Linux-Advocacy Digest #385, Volume #30 Thu, 23 Nov 00 15:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Ok I'll give a little...but just a little... (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense (mark)
Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here... (mark)
Re: The real question about Claire Lynn (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (Giuliano Colla)
Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION: (mark)
Re: Microsoft = Ingsoc? They're clearly using some of the same tactics! (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
Re: Uptime -- where is NT? (mark)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Ok I'll give a little...but just a little...
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:32:25 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Jim Broughton wrote:
>kiwiunixman wrote:
>>
>> fucking hell! I can't believe it, I had to double check this post, and
>> yes it is definately from him/her. What next, Chad declares that he
>> is actually a partially bald, 40 something who is a UNIX admin, my god,
>> Claire has seen the light!
>>
> Now if we can just get her/him/it to admit that the CLI is just as if not
>more powerful than a GUI we will have really gotten somewhere.
>
Santa's coming...
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:01:45 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> p.s. If you know so much, explain this, because I have no freakin
>> clue...
>> I was cleaning up my mom's computer to make it sorta safe for the
>> internet, and when I opened IE to change the settings (blank page was
>> the default) and no phone line attached, the following popped up in
>> the address bar...
>> http://www.microsoft.com/?redir.dll/IEversion5.0/and I forget the
>> rest, but it ended with my mother's initials. The same thing happened
>> to me with Outlook Express so why the fuck is MS getting notified
>> every time we turn on IE or OE????
>
>I would really like to know if anyone has captured the data in the
>requests to see exactly what the browser IS trying to send to MS. I have
>observed this little 'tendency' in IE (not OE though?).
>
>My start page is set to about:blank, yet every little once in a while the
>sneaky little fucker starts trying to connect to MS again. I don't need
>to reset the home page... the next time I load it, it's blank again.
>
>This is just plain SUSPICIOUS.
Netmeeting phones home as well. It's kind of unsurprising that Windows is
so insecure - it needs to be in order to enable all these bits of soft-
ware to phone back to Microsoft Headquarters so they can see what you're
doing, or where you are, or who you are, or, well, what, exactly?
Incidentally, last time I mentioned this someone responded very fast to
say that you could disable this behaviour, but I've not been able to
see how. Maybe I need that MCSE :)
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Same old Linux..Nothing new here...
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:35:58 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mark
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
>on Wed, 22 Nov 2000 19:44:42 +0000
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>>In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> wrote
>>>on Tue, 14 Nov 2000 15:18:10 GMT
>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>>>On Tue, 14 Nov 2000 10:52:34 +0000, "Scaramanga"
>>>><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Can't get a mousewheel to work?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well I'd rather have that than a whole OS that is quite clearly faulty.
>>>>
>>>>It's amazing what lack of ergonomics and ease of use you Linvocates
>>>>are willing to put up with to run Linux.
>>>
>>>Dumb question, but what would you rather have, a mouse whose wheel
>>>doesn't wrk on an ultra-secure operating system, or a wheelmouse
>>>which works perfectly on an OS which has more security holes
>>>than a piece of Swiss cheese? :-)
>>>
>>
>>
>>Whilst I agree fully with your sentiments, I'd just like to point
>>out that Switzerland is one the the worlds greatest cheese producers.
>>I think the cheese you're most likely referring to is called
>>emmenthal (th pronounced as 't' as in tree).
>>
>>I'm saying this because I like cheese and beer nearly as much as
>>I like linux :-)
>
>Heh..fair enough! :-)
>
>Mind you, I'm not familiar with emmenthal cheese, although there was
>an interesting controversy about the size of Swiss Cheese holes
>(apparently the USDA has to actually *measure* them).
>
>Go fig! :-)
LOL
I thought the EC was leading the way on standardisation lunacy, it's
good to see the US is up with the big boys...
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: The real question about Claire Lynn
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:43:59 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, kiwiunixman wrote:
>sticks and stones may break my bones but whips and chains excite me :)
>
Growwwllll ;)
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:07:24 +0000
In article <5K%S5.9943$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >I never said that I thought it was enough. When I wish to see the
>> >uptime of my NT boxes, I use the appropriate tool - uptime.exe. I'm
>> >not particularly interested in what is reported to me by the network
>> >stack.
