Linux-Advocacy Digest #545, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 00:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is awful ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Is design really that overrated? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:05:52 -0500
the_blur wrote:
>
> So why exactly do WE need to hear about this?
>
> If you're not willing to make things better, don't bitch. You didn't pay for
> the OS. And certainly no one made you buy it. If you're not contributing
> anything to Linux, it doesn't need you.
>
> I installed the same version of Mandrake you did. I couldn't figure out how
> to set up a network card (I'm a TOTAL newbie). I booted up windows, logged
> on to #linuxnewbies and someone there was nice enough to tell me what to do.
> I had an answer from a Linux user (who seemed very knowledgeable) in less
> than an hour.
>
> If you want help, it's there. You just have to look.
This is the first sensible thing I've seen you write.
Keep it up.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:10:35 -0500
Frank Van Damme wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Let's see... the splash screen goes up for about 0.5 seconds during the
>
> 3 secs at least
Terrors!
>
> > reboot process...and is NEVER SEEN AGAIN FOR MONTHS AND MONTHS AND
> > MONTHS.
>
> Most regular users use their computer for just a few hours. some 15
> minutes, just for checking their mail. Having a linux box doesn't mean
> you gotta keep it up for weeks.
Actually, Linux / Unix systems are DESIGNED to be up 24-hours/day.
Housekeeping operations are automatically done by the cron deamon
as specified in /usr/spool/cron/crontabs/root.
If the machine is not on at the specified time, then those
tasks don't get done.
By the way...power-cycling computer equipment is damaging to it
in the long run. All the computers in my house stay powered up
24-hours/day, (except for the LoseDOS box, which occassionaly
gets its kernal so badly corrupted that the stupid thing won't
even respond to a reset...damned piece of shit).
>
> > Good god, what a pathetic thing to concentrate on.
>
> I get depressed by sucky splash screens
Get a life.
> If I show Linux to someone, I want to IMPRESS people. Grey isn't
> impressive, it's depressive.
Do you judge an automobile by what color filter paper is used
in the oil filter?
>
> Best wishes
> --
> Never underestimate the power of Linux-Mandrake
> 7.2 on an AMD K7 800 / 128.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:12:19 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> Or the New Zealand Version: Windows Haka
Alla versions ofa Windows is a Hacka...
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> >
> >> Is Microsoft going to release a Scottish version, Windows Bagpipes :)
> >
> >
> > Bagpiper.
> >
> >
> >> kiwiunixman
> >>
> >> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >>
> >>> I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
> >>> For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new OS
> >>> (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft, destined to
> >>> finally eliminated the 9x line.
> >>>
> >>> Here is my biased review.
> >>> I'm going to limit myself to comments about the new GUI and features of the
> >>> OS, as this a Beta1, it's not yet appropriate to talk about performace and
> >>> stability yet.
> >>>
> >>> Starting with the install, you stick the cd in the drive, set the BIOS to
> >>> boot from the CD, and you are done.
> >>> Strangely enough, I have the system up and running without returning to the
> >>> BIOS to change the settings, and it's still working.
> >>>
> >>> The installation itself is pretty similar to Windows 2000, blue screen in
> >>> text mode, and afterward the familiar wizard style.
> >>> The main difference is that it's now uses the "simpler start menu" as a
> >>> background.
> >>> Installation took little longer than an hour, most of the time to format a
> >>> NTFS HD.
> >>> After the text mode, which require some little knowledge in the computer's
> >>> HD, the installer required very little input from the user, and did all the
> >>> configuration on its on.
> >>> The computer is win2k HCLed, btw.
> >>>
> >>> As a note:
> >>> For some reason, it thinks that I've multiply monitors, likely because I've
> >>> a TV-Out card. This doesn't seem to cause any problems whatsoever, so I
> >>> don't think I would bother to fiddle with it in the near future.
> >>>
> >>> The new startup screen is cool, but I like the win2k one better, the win2k
> >>> one provide some (limited, but real) information on how much progress the OS
> >>> had in loading itself.
> >>> Whistler's startup screen provide no such information, in that, it's very
> >>> much like the win9x startup screens.
> >>>
> >>> The system finished loading, and you get a pretty wizard like interface
> >>> which explained you how to use the computer (can't report much about this, I
> >>> quited this part when it started explaining how to you the mouse.), ask you
> >>> whatever you want to register at Microsoft.com, and help you setup a dial up
> >>> account.
> >>> Then you create users, You can create up to six users in this screen.
> >>> I don't like this way very much, all the accounts you create this way are
> >>> admins, with no passwords set on them, and you get *no* warning about this.
> >>> The user interface itself, for that matter, isn't very good comparing to NT
> >>> or 2000.
