Linux-Advocacy Digest #128, Volume #30 Wed, 8 Nov 00 21:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. (Glitch)
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup ("Chad Myers")
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) (.)
Re: Disapointed in the election ("Javaduke")
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Chad Myers")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? (.)
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? (.)
Re: more stuff I wish linux did (Glitch)
Re: Disapointed in the election ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Goldhammer)
Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8) (Osugi)
Re: The LAMP solution... ("Javaduke")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar ("Javaduke")
Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Javaduke")
Re: Disapointed in the election ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:23:31 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Raul Sainz wrote:
>
> > What can Windows or Win2K do that Linux can not?
> > What can Linux do that Windows or Win2K can't?
> > Why isn't Linux suitable for the desktop?
>
> To answer those questions we must talk about applications
> since Windows 2000 does not even try to include as much
> pieces of software and tools as a GNU/Linux distribution does.
>
> I find that ipchains + ipmasqadm is a real mess and are
> really a Hell to setup for a let's say 4 or 5 network cards
> firewall with several NAT's, port forwardings, packet
> filtering and the so ... I'd like 2.4 to be here now, or at least
> I'd like to see a netfilter inside 2.2.x series.
>
> On the other side I'd like GNU/Linux to have a common
> sound and graphics (2D/3D) accepted API and games
> developers using it.
>
> I think Linux is more than less suitable for the desktop and
> if you've tested KDE2 then you must agree, anyway, some
> things just need to grow mature ...
I'm still waiting on Windows to grow enough so that Idon't have to
reboot everyday b/c my resources drop to 0% or Windows will actually
allow all my hardware to work at once w/o trouble (at this point in time
Windows98 won't recognize my dvd anymore even though it used to-95 did
no problem, and my sound is muted everytime i reboot and i have to
unmute it-even though it was never like that when i first installed. Go
figure.
Oh, and when Internet Explorer stops responding and by the time
everything is back to 'normal' I lost my system tray icons b/c
explorer.exe for some reason couldn't take the heat when IE went down.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:19:50 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Well the great, robust system known as Linux has taken a dump on my
> friends laptop (a different one than the one I am battling with).
>
> So now he is getting a prompt that is as follows:
>
> (repair file system) #
>
> I have no idea what he did, but I didn't even tell him about the root
> account so he should have been protected.
Could his hard disk be nadgered at a physical level? If so, I think you
may just find that most OS's would have a hard time. And why the F***
did you not tell him about root? How is he supposed to fix
stuff????????
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:05:13 GMT
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8mjO5.124837$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/487061.asp?0nm=N13G
> > >
> > > "At online auctioneer eBay Inc., a major Sun customer, the memory problem
> > > initially resulted in one to two big-system crashes every month, says
> > > Maynard Webb, president of eBay Technologies."
> >
> > I can get better performance from an out-of-the-box NT.
> >
> > > "with Sun's fixes in place eBay can now go "months" without seeing a
> > > problem. "
> > >
> > > Months?
> >
> > So much for "my machine is up for three decades and I only has to reboot for
> > kernel updates."
> >
> > > "Sun's current servers lack sophisticated error-correction software that
> > can
> > > often catch such errors on the fly, and as a result can crash when they
> > > occur. "
> >
> > Sound familiar?
> >
> > > "Sun initially required customers who reported the problem to sign a
> > > nondisclosure agreement..."
> >
> > Sound familiar?
> >
> > > "Paul McGuckin, an analyst with Gartner Group who deals regularly with
> > major
> > > corporate customers, said that roughly 60 major Gartner clients have
> > > reported problems with as many as several hundred Sun servers."
> >
> > Even linuxens admists that even MS fixes a problem if a lot of people
> > complains about it.
> >
> > > A question for sleepy "Unix Engineer" Aaron. Did you or your company sign
> > a
> > > nondisclosure agreement to hide the fact that Sun boxes spontaneously
> > crash?
> >
> > Of course not, you plug a unix box to the power, and it automatically reads
> > your mind, configure itself according to your wishes, and make you coffee,
> > all in the time ME boots.
>
> Give a look here, just for fun
>
>
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=uptime&site=www.microsoft.com&find_site
=GO
>
>
http://uptime.netcraft.com/graph?display=uptime&site=www.bbc.co.uk&find_site=GO
>
> http://uptime.netcraft.com/today/top.avg.html
>
> Drawing conclusions is left as an exercise to readers.
