Linux-Advocacy Digest #74, Volume #30 Sun, 5 Nov 00 23:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar (Bob Hauck)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools) (Bill Henry)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Chad Myers: Blatent liar (sfcybear)
What I dont like about Linux (JoeX1029)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (Jim Richardson)
Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...) (Jim
Richardson)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar
Reply-To: bobh{at}haucks{dot}org
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 03:43:53 GMT
On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 09:37:51 -0800, Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I've proven that the OpenBSD group thinks Linux is hopelessly riddled with
>exploits and that OpenBSD is at least 6 months ahead of Linux in security.
If you knew anything at all about OpenBSD you would know that they
think that pretty much _all_ software is riddled with exploits.
>I was arguing that so many exploits that allow root access are functionally
>trojans.
Yes, we heard you, and you are wrong. A trojan is a specific thing,
not a generic term.
>> Prove that MS has less.
>
>They do.
Oh, really? I guess that's why NT leads the web site defacement list
at attrition.org.
At <http://www.securityfocus.com/> on the "Microsoft" tab we get this
week's hot ones:
Microsoft Windows 2000 ActiveX
Control Buffer Overflow Vulnerability
Microsoft Indexing Services for
Windows 2000 .htw Cross-Site Scripting
Vulnerability
Microsoft Network Monitor Multiple
Buffer Overflow Vulnerabilities
Microsoft Exchange Server Invalid
MIME Header charset = "'"'""'"'" DoS
Vulnerability
If we drill down to "NT Vulnerabilities" we get a much bigger list.
I count roughly 630 in the last three years as a matter of fact. Many
of these are in third-party apps, but then you're counting everything
that's included in Red Hat so including the equivalent third-party
stuff for NT seems fair. Note the ones with "buffer overflow". Those
are the ones to use to install Back Orifice or get Administrator.
Note that this list only includes a few IIS and Exchange holes, as
there are separate lists for those, each of which also has hundreds of
entries.
But just for fun let's not count third parties and let's not count
claimed vulnerabilities reported by third parties, let's just count the
ones MS has admitted to and has issued patches for. And let's only
count this year, since this post is already long enough. Looks like
there are 85 of those. Here they are, for your enjoyment. You can
look them up via the above URL or at <http://www.microsoft.com/security/>.
So, you see, even MS knows that they have security flaws just like
everybody else.
MS00-085
Patch Available for "ActiveX Parameter Validation" Vulnerability
Published: Nov 02, 2000 - Updated: Nov 02, 2000
MS00-084
Patch Available for "Indexing Services Cross Site Scripting"
Vulnerability
Published: Nov 02, 2000 - Updated: Nov 02, 2000
MS00-083
Patch Available for "Netmon Protocol Parsing" Vulnerability
Published: Nov 01, 2000 - Updated: Nov 01, 2000
MS00-082
Patch Available for "Malformed MIME Header" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 31, 2000 - Updated: Oct 31, 2000
MS00-081
Patch Available for New Variant of "VM File Reading" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 25, 2000 - Updated: Oct 25, 2000
MS00-080
Patch Available for "Session ID Cookie Marking" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 23, 2000 - Updated: Oct 23, 2000
MS00-079
Patch Available for "HyperTerminal Buffer Overflow" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 18, 2000 - Updated: Oct 18, 2000
MS00-078
Patch Available for "Web Server Folder Traversal" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 17, 2000 - Updated: Oct 17, 2000
MS00-077
Patch Available for "NetMeeting Desktop Sharing" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 13, 2000 - Updated: Oct 13, 2000
MS00-076
