Linux-Advocacy Digest #568, Volume #30 Thu, 30 Nov 00 16:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler review. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Don't believe the hype (SwifT -)
Don't believe this Troll. (Spicerun)
Re: Linux is awful (David M. Butler)
Re: Whistler review. (Matthew Soltysiak)
Re: Netscape review. (Matthew Soltysiak)
Re: Linux is awful (kiwiunixman)
Special Offer to Linux Users ("Jason Zimmerman")
Re: Windows SUX (B'ichela)
Re: Linux is awful (Mig)
Re: Don't believe the hype (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux is awful (Mig)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (mark)
Re: Is design really that overrated? (mark)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (mark)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (mark)
Re: Of course, there is a down side... (mark)
Re: The Sixth Sense (mark)
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (mark)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 14:28:19 -0500
Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Leonardo wrote:
> >
> > > "Spicerun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Conrad Rutherford wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > how would you know?
> > > >
> > > > I've been there!
> > > >
> > > > > That's like saying you run Linux cause it kicks DOS 6.22's ass.
> > > >
> > > > I run Linux because it kicks MSDOS3.x, MSDOS4.x, MSDOS5.x, MSDOS6.x,
> > > > MSDOS7.x, Win9x, WinME, WinNT, and Win2K's ass (all of which I've
> tried at
> > > > one time or another....and having to use Win2k here at work -- which
> you
> > > > would have known if you had read one of my replies elsewhere in this
> > > thread.
> > > > But then again, asking a Winvocate Troll to Read before Posting is
> futile.
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Then why don't you tell your boss that You Will Never Use Windows Again.
> >
> > As a matter of fact, I did. That's why I'm now setting up computers that
> we're
> > going to use to completely replace Windows.
>
> I don't believe you - that is unless you boss is less interested in
And for centuries, people *BELIEVED* the earth to be flat.
So, like, what's your point?
> productivity and interoperability and profit then he is using the latest
> trendy anti-ms warez.
>
> >
> > > Looser, HAH
> >
> > Obviously, speaking for yourself. I've been winning on Linux here.
>
> Winning what? Linux and making money are words that never appear in the same
> sentence unless it's something like "Linux and making money are words that
> never appear in the same sentence"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 01:35:41 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chad Myers in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 30 Nov 2000 13:59:47
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <903l4f$57ru$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>> >
>> >"Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:Vn%U5.25827$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >>
>> >> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> news:900dr0$5pbqk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Corneil du Plessis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >> > news:900d6e$kaq$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >> > > Only Microsoft expects their customers to upgrade everything when they
>> >> > make
>> >> > > a change.
>> >> >
>> >> > I still have a win95 running word 6 on a 486 & 12MB
>> >> > It's being used daily.
>> >>
>> >> Word 6? Hmm, hardly the first version of that product. Did you come
>> >> to the party late or are you just conveniently forgetting the cycle
>> >through
>> >> the earlier versions - and the fact that for quite some time after Word97
>> >> came out and was shipped bundled with a lot of new machines you had
>> >> no way to access documents in that format?
>> >
>> >To Word, yes.
>> >I used a dos based Word Proccessor call Einstien until almost 1996.
>> >It loaded of a 5-something inch floppy and had a white on blue color that
>> >from took me a while to shake of in regard to word proccessor (my first
>> >reaction to my first BSOD was "Who loaded Einstien?")
>> >I've been loyal user to this application (and this version, for that matter)
>> >for almost 6 years.
>> >
>> >About the documents, I can read documents made in office 97 or 2000 with
>> >Word 6.
>> >File > Save As > Word 6.0
>>
>> That conversion takes forever and doesn't properly convert everythingl
>> as anyone who's been unfortunate enough to have this microsoft overt
>> 'upgrade or else' conversion filter imposed on them by the monopoly
>> we so love to suffer from.
>
>I believe this was a problem in the initial release of Office97. In certain
>circumstances, the down-level conversion wouldn't convert correctly.
>
>More recent service releases for Office97 have fixed this.
>
>Office2000 does not have this problem.
>
>Please get your facts straight before bashing MS and embarassing yourself.