> An optional exercise is to compare knowledge of British Broadcasting
> Corporation employees of Sun Solaris, with Microsoft's employees
> knowledge of Windows system.
I find these Microsoft.com numbers hard to read. I can't remember a time in
the last couple years where I've ever gone to that web site and it's been down.
And I would go to it quite often when I was in the consulting business
downloading
patches and whatnot. And that was even when it was NT 4.0!
Besides, they measure in "time since last reboot". Since MS has quite a few
servers
in round robin, I find it hard to believe they have ANY downtime at ALL. Maybe
a server tanks here or there for whatever reason, but there are still any army
to back it up.
How can this be explained?
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Date: 9 Nov 2000 01:22:41 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 19:02:13 -0500, Gary Hallock
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>You're right - it's not the users fault. It was the fault of the person
>>who installed Linux and supported the user. You should either installed
>>reiserfs or made sure that a cron job ran to sync the file system on a
>>regular basis.
> Oh, so now I have to be a programmer type to install and run Linux?
> So much for the home market.
> So why doesn't SuSE do that? And how the hell am I supposed to know
> that? More "How-To's" ? I have to assume that the folks at SuSE know
> more about their operating system than I do. Why should I have to out
> think them? Maybe you should talk to them about their inferior install
> process
Thats right, Gary, you shouldnt have to read any instructions at all
to make an operating system work.
Silly.
=====.
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From: "Javaduke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disapointed in the election
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:25:09 +1300
What I donot understand is all the wankers who stand out side listening to
al gore and bush crap on and on, then, chear and woohoo about it. Go to
anyother country and most voters would simply vote, and thats it! Fuck, look
at Russia, no big parades and crap, people just simply voted! end of story.
javaduke
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I voted for Nader.
>
> Unfortunately the idiots in my home state voted Hillary "The Witch"
> Clinton in as US Senator.
>
> Sad :(
>
> claire
>
> BTW The spell checker for Agent suggests "Hitler" for Hillary...Pretty
> funny...
>
>
> On Wed, 08 Nov 2000 03:16:12 -0500, Clamchu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> >Basically, both candidates are a f*cking joke. A while back, I was
> >contacted by an international recruiter about a job in the UK. The
> >first chance I get, I am OUTTA HERE! (US)
> >
> >Clamchu
> >
> >
> >-----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =-----
> >http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World!
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>
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:12:35 GMT
"Andrew Suprun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8MmO5.20966$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ayende Rahien) wrote in
> <8ubtp8$9cd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> >> Microsoft: "MSDE doesn't limit the number of users who can connect to
> >> its database, but it is optimized for five users. For a larger numbers
> >> of users, you should use SQL Server 7.0."
> >
> >Not so.
> >It's installed optimized for 5 users, there is nothing to prevent you
> >from re-optimzing it to much larger numbers of users.
>
> MS Access is open sourced already?
Contrary to popular Linux belief, not everyone is a C programmer.
I'm sure it also comes to your suprise that there are actually quality
applications out there that don't require re-coding and recompiling just
to make it run better or to customize it. It also doesn't require the
editing of lengthy text files designed by sophmoric developers.
It's all right there, it's easy, it's quick and it's reliable, something
I'm sure you Linux folks have no clue about.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: 9 Nov 2000 01:27:48 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8ucntj$3bu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Besides, how many people actually run Linux on something other than x86?
>> > Not very many. PPC or Alpha also-rans might be a distant second.
>>
>> Tons actually, but you wouldnt know, because you have exactly zero experience
>> with UNIX in general, let along linux.
> Sure, whatever. Please cite numbers.
Ah, so you dont have to cite numbers, but I do?
Nice argument style youve got there.
>> Oh really? It can run on Strong Arm?
> Sure if someone took the time to write the HAL for it.
The same can be said for ANY operating system, including MacOS.
"Well SURE it can run on your funky architecture if we throw money and
developers at it long enough"
>> MIPS?
> Of course. NT 3.1 - NT 4 SP2 or so was released on MIPS, and NT still
> could support it, even though there's no longer support for it.
Ah, it COULD support it...
But it doesnt.
>> PPC?
> Sure.