Patch Available for "Cached Web Credentials" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 12, 2000 - Updated: Oct 12, 2000
MS00-075
Patch Available for "Microsoft VM ActiveX Component" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 12, 2000 - Updated: Oct 12, 2000
MS00-074
Patch Available for "WebTV for Windows Denial of Service"
Published: Oct 11, 2000 - Updated: Oct 11, 2000
MS00-073
Patch Available for "Malformed IPX NMPI Packet" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 11, 2000 - Updated: Oct 11, 2000
MS00-072
Patch Available for "Share Level Password" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 10, 2000 - Updated: Oct 10, 2000
MS00-071
Patch Available for "Word Mail Merge" Vulnerability
Published: Oct 05, 2000 - Updated: Oct 05, 2000
MS00-070
Patch Available for Multiple LPC and LPC Ports Vulnerabilities
Published: Oct 03, 2000 - Updated: Oct 03, 2000
MS00-069
Patch Available for "Simplified Chinese IME State Recognition"
Vulnerability
Published: Sep 29, 2000 - Updated: Sep 29, 2000
MS00-068
Patch Available for "OCX Attachment" Vulnerability
Published: Sep 26, 2000 - Updated: Sep 26, 2000
MS00-067
Re-release: Patch Available for "Windows 2000 Telnet Client NTLM
Authentication" Vulnerability
Published: Sep 14, 2000 - Updated: Sep 21, 2000
MS00-066
Patch Available for "Malformed RPC Packet" Vulnerability
Published: Sep 11, 2000 - Updated: Sep 11, 2000
MS00-065
Patch Available for "Still Image Service Privilege Escalation"
Vulnerability
Published: Sep 06, 2000 - Updated: Sep 07, 2000
MS00-064
Patch Available for "Unicast Service Race Condition" Vulnerability
Published: Sep 06, 2000 - Updated: Sep 06, 2000
MS00-063
Patch Available for "Invalid URL" Vulnerability
Published: Sep 05, 2000 - Updated: Sep 06, 2000
MS00-062
Patch Available for "Local Security Policy Corruption"
Vulnerability
Published: Aug 28, 2000 - Updated: Aug 28, 2000
MS00-061
Patch Available for "Money Password" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 25, 2000 - Updated: Aug 25, 2000
MS00-060
Patch Available for "IIS Cross-Site Scripting" Vulnerabilities
Published: Aug 25, 2000 - Updated: Nov 02, 2000
MS00-059
Patch Available for "Java VM Applet" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 21, 2000 - Updated: Aug 22, 2000
MS00-058
Patch Available for "Specialized Header" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 14, 2000 - Updated: Aug 14, 2000
MS00-057
Patch Available for "File Permission Canonicalization" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 10, 2000 - Updated: Aug 10, 2000
MS00-056
Patch Available for "Microsoft Office HTML Object Tag" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 09, 2000 - Updated: Aug 10, 2000
MS00-055
Patch Available for "Scriptlet Rendering" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 09, 2000 - Updated: Aug 09, 2000
MS00-054
Patch Available for "Malformed IPX Ping Packet" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 03, 2000 - Updated: Aug 03, 2000
MS00-053
Patch Available for "Service Control Manager Named Pipe
Impersonation" Vulnerability
Published: Aug 02, 2000 - Updated: Aug 02, 2000
MS00-052
Patch Available for "Relative Shell Path" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 31, 2000 - Updated: Jul 31, 2000
MS00-051
Patch Available for "Excel REGISTER.ID Function" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 26, 2000 - Updated: Jul 26, 2000
MS00-050
Telnet Server Flooding" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 24, 2000 - Updated: Jul 24, 2000
MS00-049
Patch Available for "The Office HTML Script" Vulnerability and a
Workaround for "The IE Script" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 13, 2000 - Updated: Aug 09, 2000
MS00-048
Patch Available for "Stored Procedure Permissions" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 07, 2000 - Updated: Jul 07, 2000
MS00-047
Patch Available for "NetBIOS Name Server Protocol Spoofing"
Published: Jul 27, 2000 - Updated: Jul 27, 2000
MS00-046
Patch Available for "Cache Bypass" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 20, 2000 - Updated: Jul 20, 2000
