Linux-Advocacy Digest #537, Volume #30 Wed, 29 Nov 00 19:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT registry... (was Re:
The Sixth Sense) (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
Re: The Sixth Sense (T. Max Devlin)
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Non Sense: people who are clueless about the WindowsNT registry...
(was Re: The Sixth Sense)
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:26:58 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Tim Smith in alt.destroy.microsoft on 28 Nov 2000 14:01:18 -0800;
>Before speculating about how the Registry might or might not be
>implemented, go to www.wotsit.org and poke around. They've got documents
>there describing the on disk format of the Registry, for both 9x and
>NT/2K. Knowing how the data is stored on disk should give valuable
>clues to how it is accessed.
I have no desire to spend time "poking around" on a site about file
formats to try to glean some shadow of information about the registry.
The issues discussed, either in this thread or on this site, for that
matter, have nothing to do with "how the data is stored on disk". But
thanks anyway.
Thanks for your time. Hope it helps.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:27:08 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said . in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 09:53:29 +1300;
>> > There's nothing I can do with Windows which cannot be done
>> > much better under Linux, as far as my professional and
>> > personal needs are concerned. On the contrary there's a lot
>> > of things which can be done only under Linux, and which
>> > can't be conceivably done under Windows.
>>
>> GUI?
>> Linux & Unix has the worst GUI I've ever had the displeasure to experiance.
>(IYO)
>> It drove me to the CLI.
>> There isn't one one windows manager that can compare with Windows' GUI or
>> Apple GUI.
>
>So you've tried them all then? When I first installed linux, I installed
>a window manager that behaved almost exactly like win95... I don't see
>how you can claim windows is superior when I can get the same damn thing
>under linux.
>
>
>> > Having some decades of experience in a number of different
>> > OS's I may therefore claim that I've never found a single
>> > instance where Windows didn't prove to be the worst possible
>> > OS, tied to pre-unix technology, badly implemented, with
>> > poor and unstable performance.
>>
>> You don't work with human users, then.
>
>I work with human users. What I find with human users is that they don't
>know jack shit about computers, and they don't want to. When I sit a
>real user in front of windows for the first time, all your 'windows is so
>much easier' talk appears as the total bullshit it is. These people are
>CLUELESS, and they seem to like it that way. They learn little routines
>that they need to go through to get their job done, and that's it. If
>the routine fails, they call tech support. After about three months,
>they start to learn that tech support is just going to get them to press
>ctrl-alt-delete or reboot the machine again, so they start doing that.
>After a while, that becomes their first solution for everything.
Christ, this is so accurate its pathetic!
>Users could just as easily be given linux workstations, under the
>provision that they were aptly configured beforehand, and they would
>learn how to do their work.
Quite so. You see now why I say that Linux systems are going to be _The
Christmas Gift_ in 2001? Just imagine how easy its going to be to
provide *whatever the hell the customer wants*, once the preload
contacts are broken and while people are still use to pathetic monopoly
crapware? If the OEMs can get their shit together adequately (there are
individuals paid to know about this kind of thing in every profitable
company) during the summer, after the Appellate Court has confirmed the
remedy....
Christ, I think I just wet my panties....
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:27:25 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Curtis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 18:10:23 -0500;
>T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
>
>| Sure, you can. You'd be wrong, but you can say it.
>
>You are wrong on that.
Now, doesn't is it seem just a *tad* stupid to snip the remarks we're
referring to in this exchange?
==============================
>> But since in many people's opinion W2K is not at all superior to OS/2,
==============================
Now, am I still wrong? Or are you presuming that every user of W2K
agrees with that it is superior to OS/2, presuming they used OS/2?
Using a "free market" argument that if they didn't think it was
superior, they wouldn't use it, possibly?
>| [...]There's little chance at all that it could be
>| considered superior to OS/2 by any one who knew what they were talking
>| about. Maybe MacOS.
>
>On technical merit I agree. In terms of usefulness to the user, no. OS/2
>is not very useful to most now.