>>
>> Is that the one which came with the machine, or one you had to
>> add later? My debian machines have the capability as part of the
>> distro.
>
>Ahh.. the Unix advocates last resort "But it doesn't come with the
>distribution!"
>
>
Ah, so you have to get that separately then. Is there a
broken one supplied with NT5/win2k, or none at all? How do you know
where to get it?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 13:50:56 +0000
In article <StZS5.434$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PLZI wrote:
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said PLZI in alt.destroy.microsoft;
>> [...]
>> >Can you guess by now, why I like the WSH, ASP and all those little other
>> >three-letter acronymes that come with Windows platform?
>>
>> Because they're the only way you understand how to do things, and are
>> not concerned with how crappy the OS is, otherwise? Just a guess.
>
>Nope. I (still, I hope) can do things via JES2/JES3, FOCUS and plain vanilla
>MVS console. Never got the time to really appreciate CICS, but hey, that's
>for application programmers anyway. But somehow in comparison they seem just
>a tad more restricted. (ok, tapeditto was nice. if you needed the 18-track
>serpentine tapes edited on the 3481, that is. hmm. I miss the first true IBM
>clone, the BASF S/43. I truly was a sight to behold. sniff. I want one.
>Anyone? I already have SS10, G-Class 800/G30 and 700-series pizzabox, but
>they are almost as bad as PC's. Blah. Damn microcomputers.)
>
>Of course, you could go through my list, and give some real-world examples
>how to do things on *nix systems, instead of whining in two sentences? Start
>for example from moving the user data from Netware to your favourite *nix?
ncpmount etc. for Debian GNU/Linux (provided with platform).
>With the tools provided on the platform? And for credibility, give one or two
>other examples as well? Say, file search/indexing, using those as well as in
>web server and office software of your choice, and multiplatform database
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
There is no windows office software provided on the platform - you have
to buy it separately.
File searching on my web server uses find & grep. You can use catdoc
to search msword files if you must, works in conjuction with find & grep.
It's part of the distribution, again, unlike windows.
I'm not aware of windows having any database software provided as part of the
platform either. Debian GNU/Linux has some, but I don't know much about
it.
>server support? List the tools needed. Show me a better way, and I will
>listen.
>
>- PLZI
>
>
I'm not sure what office or database packages are provided as part of
windows. Perhaps you're using a different definition of platform, which
is a much abused term in technical and managerial circles now. I tend
to view it as referring to hardware, but it sometimes refers to hard
and software, and occasionally software only. I guess it's good for
this kind of debate since you can qualify it after the fact, as it
were.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:09:43 +0000
In article <sA%S5.9940$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > I still cannot see why people are so hung up on this. If you want
>> > accurate uptime information, use the uptime.exe tool. I don't care
>> > whether anyone else wants to attempt to measure my uptime via the
>> > network stack.
>>
>> Maybe you've heard sometime speak about servers. They're
>> boxes sitting there and providing services to other boxes
>> (called clients) via a network, sometimes nearby, sometimes
>> at the other side of the globe.
>> It's not a common usage for Windows boxes, because of their
>> poor reliability, but nonetheless some are sold (such as NT
>> servers) for that purpose.
>>
>> Well, there's quite a number of reasons a client would like
>> to know whether the server is still running since the
>> previous time it connected, or it has been subject to
>> reboot.
>> Most of them are related to the possibility that
>> informations previously left on server can reliably be
>> believed to be still there or not.
>> It's a matter of optimizing performance by avoiding an
>> useless transfer of substantial bulk of data. Bandwidth is
>> costly.
>>
>> Well, a server which cannot produce such a reliable
>> information, nullifies this optimization.
>
>Grow a clue. uptime.exe works over the network. And it reports accurate
>uptimes, even on NT4.
>
>
What period does this addon work over (ie., how many days before
it rolls over to zero)?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.linux.sucks
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:12:50 +0000
In article <8vhnkm$4irta$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nigel Feltham wrote:
>>Nothing. Debian GNU/Linux is good though.