Where?
>> NT can run on alpha and x86 and thats it.
> No, that's all that recent NT has been released and officially supported
> for, but the NT kernel has the capability to run on all these platforms.
Moron, ANY kernel can be ported to ANY architecture. Your argument is
entirely moot and useless.
>> It cant support true realtime applications
> BS. You have nothing to back this claim up. Besides, are you claiming Linux
> can? ROFL...
Actually, it absolutely, one hundred percent CANNOT support true realtime
applications. Such has been gone over and over again by those who would know
(including MS engineers) in the appropriate newsgroups.
>> (though microsoft will tell you it can, theres a 0.10/sec lag throughout,
>> because the OS itself isnt realtime),
> And Linux is? Please provide documentation of both claims (NT isn't, Linux is)
Linux cannot support true-realtime applications either. But RTlinux can.
Though QNX does it better.
>> it cannot run on the vast majority of hardware types
> I can, it just doesn't because of lack of support. You are severly in
> denial.
Anything can run on anything, chad. Your argument is stupid.
>> and its pretty much entirely useless.
> Then that would make Linux not worth the electricity it takes to
> hold the bits in RAM that drives it.
> You make idle conjectures with no substantiation, not even the slightest
> attempt at it. You seem to have no the basic understanding of NT, yet
> you claim, repeatedly that Linux is better, which is obviously false.
> Therefore... *PL0NK*
This is the fifth time youve killfiled me chad, whats the matter? Having
a hard time figuring something out?
=====.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: 9 Nov 2000 01:28:22 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8uco2l$3bu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > "Roberto Teixeira" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >>>>> "Chad" == Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> >> Chad> NT _can_ run on almost any architecture, it just hasn't
>> >> Chad> because of little demand.
>> >> >> Yes, right...
>> >>
>> >> Chad> Do you question this?
>> >>
>> >> Yes. Show me your NT running in a Solaris, please.
>>
>> > I said "can", not does.
>>
>> > The NT architecture _can_ run on almost any arch.
>>
>> > In fact, MS had NT running on sparc internally at one point, but
>> > never released it due to lack of demand.
>>
>> Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. Lies, lies, lies.
>>
>> As usual, chad has the monopoly on both.
> Um... sure, whatever. Do you deny that NT is platform independent?
Yes.
=====.
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Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 20:33:14 -0500
From: Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: more stuff I wish linux did
>
> > This also pisses me off about windows software - I have installed Mandrake
> > 7.1 on our CD burning machine at work and now instead of having to spend a
> > fun half an hour manually creating the CD writing project then fifteen
> > minutes making an image file before burning a CD each week for our weekly
> > backups I can single-click an icon on the desktop which runs a script (using
> > find and cat commands) to make a CD burning project containing all
> > directories created within the past 2 weeks (to allow a safety overlap
> > between disks) and starts KISOCD. I then open the project file and burn the
> > CD while reading source data directly off the server (this is to a 2xspeed
> > writer). This saves half an hour of user time plus 15 minutes machine time
> > every week - try telling me Windblows is more efficient.
>
> It isnt, but CDRWin is probably what you're looking for in a CD burning
> application.
>
> -----.
unfortunately version 3.7E of CDRWin for some reason won't recognize my
SCSI Plextor CDRW as a recorder. It finds it and I can use it as a
reader but how useful is that? Nero 5.0.0.9 or something like that
recognizes my CDRW drive just fine and it is what I use when I burn CDs
since CDRWin is too stupid. Adaptec EZCD Creator 4.0 didn't recognize
my drive either. I downloaded the path to 4.01 and supposedl this one
would support my drive. I install the patch, *reboot* of course and
after Windows starts up again what do i see on my screen? I see a
Javascript runtime error and IE ISN'T EVEN OPEN. I just got into Windows
and somehow I have a Java runtime error. Hmm...I wonder if this has to
do with MS wanting to make an Internet browser more like an OS for some
reason? Well anyway, I started up Adaptec and it wouldn't load. Seems
that the 4.1 patch not only broke CD Creator but also my Java so to fix
Java I had to spend an hour downloading IE 5.5, which by the way can
only be downloaded if u are using WIndows since u have to download a
Windows binary whihc will download the files for you. If u want to use
Linux to download it so u can use IE on another computer u are shit out
of luck b/c obviously the automatic downloader is only in Windows binary
format and it won't run on anything else.