Again, you confuse the application barrier with the usefulness of an OS,
in an discussion of OSes, rather than computers. This is not a
religious argument, easily convoluted by empty points, like whether a
lot of people already use the system. It is a realistic argument,
intended to discuss, at this point, technical merits of OSes. And other
than Win32 lock-in, Windows has nothing to show for it on technical
merits.
It occurs to me that your hopping back-and-forth between "not very
useful to most now" application barrier issues to technical merits of
the OS is not merely coincidence. But I don't mean to impugn your
integrity. Much.
[...]
>| And yet it escaped you, apparently, that Microsoft was engaging in
>| criminal activity in order to bring about this 'painful' situation.
>
>I'm more pissed at your attitude than your content.
This would make sense, given that you are still feeling defensive that
you've been duped for so long, and so well.
>| Stop getting pissed at me because you weren't aware of that.
>
>No, it hasn't escaped me that they were involved in *illegal*, not
>*criminal* activity at the time.
Pardon, but you seem to be trying to draw some sort of distinction, as
between "unlawful" versus "illegal" behavior. It turns out that both
are "criminal", when executed knowingly, so your point is moot. Wake up
and smell the Java: Microsoft ripped you (and me) off, on purpose.
[...]
>| Actually, I would say the only reason you ever used OS/2 is because you
>| weren't in the US.
>
>This is not true.
And you know this because....
>| It was much more widely supported outside the
>| states, back before MS re-applied themselves to preventing competition
>| in foreign markets.
>
>This is true but doesn't make your initial presumption true.
Nor does it make it false, oddly enough.
>| >The algorithm I use to chose my OS is:
>| >
>| >1) First the OS must be stable and reliable. [...]
>|
>| In your experience, or in reality.
>
>In my experience. In a setting where experience with a particular OS
>seems to be in conflict, I make my own decision based on my own
>experience.
"Reality" would be a better choice. If you limit your consideration to
your personal experience, you frankly are fucked. You haven't the time
or the knowledge to examine every alternative. Nobody does.
>| Because while your experience might
>| be that you had problems with OS/2,
>
>My problems with OS/2 were not unique to me.
AFAIK, your "problems" with OS/2 were that it was excluded from the
market by a monopolist engaging in illegal, unlawful activity.
>| and that you haven't with W2K,
>
>This absence of OS/2 problems when using Win2k is not unique to my
>experience either. Not by a long shot.
Well, maybe I'm wrong. Just what were these "OS/2 problems" you are
referring to?
[...remainder snipped, so I'll get an answer to my question, and
cause it's late...]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:12:48 +0200
"Giuliano Colla" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Ed Allen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:902ccm$jcm$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Said Curtis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000
22:55:44 -0500;
> > > >>"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> posted:
> > > >>|
> > > >>| How did MS controled the price of OS/2?
> > > >>
> > > >>IBM did an incredibly lousy job of marketing OS/2.
> > > >
> > > >Well, it sure is nice to know that you would have done so much
better.
> > > >Tell me, how would you have handled the inability to escape marketing
> > > >Windows, without increasing the price to the point where you lost
money?
> > > >
> > > I think I would like to take a stab at making that clearer:
> > >
> > > Microsoft controlled the price of OS/2 by making sure that they
got
> > > paid for a copy of Windows for evey machine shipped even if that
> > > machine only contained OS/2.
> > >
> > > Since selling OS/2 sent the cost of a Windows install to Redmond,
> > saved
> > > Microsft the cost of providing manuals and media, and required
> > > you to *pay* the OEM to install OS/2 instead, how could you make
money
> > ?
> > >
> > > This Microsoft scam was called "Per-Processing Licensing."
> > >
> > > Microsoft agreed to stop doing it, after they had killed off all
> > > their competitors, to avoid an antitrust conviction in 1994.
> > >
> > > Apparently Microsoft cannot avoid monopolising, it is so much more
> > > lucrative than competeing, so this time they have been convicted.
> >
> > If IBM would've really wanted to push OS/2, they would've not signed
those
> > contracts.
> > And market OS/2 as the OS of their computer.
> > It's called believing your product.
>
> Do not forget that those contract had been signed long before. Contracts
> between MS and IBM were signed when the president of IBM, subsequently
> removed, was a good old friend of the mother of a young computer hacker
> called Bill Gates.
