Linux-Advocacy Digest #233, Volume #30 Tue, 14 Nov 00 13:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: We will never know what the MS intruder did ("Chad Myers")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Marty)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum ("Chad Myers")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (sfcybear)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (.)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Marty)
Re: Aaron R. Kulkis - Who is this guy? (Jake Taense)
Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum (.)
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Reply-To: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: We will never know what the MS intruder did
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 16:59:42 GMT
"Ketil Z Malde" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The source for Linux is there, but it doesn't appear that people are
> > content to wallow through miles and miles of poorly written code
> > when all the tried and true methods (the ones they use for Windows)
> > work just as well on Linux.
>
> Which methods are that? Disassembler, packet sniffer, brute force API
> hammering?
According to the text of some of these groups on their methods of
finding these exploits, yes. Packet sniffers and tagging opened ports
with large amounts of characters are typical network exploit methods.
Having the source wouldn't really aid you in this effort unless you
planned on spending large amounts of time pouring through it. A few
telnet sessions would tell you right away if there was a problem.
> >>> People are finding bugs at a rate almost as frequent as Linux,
> >>> although it's waning now in the past few months.
>
> >> Well, one conclusion could be that there are "almost as many" bugs in
> >> NT as in Linux, another could be that there are many more bugs in NT,
> >> but that they are harder to find.
>
> > I wasn't making assumptions. You're trying to say it's harder to find
> > bugs in closed source, and I'm saying, "Look at the numbers". The numbers
> > suggest no one is having a hard time finding bugs in NT.
>
> And I'm saying that this could equally well be because there are many
> more bugs in NT. *shrug*.
I'm not sure what you're saying. There are more bugs being found in Linux
now, but they're being found by the same methods in most cases. Rarely,
in the text of the author of the exploit warning do you read, "while I
was browsing through the source, I noticed this problem...".
> >> What?! Who's changing the goal line?
>
> [request for clarification carefully omitted by you]
>
> > Linux is a kernel, it isn't a kernel, it is a kernel. You change the
> > definition of Linux (which is typically most of the distributions, or
> > the common code that they all shared which is typically more than the
kernel)
> > to suits your needs in the heat of the debate.
>
> And who is comparing what to "ALL of MS products" again?
I don't know, who? I'm not sure what you're saying. Awhile back, I made a
comment that several specific distros are now beating ALL of MS products in
exploits per month. I was merely pointing out that the claims that OSS
yields better software and quicker bug discovery was false.
Typically, when I refer to Windows, it's NT and or 2000 only.
However, when I refer to Linux, as do most people, I refer to the common
code shared by many distributions (i.e. the kernel and common services).
It's the PRODUCT as a whole, not the vendor's extensions. People often
do this same thing with Windows, but worse (they lump Exchange bugs in
with Windows. I would consider an IE bug, for the most part as part of
the OS as a bug, but not with Exchange).
-Chad
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:16:12 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Curtis" <alliem@kas*spam*net.com> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Aaron R. Kulkis wrote...
> > > > > Once again you confuse executing with opening. When making
> arguments
> > > > > against Windows, use Windows terminology.
> > >
> > >
> > > YOu fucking shit-fo-brains moron....
> > >
> > > it is precisely BECAUSE MS FAILS TO DISTINGUISH BETWEEN "OPENING" AND
> "RUNNING"
> > > that e-mail viruses are so rampant on Microshaft Operlosing Systems.
> >
> > Actually we do know the difference.
> >
> > How is joe user going to be able to tell what's what in a perl script
> > file when he opens it to view the contents rather than just run it?
> > Hmmmm?
>
> What Aaron & Les refuse to understand that anyone who can read VBS/VBA/JS
> (some of the simplest in existance) can understand basic safety measures.
And tell us...how do you READ the VBS/VBA/JS file beforehand *WITHOUT*
executing it?
> Those who can't...
> Well, Les suggest a hex editor for exe files.
> I don't know what users Les has to deal with, but I want them.
So...in other words..for newbies...GLUE THE FUCKING ACCELERATOR
TO THE FLOOR because newbies might not be able to find it....
