Linux-Advocacy Digest #156, Volume #30 Fri, 10 Nov 00 06:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week....... ("Tom Wilson")
Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays. ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Disapointed in the election ("Tom Wilson")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Tom Wilson")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: RedHat BugList Summary ("Tom Wilson")
Re: wtb: Old Digital DEC PDP-8 computer or software (mlw)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (Goldhammer)
Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!) ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Can you love a platform without being a bigot? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft? ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux vs Microsoft Misconceptions: (Nick Condon)
Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar (Stuart Fox)
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:13 GMT
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ueq1s$s3r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Greg Reynolds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> They simply have to use their brains. If they dont have one, they
> >> should most certianly avoid linux as well as any other activity which
> >> could possibly lead to activation of grey matter.
>
> > You're falling into the classic techie trap of assuming that anyone who
> > doesn't get on with computers is a total idiot.
>
> No. But youre close.
>
> Anyone who TRIES to get on with computers and doesnt is a total idiot.
They
> simply arent that difficult.
Now, that statement is both harsh and inaccurate.
A good number of people don't "get on" with computers because of facing that
sort of attitude when asking for assistance.
>
> Anyone who DOESNT try to get on with computers, yet whines about them
being
> too hard anyway is simply a lazy bastard.
>
See above...
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:11 GMT
> > I disagree, no other OS, except maybe the Mac, which was very costly in
the
> > time span we are talking about, came even close to Windows GUI in
comfort
> > and ease of use.
>
> OS/2 anyone? Unfortunately, the extra cost was a deterrent. Not to
> mention IBM's 'brilliant' marketing.
Another would be atrocious multitasking.
* My experiences were with OS/2 2.0 (IBM evaluation copy).
Warp may have been better, but, after the v2.0 experience,
I declined.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:16 GMT
"Russ Lyttle" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Russ Lyttle wrote:
> > >
> > > "." wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Why anyone would want anything other than Win2k pro on their
desktop or
> > > > > laptop is beyond me ...
> > > >
> > > > Why anyone would want to contribute to Microsofts domination of the
world
> > > > is beyond me.
> > > >
> > > Well. people eat at McDonald's
> >
> > Is McDonald's the only restaurant?
> >
> > A) yes
> > B) NO
> >
> > Is McDonald's the only fast-food restaurant?
> >
> > A) yes
> > B) NO
> >
> > Is McDonald's the only fast-food hamburger restaurant?
> >
> > A) yes
> > B) NO
> >
> > > and buy lotto tickets don't they?
> >
> > And your point is?
> >
> You are correct. YOu have the option of blowing money on Taco Bell, and
> Starbucks coffee also. Thus, unlike with OS, you have an option.
Whaddya mean no options for an OS?
1. If you dislike details and love bells and whistles, Windows
2. If you are STILL thinking about upgrading your 286, DOS or CP/M
3. You enjoy details, endless configurability options and complexity, BEOS,
Linux, or any *nix
4. If you've NO option of getting laid and posess an IQ as large as your Zip
Code, you write your own.
> Any of the above are a complete waste of time, money, and longivity.
I agree totally and think it also applies to the whole OS issue too ;)
Tom
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Lets try serious advocacy/discussion.
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:17 GMT
> > Does Bush run Linux?
>
> Michael Moore wrote a great article about Bush, makes a good case that
> he is a functionally illiterate, alcoholic, failure with a drunk driving
> record an a drug addiction.
>
* The Kennedys became rich from prohibition bootlegging
* LBJ was a redneck asshole
* Nixon...WAS a crook.
* Gerald Ford couldn't even stand up
* Jimmy Carter was naive
* Regan was...well...Regan.
* Bush was Regan light.
* Clinton obviously DOESN'T understand sexual relations seeing that
he mistook a 22 year old intern as a humidor.
Sounds to me like Bush Jr. is in good company!
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:12 GMT
"Greg Reynolds" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ue089$m4m$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > They simply have to use their brains. If they dont have one, they
> > should most certianly avoid linux as well as any other activity which
> > could possibly lead to activation of grey matter.