Those were the per-proccessor fees for windows even if windows is not
installed?
Because those are what we are talking about.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:16:17 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903s99$5u56$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vvd42$5u7qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> In article <8vsa11$5grsc$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
> >wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> >Why would he need one?
> >> >> >You put it in the cdrom, go to DOS, and install from there.
> >> >>
> >> >> That's a pretty key point here, because the tale is about
> >> >> installing Win9x *after* the slackware was already on there,
> >> >> and a 2nd HD which didn't have it on before. So where was
> >> >> the DOS?
> >> >
> >> >On the win98 disk.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> >> But this whole situation is odd including
> >> >> >> (especially) the concept of expecting win98 to be able to do
> >anything
> >> >> >> helpful. The only thing realistic about the whole story is
having
> >> >> >> problems with a win98 install.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >No, win9x usually install without a hitch.
> >> >>
> >> >> Oh yea, that's right, it went wrong this time, but that's because
> >> >> the person installing it was an idiot - sorry, I forgot that
> >> >> bit. Or was it that the install CD from Microsoft was damaged?
> >> >> Or was it both?
> >> >
> >> >No, because the disk (the media itself) was bad.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Which was the fault of the unfortunate person who'd bought, it,
> >> you said, didn't you?
> >
> >Yes, he didn't handle the disk properly, and as a result, the disk has
been
> >scratched.
> >
> >
> >
>
> You said he'd used a screwdriver on it. I didn't believe that then,
> and I don't believe it now, because I can't see why anyone would.
I was giving an *example*.
I didn't say that he used a screwdriver on it, I said he didn't handle it
properly.
Using a screw driver on it wouldn't be mishandling it, it would be
mutilating it.
I'm talking about the scratches that you can see on a not-well-taken-care-of
CD, which can cause some data on it to be unreadable
Here is what I said: "Take a CD, take a screwdriver, scratch the CD, try to
read the CD in a CD-Rom. That is (to a lesser degree) happens to CD which
are improperly handled."
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:16:47 +0200
"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <903s9a$5u56$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> In article <8vvd44$5u7qu$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien
wrote:
> >> >
> >> >"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis
wrote:
> >> >> >mark wrote...
> >> >> >> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Curtis
> >wrote:
> >> >> >> >mark wrote...
> >> >> >> >> >No, the user is an idiot.
> >> >> >> >> >An installer is an "it", no a "he"
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Er, the user is an idiot because microsoft's CD was broken?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Wow I love windows people.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >You're doing the same crap with Ayende I see.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Que? I'm still waiting to see this list of apps
> >> >> >> which run on all those different things which
> >> >> >> you claimed.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >Let's leave that to the other thread which is tiresome as it is
> >already
> >> >> >is. <mutter> This one is tiresome as well </mutter>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> If the user didn't know what to do when faced with a broken
> >> >> >> Microsoft install CD (which apparently had _only one_ file
> >> >> >> broken - something very rare indeed), then they need help
> >> >> >> and support not calling an idiot by you or by Ayende.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >A solution was offered to him. Ayende told him what could be wrong
and
> >> >> >how to go about fixing it assuming it was just one file that was
> >> >> >corrupted. A single file corruption is a reasonable assumption
> >> >> >considering the OS installed and ran just fine otherwise. He
refused
> >to
> >> >> >attempt this and tried installing again as if the problem would
> >magically
> >> >> >go away on the *third* attempt.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, a single file corruption on a CD is amazingly unlikely.
> >> >>
> >> >> Since this image came from Microsoft, there would be a batch of
> >> >> these made, 10,000s or so, so there would be either a history,
> >> >> or the whole batch would have been withdrawn (unless there's
> >> >> no QA at all on this, but I don't think even Microsoft would
> >> >> be that foolish).
> >> >
> >> >Burn 1000 cds.
> >> >Now take one and scratch it.
> >> >Please explain me how a scratch on one CD render all CDs that were
burned
> >> >unusable.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> One scratch will damage multiple files, not one file. You are bull-
> >> sh*tting and don't know much about CDs either.