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:17:33 -0500
sfcybear wrote:
>
> Yeapers, but the point is moot unless you are making the case that NT
> has better uptime performance the lousy W2K performance.
He can't do that without contradicting his party line that W2K is more
reliable than NT.
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Reply-To: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:04:16 GMT
"Craig Kelley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Goldhammer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > In article <xP5Q5.126446$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Bruce Schuck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > I quoted:
> > >
> > > "Internally, all Oracle8i file I/O routines support 64-bit file
> > > offsets, meaning that there are no 2GB or 4GB file size limitations
> > > when it comes to data, log, or control files as is the case on some
> > > other platforms."
> > >
> > > "some other platforms" have 2GB or 4GB file limitations.
> > >
> > > Linux and Unix would be examples.
> > >
> > > NT does NOT have a 2GB or 4GB file size limitation.
> >
> >
> > Whether or not you can use >2Gb or >4Gb Oracle
> > datafiles on NT depends on:
> >
> > 1. Your version of NT
> >
> > 2. Your service packs
> >
> > 3. Your version of Oracle
> >
> > 4. The DBA policy at your site. Some sites implement
> > a policy of outright banning the usage of such large
> > files.
> >
> > In any case, don't think life is going to be
> > so rosy for a DBA who plans on designing a database
> > around a tablespace with one massive 32Gb Oracle datafile.
> > In many cases, it's quite possibly the dumbest
> > design decision one can make.
> Yes; especially when one of those drives goes down and you have two
> 18GB spares ready to put in the machine.
But a multitude of <2GB files is preferable?
-Chad
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:20:19 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:An3P5.18383$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:8ugp4i$5q5$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > > That is the point. It doesn't know, and shouldn't know about
> > > > executables
> > > > > > and should never allow them to be executed. It should only hand
> to
> > > > > > programs known *not* to execute untrusted content.
> > > > >
> > > > > Such as?
> > > >
> > > > Programs that won't do anything other than display regardless
> > > > of the content.
> > >
> > > And what would those programs would be? Who would choose them?
> >
> > This hasn't been a problem for anyone but Microsoft.
>
> Product bundling, anyone?
>
> > > You don't choose blindly, you say no, review the code, and then choose
> > > whatever to execute it.
> >
> > Can you guarantee that everyone will do it in exactly that
> > order?
>
> Can car makers guarantee that cars will be locked?
You're right.
Detroit shouldn't put locks in cars, because SOME people don't use them.
GIVE IT UP, SHIT-HEAD.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:22:49 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8uio3r$4ul$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > > 'Edit it'? Does the dialog you use to open it in an editor really
> replace
> > > the word 'open' with 'edit'? Is the shortcut ALT-F/E now? To be
> > > consistent, don't you need a 'File/edit' dialog inside outlook for
> > > the attachments too?
> >
> > *Sigh deeply*
> > I don't like to talk to ignorant people, please find a windows machine
> with
> > outlook (shouldn't be hard to find) and send yourself a couple of
> > attachments, see how it deals with it.
>
> Oh - I thought it was obvious from the badly-wrapped messages I've
> been posting - and of course, the headers, that I am typing this in
> outlook (just happens to be on the machine with the biggest screen
> at home). When I click on an attachment, it does nothing resembling
> what the desktop does, nor anything particularly useful for a mailer.
> I normally read mail in Netscape, but since it is on an IMAP server
> I can see the same stuff here. Taking a message with some graphs
> of network use as an example, Netscape just displays them inline
> with the message, which is fairly useful. In outlook I have to
> double-click, then I get this pop-up warning about how the png is
> going to be harmful which you seem to think is consistent with the
> desktop, I guess. Then, since I really don't want to splatter png files
> all over my disk I pick open, and it dumps me into Adobe PhotoDeluxe
> which takes a while to load. I didn't want to edit the thing, I just want
> to see it. Remind me why people use this for mail.
Because Microsoft decrees it to be...and they are shit-heads.
>
> > > > The icon of the file tells you.
