Linux-Advocacy Digest #92, Volume #30 Mon, 6 Nov 00 21:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Matt Kennel)
Re: windows as a server ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: windows as a server ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Bruce Schuck")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Simon Cooke")
Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues (Donovan Rebbechi)
Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues (Jerry L Kreps)
Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar (sfcybear)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Goldhammer)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Kennel)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Tue, 7 Nov 2000 01:01:45 +0000 (UTC)
Reply-To: mbkennel@<REMOVE THE BAD DOMAIN>yahoo.spam-B-gone.com
On Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:57:24 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:
:Php was the first embedded script processor I saw and mod_perl with
:eperl and embperl weren't far behind, but probably neither was
:the first to use the concept. Does anybody know who invented
:the idea of embedding programming directly in html pages?
Commercially, Netscape, back when Javascript was called Livescript or
something like that.
I think there were academic groups in the Mosaic era doing such even earlier.
--
* Matthew B. Kennel/Institute for Nonlinear Science, UCSD
*
* "To chill, or to pop a cap in my dome, whoomp! there it is."
* Hamlet, Fresh Prince of Denmark.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: windows as a server
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:00:07 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > > Just wanted to give you this list.
> > > As so many people seems to think that windows is unfit for the server, I
> > > went out to find how many use it.
> > > According to netcraft, only ~20% of the servers are running IIS, 60% are
> > > running Apache.
> > > I've heard people claiming, time & time again, that windows is unfit to
> be
> > > used as a server.
> > > In Linux beats NT thread, they asked how many companies are running NT
> as a
> > > webserver.
> > > I put some (considerable amount of ) time into research and came up with
> > > this list, should be interesting read.
> > > Enjoy,
> > >
> >
> > What part of "crashes too much" do you not understand?
>
> What part of "Shorten you sig." do you not understand?
What part of "stop reading when see my signature block" do you not understand?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: windows as a server
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:00:53 -0500
Bob Hauck wrote:
>
> On Sun, 5 Nov 2000 13:07:52 -0500, MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >People, I implore you, banish this mutated bag of corruption resembling
> >garbage wrapped in skin to the bit bucket once and for all.
>
> Long since done. If people would quit quoting His Signess he would
> cease to exist.
Rumors of my demise are greatly exagerated.
> --
> -| Bob Hauck
> -| To Whom You Are Speaking
> -| http://www.haucks.org/
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:02:16 -0500
gm wrote:
>
> On Sat, 04 Nov 2000 00:28:01 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Sam Morris wrote:
> >>
> >> > But when the e-mail comes from one's supervisor, the tendancy is
> >> > to trust it.
> >>
> >> And this is the fault of the OS how?
> >
> >The entire Microsoft paradigm is nothing more than a gilded-brick
> >road to hell
>
> What does that have to do with your silly notion that an email from
> one's supervisor having anything to do with an OS liability?
What part of "e-mail virus" do you not understand?
>
> >NTFS is a childish toy.
>
> The permissions work. In what SPECIFIC way do you think it's a "toy" ?
Microsoft. Need I say more?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:08:11 -0800
"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Bruce Schuck wrote:
>
> > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > >
> > > > I would like to correct the impression that the list I am referring
to
> > is a
> > > > bug list. That list is even longer. No, the list I am referrring to
is
> > the
> > > > list of security advisories. That list is very long and growing
> > everyday.
> > >
> > > Ok, I must be missing something. Where is this list of hundreds of
> > security
> > > advisories for Redhat 7.0?
> > >
> > > http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh7-errata-security.html
> > >
> > > lists a total of 10 security advisories.
> >
> > In the 30 days RedHat 7.0 has been released.
>
> Oh, so you admit your were wrong. Just to remind you, here is what you
> said:
>
> > The list for 7.0 is very long, and is growing every day.
I concede. I was bouncing around all the Linux security lists and saw so
many.
But you must admit, 10 in 30 days extrapolates to 120 a year. I admit that
the list for 7.0 might not grow that long because 7.1 will come out in a few
months, and everyone will have to upgrade, and then 7.2 in a couple more
months, and more upgrading ...