MS00-045
Patch Available for "Persistent Mail-Browser Link" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 20, 2000 - Updated: Jul 20, 2000
MS00-044
Patch Available for "Absent Directory Browser Argument"
Vulnerability
Published: Jul 14, 2000 - Updated: Jul 14, 2000
MS00-043
Patch Available for "Malformed E-mail Header" Vulnerability
Published: Jul 18, 2000 - Updated: Jul 20, 2000
MS00-042
Patch Available for Active Setup Download Vulnerability
Published: Jun 29, 2000 - Updated: Jul 02, 2000
MS00-041
Patch Available for "DTS Password" Vulnerability
Published: Jun 13, 2000 - Updated: Jul 11, 2000
MS00-040
Patch Available for "Remote Registry Access Authentication"
Vulnerability
Published: Jun 08, 2000 - Updated: Jun 08, 2000
MS00-039
Patch Available for "SSL Certificate Validation" Vulnerabilities
Published: Jun 05, 2000 - Updated: Jun 06, 2000
MS00-038
Patch Available for "Malformed Windows Media Encoder Request"
Vulnerability
Published: May 30, 2000 - Updated: Jun 20, 2000
MS00-037
Patch Available for "HTML Help File Code Execution" Vulnerability
Published: Jun 02, 2000 - Updated: Jun 02, 2000
MS00-036
Patch Available for "ResetBrowser Frame" and "HostAnnouncement
Flooding" Vulnerabilities
Published: May 25, 2000 - Updated: May 26, 2000
MS00-035
Patch Available for "SQL Server 7.0 Service Pack Password"
Vulnerability
Published: May 30, 2000 - Updated: Jun 15, 2000
MS00-034
Patch Available for "Office 2000 UA Control" Vulnerability
Published: May 12, 2000 - Updated: May 12, 2000
MS00-033
Patch Available for "Frame Domain Verification", "Unauthorized
Cookie Access", and
"Malformed Component Attribute" Vulnerabilities
Published: May 17, 2000 - Updated: May 17, 2000
MS00-032
Patch and Tool Available for "Protected Store Key Length"
Vulnerability
Published: Jun 01, 2000 - Updated: Jul 26, 2000
MS00-031
Patch Available for "Undelimited .HTR Request" and "File
Fragment Reading via .HTR"
Vulnerabilities
Published: May 05, 2000 - Updated: May 05, 2000
MS00-030
Patch Available for "Malformed Extension Data in URL" Vulnerability
Published: May 11, 2000 - Updated: May 12, 2000
MS00-029
Patch Available for "IP Fragment Reassembly" Vulnerability
Published: May 19, 2000 - Updated: May 23, 2000
MS00-028
Procedure Available to Eliminate "Server-Side Image Map
Components" Vulnerability
Published: Apr 21, 2000 - Updated: Apr 21, 2000
MS00-027
Patch Available for "Malformed Environment Variable" Vulnerability
Published: Apr 20, 2000 - Updated: Apr 24, 2000
MS00-026
Patch Available for "Mixed Object Access" Vulnerability
Published: Apr 20, 2000 - Updated: Apr 24, 2000
MS00-025
Procedure Available to Eliminate "Link View Server-Side
Component" Vulnerability
Published: Apr 14, 2000 - Updated: Apr 17, 2000
MS00-024
Tool Available for "OffloadModExpo Registry Permissions"
Vulnerability
Published: Apr 12, 2000 - Updated: Apr 13, 2000
MS00-023
Patch Available for "Myriad Escaped Characters" Vulnerability
Published: Apr 12, 2000 - Updated: Apr 12, 2000
MS00-022
Patch Available for "XLM Text Macro" Vulnerability
Published: Apr 03, 2000 - Updated: Apr 04, 2000
MS00-021
Malformed TCP/IP Print Request Vulnerability
Published: Mar 30, 2000 - Updated: Mar 30, 2000
MS00-020
Patch Available for "Desktop Separation" Vulnerability
Published: Jun 15, 2000 - Updated: Jun 15, 2000
MS00-019
Patch Available for "Virtualized UNC Share" Vulnerability
Published: Mar 30, 2000 - Updated: Mar 30, 2000
MS00-018
Patch Available for "Chunked Encoding Post" Vulnerability
Published: Mar 20, 2000 - Updated: Mar 21, 2000
MS00-017
Patch Available for "DOS Device in Path Name" Vulnerability
Published: Mar 16, 2000 - Updated: Mar 16, 2000
MS00-016
Patch Available for "Malformed Media License Request" Vulnerability
Published: Mar 17, 2000 - Updated: Mar 20, 2000
MS00-015
Patch Available for "Clip Art Buffer Overrun" Vulnerability
Published: Mar 06, 2000 - Updated: Mar 07, 2000
MS00-014
Patch Available for "SQL Query Abuse" Vulnerability
Published: Mar 08, 2000 - Updated: Mar 08, 2000
MS00-013
Patch Available for "Misordered Windows Media Services Handshake"
