masturbator
> >> >> >ICQ # 3056642
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> bzzzzz! Wrong again General. You've already told us that you haven't been
> >> >> educated since 1988 so I am not sure how exactly you're supposed to know
> >> >> this.
> >> >
> >> >Considering that the Unix family of operating systems is the most advanced,
> >> >flexible, operating system, with an extremely good performance/price ratio
> >> >on nearly any combination of hardware manufactured after 1970...for an
> >> >institution of higher learning to neglect is...educational malpractice.
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >> Most "college's worth attending" don't "teach UNIX". They'll teach
> >> fundamentals like mutual exclusion, process and threads management,
> >> memory managment, file systems, network theory, algorithms,
> >> software engineering, etc., etc. They'll certainly use Unix and
> >> Linux systems, but they won't "teach Unix" per se.
> >
> >
> >Or would you call it an effective teaching strategy to give a programming
> >assignment to be written on a Unix platform, mandating the use of, say,
> >dynamic memory allocation without introducing the malloc() function....
> >
>
> malloc() is part of the standard C library and is independent of UNIX.
>
> If I was giving a programming assignment, mandating the use of
> dynamic memory allocation to a university class, I would have them
> write their own dynamic memory allocator and tell them they were not
> allowed to use malloc.
Thanks for making my point. Without the use of malloc(), the student
has to interact with the raw operating system.
> It would be a good exercise on how to implement
> memory managers. I've had just such assignments. A well designed
> assignment would not mandate that it be written on a particular OS
> platform at all. The assignment might limit you to certain platforms,
> but that's different.
>
> >
> >There might not be classes specifically devoted TO Unix...but any
> >college worth attending is going to have a at minimum, a significant
> >portion of programming assignments on Unix systems.
>
> Yeah....that's what I said.
>
> > If you don't
> >teach the students at least the rudiments of the system which you
> >are telling them to use, then there is something very, very wrong
> >with *you*.
> >
>
> Not true at all. If you're teaching an Object-Oriented design
> class and the assignments involve writing object-oriented programs,
> you don't spend time teaching a particular language. If you're
And they do their programming assignments how...in pencil and paper
in pseudo-code?
> in a CS program, you don't spend time "teaching UNIX"...they're
> expected to learn UNIX on their own time. If you're teaching
> an operating systems class, you don't spend time teaching
> systems administration.
So, you just dump your incoming freshmen onto an account and
say, 'Go program, boy'
IF the students don't get at least introductory material about
the operating system in class, then it is necessary to hold
short (possible non-credit courses) on campus for new users
so that they can gain the knowledge required to do such things
as what is the name of the compiler?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: IBM adapting entire disk storage line to work with Linux
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:18:06 -0500
Steve Mading wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> : "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> : news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> :> Ed Allen wrote:
> :> >
> :> > In article <cCOs6.82336$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> :> > Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> > >
> :> > >It's alright, laugh it up. I know you're really just jealous
> :> > >because you know that I'm right. You know that the only company
> :> > >who really takes Linux seriously (if that's what it really is)
> :> > >is IBM, and IBM has a poor track history with desktop and
> :> > >small-server OSen.
> :> > I suppose that is true if you have a secret definition for
> :> > "seriously" like Erik likes to do.
> :> >
> :> > How many more millions does Intel need to invest to qualify in
> :> > your private definition ?
> :> >
> :> > Lets not forget that AMD is encouraging Linux developers to use their
> :> > coming 64-bit chips. They don't qualify, why ?
> :> >
> :> > SGI does not qualify either. Why not ? They are planning to add
> :> > their NUMA technology and sell Itanium cluster machines.
> :> >
> :> > Then too, all the universities using Linux to put together their
> :> > own Supercomputers are not companies either.
> :> > http://www.vnunet.com/News/1113447
> :> >
> :> > What do you think the graduating students will recommend for use
> :> > at their new jobs ?
> :>
> :>
> :> Yes, a very excellent point!
>
> : It's a very common problem.
>
> : Universities using archaic or esoteric systems to teach their students,
> : and then when the students graduate and get out into the real world
> : where companies have to make money, they realize they know nothing
> : necessary to compete.
>
> : Meanwhile, the intelligent individuals who decided not to waste
> : their time on worthless university "computer science", and instead
> : decided to learn the hot technologies that pay well and are making
> : a fortune and are in high demand, even in today's economy.
>
> Bull. Those types of courses teach information that goes obsolete
> in moments. They teach only how to use specific product X to do
> specific task Y. That's an excellent way to get a job NOW, but a
> terrible way to hold a job 5 years from now.
Which is why Chad is still languishing in the $25,000/year neighborhood.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:19:14 -0500
jim dutton wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 20:47:15 GMT, John Fereira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >>>
> >>>Fine. I think the real point was that real redirection in not built into DOS.
> >>>Applications can try implementing it on their own (i.e. javac), but DOS
> >>>is pretty stupid, hence your need to round up a "whole slew of unix like
> >>>utilities written to run in dos".
> >>
> >>Isn't Linux mostly a whole slew of unix utilities (plus a kernel) that were
> >>written by a bunch of different people and rounded up? I agree DOS is
> >>stupid, but then I don't tend to use "ed" on unix much either.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >We weren't talking about editors...we were talking about commandline shells.
