Linux-Advocacy Digest #126, Volume #30 Wed, 8 Nov 00 20:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (.)
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) (Mikey)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Michael Marion)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8) (Dan Vail)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Giuliano Colla)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard
))
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) (Gary Hallock)
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("Simon Cooke")
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: The Sixth Sense (.)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup (.)
Re: Wall St dislikes LNUX? (R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ))
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. (Glitch)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Colin R. Day")
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 12:49:09 +1300
> Not by a long shot. If I wanted the notepad to be the default for every
> unknown file type (except files with no extension, which still can't
> have an association), I'd have simply set it. I would agree it is
> easier to use this technique if this is the result you want to
> accomplish. But it doesn't do anything at all for me, because it
> doesn't make opening a file with something *other* than the default file
> type any easier.
I'm a little confused... if you set up similar keys to the notepad one
for other applications, you get a nice little right-click menu with all
the apps on it, regardless of the extension. In my example Notepad by
itself becomes the default for unregistered types, but it still exists
for registered types. I have both Notepad and Multi-edit in my right-
click menu, with ME as the default rather than notepad.
And my solution DEFINITELY uses notepad (or ME) for files with no
extension.
But perhaps I'm misunderstanding your issue... can you give me an example
of what you mean?
> BTW, the pause, load, and swapswapswap doesn't get any better using the
> association method above than it is using Send To.
In my experience, we have these situations:
1) right click
2) swap
3) show menu
4) click notepad
1) right click
2) swap
3) show menu
4) select send to
5) swap (at this point it re-checks the sendto directory)
6) click notepad
Perhaps step 5 has been improved upon since I originally started doing
this... I can't say because I almost never use sendto these days.
> >As a bonus, it makes this action the default for non-associated files...
> >which means double clicking on ANY unregistered file type will open it in
> >notepad instead of bringing up that damned 'which application' box.
>
> And perhaps that's not at all what I wanted to do? This isn't a bonus,
> BTW: it is the only thing your technique does. Unfortunately, it
> doesn't do what I am describing at all.
Like I said, I may have misunderstood your requirements... I did explain
the behaviours to be sure you understood what my solution does in case it
didn't suit.
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From: Mikey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 08:58:41 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I rest my case a second time.
What case?
--
My Australian Shepherd is smarter than your honor student
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From: Michael Marion <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:56:18 GMT
Ketil Z Malde wrote:
> > Is ReiserFS released yet?
>
> Is Linux released yet? What does "released" mean in this context? It
Don't know which context he's shooting for, but I know I've been using it for
months without any problems. I know that mp3.com uses it a lot too (and
sponsors some of it's devel work).
--
Mike Marion-Unix SysAdmin/Senior Engineer-Qualcomm-http://www.miguelito.org
I have a problem with my 95 machine.
It says "Insert disk 3" but only two will fit. What do I do now?
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From: Dan Vail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8)
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 17:58:44 -0600
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> For a few nights now, I've been running Linux + KDE2. Makes a big change
> from Windows 98 SE with the freezes, hangs and blue screens.
>
> Hey, it's a really nice desktop... finally things are usable, rather than
> the myriad collection of mismatch software, KDE have produced a rather nice
> package.
>
> Now if only my sound card worked (well, I've got a replacement that Linux
> supports, so that's ok), and boot worked, and KWord was a bit faster...
>
> Oh yeah, mustn't forget Kylix!
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
Is Linux Mandrake the best distribution to use for a newbie. I am as new as
they come.... I still have Windows 95 :((
Dan
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:00:05 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
[snip]
>
> Try hebrew (full & complete support throughout Win2K english version) which
> is a language commonly used among roughly 6 millions people in the Middle
> Easy.
> It was on the news a lot lately, you might've seen it.
> Hebrew is a hard language to work with on computers. (totally different
> character set, and a different alignment of writing).
[snip]
http://samhain.cc.huji.ac.il/linux/hebrew.html
Sorry for you, try with another language.
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:51:51 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 00:02:32 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> |Well the great, robust system known as Linux has taken a dump on my
> |friends laptop (a different one than the one I am battling with).
> |
> |So now he is getting a prompt that is as follows:
> |
> |
> |(repair file system) #
You installed Linux on your friends laptop.