> > >
> > > I'm icon-challanged.
> >
> > I leave this satement to talk for itself.
>
> Looks like hiroglyphics to me - didn't that go out of style
> a few thousand years ago when they invented the alphabet?
>
> > > > The extension tells you.
> > >
> > > What's an extension? .TXT.vbs
> >
> > Again, you show great ignorance here.
> > extention is whatever come after the last dot.
>
> This is very system-specific. Why is the last
> one special? Why should I have to know that?
>
> > > > The filename will usually give some indication.
> > >
> > > To whom?
> >
> > The user.
>
> Why do users have to memorize all this stuff. I thought
> windows was supposed to be easy.
>
> > > > Most people are stupid and/or ignorant. Your point ?
> > >
> > > Is it impossible to fool you?
> >
> > It's impossible to fool me to open a virus from unknown source which might
> > contain dangerous code.
>
> Why is that, and why is it not true for most other people?
>
> > > > Neither does outlook.
> > >
> > > It did, and does, and we know what it causes.
> >
> > See comment above about ignorance.
>
> Most people are ignorant of system-specific details.
> Most systems allow them to remain that way and not
> have their files stolen.
>
> > > > No, outlook only executes something you tell it to.
> > >
> > > No one ever told it to execute visual basic. It did it because
> > > of a choice the sender made.
> >
> > No, it did it because you choose to open the VBS file without viewing it
> > first. *Your* fault.
>
> Opening is the normal thing to do with mail. People should not be
> forced to memorize the difference between every script interpreter
> and photo editor before viewing their mail. Mailers should not
> start a script interpreter just because the sender chose a file
> extension associated with it.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
http://directedfire.com/greatgungiveaway/directedfire.referrer.fcgi?2632
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:23:01 GMT
In article <8urq4m$7rb$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Stuart Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Jack Troughton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Read the link again. It explains it quite clearly. NT4 simply
> cannot, in
> > > any circumstance, report an uptime longer than 49.7 days, even if
> the server
> > > has been up for 3 years straight. It can't make it into the top
50
> if it is
> > > incapable of reporting a time large enough to BE in the top 50,
now
> can it?
> >
> > So... there is no real-world way to assess the reliability of NT. Is
> > that what you're saying?
>
> uptime.exe
> >
> > > > And you never explained the graph that shows Starbucks rebooting
> their
> > > > NT 4 server on a daily basis for months and months on end.
> > >
> > > Again:
> > > http://uptime.netcraft.com/hammer/accuracy.html#whichos
> > >
> > > "NT4 SP5 sometimes gives unreliable data, appearing as a "swarm of
> bees"
> > > effect on a graph."
> >
> > So... there is no real-world way to assess the reliability of NT. Is
> > that what you're saying?
>
> uptime.exe
>
> >
> > > Notice how the starbucks NT4 results show no trend. One day it's
> an 18 day
> > > uptime, the next day it's 40 days, the next day it's 0 days, the
> next day
> > > something else. There is no way from *ANY* NT4 uptime result to
> know if
> > > it's accurate or not.
> >
> > So... there is no real-world way to assess the reliability of NT. Is
> > that what you're saying?
> >
>
> uptime.exe
>
> > > > I thought
> > > > NT 4 was the end-all and be-all of server OS's, Eric? How can u
> > > > explain this anomalous behavior?
> > >
> > > I explain it by pointing out netcrafts own explanation. NT4's
> uptime
> > > statistics are not valid in any condition. Ever.
> >
> > So... there is no real-world way to assess the reliability of NT. Is
> > that what you're saying?
> >
>
> uptime.exe. Of course, you can't run this over the net, but it's
> a "real world" way to measure the "reliability", as long as you define
> reliability to be uptime.
>
> >
> > Well, seeing as you're telling us that there's no reliable way of
> > assessing NT's real-world performance on the internet, which facts
> > are we supposed to get straight? I mean, why would anyone use a
> > system that can't even track its own uptime properly? If one's going
> > to use a server system, I would certainly hesitate to use one that
> > is designed in such a way as to make gathering reliability
> > information impossible to gather in any meaningful way.