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:03:52 -0500
Nik Simpson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Colin R. Day" wrote:
> > >
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > > And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> > > > that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> > > > and no other.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Only one default program, but one can add other actions. For example, if
> > > I right-click a *.tex file, I can apply emacs (the default), tex, or
> latex.
> >
> > Yes...in LINUX you can do that.
> >
> > I was talking about Microshaft LoseDOS...
> >
> I would shut up now if I were you Aaron, you are just showing your
> ignorance. If you right click on a file there is a bold "OPEN" option which
> launches the default application, there is also a non-bold OPEN option that
> lets you select any executable on my machine as the application to use to
> open the file.
And the average, know-nothing luser, who microsoft panders to,
discovers this when, exactly?
>
> --
> Nik Simpson
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 06 Nov 2000 20:04:46 -0500
Sam Morris wrote:
>
> > > > And thus, you touch upon the ENTIRE problem of the windows paradigm...
> > > > that each type of file is ONLY to be used by one specific executable,
> > > > and no other.
> > >
> > > Sorry Aaron, but once again you're wrong.
> > >
> >
> > Really?
> >
> > You click on a file, and ONE particular application automatically
> > starts, based on the file TYPE.
> >
> > You do not have an option of say, associating 3 different apps with
> > a particular file type.
>
> You have two ways to associate apps with files in Windows. The first happens
> when you install an application. For example, WinZip will associate itself
> with (amongst others) .zip files. Now whenever you come across a zip file
DESTROYING any previous association for .zip files.
> you can right click on the file and be given the option to extract the
> archive to the folder it is currently in, extract it to an arbitrary
> location on convert it to an EXE file.
>
> If I then install WinRar, its menu items will also appear in the CM. These
> items are determined by the applications you install (or by yourself if you
> are prepared to do a little exploration).
>
> The other way is to right-click a file and from the CM select the Open With
> submenu. This provides a list of all the programs that you have added to
> this menu. For example, for me the Open With menu contains Notepad, Wordpad,
> IE and Word for a .txt file. You can add new programs to this menu by
> selecting "Choose Program..." You can therefore associate as many apps as
> you like with a particular file type.
>
> --
> Cheers,
>
> Sam
>
> _o/
> >\
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
linux.redhat,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:12:05 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Jeff Jeffries wrote:
> I need to choose either GNOME or KDE. I will be doing computationally
> intensive C++, with very heavy disk I/O. Results will be displayed in 3D
> preferrably with OpenGL.
>
> 1. Are GNOME and KDE C++ and/or object oriented? How will this affect
> developing with C++?
>
> 2. I know GNOME has gtkglarea; does KDE?
>
> 3. What else should a C++ developer know?
>
> Thanks!
KDE GNOME
uses C++ uses C
uses Qt oop widgets (GPL) GTK+, bonobo, corba hacks (going comm)
uses nice Signal&Slots paradigm verbose & awkward callbacks.
has KDevelop, a POWERFUL GUI-RAD emacs, codeforge, ???
Uniform across platform and apps Rethinking their strategy,
again.
A lot of people were against it initially Started as a reaction to KDE's
because Qt wasn't GPL. Now it is. Qt license, now is has become
CDE's replacement child. Fate? Same.
IMHO, KDE will suit your requirements to a tee!
JLK
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From: "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:13:46 -0800
"Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8u7a10$1ii$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <9_fN5.123482$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:9n6N5.36231$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 21:23:36 -0800,
> >>Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >>> Before we waste anymore time with your drivel, name the *nix tools
> >>> that matches the feature list of Access.
> > >
> > >
> > > You must have not been paying attention
> > > when I said MySQL or Postgres.
> >
> > Tell me about the MySQL report writer.
>
>
> The tools for writing effective reports of whatever
> level of simplicity or complexity you desire already
> reside on your typical *nix installation. Perl, awk,
> nroff, etc, etc.
>
> I don't see why MySQL or Postgres has to duplicate functionality
> that already exists on the typical system.
>
>
> > Or forms designer.
>
>
> It seems that the ability to manipulate buttons and
> menus with mouse clicks is of supreme importance in your
> mind when evaluating the functionality of database management
> systems. Why is that?
>
As I surmised. Nothing on *nix comes close to Access in functionality.
And SQL Server runtime (MSDE) ships with Access 2000. And SQL Server owns
the TPC-C benchmarks.