> >>> You can enter a user's name, and a picture, if you like, but that is about
> >>> it.
> >>> Accounts are created without passwords by default, another thing I don't
> >>> like.
> >>> And when you login, all the accounts on the computer are presented to you,
> >>> which is another mistake.
> >>>
> >>> I can see the reasons behind this, of course, as the whistler I'm using is
> >>> supposed to go to home users, where you rarely need such security measures,
> >>> and there are probably ways to fix those things, which I'm currently
> >>> clueless about.
> >>> The biggest problem I've with this (all accounts being displayed) can
> >>> apperantly turned off quite easily (I've not tested it yet, though)
> >>>
> >>> Strangely enough, by default, the desktop don't display the "My Computer"
> >>> and "My Documents" icon folders.
> >>> With those icons being probably the most important in handling windows, I'm
> >>> quite sure it's a bug.
> >>> Another bug I found is in the control panel>mouse>pointer options, where the
> >>> "Show location" option doesn't warp, so the "y." (at least I assume that it
> >>> what it's supposed to be) cannot be seen.
> >>>
> >>> The icons problem was fixed by right clicking the desktop, active
> >>> desktop>customise my desktop, btw.
> >>> I also recommend to use the "Proffessional" image as background to the
> >>> desktop, totally cool.
> >>>
> >>> The entire GUI is cool, for that matter.
> >>> It feel like a game or a flash applet.
> >>> The login screen, for example, is in pastel colors, and you've a list of
> >>> users, with pictures near each name, and when your mouse is over a username,
> >>> all the other usernames fade out.
> >>> If you click a username, and it has no password, it moved to the center of
> >>> the upper half of the screen, and it would tell you what it's doing (3 - 4
> >>> seconds process) while it loads your settings.
> >>> If it has a password, it opens (open like a drawer, really cool) a box that
> >>> ask you to enter the password.
> >>> On NT & 2000, you needed a *long* password to feel the password box, in
> >>> whistler, it takes very few characters for the password box to be full on
> >>> the black circles, so you've no indication whatever you are still typing.
> >>> It makes sense, I assume, as it obscure password length to onlookers, and
> >>> it's no worse than unix no showing what you type at all.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I like the "simpler start menu", for now, at least.
> >>> It would take some getting used to, I suppose. But I suspect it can also
> >>> drive a person crazy, very easily. One thing that I already find annoying in
> >>> this is that you can't logoff without using the mouse.
> >>> And logging off is something that I think that I'll have to do quite often
> >>> in Whistler, at least in the first period.
> >>> You can revert back to the normal windows way, of course.
> >>>
> >>> Alt+Ctrl+Delete behave quite unlike what you expect.
> >>> In 9x, it brings you a list of running application, which allows you
> >>> (hopefully) to close them.
> >>> In NT/2000, it brings a list of options, which I find more practical than
> >>> the 9x one.
> >>> In whistler, you get "Task Manager", which NT/2000 users should be familiar
> >>> with.
> >>> You can do everything you used to be abled to do with the NT ctrl+alt+del,
> >>> except change your password, which must be done throught the user settings
> >>> in the control panel.
> >>>
> >>> One of the coolest features in in Whistler is the ability to logoff and
> >>> leave all your current applications working.
> >>> User A log on, do some work, and has to go. He log off, and go away for some
> >>> time. User B comes along, log on, do his stuff until he is done, and then he
> >>> log off.
> >>> User A return, he log on, all his applications are intact, for those of you
> >>> who are familiar with NT/2000, it's similar to computer lock.
> >>> Infact, in Whistler, Locking the computer is very similar to Switch user.
> >>> One thing, though, if you play a cd and lock the computer, and log as
> >>> another user, you still hear the cd. I've to test it for other sound
> >>> programs, but I believe it's a CD related issue.
> >>> You can also log off completely, thus releasing the resources that you took.
> >>>
> >>> Those of you who are familiar with linux, it's similar to Alt+F#, only in
> >>> GUI.
> >>> It's a little more cumbersome to move between users, because you has to
> >>> logon to do so, but it's working.
> >>> Unfortantely, there are no virutal desktops, such as there is in Gnome &
> >>> KDe, which can be very useful.
> >>> There is something which is called "Clean up notification area" which may
> >>> provide similar ability. (The main reason for virtual desktop is to keep the
> >>> taskbar or whatever you call it from cluttering, this should solve this,
> >>> apperantly.)
> >>>
> >>> Whistler currently comes with IE & OE 5.6, which doesn't seem to offer any
> >>> big improvement over IE 5.5, at least on the surface.