> >
> >There might've been more files curropted, I've only noticed this one and
> >didn't bother to check for more.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> Ah, how the story changes. Before you were quite certain that it
> was only one file.
Only one file that *cared* about.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:27:53 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Curtis in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 17:29:30 -0500;
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) posted:
>
>| >The people benefit, not the software developer who's sole reason for
>| >developing the software is to make some money so that he can put food on
>| >the table and buy his home.
>| >
>|
>| Well again. Feed those kids from the maintenance contract.
>| The day's of SELLING CD's aren't over anyway. Look at
>| RedHat and Suse and the others. It's up to $65 a box now.
>
>They aren't profiting doing this.
Please provide:
A) some reason to believe this is true, that they don't make a profit on
selling for $65 what costs them less to produce.
B) some reason to believe it matters to their commercial success whether
they make a profit on the boxed sets of the product they make money
selling support for.
>Nope. You generally get what you pay for unless who you purchase from is
>a monopoly. This will pan out when Linux stops playing catch up and the
>OSS community really has to start innovating. This is a general
>statement in refute to the mantra that OSS is going to take over the
>world. I'm not saying that open source efforts have not and will not
>continue to be innovative in some areas.
Boy, you are an odd poster, aren't you? You seem to be arguing that OSS
is bad, in principle, but that the existence of a monopoly is sortof
neutral. Is that it?
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:28:20 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said . in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 29 Nov 2000 10:33:31 +1300;
>> So if I buy an AIX from IBM, I won't get OS?
>
>AIX is the OS, but anyway, if you decided to purchase AIX, there is
>nothing illegal about that. It should be illegal for IBM to provide you
>with a machine and tell you you MUST run AIX on it though.
>
>"You must buy the latest version of AIX, or you can't have the machine"
>should also be illegal.
A beautiful opportunity to make a point:
It should only be illegal to the degree which you want it, or you can't
have it.
Consider:
IBM has a worthwhile (as opposed to "facially plausible") reason to
support only their newest hardware systems with their newest OS release,
and screw anyone who doesn't want to keep up.
IBM most probably (I'm guessing, and I'm still sure I'm right, that's
the beauty of it) sells their newest hardware with a menu of versions of
the OS, if you need it. All the Unix vendors I've ever dealt with (I've
dealt with AIX, but not in this way) provided the last two or three
minor revs, and usually their latest major rev, as alternatives, should
you have a reason to need them. Of course, it was assumed that support
for these wouldn't last as long as support for the most recent rev, but
this is commerce, not metaphysics. Intentional ignorance is not a good
business posture.
>I can't help but notice that a lot of places wanted to charge me for
>Win9x/NT even when I asked for it to not be included... Our supplier
>doesn't even have an option on their website for "No operating system".
>We have to select one and put a note on the order and manually
>recalculate the price.
If you publish those prices, you may well be causing some sort of
contract violation for someone. Please, by all means, post them.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:28:58 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said PLZI in alt.destroy.microsoft on Tue, 28 Nov 2000 19:29:20 GMT;
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said PLZI in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 27 Nov 2000 22:40:04 GMT;
>> >
>> >I do not know anything about US legal system - so I might say I'm the most
>> >impartial person in the world.
>>
>> I don't know anything about calculus - so I might say I'm the greatest
>> nuclear physicist in the world.
>
>Bad analogy error. Bring one of those federal judges here in Finland, and
>let's see what he can do or say or rule.
About the law, or about what is objective?
>Bring one physicist, and for some,
>unknown reason, I tend to believe what he has to say.
If you can understand it. There are quite a number of great physicists
in Finland, I know. But not everyone in Finland speaks English, you
see.
>US Legal system is for
>US. US laws are for US, albeit the US government likes to play tha game
>called "world police". Calculus does not care about countries, flags or
>borders.
Are you trying to say that Finland has no anti-trust law, or merely that
you don't understand anti-trust law at all?
>> >Of course it is, but not about the MS being a monopoly or not. As it says. It
>> >is a answer to question: "tea or coffee?" - "neither, thanks." Now which one
>> > I do like more, tea or coffee?