Vulnerability
Published: Feb 23, 2000 - Updated: Feb 24, 2000
MS00-012
Patch Available for "Remote Agent Permissions" Vulnerability
Published: Feb 22, 2000 - Updated: Feb 22, 2000
MS00-011
Patch Available for "VM File Reading" Vulnerability
Published: Feb 18, 2000 - Updated: Feb 18, 2000
MS00-010
Patch Available for "Site Wizard Input Validation" Vulnerability
Published: Feb 18, 2000 - Updated: Feb 18, 2000
MS00-009
Patch Available for "Image Source Redirect" Vulnerability
Published: Feb 16, 2000 - Updated: Feb 16, 2000
MS00-008
Patch Available for "Registry Permissions" Vulnerability
Published: Mar 09, 2000 - Updated: Mar 09, 2000
MS00-007
Patch Available for "Recycle Bin Creation" Vulnerability
Published: Feb 01, 2000 - Updated: Feb 01, 2000
MS00-006
Patch Available for "Malformed Hit-Highlighting Argument"
Vulnerability
Published: Jan 26, 2000 - Updated: Mar 31, 2000
MS00-005
Patch Available for "Malformed RTF Control Word" Vulnerability
Published: Jan 17, 2000 - Updated: Jan 17, 2000
MS00-004
Patch Available for "RDISK Registry Enumeration File" Vulnerability
Published: Jan 21, 2000 - Updated: Feb 03, 2000
MS00-003
Patch Available for "Spoofed LPC Port Request" Vulnerability
Published: Jan 13, 2000 - Updated: Jan 13, 2000
MS00-002
Patch Available for "Malformed Conversion Data" Vulnerability
Published: Jan 21, 2000 - Updated: Jan 21, 2000
MS00-001
Patch Available for "Malformed IMAP Request" Vulnerability
Published: Jan 04, 2000 - Updated: Jan 04, 2000
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 03:45:58 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u4jta$emu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > > Actually, it does in most cases. A .doc file has a Word icon beside
it,
> an
> > > XLS file has an Excel icon beside the attachment etc.
> >
> > Neat - why don't they draw a picture of a bug when the attachment
> > has a virus?
>
> How could they know?
> Let me ask it again: How could Outlook know, for crying out loud?!
Weren't you suggesting that users were 'stupid' if they didn't know
when in fact anything that could tell them is intentionally hidden
by the mailer. But now you think it is difficult for the computer
which actually has access to the configured programs to know...
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Bill Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Global warming. (was Public v. Private Schools)
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 03:47:35 GMT
Bob Germer wrote:
>
> On 09/19/2000 at 03:00 AM,
> Jason Bowen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > > Jason lad, don't you wonder why not a single person has agreed with
> > > anything you post?
>
> > Egad you're stupid, I've had several people agree, your newserver must
> > be broke. Are you the admin for it, that might explain it.
>
> There is nothing wrong with my newsfeed which I do not administer. I have
> read every message on this subject and not one agrees with you.
>
> --
>
Perhaps no one contributed because they thought that Jason was doing an
OK job. . .or perhaps they saw the subject and just skipped it because
it didn't look very comp.os oriented . . .implying that the only readers
of it were you, Jason and Aaron and perhaps a few really bored
individuals. . . Just a thought.
Well, I got bored and figured I'd read this thread. Since I did a little
investigation on the issue of trigger mechanisms and initiation
processes of ice ages a few years back, I might be able to present some
of Jason's points in laymen's terms.First of all, the big "IF". If the
current melt-off of the ice caps can halt or substantially slow ocean
circulation (a pretty good bet and Jason covered this well), then the
planet's biggest heat pump is effectively turned off. The tropics will
get warmer and the 'temperate' areas will become, well, polar.
Ferinstance, the Gulf Stream acts as a big heater, warming North America
and Northern Europe (Ever been to St. Petersburg? Spitting distance from
the arctic circle but pretty mild weather, all things considered).
