Linux-Advocacy Digest #592, Volume #30 Fri, 1 Dec 00 14:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Why is MS copying Sun??? ("James A. Robertson")
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: The Sixth Sense ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux is awful (Robert Wiegand)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Linux is awful ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: The Sixth Sense (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! (Tim Tyler)
Re: Netscape review. (Eric Remy)
Re: Linux growth rate explosion! ("Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)")
Re: Comparing Linux (Spicerun)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (T. Max Devlin)
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From: "James A. Robertson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.lang.java.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why is MS copying Sun???
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 17:19:43 GMT
Joseph Dalton wrote:
>
>
> Secondly for those who do need to use a PC on a regular basis, the
> proprietary but most common file format can indeed be a hindrance.
>
> Consider the above argument by Chad applied to phone companies - If I
> (as a phone company) invest a lot of money into wiring up a locale,
> using a particular digital format on the interconnect, and a copy-cat
> comes along, it is my responsibility to make sure he can connect to my
> network? .... I believe the FTC has said yes.
>
Not with cell networks they haven't. And pricing has dropped a <lot>
faster there than it did under the 'utility' model applied to standard
phone service. Letting competing vendors have at it in an open market
usually works out best. The 'utilities' you worry about are all
<government created> monopolies - they didn't get that way themselves.
> > >
> > > If you were the largest power supplier, would you be able to pick an
> > > arbitrary voltage to feed so you could be the only source of appliances
> > > too? Or if you were the largest railroad, could you change the width
> > > of the tracks so no one else's equipment would work there?
> > >
> > > Les Mikesell
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > --
> > James A. Robertson
> > Technical Product Manager (Smalltalk), Cincom
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> > <Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library>
>
> --
> -- Joe Dalton
> -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
James A. Robertson
Technical Product Manager (Smalltalk), Cincom
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
<Talk Small and Carry a Big Class Library>
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:16:28 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > By who? And where does the money come from?
> >
> > > >> Actually, that's the solution. The problem is that with copyright
> > > >> wrapped in a trade secret, you can make money just *owning* it,
without
> > > >> ever selling anything at all.
> > > >
> > > >Please repeat that, I don't think I understand what you are saying
here.
> > > >If you can, would you provide an example of what you mean?
> > >
> > > I'm sorry to say, you'll have to point to which part you didn't
> > > understand. Re-typing it wouldn't help, after all.
> >
> > How can you make money by owning copyright wrapped in a trade secret?
Are
> > you talking about licensing software instead of selling it?
>
> As far as I know, there is nothing to prevent you from
> selling GPL software. Linux vendors do it all the time.
> I buy those products for the convenience of the bundling and all
> the work that went into adding scripts to make configuration
> and installation simpler.
>
> I could write, say, a wave editor, and sell it, posting the
> code for anyone who wants it, with a GPL license. Some people
> might want to buy the software so they can call me to get help.
Most people, however, would opt to the free choice, which is the get the
source and compile it, and then use it.
All of this without you seeing a penny.
Not to mention that someone else might take your application, make some
minor changes, and sell it, profiting from *your* work.
And if you design your application well, people won't *need* to call you for
help.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:29:49 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > VB is the easiest and most simple way to provide an application with
GUI.
> > And if you take a look at the code, you'll see that there are no
components
> > glued together.
> > The application use standard API call to read/write/modify the registry.
You
> > could do the same with any language that has a compiler for windows.
> > It's usually very easy to convert VB code to C/C++, the reverse is not
true,
> > of course. If you know C/C++/Java/<any programming language>, it
shouldn't
> > be hard to understand what the application is doing.
>
> Oh, I'm not worried about understanding it. Having already mastered most
> aspects of C++, become familiar with MFC and the Win32 API, and now
> knowing pretty well knowing how to use C++ Builder (and hence, some
Delphi),
> I have really no need for VB.
>
> Granted, it may have some hooks into entities that the above products
don't
> give you, but, for the size of projects I work on, VB is not suitable.
> And it has other costs that I'm not keen on paying.
>
> The funny thing about VB is that is great for the simple apps such as
> you have written. But it has shortcomings in larger projects, and
> your workarounds then make it into a house of cards.
Indeed, the only thing I routinely use VB for is indeed small applications.