Guffaw.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: SwifT - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:33:10 +0100
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have now used Linux for 6 months (Redhat 6.0)
Me too.
> According to the press its a stable operating system - YOU MUST BE
> JOKING.
No they're not.
> yp / ldap (take your pick - you will end up trying both!) just don't
> work.
For both there are packages available (www.redhat.com/download). You've
been working with corrupt versions. Also, the RH6.0 is not that good, 6.2
is better. Way better.
> Gnome leaks and locks up frequently, machines reboot and run out of
> memory.
KDE works great. Gnome locks up about once in a month, and can be killed
without any furthermore problems.
Memory-leaks are only "available" when using Netscape... otherwise my PC
has no problems with it's memory... better, I'm not going to buy another
64 megs (I have 64 meg SDRAM) since Linux runs just great with it. I am in
no need of more.
> In short most of the software may be free but it certainly isn't
> finished.
Depends on what you want.
> If you value your time then Linux is not free.
> Oh yes and I haven't even touched on gdb (use Visual Studio then try
> gdb ; its like the dark ages - again IT DOES NOT WORK).
> I would have loved to have found linux was stable and usable however
> the truth is it lacks quality.
I think you are trolling...
--
SwifT
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Don't believe this Troll.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:16:26 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have now used Linux for 6 months (Redhat 6.0)
>
> According to the press its a stable operating system - YOU MUST BE
> JOKING.
>
> yp / ldap (take your pick - you will end up trying both!) just don't
> work.
>
> Gnome leaks and locks up frequently, machines reboot and run out of
> memory.
>
> In short most of the software may be free but it certainly isn't
> finished.
>
> If you value your time then Linux is not free.
>
> Oh yes and I haven't even touched on gdb (use Visual Studio then try
> gdb ; its like the dark ages - again IT DOES NOT WORK).
>
> I would have loved to have found linux was stable and usable however
> the truth is it lacks quality.
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: David M. Butler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:12:40 -0500
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> Frankly, I think that setuping linux is the easiest part of the
> installation.
> About the only thing that is hard in it is the repartitioning part.
> And using it for normal tasks like browsing and email and word processing
> is very simple as well.
> The problem start when you try to go a little beyond this.
> Due to a very steep learning curve, most users will simply give it up,
> saying it's too hard, and will never get their computer to its full
> potential.
Well, the initial software installation can be pretty painless using
installers such as Mandrake's. The problem comes in when there is
unsupported (or mostly unsupported) hardware in the computer. The average
user doesn't look at all the innards of a computer to make sure it's all
compatible... and the average user doesn't generally know how to get a
somewhat-unsupported device to work nicely, even if it is possible. In a
preconfigured box, the hardware would obviously be selected based on
compatibility (and low cost for most dealers). Readily available
preconfigured boxes would simplify the process for end users that just want
a working computer... Why they decide Microsoft or Linux (or other) would
be a matter of preference, and not because MS is ready to go and Linux
involves partitioning and setup and hardware configging, etc.
I have a good test subject here for this stuff. She doesn't want to know
anything about how a computer is setup, and hated Linux before I had KDE
2.0 and nice friendly things for her... when I grabbed that and started
using it, and setup an account for her to use, she loved it. That's partly
why I tend to believe that setup (as easy as it may be for ANY system) is a
turn-off, and people tend to gravitate towards what is ready to use.
D. Butler
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From: Matthew Soltysiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Whistler review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:17:57 GMT
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Whatever school you're studying at....I'd transfer out of, if I were you.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Oh it's the smart pretender again.. If i were you, I'd take more time and stop
>being a
> > pretender. Ok?
>
> Do pretenders make $75/hour (including travel time) + travel expenses?
Nope. Intelligent people make that money, especially with DSS and EchoStar, not
including
travel. Pretenders usually become slaves. Any other questions?
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> ICQ # 3056642
>
--
Matthew Soltysiak
Comp Sci/Soft Eng
ICQ: 3063118
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From: Matthew Soltysiak <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:33:00 GMT
Spicerun wrote:
> Matthew Soltysiak wrote:
>
> > spicerun wrote:
> >
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > >
> > > > Well, I've tried netscape. (6, windows version. On Whistler 2296 machine)
> > > > Just as a note, Whistler being a beta release of windows might skew the
> > > > results, but I don't think it would do such a degree as to nullify the
> > > > results that I post.