>
> You're falling into the classic techie trap of assuming that anyone who
> doesn't get on with computers is a total idiot. Most people just want to
> use a computer to do there work, and don't want or need to know how it
> works. Until Linux can be as simple as 'turn it on, and it works' then
> it'll be a toy for geeks with time on their hands (like me). I mean, it's
> taken me days to ry and get a GUI IMAP mail client to work, and I still
> haven't done it, because I need header files from a library that aren't in
> the right place, then I can't get hold of other libraries I need, it's a
> total nightmare. If I could do everything I need under Windows then I
would.
Well said. Sums up everything I was going to say except for the IMAP client
thing (Which one by chance?)
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The laptop with Linux lasted exactly one week.......
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:14 GMT
> >FYI: I am wasting my time on this newsgroup because it makes me laugh.
> >Sometimes I need a break.
>
>
> It's the most hysterical group on the net.
>
It would make more sense to rename this group, comp.os.any.zealotry ;)
Tom
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: 2.4 Kernel Delays.
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:10 GMT
> Any place where money changes hands (legally, that is) is a place for PR.
> The PR strategy for IBM's supercomputers was one I happened to follow very
> closely. They hired a brilliant graduate student, gave him a 5 million
> dollar (or so) budget, and told him to develop a machine that could defeat
> the World Chess Champion, Garri Kasparov. Thus, 'Deep Blue' was born.
> Actually, it grew out of 'Deep Thought', a machine the student had
developed
> in school over the years and already the strongest chess computer in
> history.
>
> Hsu 'ported' the whole thing to IBM's latest supercomputer hardware, spent
a
> few years refining, tuning, debugging, etc, and in the end, did what no
> other computer had ever done -- it beat the human chess champion in a set
> match.
>
> For IBM, this was nothing but PR for its super-computer hardware.
>
> jwb
Personally, I think the Kasparov of 2-3 years prior could have
beaten Deep Thought.
Also, I'd LOVE to have a peek at that code!
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Disapointed in the election
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:19 GMT
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:53:24 +0000, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >As I said before, I understand you voting for Nader, whether or not
> >he'll be a real player in 4 years (and I doubt that). I just think
> >people who voted Nader ought to have voted Gore, cos in this election,
> >Nader isn't a player really, and Gore is the lesser of 2 evils.
>
> What it boils down to is that when you vote for a third party candidate
> in the US electoral system, you are basically throwing a spanner in the
> works, and subverting the system. Though I'm not going to say that there's
> anything wrong with doing that. I just wish to point out that it really
> is a two party system, and minority parties do tend to screw things up.
>
> For the system to work in a way that doesn't polarise voters towards
> majority parties, you really need something like an instant-runoff system.
>
> While I support Gore, I don't have any problem with Bush winning an
election
> where Gore has more of the popular vote -- the "state vote" system has a
> lot of good points. But I think instant runoffs would improve the system
The media keeping their damned mouths shut until the results are truly in
would also be an improvement.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:15 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > For the most part, I agrees.
> > The problem is that Apple's actions, to take an example out of the blue,
are
> > just as morally flawed, and it's not even being condemned about them.
>
> That's because they all turn into self-inflicted wounds in the form of
> limited market-share.
>
> When their primary product was the Apple ][, with completely open
architecture
> (hell, the access to the card slots was held by velcro, not screws), they
> were IMMENSELY popular.
>
> When Apple decided that they would try to control EVERYTHING on the
machine,
> including trying out a completely closed hardware architecture for a
couple
> years....their market share plummeted.
>
Funniest thing about that was, in the midst of it all, IBM tried the same
nonsense
with the PS/2 architecture. With the same dismal results.
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:20 GMT
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ktJO5.16034$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "Christopher Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8udj0o$46q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >
> > > And how would you do this?
> >
> > The only sanctioned way to do anything in Unix, of course - by editing a
> > text file !
>
> Don't you like consistency? I learned to edit text files on the first
> computer
> I ever used, and have never found it to be a problem. On the other hand
> every time I pop up the 'run' button on a windows box at work I find that
> the last thing used was the "real" windows user interface: regedit.
LOL
I see that too!
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Is Lame. Sorry but it is true
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:21 GMT
"Mig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:8uf7i4$eim$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> As Claire points out we will see how long you and Mandrake lasts.
> My guess is about 7 to 10 days... then you'll start to have funny
problems.