>
>This reminds me of someone's sig file :
>'It said windows 95 or better on the box so I installed linux'
>
Now that you've mentioned it, I recall seeing it. Probably inspired the
remark.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:14:40 +0000
In article <8vhmcs$4kt5o$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Nigel Feltham wrote:
>>On my linux machine, if X does need to be shutdown, then c-a-backspace
>>will do it, and XDM will automatically restart it immediately. Within
>>a handful of seconds the login-prompt banner is up again.
>>
>
>
>I am not sure if this is a known bug but this reminds me of a bug I recently
>discovered
>in X. Login as a normal user. Open an Xterm. su root. Change system date
>'date -s 22/11/2001'. X seems to instantly die and restart back to XDM (or
>in my case KDM)
>login prompt (this was found under KDE so may be dependent on window
>manager). Changing
>date in the same way under a normal terminal (CTRL+ALT+F1) doesn't kill X.
>Annoying but easily
>avoidable once you know it is there, unlike most win9x, NT and win2k bugs.
>
>
Mmmmm, interesting one. Which distro was that?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:17:05 +0000
In article <8vht5a$4mtbe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
>> My user experience of trying to get Win98SE to shut-down after some
>> application problem (usually Word or Outlook) is that it can take hours.
>>
>> On the occasions when I get bored of waiting for it to shut down and issue
>> a reset, then on start-up, I get a message saying that I should have shut
>> down the machine properly.
>>
>> On my linux machine, if X does need to be shutdown, then c-a-backspace
>> will do it, and XDM will automatically restart it immediately. Within
>> a handful of seconds the login-prompt banner is up again.
>>
>> That's the difference in user experience which I have. Amongst my work
>> colleagues, the inability of Win98SE to shut down is near legendary.
>
>Press shift when you click the OK button on the shut down screen, this would
>give you quick shutdown.
>BTW, ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't restart X, it terminate it, and then start
>it, there is quite a difference here.
I agree with you.
I didn't say that c-a-backspace restarted X. I clearly stated that xdm will
automatically restart it.
What is a quick shutdown - is this a real shutdown or something else?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:18:20 +0000
In article <8vi6su$4o5hr$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> > BTW, ctrl+alt+backspace doesn't restart X, it terminate it, and then
>start
>> > it, there is quite a difference here.
>>
>> Semantic antics.
>
>No, it's not.
>There is a lot of a difference from restarting X server and terminating it &
>then starting it.
>
>
See my previous posting - you seem to have misread it - I clearly stated that
xdm does the restart, not X. I do not disagree with you, but I was not wrong.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 14:20:01 +0000
In article <8vht5b$4mtbe$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft;
>> >"Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:8ukj1n$241f1$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >I can't tell. Reason is, KDE (and linux, for that matter) has *really*
>> >> lousy
>> >> >support for the languages I need.
>> [...]
>> >I don't care.
>> >I don't live in china.
>>
>> So you're going to complain because something doesn't support your
>> language (something middle eastern, I recall), but when somebody uses
>> china as an example in a discussion of language support, your response
>> is "I don't care, I don't live in china?"
>
>Why *should* I care about language that I'm neither using nor likely to use.
>Linux has *bad* support for the launguages that *I* need. I don't give a
>horse's ass for those that I don't need
>Guess who has the best support for those languages that I *do* need?
>
Ah, so your attitude is that so long as you're happy, nobody else matters?
It's hardly surprising that Linux is continuing to grow, with this kind
of viewpoint espoused by the windows folk.
Mark
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 18:54:59 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" wrote:
>
[a lot of snipping]
>
> But that mucks up the whole idea of file types, in terms of conventional
> desktop behavior! Changing the extension to tell the system to use a
> particular application as the default for the file is one of those
> things that I just see as damn handy, and use quite often. How do you
> change the association between the file type and the file itself, if you
> can't manipulate the extension to do so, in KDE (or GNOME; I'd prefer
> examples in GNOME, even if TT did GPL QT).
>
Unfortunately I can only provide you with KDE information.
It has an appearance more familiar to MS-dependent users, so
it seems to be better accepted by my customers.