>>
>> Which do you prefer, obeying the law or breaking the law?
>
>Now that wouldn't be the US Law you're referring to? Sorry, I'm Finnish.
Well, Finnish law, then. Are you going to answer, or not?
>> "Neither,
>> thanks." Which unfortunately means that it wouldn't bother you at all
>> to break the law, thus answering the question.
>
>I really could not be less interested in the laws of US. I'm ready to obey
>the local laws.
And so monopolization is OK in Finland? Somehow I doubt that, as every
member of the EU, and *every* other "first world" country, has
anti-trust laws.
>> Tea or coffee, indeed.
>
>Monopoly or not a monopoly. That is what we call "freedom of choice".
Well, the choice of "monopoly or not a monopoly" is not what we call
"freedom of choice", and in many ways we invented 'freedom of choice'.
>I could
>of course be in great trouble, should I ignore the law. But that is a choice
>as well. Your analogy, as usual, is in error. From my point of view, the US
>government has ruled in MS case. I do not live under the US govern. So this
>has absolutely *nothing* to do with me.
Which is to say, I must presume, that you don't use Windows?
>You people sue each other for too hot
>coffee or whatever you like.
Ouch.
>You also let killers walk free, because they
>have the money to twist the legal system for their needs. Come on, tell me
>that the US legal system is the best in the world and impartial as hell. I am
>*this* close believing you.
It is the best in the world, and as impartial as it can practically be.
Now how close are you?
[...]
>> >You still did not answer in any way to my list about the Things Needed To Be
>> >Done. No, you are not talking about the technical merits, sorry.
>>
>> Things Needed To Be Done:
>>
>> 1) Stop monopolizing
>> 2) Compete
>> 3) Attempt to remain profitable, modifying product as necessary
>>
>> Instant technical merits.
>
>Care to write a RFC about that? Submit it to the IETF.
Shit. I think I will. Good idea. :-D
[...]
>> Nice passive-aggressive retort. Grow up.
>
>Mmm, somehow this does not apply to you? And i was only rephrasing.
No, it doesn't apply to me. I'm not passive-aggressive; I enjoy
confrontation too much. Your "rephrasing" was actually
"misrepresenting". Its a subtle point.
[...]
>> Your list is pointless carping about details and acronyms. What makes
>> you think that any and all of this couldn't easily be done on any other
>> system? Christ, haven't you ever heard of Java? You're just giving
>> Microsoft credit for your ability to use computers, entirely.
>
>So, you do not have the skills or information necessary to even understand
>what I outlined in that list?
No, I understand the bulk of it, what is actually applicable. Whether I
can match you acronym for acronym is a different issue. I'm not an
MSdroid, so I don't even *care* about half the stuff you were carping
about.
>You should have said so in the first place.
>"Java"? What has one programming language has to do with anything I described
>in that list?
Nothing in that list had anything to do with anything else you described
in that list. It was a "birth to death life-cycle" of some unspecified
'data' which you had to variously deal with in a half dozen ways in
order to shepherd it through the convoluted system of modern computing
known as "MS crapware". There wasn't anything worth *considering* in
that list, let alone discussing. As for understanding it, I haven't
that much time to waste.
>Any item on that list can be done with java (or the J++
>variety). Or visual basic. Or cobolscript. Or C. What the hell the
>syntactical sugar of any given language has to do with the platform-specific
>or inter-platform operations?
Wait a second.... Didn't you just ask me how to do those things on
other platforms? Apparently, you're already aware of the fact that you
can. Were you trying to give me a quiz? I'll answer any question you
have, son, but I don't do quizzes.
>You could have just told me, that you do not even know what we are talking
>about. Would have made things whole lotta easier.
You should have told me you were wasting my time. But, then, I already
kind of knew that. If I didn't have time to waste, I wouldn't post to
adm. Nothing I say is going to make February come any quicker.
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Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 05:29:49 -0500
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>> For that matter, why do people buy "toy" lawn mowers when perfectly good
>> tractor size models are available? (Hint: because the former type is
>> cheaper and more appropriate for small lawns.)
>
>That's your idea of a hint? =)
LOL.
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