> >
>
> Uptime is a completely bogus figure when talking about the performance
> of a web server. The OS could be up, but the HTTP service could be
> crashed/down etc. Performance of a web server can only really be
> measured by how "available" a server is to users, not what the OS
> uptime is. This applies to any OS you care to mention. Of course,
> measuring availability is next to impossible, as too many other
factors
> come into it. A mere uptime measure doesn't take into account
> operational procedures (e.g. a web site might have scheduled downtime
> on each box in their cluster every x days).
> FWIW, Starbastards managed to achieve something that many *nix heads
> say is impossible and kept Windows 2000 for a reasonable length of
time.
server uptime is in many cases a messure of reliability and it is tied
to availability. After all, if the server is down it can't very well be
running httpd, now can it?
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Before you buy.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:36:19 GMT
Bruce Schuck wrote:
> >
> > Well, MS underwent a big effort to undermine this joke,
> > blackmailing OEM's and playing other nasty tricks.
> > Can you tell why?
>
> Microsft gave away IE because Netscape gave their product away for free you
> twit.
Sorry, it's the other way around. Period.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Date: 14 Nov 2000 17:40:58 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yawn...
> I don't feel like writing my own operating system today.
> Maybe tomorrow.
Translation:
I'm too old and stupid to understand anything new at this point. I'm
set in my ways, and I expect everyone else to believe me when I lie
under the insinuation that im actually thoughtful and intelligent.
I'm jealous of all the kids running around these days that understand
computers to a much greater degree than I know ill ever be capable, and
I hate them for it. Why am I so dumb?
=====.
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 12:40:57 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > > "Marty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Recently, they decided it would be a great idea to take this smoothly
> > > > working setup and install Win2K as the web server in its place. I now
> > > > had to change my content in two ways:
> > > >
> > > > 1. My index.html page had to become default.htm (requiring changes in
> > > > all of the sub-pages that link back to this page)
> > >
> > > Not true. What the default html page is admin defineable. They could
> > > have made your default page default.htm if you had asked them to.
> >
> > So it was the maintainer's ignorance that caused him to change from the
> > world-wide standard "index.html" to "default.htm"? If not, then why would
> > the default be set to something non-standard and conforming to 8.3 notation?
>
> I don't know if it was the maintainers ignorance or not. Likely, it's your
> ignorance for not asking them to make your default page what you wanted (I
> think all web servers give you the option for this, so you should have known
> to ask).
Why should I have to ask for things to remain the same as they
were????? How is it my "ignorance" for me to assume that a product will
conform to well-recognized and accepted standards? Furthermore, I'm not
paying for their services and I have very little sway with them. They
were magnanimous enough to allow me to use the server. I don't have any
part in the decision-making when it comes to their servers. (This is
obvious, because if I did have some sway, I would have pushed for
staying with the reliable Solaris server.)
> > > > 2. All of the CGI stuff I was using had to be canned, rebuilt, or
> > > > replaced
> > >
> > > You'd have to do that if they moved to Solaris on an x86 box as well.
> >
> > Right. But every page on the site had to do this, and what have we gained
> > from it?
>
> The point is that the type of system moved to is irrelevant to this problem.
> *ANY* change in OS would required at least a rebuild.
But what have we gained from this move? I've already identified what
we've lost.
It's probably just my "ignorance" showing again that I haven't been able
to recognize all of the wonderful things that Win2K has done for my web
site since it's been down for these past 2 1/2 weeks.
> > > > If that was the extent of the trouble, it would have been
> > > > inconvenient, but tolerable, but it wasn't. Take a look now at where
> > > > http://emuos2.vintagegaming.com is now. Or even
> > > > http://www.vintagegaming.com. Can't reach it, can you? It's been
> > > > like this on and off for 2 weeks. It has been down more than it has
> > > > been up by a ratio of 100:1.
> > >
> > > Have you asked them why? Maybe they're having hardware troubles.