Actually my description was a bit hasty. If you change the
extension to another registered type, the change will hold
(a C source may be renamed from program.c to program.txt and
this makes it a text file, while program.html would appear
as an html document) while changing to an unknown extension
will let "magic" and OS guessing take care. So my source
files in Intel's PLM which have .plm or .p86 extensions
(undefined here) are considered C sources because they look
similar, and are opened with the associated editor.
However you have more tools to manipulate the associations,
because you may have multiple associations. Left click
activates the default one, right click provides you a list
of options (if you cared to enter them)
When I installed StarOffice, it built an association to html
files, so that StarOffice was the default for html. I prefer
Konqueror which is small and fast, so I suppressed the
default. But I can still open an html with StarOffice by
right-clicking. I may read pdf documents with Acrobat (my
default) or with PS reader (previous default, now option) Or
you may just use "Open with" (without need of shift key).
[snip]
>
> Be sure to remove IE 5.5, like usual, Giuliano. And feel free to ask
> for help with Agent. Ooh-rah.
I knew that you'd have appreciated that. Thank you.
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:11:10 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > BEGIN TRANSACTION
> > >
> > > If my bank does not use some sort of relational database to store my
> > > account information, and uses transactions to ensure that only
> > > transactions that complete successfully are committed to the
> database,
> > > then I won't bank with them.
> > >
> > > COMMIT TRANSACTION
> > >
> >
> > It was, as clearly stated, a textbook example. If your bank
> > uses an NT server you'd better bank elsewhere, I agree with
> > you.
> >
> I have a problem with textbook examples, given that textbooks very
> rarely fail to relate to the real world. I live and work in the real
> world, and I rather expected a real world example.
>
Well, you know, textbooks provide models, real world
provides implementations. If an implementation doesn't
follow a model, it's a piled up mess bound to fail.
Understanding computing (like any other discipline) requires
a lot of textbooks, besides a lot of hands-on experience.
Any reason why invention of printing has been so important?
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From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:13:13 GMT
Stuart Fox wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > OK, if it's a standard interrogation, it must be documented as such
> > > somewhere yes? And you must be able to point me to a reference that
> > > describes this standard?
> > >
> >
> > I only dig on this sort of documentation when I need it.
> > Last time was perhaps five years ago. As NT is providing it,
> > you may easily find it in the Windows NT server manuals.
>
> You tell me my lack of knowledge of Internet standards is telling, but
> then you yourself can't refer me to the standard? Funnily enough, the
> NT Server manuals provide no information on it.
>
Too bad.
Do you believe it a stupid thing, then, that they have
implemented it properly on Win 2000?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: LINUX USED BY THE NEW ZEALAND ARMY FOR ARMED FORCES SIMULATION:
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:19:00 +0000
In article <8vj9i7$u76$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, MH wrote:
>Then think real hard about WW2 for a few minutes. Done? Good.
>Now, I'm sure the all U.S. soldiers will be MORE than happy to let the New
>Zealand armed forces take over ALL peace keeping missions in the world.
>Middle East? No problem, call NZ.
>Belgrade? No problem, call NZ. When Korea erupts? No problem, call NZ. If
>you disapprove so much, why not simply go back to NZ? Seems real simple to
>me.
>
>
Interesting, looks like claire/steve/hepcat/jason/keys did it,
managed to start a US/NZ we're the greatest war.
I know that the Anzacs as well as the rest of the forces fighting
with Britain were very pleased when the US joined them.
The Anzacs have also been involved in a huge range of conflicts
since WW2, many of which had no US involvement at all (eg., Malaya), many
of which did.
This has nothing to do with Linux at all.
The NZ Army using linux for simulation does. Looks like prime
time to me.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Microsoft = Ingsoc? They're clearly using some of the same tactics!
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:24:49 +0000
In article <b69T5.9970$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> >
>> > "Kenny Pearce" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > How does this relate to Microsoft? Look at technical jargon.
>Imagine
>> > > trying to communicate to the average Windows user the idea of "virtual
>> > > terminals", "drive partitions" or "virtual screens".
>>
>> Since when has windows had virtual screens/ terminals? What are they
>> like?