> >UNIX shells have redirection builtin because the underlying OS provides
> >standard streams such as stdin, stdout, stderr. One of the things that
> >makes/made DOS so stupid was it should have been easy to write things like
> >redirection into DOS. When you explore why it never was, you'll learn
> >many things.
>
> It had a lot to do with the hostages in Lebanon at the time.
>
> -Jeem, It's still a little hush hush
And that seal lost in the luggage pickup at the airport.
>
> ========================================================================
> http://www.ejeem.com Autococker2000/Dye SS
> Steatopygias's 'R' Us. doh#0000000005 That ain't no Hottentot.
> Sesquipedalian's 'R' Us. ZX-10. DoD#564. tbtw#6. s.s.m#8. There ain't no more
> One thing kids like is to be tricked. For instance, I was going to take
> my nephew to Disneyland, but instead drove him to an old burned-out
> wharehouse. "Oh no" I said, "Disneyland burned down." He cried and cried
> but I think that deep down he thought it was a pretty good joke. I started
> to drive over to the real Disneyland, but it was getting pretty late. - Handey
> ========================================================================
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:20:01 -0500
Chad Everett wrote:
>
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:51:44 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Chad Everett wrote:
> >>
> >> On Thu, 22 Mar 2001 00:40:00 GMT, Quantum Leaper <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Most Universities still teach Cobol/Mainframe as the center of their CS
> >> >degrees. How useful is that? At least that what my friend told me, when
> >> >he was looking at some Universities. Most programmers I know use C/C++.
> >> >BTW the local college centers around teaching C/C++ as the intro language
> >> >for the CS degrees, instead of Cobol.
> >> >
> >>
> >> This is NOT true at all. Maybe business and management departments
> >> and schools will still teach COBOL, BIG maybe. There is no way that
> >> CS department at the university level is going to teach COBOL. COBOL has
> >> no place in modern software engineering and hence a CS department has no
> >> reason to even discuss COBOL, accept as an aside perhaps.
> >
> >Name one Fortune 500 company that doesn't pay considerable sums of money
> >maintaining COBOL code.
> >
>
> Name one way your question has anything to do with whether or not COBOL
> is taught at universities or whether or not COBOL has a place in
> modern software engineering curiculums. It isn't and it doesn't.
You didn't specify ENGINEERING....
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: Roberto Alsina <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 19:18:58 -0300
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>> malloc() is part of the standard C library and is independent of UNIX.
>>
>> If I was giving a programming assignment, mandating the use of
>> dynamic memory allocation to a university class, I would have them
>> write their own dynamic memory allocator and tell them they were not
>> allowed to use malloc.
>
> Thanks for making my point. Without the use of malloc(), the student
> has to interact with the raw operating system.
Not really. You can just allocate a huge piece if memory in an array and
manipualte it.
After all, that's how we did "pointers" in that PDP thing on Fortran III+.
--
Roberto Alsina
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:21:29 -0500
WesTralia wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > WesTralia wrote:
> > >
> > > WesTralia wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > WesTralia wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Demanding technical roles?
> > > > > > X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Since when did Wintendo98 become demanding?
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Look, Martha, we caught another one.
> > > > >
> > > > > Clue for the clueless: I replace the real ID string with the Windows
> > > > > one, so as to disguise what kind of platform I'm actually using.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > All right show dog, time to dance for the big boys. If indeed you
> > > > have replaced the string in the Netscape news reader so as to cover
> > > > up your OS identity then it makes sense that you can replace the
> > > > string at will.
> > > >
> > > > With me so far?
> > > >
> > > > Now replace the string, again, but this time containing the substring
> > > > "Kulkis". Now post a few messages to the group.
> > > >
> > > > This is about a 10 minute job. You are capable, correct? Maybe too busy?
> > > >
> > > > Fill in excuse here:_________________________________________________
> > > >
> > > > -wt
> > >
> > > Hmmmm... still no Aaron. Why does this not surprise me!
> > >
> >
> > Why should I let you dictate my behavior?
> >
>
> I am not attempting to dictate your behavior. I am allowing you the
> opportunity to prove that you do not sit behind a Win98 box all day
> while bashing M$ OSs and products on USENET. You know, hypocrite.
>
> The proof for you should be rather simple and will allow for you to
> show-off your much self professed computing skills.
>
> I am calling you out! You have never received a paycheck for anything
> related to UNIX. You are a UNIX wannbe regulated to the world of
> Wintendo98 network dork.
>
> Change this string in your news reader:
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;RETAIL} (Win98; U)
>
> To this:
> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD {TLC;KULKIS} (Win98; U)
>
Pick a better string. That would draw attention to my header.
> --
> -wt
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: CLI vs GUI
Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 17:22:22 -0500
Chris Bennetts wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Removing the CLI entirely, so that service personnel can't use
> > one is....short-sighted.
>
> I agree that for limited applications (POS, web terminals at malls, etc),
> CLIs should not be accessible to the standard user. However, a command line
> is much nicer for a lot of things (I do most of my file ops in Bash, rather
> than Explorer, because it is simply *much* faster).
>
> Even things like writing, I just finished a nasty piece of work under
> SO5.2/Win32, and I must say that it didn't take me long to switch off all
> the bloat (Autocorrect in particular), and I didn't even touch the
> formatting toolbar buttons until I had finished writing the text of it,
> using Usenet standard *bolds* and /italics/ where appropriate as
> placeholders. I'm learning vi. ;-)
vi is the essence of productivity.
>
> --
> --Chris
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