So the moral is do not trust anything to work in Windows, properly.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disapointed in the election
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:29:38 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> I voted for Nader.
>
> Unfortunately the idiots in my home state voted Hillary "The Witch"
> Clinton in as US Senator.
>
> Sad :(
>
> claire
>
I'm fromthe UK, so I obviously could not vote in your elections. While
I can see why you voted for Nader, don't you see that you have only
acted to help the simpleton Bush?
--
http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
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From: Goldhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:17:18 GMT
In article <6k7N5.13146$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:O76N5.123431$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> >
> > Before we waste anymore time with your drivel,
> > name the *nix tools that
> > matches the feature list of Access.
>
> None of them match the non-portability, vendor lock
> design goal of Access if that is what you mean.
For a really interesting study of the whole vendor-lock
proprietary mdb-format issue, check out the thread
in comp.databases.ms-access beginning with this:
http://www.deja.com/=dnc/getdoc.xp?AN=685029497
It starts off innocently enough with:
(Brinster:) "I have a .mdb file of subscribers from which
I would like to extract all email addresses. I do not have
Access...can I view the file or extract the info with some
other program or utility?"
To which numerous over-the-top, highly entertaining followups
from Access users are posted, accusing Brinster of being a
criminal, etc.
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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Before you buy.
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From: Osugi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux + KDE2 = 8)
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:21:32 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Dan Vail <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is Linux Mandrake the best distribution to use for a newbie. I am as
new as
> they come.... I still have Windows 95 :((
>
> Dan
>
I assume you are asking a question here. Mandrake is a very good
distro. Great for a newbie who doesn't plan on becoming a linux guru.
If you want to learn all about the inner workings of linux, or want the
power and flexibility that comes from hand-configuring all your
important apps, you might prefer a different distro.
I haven't tried caldera or corel recently, but have heard that they are
also quite newbie-friendly.
--
Osugi Sakae
I will not be filed, numbered, briefed or debriefed.
I am not a number, I am a free man. -The Prisoner
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: "Javaduke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The LAMP solution...
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:41:43 +1300
I have a bedside *lamp*, I find it very good when reading books and
completing assignments (for University), my bed side *lamp* is really cheap
and trouble free so it must be running Linux (SuSE 7.0). No security
problems as I am the only one who uses it. As for being a server, I use a
cake mixer loaded with Solaris.
javaduke
"Michael Vester" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> > Hey y'all...
> <snip>
> >
> > 1. Is anyone using a LAMP solution right now? How are you finding it?
> >
> I am using the LAMP solution for two projects, actually one is
> running on FreeBSD and one on Suse Linux. It is very straight
> forward and easy to program.
>
> > 2. Is anyone using a variation on the LAMP solution (ie: PostgreSQL
> > instead of MySQL, Javascript/CGI instead of PHP, etc.)? How are you
> > finding that?
> >
> The FreeBSD system works just like the Linux one. I use a
> little Javascript but most coding is done on the server side
> using PHP and C. MySQL was chosen because most of the time the
> database will only be read. MySQL is very fast in read only
> mode.
>
> > 3. At what point in terms of scope should I consider the LAMP solution
> > to be inneffective? (Answers in terms of server requests per minute,
> > security considerations, upper limit of database size etc. would be
> > great.) What would the solution be at this point? Oracle? SQL Server?
> >
> The FreeBSD system is handling 6 million rows with no problem.
> The system has not gone into production but we anticipate 100
> server requests per second running on a single Pentium III
> with 512 megabytes.
> I have seen MySQL databases with over 500 million rows running
> on a FreeBSD system which does not have any 2 gigabyte file
> size limitation.
>
> > 4. What is the costing comparison between the LAMP solution (or a
> > variation) versus a proprietary solution? Information involving the
> > total cost of ownership in both and software costs (if applicable to
> > LAMP) in both would be great.
> >
> The costs have been low. PHP is a very simple language but
> extremely well suited for web applications. MySQL is just
> plain, simple SQL. Features like transaction processing and
> enforced referential integrity are not missed. For the price
> of proprietary software solution, you can have the software
> and the development done too.
>
> > 5. Which Linux distribution would be best for the LAMP solution? Red
> > Hat? Slackware?