Now, if melting the ice cap kicks a jam into the Gulf Stream,(and the
North Pacific Current) things will get really cold, really fast anywhere
north of 40. . .latitude, that is. So we get a really bad winter? Well,
if that's all that can happen, then the ice caps will reform and,
gradually, the great ocean currents will start picking up momentum
again, eventually to return to pumping heat up north.
The problem is more complex than this, though. Jason mentions that the
ocean is like a 'black body', absorbing almost all the solar energy that
hits it. This seems to diminish the significance of heat that the planet
picks up from sunlight that hits dirt, doesn't it? That energy is
actually quite important to the global energy accounting as well,
especially if the huge amounts of heat that the ocean is soaking up is
staying in the latitudes where it is absorbed.
What determines how much heat land can absorb? Silly question? This
amount is an inverse function of the Earth surface's 'albedo' or,
basically, how much light it reflects. Not surprisingly, snow has a very
high albedo, reflecting almost all of the energy that hits it. This is
significant.
Put the two togather - stopping the Earth's heat distribition system
(ocean currents) and reduced energy absorbtion due to a season of
extended snow coverage which is itself due to the lack of tropical
energy being pumped to the temperate zones - and you have a very strong
positive feedback system.
How serious this can be is of course predicated upon how quickly the
ocean currents can be stopped and started. It is assumed that they may
be easy to stop, like sticking a broomstick through the spokes of a
bicycle wheel(fresh water run off from melting ice caps). Starting them
up again, on the other hand, is thought to be something that occures on
a geologic time scale. . .if you're an optimist, then by all means count
on nature being able to spin up billions of tons of water at the snap of
a finger. . .
In any event, assuming that the ocean currents get stopped and don't
start right up again (current accepted model) and that this causes a
winter's snowfall to not melt off in the spring (also pretty reasonable)
then a cycle of snow accumulation could ensue. Realize that air
circulation won't stop. Hot, wet air from the now superheated tropics
will cruise to the colder temperate areas and dump huge amounts of snow
(the atmosphere can rearange its currents much faster than the oceans).
The glaciers will, of course, forget about melting in the glacier off
season and just get down to some serious advancing. That, by itself,
won't ice Canada in a decade. What will really put the freeze on the
Great White North is the continual snowfall. . .or the, as skiers call
it, 'base' that increases from week to week.
Clearly, existing glaciers will take a long time to threaten the Bronx,
even at their highest conceivable speed. What about a thousand meters of
snow piled up on Bear Mountain though? The point being that glaciers
will form where there haven't been glaciers since, well, the last ice
age. The ice cover can advance rapidly not by the simple extension of
existing glaciers but by piling up enough snow to form them where they
would be apropriate.
This is actually a pretty good and solid model of the consequences of
global warming. . .Why Jason should get so worried about it I haven't a
clue though. To me, it sounds great! I love skiing and it won't be an
immediate threat to =>me<=. Living through a geologic event would be a
real kick, particularly when one considers that WE triggered it! Not
being one who worries overly much about what my generation leaves the
next, it would just be a really cool (err. . .cold?) adventure! Bring on
the snow!!
==============================================================================================
> Bob Germer from Mount Holly, NJ - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Proudly running OS/2 Warp 4.0 w/ FixPack 14
> MR/2 Ice 2.20 Registration Number 67
> Finishing in 2nd place makes you first loser
>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 03:52:45 GMT
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u4s2a$i5s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> By your own words, *any* attachments are unsafe, to any OS.
That is not necessarily true.
> The fact is that Outlook lets you save them to the disk by default, NOT
run
> them.
> That you override the default settings in order to force outlook to run
them
> is not outlook's fault.
It is much more dangerous to put them in normal disk files, losing
track of the fact that the source is untrusted. At that point any
accidental double-click is bound to launch them. They are likely
to be forgotten, perhaps backed up and restored later, and what
do you expect the person who finds them to do first?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Chad Myers: Blatent liar
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 03:49:21 GMT
In article <VmpN5.123598$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8u4s0p$1obt$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> >
> > >> > BTW, window problably has as many or MORE exploits that Linux.
> > >>
> > >> I doubt it.