> >
> > I've discussed the situation with the owner of the most popular page on
> > the site. They are having software difficulties. The web site has been
> > up with Win2K and came down shortly thereafter. While it was up, I noticed
> > less throughput and my uploads for getting the site back online were slower
> > than usual, but I'm sure this will be dismissed as circumstantial.
>
> Some common sense here. They had a system that had probably been running
> for quite some time and well tweaked. They install a new system that hasn't
> yet been tuned. Of course it will be slower until they tune it to the same
> level the old server had been.
Time will tell, if they ever get the box up.
> On further examination, it appears that the owner of the box is running your
> site on a DSL line, at least that's what the hostnames resolve to in the
> traceroute.
Of what relevance is this comment?
> Still, your story makes no sense.
I'm sorry that reality doesn't make sense to you. It doesn't make sense
to me either. Why would anyone take a more-than-adequate, working
system and replace it with a non-functional one that (as you
hypothesized) wasn't well tweaked?
> Tens of thousands of people have Win2k up and running their web servers.
Evidence please.
> Why is this one site the only one that can't even bring their site up?
Must be because of incompetance and ignorance, right?
> The only reason would be a hardware or driver related issue where they needed
> to wait to replace it.
Why wouldn't/didn't they get their act together BEFORE bringing the
server on line? I'll remind you that the system was up and running
Win2K for a few days before it disappeared.
> > > Doing a traceroute, I find that pings aren't getting outside of
> > > alternet. It's dying even before it gets to the subnet that
> > > emuos2.vintagegaming.com is on. Sounds like a network problem to me.
> >
> > They've taken down the link to work on the box.
>
> That suggests a hardware problem. Not a website problem.
How does that suggest a hardware problem? If I'm working on the
software on a box, I'm going to take it offline and work on it.
> > > > Needless to say, I'm less than impressed.
> > >
> > > Perhaps if you looked into things, you might find out what's wrong.
> >
> > I figured that being in personal contact with the folks who are working
> > directly on the problems and the folks who are most affected by it would
> > be considered "looking into things". Aside from that, there's nothing I
> > can do because the box is offline.
>
> You said only that you talked to the "owner of the largest site" on the box.
> Not that you talked to the people working on the problem. If you are, what
> specifically is the problem?
Would there be a problem if they knew? :-)
The owner of the largest site had been working on the problem directly
while the box was up. Now that it's down, it's out of his hands because
he doesn't live near the physical box.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jake Taense)
Subject: Re: Aaron R. Kulkis - Who is this guy?
Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2000 17:43:18 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Are you claiming that having taken a course, in say, english literature
>is the difference between being an engineer or not?
>
>What part of fulfilled or EXCEEDED all core curriculum requirements
>do you not undferstand?
Do you hold a degree in an engineering field?
No, you don't.
Do you claim to be an engineer in your sig?
Yes, you do.
Are you lying?
Yes, you are.
I don't see what's so complicated about this. Saying "Well, the school's don't
say I'm an engineer, but I think I am" doesn't make it so.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux 2.4 mired in delays as Compaq warns of lack of momentum
Date: 14 Nov 2000 17:43:28 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) writes:
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, I've worked for two companies now that have used Oracle and in both
>> > companies they have had long-standing and trained Oracle DBAs that did not
>> > use the raw partition either on Solaris or NT when they installed it. We
>> > rarely, if ever had problems (with uptime, at least, aside from the crappiness
>> > of the Oracle product in general) with these database and performance was
>> > good.
>>
>> Either these 'oracle DBAs' didnt know what the hell they were doing, or
>> you're lying
> Actually, for once, Chad's correct. Using raw partitions is usually a
> mistake. If you absolutely need the extra 5% performance bonus that
> it gives you, then you're usually better off getting more mature
> hardware.
Hes wrong in a much larger sense; if you're using oracle in a capacity where
it is POSSIBLE to use something other than raw partitions and not suffer
an unacceptable performance hit for it, you should be using some form of
SQL instead. Oracle is an expensive and hoggish solution that is far to
often used for piddling projects.
=====.
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