> > > > Even if you half the numbers I give, it's still *bad* for Netscape.
> > >
> > > I DON'T CARE!!!
> >
> > Then why are you responding/?? Go away. Haha....the same over again.
>
> You first. Get out of the linux and mac newsgroups Wintroll!
and you, a slave...keep quiet; go back to your pit.
--
Matthew Soltysiak
Comp Sci/Soft Eng
ICQ: 3063118
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:51:57 GMT
when KDE2 loads up, does it display the start up screen with a dragon
and four green buttons that light up as the loading progresses, if so,
it is the pre-release. They replaced the start up screen with something
a little more conservative in the full release.
kiwiunixman
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Its the real McCoy, v2 is definately out, the time between the
>> pre-release and final was pretty short, I think because the distros
>> wanted the most up-todate pre-release, that is why the "official"
>> pre-release was announced, like most companies, they (distro
>
> companies)
>
>> did not want to wait until the full and complete version was ready
>> because of the delay.
>
>
> Yes, but how can I tell if mine is the prerelease or the final release?
>
> If I look at the about boxes, it says "KDE Release 2.0". If I do
>
> konqueror --help
>
> it says
>
> KDE 2.0pre
>
> So what do I believe?
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Jason Zimmerman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (B'ichela)
Subject: Re: Windows SUX
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 15:27:18 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 12:41:56 GMT, Tom Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I never understood DEC's facination with 12 bit words. Remember the Rainbow?
>16-bit PC AND 12-bit DEC modes all in one box...
I have a Dec Rainbow 100. It has a Zilog Z80 and a Intel 8088
processor. meaning its a hybrid 8bit/16bit machine. I do not know how
you came up with 12 bits. I have the tech manuals here for it and I
never saw anything about it being 12 bits for a data bus. To be
honest, I have TWO of them ;) as well as a Dec Vt180 (Dec Robin). a
upgraded true Vt100 (later upgraded by original owner). Still need the
floppy cable and boot disks for that brat! All 3 make great Linux
terminals in terminal mode. (I am using the hardware/firmware terminal
modes on all 3!)
--
B'ichela
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:58:58 +0100
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Its the real McCoy, v2 is definately out, the time between the
> > pre-release and final was pretty short, I think because the distros
> > wanted the most up-todate pre-release, that is why the "official"
> > pre-release was announced, like most companies, they (distro
> companies)
> > did not want to wait until the full and complete version was ready
> > because of the delay.
>
> Yes, but how can I tell if mine is the prerelease or the final release?
>
> If I look at the about boxes, it says "KDE Release 2.0". If I do
>
> konqueror --help
>
> it says
>
> KDE 2.0pre
>
> So what do I believe?
Youre right. I get fllowing with "kicker --v" and other programs
Qt: 2.2.1
KDE: 2.0pre
The KDE Panel: 0.9
Youre using Mandrake 7.2 right? Self burned ISO's? It looks like the
special version of Mandrake shipped a few days before the official release
is the base of the downloadable ISO's. I know a major store in the US got
7.2 with prerelease KDE software. This could explain why i dont have
taskbar icons for Kppp when im dialing and why i cannot import Gtk+ themes.
Anyone there with a selfcompiled KDE2 missing those icons?
Bad Mandrake :-)
--
Cheers
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Don't believe the hype
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 21:04:32 GMT
<snip>
>
>> If you value your time then Linux is not free.
>
>
> tired cliche.
Say if you get paid $50 an hour at work, you decide to purchase
Micro$haft Office 2000 and Window$ 2000 you would have to work at least
40 hours to pay for these two pieces of software, so in theory, you
swapped 40 hours of your life (that you cannot get back) for a
substandard piece of software. Compare that to my situation where I
traded 4 hours of my life for SuSE Linux Pro 7, which is a quality piece
of software. Now look who's wasting their time.
kiwiunixman
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 22:01:25 +0100
kiwiunixman wrote:
> when KDE2 loads up, does it display the start up screen with a dragon
> and four green buttons that light up as the loading progresses, if so,
> it is the pre-release. They replaced the start up screen with something
> a little more conservative in the full release.