> >
> The FreeBSD system was built from source code. The Linux Suse
> system rolled right out of the installation ready to run. If
> you want to dig into a LAMP solution quickly, I highly
> recommend Suse.
>
> > 6. Which languages would be best for implementing the LAMP solution
> > (performance being the primary issue)?
> >
> If you need to go beyond what PHP can do for you, C is the
> best choice. MySQL comes with an administrator client written
> in C and of course, you get the source code for that.
>
> > 7. Can anyone estimate the basic hardware requirements for a small
> > company employing the LAMP solution? How about for a proprietary
> > solution? Since there's probably no perfect answer for this, could you
> > mention an instance of a LAMP or proprietary solution that is working
> > or not working, based on its current hardware situation, and give the
> > hardware specs?
> >
> The LAMP solution required very modest hardware requirements.
> Especially if you set up the server in CLI mode only. With a
> modest Pentium II, 300 Mhz, 256 megabyte server, I was able to
> import 6 million rows of data in 33 seconds. The bottom line
> is that if you find yourself needing more horsepower, you can
> migrate the whole system to a more powerful, non Intel
> platform with little or no source code changes. With our
> particular situation, if one server proves to be inadequate,
> another will be added. The database will be split so that the
> heavily used tables will have a dedicated server. A little
> planning up front will make this very easy to implement.
>
> Michael Vester
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> A credible Linux advocate
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:47:07 GMT
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:00:27 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Yep, I tried everything in the book. I can't even remember half of them
>because the losers in the newsgroups that were "helping" me had me typed
>dozens of them, none which seemed to fix the fact that Linux is a piece
>of shit.
>
>-Chad
Sounds like my Token Ring card nightmare. Everybody has a different
trick to try but none of them work.
claire
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From: "Javaduke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:47:06 +1300
Chad, did you ever read about what was in IIS ASP (Active Server Pages)
source code about Netscape programmers, "Netscape are weeners", there were
also several other remarks made, however, I seem to have lost the link. If
Microsoft spend more time ensuring code was clean instead of loading it with
easter eggs and comments about other companies maybe their product will
increase in quality.
javaduke
"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 13:51:22 GMT,
> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >"Perry Pip" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> On Fri, 03 Nov 2000 03:33:10 GMT,
> >> Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >Particularly the ones where Red Hat was compromised and trojan code
was
> >allowed
> >> >to be inserted and was released as final product by Red Hat
themselves.
> >>
> >> As usual, you are a blatent liar.
> >
> >What? Ah... denying the truth again I see, Perry. Perhaps you should
consult
> >a psychologist as this is, in fact, truth. About 3 months ago or so Red
Hat was
> >under fire (in fact there was a mention on Slashdot about it).
>
> Lies. There's no mention on slashdot. Provide a URL.
>
> >Search the news archives, you'll find it.
>
> Nothing. No such news. You're a blatent liar and FUDster.
> Nearly all you post on Usenet is nothing but lies.
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linvocates, true to form as usual (was dead laptop)
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:49:02 GMT
On 9 Nov 2000 01:22:41 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
>Thats right, Gary, you shouldnt have to read any instructions at all
>to make an operating system work.
>
>Silly.
How about telling Gary your theories on why VM is "sort of" and
operating system.
While your at it, tell him all about RAS and chrp as well.
claire
>
>
>
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From: "Javaduke" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2000 14:49:33 +1300
I'll rephase this message:
Windows users are all around me. They're are so misguided that they are
missing out on the Linux revolution, it is so sad, but one day this may
change.
javaduke
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> I see Windows users all around me. They're stupid, and they don't even
know it.
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
>
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Disapointed in the election
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:50:58 GMT
I vote for the candidate I believe in, Nader. In four years Nader is
going to be a major player, especially after Bush or Gore screws this
entire country into the ground.
claire
On Thu, 09 Nov 2000 01:29:38 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>> I voted for Nader.
>>
>> Unfortunately the idiots in my home state voted Hillary "The Witch"
>> Clinton in as US Senator.
>>
>> Sad :(
>>
>> claire
>>
>I'm fromthe UK, so I obviously could not vote in your elections. While
>I can see why you voted for Nader, don't you see that you have only
>acted to help the simpleton Bush?
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