> >>>
> >>> To my joy, the wide languague support from 2000 remained on Whistler. (Which
> >>> wasn't the case on ME, which really pissed me off)
> >>> Trying to change different settings proved quite easy, although tooltips are
> >>> too widely used, IMHO. But I can understand why they are neccesary, and they
> >>> proved to be handy.
> >>> Another problem is in the task bar, in normal winodws mode, the application
> >>> on focus has its tab in the spacebar pressed, which make it easy to detect
> >>> it.
> >>> On Whistler (professional skin), the tabs on the applications are
> >>> highlighted, which takes getting used to. In the meantime, I get a lot of
> >>> windows minimized when I don't want them to because of this.
> >>> It's also hard to tell where one application tab is ending, and where
> >>> another begin.
> >>> And the scroll bars aren't a great idea either, white on pale gray is nice
> >>> if you bother to actually *look* at it, but who looks at a scroll bar
> >>> anyway? You want something that is easy for the eye to see.
> >>> I like the skinning idea, but at the moment, I only have two (pro &
> >>> classic), anybody knows whatever there are more out there?
> >>>
> >>> The Explorer has been changed quite dramatically. Now you can call it
> >>> pretty.
> >>> And the help system has been given a face lift as well. The Win95 help got
> >>> the "Interface Hall Of Shame" award, I think that whistler's help system is
> >>> at least a runner up for "Interface Hall of Face" award.
> >>> The entire GUI is very good, although I get a chuckle out of "Comments?" on
> >>> top of everything.
> >>> I wouldn't call Windows9x/NT pretty.
> >>> Useful, yes, and the 2000 GUI is much nicer then those before it, but
> >>> Whistler *is* pretty.
> >>>
> >>> From the overall easiness of working with the system, I've to say that MS
> >>> took a long hard look at the iMac success, which was largely based on its
> >>> look and "just plug it in" slogan.
> >>> And decided that they can do it better.
> >>>
> >>> I would refrain from commenting whatever they actually succeeded in that,
> >>> because it's still a beta, and because I don't have that much experiance on
> >>> Macs.
> >>> And practically none at all on an iMac or an iBook.
> >>>
> >>> However, in its current state, I have to say that Whistler is pretty awesome
> >>> UI-wise. I'll have to study it much more to find out if it can serve as more
> >>> than a toy.
> >>> Right now, I would rather use the beta than any win9x, including win98se.
> >>> It's based on NT kernel, which mean it *can't* be as bad as the 9x line.
> >>> At the very least, it's going to be a cool workstation.
> >>>
> >>> For now, I think that there is a good chance that Whistler will be as good
> >>> from win2k as win2k was from NT.
> >>>
> >>>
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:12:17 GMT
"PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:3J6V5.132$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > "PLZI" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > Now, very slowly, please explain to me, what is MS supposed to do with
NT
> > > group information? Provide a NT Group support for all *nix platforms?
> >
> > When did documenting your protocol without NDA restrictions become
> > 'support'? The other platforms will take care of themselves, given
> > the opportunity.
>
> NT Groups are not a part of the protocol. They are part of a service,
which
> USES the protocol. The service is NOT required to actually use the
protocol.
Perhaps in your universe you use file sharing protocols without the
corresponding authentication and authorization being done but that
is not the way it works here. Would you use an MS server if they
omitted handling of these steps in their servers too? If not, then
don't claim it isn't necessary for a competing server to do likewise.
> > Yes, Microsoft made millions on upgrade licenses simply because they
> > arranged to have Office97 included or as a cheap extra with new PC's
> > and immediately everyone else in the office could no longer read the
> > boss's email until they got the upgrade themselves. Getting client
> > software on every desktop that will not interoperate completely with
> > any other vendor's server, and charging client license fees for that
> > server even if you only authenticate against it is another stab at the
> > same thing.
>
> You are talking about some obscure issue of sending and receiving
documents
> as attachments. And this somehow violates the SMTP protocol standard?
Like,
> how? Please understand, these are two separate issues.
Actually I'm talking about the way Microsoft products abuse their customers
and it is all the same issue when they make claims of interoperability
and observing standards but in fact make sure that competitive products
will not interoperate usefully.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 23:12:46 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:8vthhu$5kru8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Donn Miller" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > [trimmed comp.sys.mac.advocacy]
> > >
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I've finally gotten whistler (pro, 2296, beta 1), and I'm *liking* it.
> > > > For those of you who doesn't know what this is, whistler is an the new
> > OS
> > > > (the one that will inherit both win2k & win ME) from Microsoft,
> destined
> > to
> > > > finally eliminated the 9x line.
> > >
> > > OK, fair enough. It sounds pretty nice, esp. the behavior you've
> > > described when ctrl+alt+delete is pressed. IMO, UI only matters to end
> > > users, but I guess that's what Microsoft's aim is: ease of use, etc.