A few questions:
How many Linux systems have you configured before?
How many Linux LAPTOP systems have you configured before?
How many weeks/months/years have you been using Linux?
Why didn't you buy a Laptop with Linux Preinstalled?
Why didn't you hire a professional to do the installation?
How many times did you call the Toll-Free help-line number?
> I bet he is getting a lot more information than this.
> If you *really* want help and aren't just trolling,
> post the information from the lines before this.
It's clearly a troll, but it's fun to eat trolls. Yummy Troll :-)
> I don't know about anybody else here, but *my*
> ESP has been acting up lately.
>
> |I have no idea what he did, but I didn't even tell him about the root
> |account so he should have been protected.
The file system has pointers that are cached to memory and not
immediately written to hard drive. If you don't flush them and sync
the system, and you then run out of power, the file-system can get
confused. Windows NT 3.51 and OS/2 had similar problems. NT 4.0
is a little better but can still be currupted in some really
nasty ways.
> |What now Doctor Science?
> |The machine is essentially DOA.
Have him reboot to rescue mode, run fsck -f, as root, and he should
get back to normal.
The best prevention of future instances of this is to use bdflush and
fsync in a cron job every 5-10 minutes. If the machine hangs up, you
wait 10 minutes (doing whatever you need to to keep in on) and then
reboot. You can do the sync more or less frequently.
> |What magic command is he supposed to know, having waded through 100's
> |of pages of How-To's, despite the fact the guy never opened a book on
> |Windows and has been running it since 3.1 without a complete meltdown
> |like this one.
The problem was in the set-up, not the installation.
> |In all my years (20 +) I have never seen such a mess as this Linux
> |operating system.
Let's see, 20 years ago there was CP/M, Atari 800, and the
Commodore 64. Which of this do you consider more functional, more
capable, and easier to interact with than the modern Linux system?
Perhaps you were using EDX, MVS, or VMS. Which of these "green screen"
applications captured your heart.
MS-DOS 1.x which came out about 19 years ago, offered no directories,
no multitasking, no windows, and what few graphical routines were
available were accessed by calling BASIC-in-ROM undocumented entry
points.
Oh, that's right. There was also the Apple II with it's 40 column
screen, and the TRS-80 with it's 60 column screen. There were some
graphics (128x128 mono).
> |The general public is going to run from this abortion,
> | sorry but it's the truth.
That's certainly true if YOU keep installing it. You might want to
attend a Linux install party at a Linux user group near you.
> That's fine by me, as long as they don't try and force me to stop
> using Linux. Let them make their own choices.
Even better, let them make INFORMED choices. Put a Factory Installed
Linux system, custom configured for that hardware, into every store
that sells systems preinstalled with Microsoft Windows.
Heck, maybe Linux will blow it's guts right on the show-room floor
and users will start talking about how bad it is.
Have you noticed that Microsoft isn't encouraging this sort of
competition? When the software is properly pre-installed, Linux
would do damage to Windows. Many users would still choose Windows,
but not as many as currently accept Windows because it's the only
choice on the box.
> --
> Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
> -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
> xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
> a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
>
--
Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:02:13 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Name calling, false accusations and likewise all because your God
> "Linux" proves itself once again not ready for the average user. It's
> incredible the way the damage control army goes on the offensive at
> the slightest hint that Linux may not be ready for average Joe, or Ted
> in this case.
>
You're right - it's not the users fault. It was the fault of the person
who installed Linux and supported the user. You should either installed
reiserfs or made sure that a cron job ran to sync the file system on a
regular basis.
>
> This laptop belonged to a person who is a powerful vote on the local
> school board which at this very moment is considering a proposal to
> revamp all of the computer labs in the district as well as the
> satellite uplink and so forth. This is a significant bond issue and
> one that may add quite a bit to MY already $8000+ per year property
> taxes. He approached a friend of mine concerning Linux as an
> alternative, and I was the person who ultimately loaded it on his
> laptop.
>
> He did not have root access, so I suspect he might have either powered
> off the machine without shutting down, or let the batteries run down.
> I don't know, but he's not fessing up.
You don't need to have root access to properly shut down Linux. You
should have instructed him on the proper way to shut it down. You
should also have instructed him on the extremely simple method of using
fsck in the odd case that something happened. You did none of these
things. So, of course, you blame Linux.