> >
> > > WRONG. Linux has more exploits on average than NT and WAY more
than
> 2000.
> >
> > Actually, and not surprisingly, you are quite incorrect.
> >
> > NT has more known exploits than SuSe.
> >
> > Windows2000 has been out for less than a year, while linux has been
out
> > for many years. Thus, more exploits have been found. Your thinking
is
> > completely wrong.
> >
> > Give it time.
>
> SUSE has more everyday. Here is one from September :
> http://www.suse.com/de/support/security/adv8_draht_pam_smb_txt.txt:
>
> pam_smb is a package for a PAM (Pluggable Authentication Modules)
module
> that allows Linux/Unix user authentication using a Windows NT
server.
> Versions 1.1.5 and before contain a buffer overflow that would
allow
> a remote attacker to gain root access on the target host, provided
that
> the target host has the module installed and configured.
>
> SuSE distributions starting with SuSE-6.2 have the package pam_smb
> installed if a network server installation configuration has been
> selected or if the package has been selected manually.
>
> *** This package is automatically installed if it is a network server.
>
> *** Wow
>
Yeah, but you should here the writer of Samba talk about the security
problems with MS's SMB. What the rest of the world would consider a
serios bug, MS put in as a feature! At one point when MS wanted to start
sending encrypted passwords they put that in the protocol and when you
selected encrypted passwords (thingking you were safer) the encypted
password was indeed sent, but for backword compatability, so was the
plain text file! Yeah, it's a feature!
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (JoeX1029)
Subject: What I dont like about Linux
Date: 06 Nov 2000 04:03:35 GMT
This is a list of what I dislike about Linux, though easily solved and not too
big a deal.
1) Netscape
The Netscape windows is *always* too tall, fixed easily.
Well, there it is. Thats what i dont like.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:22:44 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:44:10 GMT,
Loren Petrich, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Loren Petrich wrote:
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > On Mon, 30 Oct 2000 05:19:04 GMT, Loren Petrich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> > > wrote:
>
>> > > > What makes something "criminal"?
>> > > Do I really need to explain our judicial process to you??
>> > > EXTORTION IS ILLEGAL AND THERFORE CRIMINAL.
>> > In effect, contrary to government regulations.
>> And your point is?
>
> That demonization of "government regulations" is silly.
>
>> Hint fucking hint: wanting government protection of rights (as defined
>> in the constitution) does NOT imply a desire for socialism, which
>> ends up ALWAYS being implemented by a kleptocracy (see: Russia, China,
>> Sweden, UK, Canada, and every other place where having everying provided
>> for you means first having everything stolen from you).
>
> Ah yes. That dirty word, "socialism".
>
> And taxation is specified by law, meaning that, by definition, it is
>not theft.
>
When the law specified slavery, was it not slavery?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: [OT] Bush v. Gore on taxes (was: Re: Would a M$ Voluntary Split ...)
Date: Sun, 5 Nov 2000 20:24:25 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 05 Nov 2000 23:51:58 GMT,
Loren Petrich, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Loren Petrich wrote:
>> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron R. Kulkis
>> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > > Loren Petrich wrote:
>
>> > > > However, your objections to the news media's coverage of politics
>> > > > may be interpreted as fundamentally socialistic.
>> > > So, according to you, if it's not socialist, it's unfair.
>> > Yet another sore loser of capitalism. Whenever some capitalist
>> > decides against him, he wails "No fair! No fair! No fair!".'
>> Exactly how is government confiscation of legitimate earnings, for
>> the purpose of buying votes from the congenitally lazy.... "fair"
>
> It's not confiscation, it's the law.
being the law doesn't stop it being confiscation, remember, the Jews were sent
off to camps, *legally* according to the law of the time and place, as were the
Japanese Americans in 1942. The Gulags in the old USSR were legal, according to
their legal system.
>
> And how many welfare recipients vote, anyway? It's the oldsters who
>vote the most. So why not hate them as lazy bloodsucking parasites?
>
> And you are perfectly free to do what your "girlfriend" has done, to
>move to a more congenial sort of country.
>
>--
>Loren Petrich
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Happiness is a fast Macintosh
>And a fast train
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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