>
>Since Win32 was first released. For instance, look at this screenshot of
>Litestep, a replacement shell for Explorer
>http://www.litestep.net/ssview.php3?filename=qnxrtp.jpg
>
>In the lower right corner you see a 3x3 grid, each of wich is a virtual
>screen.
>
>Win32 has built in API's for handling multiple screens and desktops,
>multiple monitors, multiple terminals (see windows terminal services).
>
I've used Afterstep, and it does handle multiple virtual screens.
Explorer does not provide multiple virtual screens.
I've certainly never had a virtual console available on Win32,
although I imagine that Erik may claim a dos instance running
in full-screen mode (alt-enter?) counts...
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:30:06 +0000
In article <WwcT5.5297$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Mulligan wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
>> >mark wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Mike Byrns wrote:
>> >> >Frog wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Fri, 17 Nov 2000 02:25:37 GMT , [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
>> >> >> >On Thu, 16 Nov 2000 19:35:43 -0500, Gary Hallock
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >
>> >The newer libs support the old calls even if they have to map them. The
>problem is
>> >that 3rd-party installers have historically replaced NEWER DLLs to suit
>their own
>> >needs thus breaking apps that depend on the NEW calls.
>> >
>> >
>> Ah, okay. So you buy some software from a vendor, install it, and
>something
>> else gets broken.
>>
>> I really do prefer the debian GNU/Linux way.
>>
>
>You mean where nothing works so it cannot be broken....
>
>
Debian GNU/Linux is rightly renowned for its stability and comprehensive
bug-fixing and testing cycles.
Everything I've tried seems to work.
Of course, you can try the unstable version, but that comes with no
such guarantees.
I was actually referring to the superb packaging approach, where
all dependencies are resolved automatically.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:42:36 +0000
In article <J4cT5.5264$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Chad Mulligan wrote:
>
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Try publishing an "unhappy Microsoft experience" on company letter
>> head, and watch how quickly Microsoft has your company in court
>> for violating the EULA, which specifically states that the corporation
>> MAY NOT publish *anything* disparaging about Microsoft's products...
>> EVEN IF IT'S TRUE.
>>
>
>Not true, I published a letter to the editor of PC week some 6 years ago
>with a minor complaint about Microsoft and received a call from MS asking
>what they could do to fix the problem, I told them and it was done, both
>retroactive and made policy in their next release.
I thought that the EULA was not enforcable 6 years ago, but might
be now? Related to UCITA or DMCA or something?
Would be interesting to see what happened now.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:55:13 +0000
In article <8vjj2e$kg4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stuart Fox wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
>>
>> I can - if you don't expect your OS to be up for more than 1 week at
>> a time, or so, then 50 days allows a huge margin.
>>
>Our mail server:
>
>05/10/2000 15:22:26 Shutdown Prior uptime:104d
>1h:31m:32s
>
>Shutdown for a hardware upgrade.
>
>Of course, that's using the right tool for the job.
>
That being the tool you've downloaded from microsoft
because the one provided was broken, I guess?
How did you know to get it?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 19:59:56 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ian Davey wrote:
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>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark) wrote:
>>Indeed - supports my view that limiting the uptime count to 49.7 days
>>provides an excellent excuse:
>>
>>' here're this months' uptime stats'
>>' ah - why are they all so small'
>>' oh- they're really long, it's just the counters rolled at 49 days'
>
>'but you said that last month when it was 3 days'
>
>ian.
>
> \ /
>(@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
>/(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
I can feel Dilbert breathing down on my keyboard...
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.os2.advocacy,alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Uptime -- where is NT?
Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2000 20:02:38 +0000
In article <8viod7$43v$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stuart Fox wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Stuart Fox wrote:
>
>> Face it. Microsoft NT (Neutered Technology) STILL is not ready
>> for prime time.
>>
>
>Well some of us are capable of coaxing extended uptimes out of our
>servers. Unix gurus would have us believe that it's rocket science,
>but really it's not that hard
No, it's very very easy using Linux. Very easy indeed. Rocket
science is a little harder, of course.
Want good uptime - try Debian GNU/Linux - it's very very stable.
Mark
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