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:12:27 -0800
"Glenn McGregor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:laIN5.639$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Actually ctrl-Z is the SUB character, not EOF.
>
> I believe it was to be used for an indication of an alternate
> character set, ie; substitute.
>
> The closest current EOF character in ASCII is FS, the file separator
> character.
Oops :) I thought that ^Z was EOT or ETX. Need to get that memory checked.
Either way, the PDP machines all used ^Z as their end-of-file marker. CPM
and VMS also used it. If Gates wrote his first Basic on a PDP machine, ^Z
would naturally be an end-of-file marker for BASIC files, as it's inserted
by the PDP EDIT program at the end of a file.
Simon
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 17:14:09 -0800
"Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 04 Nov 2000 21:57:24 GMT, Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> :
> :Php was the first embedded script processor I saw and mod_perl with
> :eperl and embperl weren't far behind, but probably neither was
> :the first to use the concept. Does anybody know who invented
> :the idea of embedding programming directly in html pages?
>
> Commercially, Netscape, back when Javascript was called Livescript or
> something like that.
He worded it badly; he was talking server-side. JScript is client-side.
Simon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: linux.redhat,alt.os.linux,comp.os.linux.misc
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues
Date: 7 Nov 2000 01:24:24 GMT
On Tue, 07 Nov 2000 00:31:04 GMT, Jeff Jeffries wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>(Donovan Rebbechi) wrote:
>Why not just get Codewarrior for Linux, which does all of this?
Does Codewarrior support automake/autoconf based builds ?
Does it have built-in support for GTK/GNOME and/or QT/KDE ?
Glade has support for XML based GNOME GUIs which can be loaded at *run time*.
I don't believe anything else has this.
--
Donovan
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From: Jerry L Kreps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE vs GNOME: specific issues
Date: Mon, 6 Nov 2000 19:35:12 -0600
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
John Obenauer wrote:
> Jeff Jeffries wrote:
>
> > I need to choose either GNOME or KDE. I will be doing computationally
> > intensive C++, with very heavy disk I/O. Results will be displayed in 3D
> > preferrably with OpenGL.
> >
> > 1. Are GNOME and KDE C++ and/or object oriented? How will this affect
> > developing with C++?
> >
> > 2. I know GNOME has gtkglarea; does KDE?
> >
> > 3. What else should a C++ developer know?
> >
> > Thanks!
>
> I read that the Qt libraries on which KDE is based are written in C++,
> while the GTK+ libraries on which GNOME is based are written in C. So KDE
> is probably the more object-oriented desktop.
>
> I'm personally a KDE fan. I have the newly-released KDE 2.0 running (as
> part of Linux Mandrake 7.2, released a few days ago), and it's just
> dreamy.
> Everything can be user-configured, and I like the new applications
> (Konqueror, KOffice, KNode). I haven't tried doing any development with
> it yet, but the KParts components it has are expected to speed up lots of
> development projects.
>
> Johno
>
>From what I've read most are understating the power of KDevelop. Besides
being a world-class GUI-RAD (MDI and SDI dialogs (forms), ncurses apps,
etc. it also contains CVS, debugger, docs generattion, built in links to
Qt docs and C++ docs, manual generation, It runs beautifully under KDE2,
as one would suspect. And, it's not even done yet. I expect the number of
controls in the the Qt widget set to increase, the ability to plug-in third
party wigets and backends to databases, etc....
When KDE first came out I was not appreciative of their Qt license and
leaned toward GNOME. But, GNOME was packaged without all of the necessary
packages and I was always running into missing dependencies, hard to find
libraries and difficult installations, only to be met with constant
crashing. That's why I left WinXX. I tried KDE and got hooked. KDE1 has
been rock-solid for most of a year. KDE 2.0 is stable on my box, but some
of the apps crash on occasions. I'm using KNode for this news group. It
hasn't crashed yet. I use KMail for email, and it hasn't crashed yet.
Konqueror has crashed on me, but not as much as NS 4.75 used to. The
office apps are shakey in places and missing functionality in others, but
the base is there and it won't be long before the '1000 eyeballs' flatten
out all the bugs. KDE2 is beautfully designed and implimented desktop
which could, even it it's present condition, compete with WinXX.