Mandrake changed the splashscreen and he's using Mandrake 7.2 like me.
Give us the result of your "konqueror --version" command
Mine is
Qt: 2.2.1
KDE: 2.0pre
Konqueror: 1.9.8
--
Cheers
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:43:04 +0000
In article <WkeV5.9062$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>Stuart Fox wrote:
>
>> What exactly are you doing with your boxes where you have to reboot
>> them every three days? Working in an all NT desktop/90% NT Server
>> development environment myself, I just don't see this at all. We
>> reboot them when we upgrade them, and that's it. They don't reboot
>> themselves, they don't bluescreen. Why does it seem to be Unix
>> advocates who can't keep an NT box running longer than a day?
>
>It's propaganda. They want us to believe Windows 98 SE etc. will crash
>every day, and NT only slightly less.
>
If the truth is propaganda, then perhaps you're right?
Mark
>The fact that KDE 2.0 is not much more stable and certainly less polished
>is simply ignored.
>
>--
>Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Is design really that overrated?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:50:23 +0000
In article <VjfV5.9515$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, the_blur wrote:
>> Ah, but you're not a winvocate, right?
>
>Absolutely not! I use it out of mere necessity, as the tools of my trade are
>available only on one other closed, proprietary system possibly even more
>greedy and evil (and crashy) than MS...The MacOS.
>
>> I was asking for a suggestion for probably the most often viewed
>> screen to any microsoft user, the BSOD. For someone who was
>> apparently raring to redesign Tux, you seem to be balking at a
>> challenge which could bring world renown.
>
>Why would I design anything for a closed, proprietary system I care nothing
>about. Besides, I have no interest in doing it, and if I redesigned it, you
>couldn't make fun of the blue screen of death anymore, because it would be
>so classy and well designed you'd be crashing your computer on purpose =)
>just to take a look at my amazing artwork (lucky thing win2k has that little
>registry key that allows you to initiate a BSOD by pressing CTRL - Scroll
>Lock - Scroll Lock, Windows 98 users would have to do it the old fashioned
>way...[instructions on the various methods to cause BSODs in Windows 98
>followed, but were so diverse and numerous, they are far beyond the scope of
>this puny reply - Just boot off a floppy, cd your way to the windows folder
>on your HD and type win]).
>
>Of course, MS being MS, they'd probably just charge me with copying above
>mentioned gears and bombs...but I digress =)
>
>> So - a trendy design for the BSOD - anyone? Our resident designer
>> has thrown in the towel.
>
>Hehe, maybe a nice ANSI ...I used to be good at those =) But I respectfully
>excuse myself from this particular little project =P
>
>
Okay - I give in!
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:54:45 +0000
In article <904778$qkd$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Simon Cooke wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <Ue3V5.91230$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> Simon Cooke wrote:
>> >
>> >"Andrew Suprun" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:BB_U5.99725$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mike Byrns) wrote in
>> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >>
>> >> >> Doh. How do you get a trojan onto a unix machine?
>> >> >
>> >> >Ask the folks that used them for the widespread DDoS attacks on eBay
>et.
>> >> >al. earlier this year.
>> >>
>> >> May be thay should switch from Windows they currently run on to
>> >> some Unix boxes to prevent such kinds of attacks.
>> >
>> >The problem was that infected *Unix* boxes were attacking Ebay. The fact
>>
>> Maybe they were. You need systems likely to be up to lauch co-ordinated
>> attacks from. Windows amazing instability will make it a less than
>> ideal platform for this.
>
>Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't realize you were a PUTZ when I answered you. "Oh ho
>ho ho... Windows has to be up for that to work... bwuhahahahaha".
>
>How hilarious.
Go and read the 2600 FAQ. It suggests Linux as good for home usage
and suggests finding big machines, unix or vms, for launching attacks
from.
The faq is readily available. I think it should be required reading
for anyone claiming to know anything about security.