But in theory at least, you could do the GUI in VB, and store all your C/C++
code (the real work) in DLLs and call them from there.
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From: Robert Wiegand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 11:15:11 -0600
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > Windows may be nice if everything works correctly, but it is a nightmare
> > when something fails. Since you can't see hwat is really happing inside
> > the OS it is really difficult to trace down and fix a problem.
>
> No, that is simply not true.
Just because you haven't had problems doesn't mean that no one else
has problems.
You have no idea how many hours I have wasted trying to get
Windows installs to work right.
> > Windows is also a major pain to install if you have a number of
> > devices that aren't supported by the base OS. Installing everything
> > on my Windows PC takes about 5 CDROMS and 2 floppy disks. And you have
> > to reboot the stupid machine after installing each driver.
>
> I've 3 devices that are not supported by win9x natively (though win2k &
> whistler & some linux does support those natively), it's neither a nightmare
> nor does it require a reboot after each driver installation.
In theory you can install multiple drivers without a reboot but I
have found that it isn't a good idea. If the machine doesn't
work you have no idea which one caused the problem.
--
Regards,
Bob Wiegand [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:45:06 +0200
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ayende Rahien wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I can read a variety of formats, and there is always HTML & PDF
> > >
> > > Ah, yes, PDF, just about the only support for PostScript on
> > > Windozzzzzzz.
> >
> > How to handle postscript files in Windows.
> > http://www-pcs.fnal.gov/printing/pc-ps-print/
> > http://www.cs.wisc.edu/~ghost/gsview/index.html
> > http://www.pdfzone.com/products/software/tool_PSAlter.html
> > http://www.pdfzone.com/products/software/tool_HTMLDOC.html
> > http://www.lincolnco.com/converters.htm
> > http://www.lincolnco.com/viewers.htm
> > http://www.rops.org/
> >
> > Want to repeat that statement?
>
> Those are all viewers and converters [I couldn't get the first
> link to respond]. I thank you for showing me some stuff that
> could turn out useful.
>
> But the only tool for generating Postscript shown in those
> links is that HTMLDOC product. Isn't there any thing for
> /producing/ documents in PostScript, aside from Adobe?
This may be a little overkill, but here is something that should be able to
do it:
http://download.cnet.com/downloads/0-14487-100-1796136.html?tag=st.dl.10001-
103-1.lst-1-1.1796136
If you really want do to postscript in windows, and want to steer clear of
Adobe, and the above application is insufficent, then I suggest you would
try asking in news://comp.lang.postscript or news://comp.sources.postscript
as well as a deep web search.
I didn't invest much time in the search, nor do I care much for Postscript.
I only need to veiw it on occasions, when there is a mathematical article
that is posted in postscript that interest me, but that is about it.
> By the way, you have a real way with words:
>
> > Are you really so ignorant, or are you playing?
>
> Every person has their domain of ignorance. I tend not
> to want to jump on people for not knowing something.
> If I come back later and still claim there isn't much
> for Postscript in Windozzzzzzzz, then you can jump
> on me. <smile></smile>
I'm annoyed because it took me about 5 minutes to give you this list with
Google.
If you needed PostScript in windows, you could've looked for it.
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:57:13 +0200
"Robert Wiegand" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> > > Windows may be nice if everything works correctly, but it is a
nightmare
> > > when something fails. Since you can't see hwat is really happing
inside
> > > the OS it is really difficult to trace down and fix a problem.
> >
> > No, that is simply not true.
>
> Just because you haven't had problems doesn't mean that no one else
> has problems.
>
> You have no idea how many hours I have wasted trying to get
> Windows installs to work right.
Oh, I've many problems, and I've spent many hours trying to install
Windows9x.
But I simply don't agree that it's that hard to fix things in it.
> > > Windows is also a major pain to install if you have a number of
> > > devices that aren't supported by the base OS. Installing everything
> > > on my Windows PC takes about 5 CDROMS and 2 floppy disks. And you have
> > > to reboot the stupid machine after installing each driver.
> >
> > I've 3 devices that are not supported by win9x natively (though win2k &
> > whistler & some linux does support those natively), it's neither a
nightmare
> > nor does it require a reboot after each driver installation.