> Hmmm...man pages are done......maybe drakconf??
> Anyone with a better guess??
I've been using it for months now without incident.
My only complaint is the braindead, inconsistent way they handle menus in
7.1.
Seems as stable as a rock to me.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Spontaneously Crashing Sun Server Coverup
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 11:39:20 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > > > "(Sometimes a cosmic ray can be at fault.) [of the fault]" - It
sound
> > all
> > > > too much like "Aliens has invaded the computer!"
> > > > Please, spare me the SF. If it's a cosmic ray fault (exactly how,
btw)
> > build
> > > > a protection against it.
> > >
> > > Maybe you're not aware of the problem, but it's not SF. Just
> > > give a look to a company which is providing service for that
> > > sort of problems:
> > >
> > > http://www.alphacounting.com/
> >
> > This rank very high on the badly designed sites that I've seen.
>
> Well, look at the bright side. Maybe it's a new customer for you.
When a site choose a ALL CAPITAL title to the front page...
> > > When fast RAM came into production there was great rumour
> > > about the alpha particle problem, and it appeared that you
> > > couldn't reliably use a dinamic RAM unless you had enough
> > > redundancy for single and double bit error correction. Then
> > > memories without parity check became common, but I'm afraid
> > > more out of commercial reasons.
> >
> > I know it's not SF, I write SF as a hobby, so I'd to do some homework in
the
> > subject. The problem is that it *sound* like one.
> > If alpha rays are the cause of that, why not to block them.
> > Put a centimeter of lead as a protection, if you must, it's not like you
are
> > going to move those beasties very often anyway. :)
>
> It's not so trivial. Alpha particles may come, (quoting from the site):
>
> "From bonding and release agents, encapsulating, lidding, molding and
> packaging
> materials, lead/tin solder and BGA, to ceramics, plastics and fibers,
> just about
> anything that might come into contact with your product/process."
>
> It's not so easy to screen an IC die from its plastic package! Just to
> make things easier, lead is a *source* of alpha particles, not a screen
> against them.
Ouch!
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: RedHat BugList Summary
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:39:18 GMT
> > Remember the "Ping of Death"? MS's ping utility could generate
> > these (non-standard sized) packets from the command line.
>
> I don't remember this. I remember the only way to do it was with
> "WinNuke" on the Windows side and there were several utilities on the
> *nix side.
>
> > Other OS's needed fancy, contorted programs to generate these packets.
> >
> > Remote DOS attacks from the MS standard ping utility. I think that
counts.
>
> I think you're mistaken.
No he's not. I watched a kid do it once.
Locked an NT4.0 server up as tight as a drum.
I'm quite sure it isn't possible now, but, it used to be!
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: wtb: Old Digital DEC PDP-8 computer or software
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 04:47:14 -0500
MH wrote:
>
> > Everything was "new." Learning meant inventing, inventions became
> > standards, standards could be ignored like management....
>
> Must be why you love linux so.
This is exactly why you are unpleasant and usually not worth the time of
a response.
If you spent less time looking to insult people and more time trying to
understand what people write, you would be much better off.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Goldhammer)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 09:52:04 GMT
On Fri, 10 Nov 2000 03:33:02 GMT,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So you can't use Oracle on Linux for >2GB databases without fancy
>techniques or special filesystems.
That is quite nonsensical.
--
Don't think you are. Know you are.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows vs. everybody-else in the desktop/server markets. (Long!)
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:12:35 +0200
"sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ufemj$pq4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ummm, do you understand statistics are all????
> >
> > Not in english, no.
> >
>
> ???? Statistics are mathmatic.
Terms are in english, which I've failed to successfully translate to the
terms which I can understand.
> > > Nope, MS isn't even in the top 50! Infact MS W2K is about 245 days
> > > BEHIND number 50 on the list! And the best Uptime NT/windows98
> > > www.microsoft.com reports is a stunning 28 days! Yeah, you can pay
> > > hundreds of dollars on the most popular, I'll take the the best for
> > > free! WOW, Sounds like you following the lemmings to bankrupcy!
> >
> > MS OS currently run 31 of the 100 most popular webpages.
> > Microsoft.com, btw, is the second most popular one.
> > Draw your own conclustions.