Gary
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:04:16 GMT
On 8 Nov 2000 23:29:45 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
Are you drinking again?
claire
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From: "Simon Cooke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Wed, 8 Nov 2000 16:02:31 -0800
"Matt Kennel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 09:14:24 GMT, Simon Cooke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> :
> :"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> :>
> :> You don't understand Aaron's claims, do you?
> :> It's not just the CTRL-Z, it's that it can interrupt Basic, that it's a
> :> programming language, that it was there before.
> :> All those are clear indicatiors that Gates stole it from PDP.
> :> How could you miss that?
> :
> :Hmmm... so let's see what you just said:
> :
> :It's not just that CTRL-Z is used as an end of file marker, it's that
CTRL-Z
> :is the end of file marker for BASIC, and that BASIC is a programming
> :language, and that CTRL-Z (or BASIC) existed before Gates wrote his
Basic.
> :
> :All of which indicates that he stole it from a PDP?
>
> The point is that ASCII 26 as an end-of-file marker is rather peculiar
> to specifically some PDP-11 (maybe TOPS-10 too?) implementations of
> BASIC, and there have been numerous allegations that they pilfered the
> source code to DEC's interpreter out of a dumpster.
Nope, sorry. ASCII26 as an end of file marker is rather peculiar to VAX,
VMS, CPM, EBCDIC (where, IIRC, it stands for "End of Medium"), and a few
other things.
It's also a legacy thing; some early file systems used it as padding at the
end of their files. CPM particularly.
Simon
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:05:11 GMT
On 8 Nov 2000 23:16:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>
>Idiot, NTFS simply ignores filesystem glitches until they become so severe
Yep, I think your drinking again.
claire
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:06:28 GMT
On 8 Nov 2000 23:26:49 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>Retard, he was obviously in communication with "claire", who (as we all
>quite painfully know) has had access this entire time. If she had one
>functioning braincell in her head, she would have found it in seconds.
Alcohol is a major brain cell killer.
claire
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:03:53 GMT
In article <91fO5.237185$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > This laptop belonged to a person
> > who is a powerful vote on the local
> > school board which at this very moment
> > is considering a proposal to
> > revamp all of the computer labs in
> > the district as well as the
> > satellite uplink and so forth.
Very good! He managed to see some glimpse of Linux,
no matter how badly you botched the install.
> > This is a significant bond issue and
> > one that may add quite a bit to MY
> > already $8000+ per year property
> > taxes.
Yep. Many school boards are looking to add hundreds, even
thousands of computers to their campuses. Furthermore, most
of these schools have Windows 95 machines that will have to
be replaced because they are no longer supported.
> > He approached a friend of mine concerning Linux as an
> > alternative, and I was the person who ultimately
> > loaded it on his laptop.
Claire, I've read you posting history. Putting you in
charge of getting Linux onto a laptop would be like
putting the Grand Dragon of the KKK in charge of security
for a Civil Rights Rally.
You don't like Linux, you never did, and you have
consistently demonstrated that you have never taken the
time to either really learn Linux, or get help from someone
who HAS really learned Linux.
> > ...
> > claire
>
> Yikes! $8K???!!! Where do you live???
New York? New Jersey? SF Bay area?
> The bigger issue is that the cost of
> the OS is negligible compared to the
> cost of the IT staff to keep everything running.
> If they're thinking that
> the low initial cost of Linux
> is going to shave the cost significantly,
> they're going to be in for a surprise.
True. Linux has a very low initial cost (installation),
a big initial training cost (help desk), and then a very
low support cost (remote support available).
If the school is thinking of going "Pure Linux" in 1 year, this
is a bad idea. On the other hand, a "Pure Microsoft" solution
would eliminate the opportunity to learn many of the tools used
in Web Publishing, website management, and the myriad of other
learning opportunities available.
> -- Mike --
--
Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
http://www.open4success.com
Linux - 60 million satisfied users worldwide
and growing at over 9%/month! (recalibrated 10/23/00)
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:22:12 +1300
> > Why anyone would want to contribute to Microsofts domination of the world
> > is beyond me.
>
> Why would someone care who make the application as long as it works, is
> beyond me.