>
> In theory you can install multiple drivers without a reboot but I
> have found that it isn't a good idea. If the machine doesn't
> work you have no idea which one caused the problem.
Actually, you can usually tell by looking at the hardware panel in system
properties, and look for a yellow exlamation.
(I assume this is what you mean when you say a problem, if not, please
spesify, win9x has a *lot* of problems).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Anyone have to use (*GAG*) Windows on the job?
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:12:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Steve Mading
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on 30 Nov 2000 01:56:16 GMT
<904c40$g1u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>: And... if I bought a system for Linux, what will I find. Oh look! Windows
>: will run on it!
>
>Please describe how to get Windows to run on any of the following
>machines:
>1 - A Sun Sparc workstation.
>2 - A Macintosh PPC-based machine.
>3 - An IBM AS/400.
>...etc...
>
Instructions on how to get Windows running on a Sun Sparc,
a Macintosh PPC, or an IBM AS/400.
1. Open box.
2. Remove motherboard.
3. Drill holes and insert spacers as required. If one is really
lucky, one can get by with existing screw and spacer hardware.
4. Acquire new ix86 standard ISA or PCI motherboard, and, if
required, a compatible power supply.
5. Hook up.
6. Install Windows.
End of procedure.
:-)
(A more serious alternative may involve purchasing software such
as VmWare.)
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- what's this thing in my cheek?
up 77 days, 3:20, running Linux.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:26:38 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> I'm annoyed because it took me about 5 minutes to give you this list with
> Google.
> If you needed PostScript in windows, you could've looked for it.
Sorry about that! I was merely making an argument. However, I can
see a possible need for those links at work. Thanks!
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: The Sixth Sense
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:35:15 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> Indeed, the only thing I routinely use VB for is indeed small applications.
> But in theory at least, you could do the GUI in VB, and store all your C/C++
> code (the real work) in DLLs and call them from there.
That's one of my pet peeves. We do projects, and it takes a long time,
and the manager types start bringing up RAD environments. Never mind that
we already have a reasonably good one (C++ Builder), they start suggesting
LabView, or suggest stitching together an app using IE5+HTML+JavaScript+Acrobat
(for a real-life example).
Then comes the talk of how long it takes to make GUIs. For our projects,
it's just a pure crap argument. With today's tools, the GUIs are the
friggin' easiest part. What screws us up is having to invent complex
sets of objects and protocols for services that we just cannot buy anywhere.
No matter how good your tools, that kind of complexity just takes time
to design, code, debug, test, and document. Even the internal interactions
between GUI components, which RAD does little to address, can be pretty
complex.
It takes real bravery to argue with someone who claims they've djinned
up this app that will fulfill the requirements of the project when the
app does look like it does the job, but leaves many fundamental and
somewhat hidden requirements (e.g. speed, reliability, and memory usage)
unanswered. As far as the president or upper management is concerned,
the job is done, when it is actually only 5% complete!
Chris
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:38:10 GMT
Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
> Most people, however, would opt to the free choice, which is the get the
> source and compile it, and then use it.
> All of this without you seeing a penny.
> Not to mention that someone else might take your application, make some
> minor changes, and sell it, profiting from *your* work.
> And if you design your application well, people won't *need* to call you for
> help.
You've got some good points there.
There is one form of non-monetary payment you get, which is the good
will of other developers who let you use their tools to do your work.
I think what you say is most true when the application is large,
well-written, well-documented, and performs a popular function.
In that case, then the project can only be funded by a company
with sources of income from other projects. A good example is
Star Office. Another is IE.
Chris
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Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
From: Tim Tyler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 1 Dec 2000 18:26:39 GMT
In comp.lang.java.advocacy JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
[Running code in sandboxes to defend against trojans]
: Pfhht. Applets as you well know are extremely limited in their
: abilities and are wholly unsuitable for anything beyond scrolling LED
: marquees and Tetris clones. [...]
Tell that to the folks at http://games.yahoo.com/ http://www.ipix.com/ etc.
--
__________ http://alife.co.uk/ http://mandala.co.uk/
|im |yler [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://hex.org.uk/ http://atoms.org.uk/
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From: Eric Remy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy
Subject: Re: Netscape review.