> >
>
> How did you determine this????? What method did you use to poll ALL the
> sites on the web (the only way you can find what the "most popular
> sites" are) If you are using the counter numbers, the best you can say
> is MS OS runs on 31 of the 100 most popular the counter's customer
> pages.
100hot.com & netcraft.com
It's all in the post that started this.
> MS OS running on 31 of the 100 most popular site means that 69 of the
> top 100 are running something else! Probably Unix!
No, 20 run linux.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:22:15 +0200
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>
> > > >
> > > >How could they know?
> > > >Let me ask it again: How could Outlook know, for crying out loud?!
>
> Well, if it can't know, then it should not have associations to shell
> interpreters by default.
Then what? You save it to disk and open it from there, right?
That is what outlook wants you to do anyway.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:23:34 +0200
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> But many infected programs came from a trusted source.
"TRUST NOBODY!" is not something that make people comfortable.
> I expect Outlook not to associate any files with shell interpreters. Even
> Netscape
> somehow manages to not associate *.sh files with sh.
On linux, it isn't.
However, you save it to disk, and then what? The average user with just
double click it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:27:23 +0200
"Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Christopher Smith wrote:
>
> > "Sam Morris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:uGCN5.9$y94.1043@stones...
> > > > On *nix systems, virii are inhibited because a user is running in
his /
> > > > her own space, so that downloaded files are isolated, even if run.
> > > > These programs are never given access to any executable on which the
> > > > machine depends. On *nix systems, "virus" is something of an
> > > > anachronism.
> > >
> > > As it should be. Fortunately, exactly the same thing happens when
running
> > > Windows 2000 (and possibly NT4 if you're using NTFS).
> >
> > Certainly NT4 (and every other version of NT).
>
> And is Microsoft pushing this for home users?
If a user have a trouble with 9x, he wouldn't be able to handle NT.
And BTW, MS does push it to the home users, next version of windows, 9x will
*die*.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Can you love a platform without being a bigot?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:33:29 +0200
"Jon Davis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ECBO5.406787$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Just FYI I found some free time to write another lame article, this time
> about platform bigotry ... This one's not so good--not that either of the
> previous articles were--but .. well, I'm interested in your feedback
anyway.
>
> http://www.planetspooge.com/Social/articles/-platformbigot.htm
Interesting read.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: so REALLY, what's the matter with Microsoft?
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 12:37:47 +0200
"." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8ufd3a$4v8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> NT cannot run realtime applications in realtime.
http://www.embedded.com/98/9807fe.htm
A description of what Real Time is.
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From: Nick Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft Misconceptions:
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:39:59 +0000
Raul Sainz wrote:
> > 1. Linux is an OS: Linux is not the total operating system. Linux,
> strictly
> > speaking is only the kernel, however, when refering to the full
> > distribution, it is refered to as GNU/Linux
>
> With the kernel itself it is difficult to do anything, isn't it ? I would
> even
> include KDE or GNOME inside the Linux definition (although I know it is
> wrong) to have a OS to be able to compete at the desktop.
The problem we have here is Linux is a homonym, the same word describes two
different concepts, Linux-the-Kernel and Linux-the-Distribution, and this is the
source of much confusion. Microsoft doesn't suffer from this problem because you
never see a naked NT-the-Kernel, they are only ever seen as part of
NT-the-Distribution.
I have to disagree with you on the desktop issue. KDE and GNOME really cannot be
regarded as part of Linux, because they run on a wide range of platforms and
have to be regarded as applications is their own right. Nearly every
Linux-distro includes KDE and/or GNOME, but that doesn't make it part of Linux.
Nearly every Windows PC has Office installed, but Office is not part of Windows.
Microsoft has blinded us to the fact that the desktop is a *user application*,
by integrating their's into the OS for their own reasons (as they would later do
with the browser).
Everyone repeat after me "The user desktop is a user application!".
--
Nick
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From: Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Chad Meyers: Blatent liar
Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 10:54:56 GMT
In article <tAeN5.13178$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yes, keep in mind that RedHat users can download a fully up to date
> copy, new features and all. The Win95 user doesn't have that
> option.
Yes of course. Those Redhat users that have a fast reliable pipe have
this option. That narrows it down a little
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
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