Well, because in our commercialised world the only way I can hope to make
any kind of difference is by voting with my dollars, and encouraging
others to do the same.
I was treated rudely by an employee at a local store... when nothing was
done about it, I informed the owner that I would never again visit his
store, and I would be sure to pass on word of my bad experiences.
A local ISP here treats its employees badly, and cares about it's
customers even less... I will not do business with that company any
more.
MS are not competing fairly. They are a dirty underhanded company, and I
consider it a matter of conscience to not fund them (intentionally) in
any way.
That's (another reason) why I don't like MS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:24:06 GMT
On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:51:51 GMT, R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>You installed Linux on your friends laptop.
Yep.
>A few questions:
> How many Linux systems have you configured before?
Five physically different ones, but about 40 different installs of
various distributions all together. From some old Slackware to Redhat
4.1 up to Mandrake 7.1 and every version of SuSE. Mandrake, Redhat,
TurboLinux, Caldera and Corel in between.
> How many Linux LAPTOP systems have you configured before?
This is my second.
> How many weeks/months/years have you been using Linux?
Actually USING? Not many because Linux is useless for what I need to
do. Tinkering with? I dunno, Linux isn't really good for much else,
but I "have" wasted a lot of free time trying to figure out how to do
simple things, like a firewall for instance.
> Why didn't you buy a Laptop with Linux Preinstalled?
Because he already had one. duhhhh....
> Why didn't you hire a professional to do the installation?
I can boot a CD just like any other idiot. The install wasn't really
the problem.
> How many times did you call the Toll-Free help-line number?
>From a Cheapbytes CD?
>> I bet he is getting a lot more information than this.
Nothing of any use.
>> If you *really* want help and aren't just trolling,
>> post the information from the lines before this.
It's fixed.
>It's clearly a troll, but it's fun to eat trolls. Yummy Troll :-)
You're not doing a very good job of it :(
>The file system has pointers that are cached to memory and not
>immediately written to hard drive. If you don't flush them and sync
>the system, and you then run out of power, the file-system can get
>confused. Windows NT 3.51 and OS/2 had similar problems. NT 4.0
>is a little better but can still be currupted in some really
>nasty ways.
Yea but the guy has evidently been doing this for years with no ill
effects. One week with Linux and it dies.
>Have him reboot to rescue mode, run fsck -f, as root, and he should
>get back to normal.
1. First he has to figure out what drive is screwed up.
2. He has to know how many drives he even has.
3. He has to know that it is /dev/hda* and so forth.
This guy is a user, plain and simple. Under Windows Scan disk would
have started immediately and fixed everyone of his drives. The fsk ran
for 6 hours BTW on a 3 gig drive.
>The best prevention of future instances of this is to use bdflush and
>fsync in a cron job every 5-10 minutes. If the machine hangs up, you
>wait 10 minutes (doing whatever you need to to keep in on) and then
>reboot. You can do the sync more or less frequently.
More geek speak.
He's a user, not a programmer.
>
>The problem was in the set-up, not the installation.
It was a default installation of "Almost Everything" option from SUSE.
Talk to them about their faulty installation.
Or didn't I wave enough incense over the machine when I booted the CD?
Which How-To didn't I read?
>> |In all my years (20 +) I have never seen such a mess as this Linux
>> |operating system.
>
>Let's see, 20 years ago there was CP/M, Atari 800, and the
>Commodore 64. Which of this do you consider more functional, more
>capable, and easier to interact with than the modern Linux system?
Both Atari and Commodore which I've used and still have.
>Perhaps you were using EDX, MVS, or VMS. Which of these "green screen"
>applications captured your heart.
I still use MVS as well as VM. Never used EDX.
>MS-DOS 1.x which came out about 19 years ago, offered no directories,
>no multitasking, no windows, and what few graphical routines were
>available were accessed by calling BASIC-in-ROM undocumented entry
>points.
I know all about it.
And computers weren't in every household either but were instead geek
toys for folks that liked typing in a program like that Flying Balloon
program in the Commodore Programmers Reference Guide.
>Oh, that's right. There was also the Apple II with it's 40 column
>screen, and the TRS-80 with it's 60 column screen. There were some
>graphics (128x128 mono).