GNOME has declared the StarOffice package as it's 'Office Suite', but first
SO has to be disassembled into its component parts and each part made to
stand alone. The organization that has been established to do that reminds
one of the Mozilla setup, and one can only hope it doesn't take as long to
get the SO parts going as it's taken Mozilla to produce only a browser.
(BTW, Konqueror has rendered Mozilla a lost cause.)
JLK
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 01:37:14 GMT
In article <jAIN5.123741$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > > "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Bruce Schuck wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I would like to correct the impression that the list I am
referring
> to
> > > is a
> > > > > bug list. That list is even longer. No, the list I am
referrring to
> is
> > > the
> > > > > list of security advisories. That list is very long and
growing
> > > everyday.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, I must be missing something. Where is this list of
hundreds of
> > > security
> > > > advisories for Redhat 7.0?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.redhat.com/support/errata/rh7-errata-security.html
> > > >
> > > > lists a total of 10 security advisories.
> > >
> > > In the 30 days RedHat 7.0 has been released.
> >
> > Oh, so you admit your were wrong. Just to remind you, here is what
you
> > said:
> >
> > > The list for 7.0 is very long, and is growing every day.
>
> I concede. I was bouncing around all the Linux security lists and saw
so
> many.
>
> But you must admit, 10 in 30 days extrapolates to 120 a year. I admit
that
> the list for 7.0 might not grow that long because 7.1 will come out in
a few
> months, and everyone will have to upgrade, and then 7.2 in a couple
more
> months, and more upgrading ...
>
Yeah, at least we Linux users can find out what bugs are in our software
but those poor Windows users have no idea what horors MS is hiding from
them because MS does not publish it's bug list!
>
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From: Goldhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Tue, 07 Nov 2000 01:50:21 GMT
In article <1w6N5.3825$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Goldhammer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:Gd6N5.36225$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 4 Nov 2000 20:51:08 -0800,
> >Bruce Schuck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Access is both a great database development tool for small to
> > >medium applications,
> >
> >
> > But I was told by you and Myers that Access has more functionality
> > than anything available under *nix workalikes. If this is so, why
> > do I have to migrate to a more expensive product from MS, to achieve
> > the same functionality that I had to begin with from a free
> > product like Postgres?
> >
> > Do you understand this question, Bruce?
>
> I understand the question, but you're asking it either from a
> stance of complete ignorance, or a stance of complete trollery.
If Access could squeeze oranges and press your shirts in
the morning, you or Schuck will be claiming it has unmatched
database development functionality.
A quick summary of Access "functionality" presented in these
threads so far: it's a great database management system. It's
not a robust database management system. It is a robust
database management system. It's not extendible to bigger projects.
It is extendible to bigger projects. It isn't a database management
system at all. It's not just a database management system, it's more
than just a database management system. It's a front-end. It's not a
front end. It's a learning aid. It isn't a learning aid. Etc, etc.
Access will probably be dropped by MS within the next two years.
There doesn't seem to be a purpose for this product any more.
Just look at the "functionality" overlap with VB. MS is basically
selling the same underlying product with different trappings.
Sooner or later they are going to drop one of them.
> No one ever claimed Unix didn't have databases, we're claiming that
> Unix (and Linux) don't have a good small-business database management,
> form designer, and report designer tool all in one
This is what you claimed:
Chad Myers: "How 'bout a real workgroup database development environment
for making small business or workgroup database applications that an
average user can learn and master in days or weeks. I don't believe
there is ANYTHING on Linux that competes even remotely
with Access and all its functionality."
> so that the
> average joe could use it. I suppose it makes sense because the average
> joe wouldn't be using Unix or Linux because there's no point.
An average Joe with average problems, eh? Like this guy, for
example:
http://x54.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=690222620&CONTEXT=973560457
"Hi,
Could anyone point me to some Windows-based program that would allow me
to interact with an MS Access database via a regular command line
interface? I want to be able to do things like SELECTs, UPDATEs etc.
without having to use the mouse or drag & drop columns. The SQL view in
Access isn't what I'm looking for. What I'd like is more like SQL+ for
Oracle or MySQL's standard interface.
Any ideas?
Thanks"
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