> > > You forgot to mention how well it runs your existing Win 95/NT 4.0/Win
> > > 2000 apps. Also, how well does it run Win 3.1 apps? Can you format a
> > > floppy and do anything else while the floppy is formatting? Just
> > > kidding.
> >
> > My Whistler is a workstation version, so it would be optimised to the
> user.
> >
> > I didn't mentioned it because I didn't have the time to test it.
> > My dialer, which is a known trouble maker, is working, I'm now going
> through
> > the phase of testing the applicaiton support.
> > I can format a floppy and work while it's formatting, (although I don't
> deal
> > with floppies this often)
>
> Does print spooling bog the system down as noticably as in NT?
Practically invisible.
>
> <snip>
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> A Computer Programmer who wishes he'd chosen another vocation.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:15:32 GMT
How come there is always a small portion of any OS population that
always experiences problems when installing an OS? When I upgraded from
Windows 2000 Pro to SuSE Linux Professional, I completely wiped my HDD
using Seagate Ontrack (completely wipe's all information off the disk),
installed SuSE Linux Professional 7.0 without any problems, like the
majority of users. Fortunately, most Linux converts realise that you,
skully1900, are in the minority, and most users get their Lintel box up
and running with out any hassle. The computer I use has a Pentium III
550 Processor (on a Intel BX motherboard), SB Soundblaster Live, 10gig
HDD, Zip100 IDE ATAPI Drive, 1.44 FDD, 40x CD-ROM, TNT2 32MB Graphics
Card and an External SwannSmart 56K V.90 Modem. Followed the standard
installation, no problems.
Just as a last note, I saw a computer being sold, and one of the
downgrades, along with no modem, was, no OS (Windows 98) installed....I
would actually consider it an upgrade!
kiwiunixman
<DELETED STORY AS IT REACHES TEN OUT OF TEN ON THE BULLSHITOMETER>
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 04:21:57 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> So, MS wanted to be sure that this would be as unix unfriendly as
> >> possible then? Looks like monopoly action to me.
> >
> >Now, very slowly, please explain to me, what is MS supposed to do with NT
> >group information? Provide a NT Group support for all *nix platforms?
>
> Well, they could have made getting the group information a separate
> request. That way, an NT server could provide that, while an existing
> Unix server could still authenticate users. This method would avoid
> the need to either replace existing Kerberos servers or have separate
> authentication for NT and Unix. It would have taken a few milliseconds
> longer to log in though.
Of course it would also mean that you didn't have to pay client licenses
for all your existing kerberos clients like you will if you are forced to
consolidate everything under Win2k domain/active directory control
to make a few parts work right.
> I don't know that much about Kerberos, but my meager understanding is
> that supporting this kind of thing is the purpose of ticket-granting
> tickets. User authenticates and gets a ticket, which he then uses to
> obtain other services. Joining an NT domain and getting group rights
> can be viewed as one of those other services.
>
> Was that slow enough for you?
How does it make Microsoft rich at our expense that way?
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:26:04 +1300
What I don't understand is the big hype surrounding AOL? From what I
have seen, it is like an over-hyped Compuserve. I use Clearnet (New
Zealand (owned by British Telecom)), and I don't have to worry about all
the shit like "intergrated browsers, "special dialers" and so-called
enhance user experience. From what I have read by users of AOL in
Aussie, it is really shit in all aspects.
kiwiunixman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> On Wed, 29 Nov 2000 17:09:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Hi Claire!
>>
>> Using the new AOL promo CD you got with the Sunday newspaper?
>
>
>
> It may be the "only" thing the Penguinista's and me I agree on, but I
> would NEVER infect any of my systems with the AOL virus.
>
> Sorry, but it ain't me.
>
> claire
>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 17:37:03 +1300
1. Comparison: Windows is like a Concord, is has been riding high for a
long time then it will crash and burn in a big heap as it's viability is
reduced by better, more well designed aircrafts.
2. Comparison: I see Microsoft like Boeing, it has been the major
producer of large, commercial airliners, Linux is like the Airbus,
although in the past, only a small number of airlines bought their
aircrafts, however, they have gained some very lucrative contracts with
airlines such as Qantus recently.
kiwiunixman
Bennetts family wrote:
> "Skully1900" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> Comparing Linux to Windows 2000 is like comparing the Space Shuttle to a
>
> bottle
>
>> rocket and Linux isn't the Space Shuttle.
>
>
> I totally disagree with your analogy comparing Linux to a bottle rocket.
> Maybe a Delta II would be more appropriate - not particularly large, but
> reliable, and can do big things, like send microwave sized robotic vehicles
> to Mars, and send probes out much further than Pluto's orbit (and still
> going!).
>
> --Chris
>
>
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