TRS-80 I also had. Again geek toys at the time.
>
>> |The general public is going to run from this abortion,
>> | sorry but it's the truth.
>
>That's certainly true if YOU keep installing it. You might want to
>attend a Linux install party at a Linux user group near you.
Select "Almost Everything" from SuSE.
So where did SuSE go wrong?
>Even better, let them make INFORMED choices. Put a Factory Installed
>Linux system, custom configured for that hardware, into every store
>that sells systems preinstalled with Microsoft Windows
You are so full of crap it isn't even funny anymore.
>Heck, maybe Linux will blow it's guts right on the show-room floor
>and users will start talking about how bad it is.
They already are. Linux is the biggest joke at the computer shows "I"
go to. And that's even amongst the geeks that typically go to these
shows.
The general population could care less about Linux.
>Have you noticed that Microsoft isn't encouraging this sort of
>competition? When the software is properly pre-installed, Linux
Tell me Rex, how can someone improperly select "Install Almost
Everything" and screw it up?
Tell me.
I'm listening.
You haven't a clue, as usual.
claire
>> Reverend Paul Colquhoun, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Universal Life Church http://andor.dropbear.id.au/~paulcol
>> -=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-=*=-
>> xenaphobia: The fear of being beaten to a pulp by
>> a leather-clad, New Zealand woman.
>>
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From: . <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 13:27:32 +1300
> > "At online auctioneer eBay Inc., a major Sun customer, the memory problem
> > initially resulted in one to two big-system crashes every month, says
> > Maynard Webb, president of eBay Technologies."
>
> I can get better performance from an out-of-the-box NT.
[ignoring the rest, since I don't use and have never used solaris]
I don't think anyone can get better performance from out of the box NT.
Out of the box NT is almost completely useless unless you customize it
and tune it, as it should be with ANY server software. Serving is a
tailored activity for each case... to suggest a server OS can be
installed fresh off the CD and be running usefully for months is just
bizarre.
Oh, and months and months of endless service from NT SP1? Bwahahahaa =)
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From: R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Wall St dislikes LNUX?
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 00:24:19 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> What's up with the VA Linux stock price drop?
> Is it the numbers in the latest annual report or what?
Correct. The analysts had seen VA Linux grow very quickly, and
last quarter's revenues were over 500% over previous year's
same-quarter. Furthermore, VA Linux had unusually high
quarter-to-quarter growth in the previous quarter.
Many analysts revised their estimates upword based on this
windfall. They assumed that VA Linux would sustain this
growth rate through this quarter.
When the results came in, the revenue was only up 10% this
quarter over last quarter (most companies would kill for that),
but this was below what analysts were expecting.
This may have triggered pull-out by certain aggressive growth funds,
which triggered the slide.
Unless and until VA Linux gives cause to revise future revenue and
earnings estimates to the positive, the stock will probably sit.
It's not a bad time for bargain hunting, but there is still the
potential for volitility. It's a roller-coaster ride.
For the record, I do hold a small amount of stock in VA Linux.
> --
> Bruce R. Lewis
http://brl.sourceforge.net/
>
>
--
All opinions are personal and reflect no corporate interests.
Rex Ballard - VP I/T Architecture
Linux Advocate, Internet Pioneer
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:47:26 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Mon, 6 Nov 2000 09:51:07 -0500, "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >This is rich..
> >
> >> > Let's avoid getting into a pissing war about applications. Lets talk
> >> > about real serious (technical) limitations or problems with Linux.
> >
> >We really can't address the main problems if we're not going to include
> >applications, now, can we Sir?
>
> That's going to be a very short discussion :)
>
> The Linux supporters like to talk operating systems. The rest of the
> earth like to use applications.
>
that's true. So why doesn't Windows come with a bunch of games, office
suites, text editors, administration tools (except maybe NT Server in
this case)??? Linux distros have all these in one simple package, for a
lower price than Windows 98 costs by itself.
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:46:47 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > > I was talking about Microshaft LoseDOS...
> >
> > And so was I. Got to View -> Options -> File Types and then click
> > on the file type (if already there) to edit or add a new file type. Add the
> > action.
>
> I thought Microshit LoseDOS was supposed to be intuitive.
>
And how would you do this?
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Colin Day
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