I don't know what putz means. Come to that, I don't know what bwuhahahaha
means - but in the same phrase as 'windows', I can take some guesses...
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:45:57 +0000
In article <4sfV5.32824$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>mark wrote:
>
>> >Windows 95/98/ME is unstable.
>> >
>> >Windows NT/2000 is less so.
>> >
>> >Linux is stable.
>> >
>> Yup
>
>You left out the: "Linux + KDE 2.0 is not stable".
No, I didn't. I left the bits I agreed with.
mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Of course, there is a down side...
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:59:43 +0000
In article <JjhV5.399$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PLZI wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <qx2V5.29$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PLZI wrote:
>> >Now, very slowly, please explain to me, what is MS supposed to do with NT
>> >group information? Provide a NT Group support for all *nix platforms?
>>
>> Keep it off interfaces. Or, make an interworkable standard with it.
>
>But there is a clearly marked place for it in the standard itself.
>
>> >Yes, NT's user groups are proprietary. They do not exist on unices. Let me
>> >see. I'll put a Win32 binary file as an attachment to an email message.
>Now
>> >you receive that file on a very standard SMTP transport. Say you're using
>> >linux. Are you now telling me, that the SMTP standard is somehow violated,
>> >cause the attachment can not be run in your system?
>>
>> No. But you've just wasted my time and bandwidth. And your own.
>> A standard would have helped us both there, I think?
>
>A standard which defines the content of e-mail? But of course. Like, what the
>hell are you babbling about?
That is you want to create a layer above the conceptual 'email' layer,
ie., on top of the smtp bit, you can. You will need a standard. In
this case, you might want a standard for certain kinds of binary file
so that they can be exchanged between win32 machines and any other
kind. A win32 binary file was what you said you'd attached. That is
what you'd have to standardise. This is fairly obvious, I would have
thought.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:13:49 +0000
In article <dfhV5.397$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PLZI wrote:
>
>"mark" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In article <aW7V5.171$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, PLZI wrote:
>
>> >Now let us see.
>> >
>> >If the law finds, say OJ Simpson, not guilty, we can safely say that
>anyone
>> >who thinks he is a killer, is somehow against the law, and prefers
>breaking
>> >it (as "what do I think about the US Legal system ruling in MS case" would
>> >lead to the question of do I prefer breaking the law or not.).
>> >
>> >Now is that interesting or what?
>
>> Microsoft has been found to be a monopoly. Nothing to do with any
>> sportsman at all.
>
>Let us go over this veeeeery slowly.
>
>The courts of US have found the MS guilty of illegal use of monopolistic
>power.
>The courts of US have found OJ Simpson not guilty of murder.
>
>If I have an opinion of MS trial, I am soon faced with question, do I choose
>to obey the law? (This of course means, that if I dispute the courts
>findings, I am against the law somehow).
>
>If someone has an opinion of OJ Trial, they should be equally asked, if they
>choose to dispute the court's findings, do they obey the law? Cause if they
>do, they equally are against the law somehow.
>
>Simple enough? Was there an error somewhere? Please explain. Both cases
>(again, in my opinion) tell something about the US court system itself. What
>it tells, I leave to each and every one to come to their own conclusions.
>And FYI, the US laws and the findings of US courts are still very much
>non-issue here in europe.
>
No, I'm not finding this simple at all. I think you're saying that
because a basketball player was found not-guiltly, then Microsoft
shouldn't have been found guilty, or something like that.
Or perhaps you're saying that Microsoft should be able to appeal and
so should the prosecution on OJ's case? I can't see that anyone holding
a personal view about OJ can be breaking the law, I'm not aware that the
US has any particular thought police.
so what did you mean?
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Thu, 30 Nov 2000 19:43:59 +0000
In article <MieV5.9055$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>mark wrote:
>
>> You should be able to command a huge salary then. Everyone else
>> on the planet stuggles to keep Win98 going for a whole day.
>>
>> Why don't you sell this super-skill?
>
>The sarcasm meter just exploded. Along with the exagerometer.
>
Well, I'm glad it hit some spot! I only had to reboot my Win98SE
once today.
Mark
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