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 13:49:15 -0500
In article <908el5$aa6u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Ayende Rahien"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You'd be wrong. MSIE 5 for the Mac is one very nice browser. In several
>> ways better than MSIE 5.5 for PC, including standards compliance. Given
>> that Netscape sucks on Macs even worse than on Windows or Linux, it (or
>> iCab) should be the choice for most folks who've actually compared the
>> things.
>
>I never run netscape on Mac, why is it so bad?
>I understand that one of Mac's problems is with handling memory, and
>netscape is noturious in demanding more and more and more memory as time
>goes by. Not a good combination.
That's one of the big problems.
Add to it an utterly miserable JVM, at least in older versions. At
least the newer ones allow you to use Apple's runtime.
Tack on glacial performance.
Crash happy. Sometimes (used to be always) kills the system on crash.
Likes to install stuff you specifically ask not to, such as AIM.
But at least it runs Chime correctly: MSIE on both Mac and PC tends to
die with too many embedded molecules. (And the Mozilla team fixed the
incompatibility with 6.0 when I reported it from the beta- kudos. MS
hasn't done so yet.) At least that's something...
--
Eric Remy. Chemistry Learning Center Director, Virginia Tech
"I don't like (quantum mechanics), | How many errors can
and I'm sorry I ever had anything | you find in my X-Face?
to do with it."- Erwin Schrodinger |
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From: "Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.lang.java.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux growth rate explosion!
Date: 1 Dec 2000 18:49:22 GMT
JTK <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: (comp.lang.java.advocacy)
|"Jon A. Maxwell (JAM)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
|>
|> [...] The solution to the problem is to run all code in an environment
|> with less rights than the user. [...] Java does this with applets, and
|> potentially with any code,
|
| Pfhht. Applets as you well know are extremely limited in their
| abilities and are wholly unsuitable for anything beyond scrolling
| LED marquees and Tetris clones. Even the droolingest Sun
| worshipper will tell you that. "Any code" indeed.
Sure, applets are extremely limited forms of Java and make the best
Tetris clones out there. Check out www.multris.org for the best
clone ever put on the web, btw.
The simple fact of the matter is that Java suypports security at all
levels, whether applet or not, whereas nothing else that lets you run
code from the internet does.
Jam (address rot13 encoded)
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From: Spicerun <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Comparing Linux
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 18:10:01 +0000
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thank you. I've been trying to say something like this for some time now,
and I seem to get slammed for it.
Unfortunately, Linus seems to think that comparing Linux is a good thing
as per his interview in the latest Linux Magazine. His quote which is
"It's very much been a part of the motivation thing to always have
something to compare against." as part of his answer to the question "And
on a personal level, do you think it is fun trying to beat NT and
Solaris?" You can see this quote on page 54, column 3 of the December
2000 issue of Linux Magazine. I was somewhat disappointed in what he was
saying in this section. Someone please tell me I'm totally
misinterpreting what he is saying.
> Why is (almost) everybody out there comparing Linux to other Operation
> Systems ?? I don't get it. Linux is a stand-alone OS, it don't needs
> DOS or something. Linux is a product made out of Unix but that don't
> makes it a clone or a good copy of the original....
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:05:56 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Chris Ahlstrom in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 01 Dec 2000
[...]
>But the only tool for generating Postscript shown in those
>links is that HTMLDOC product. Isn't there any thing for
>/producing/ documents in PostScript, aside from Adobe?
Not generally, because Adobe owns PostScript, and they don't license it
cheap.
>By the way, you have a real way with words:
>
>> Are you really so ignorant, or are you playing?
>
>Every person has their domain of ignorance. I tend not
>to want to jump on people for not knowing something.
>If I come back later and still claim there isn't much
>for Postscript in Windozzzzzzzz, then you can jump
>on me. <smile></smile>
There isn't much for Postscript on Windows. More than nothing at all,
but that's about all you can say.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:09:45 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 1 Dec 2000 19:45:06
[...]
>I'm annoyed because it took me about 5 minutes to give you this list with
>Google.
>If you needed PostScript in windows, you could've looked for it.
Or maybe you would have figured that such products might already be
conveniently available, and wonder why they're not.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Fri, 01 Dec 2000 01:16:10 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 1 Dec 2000 16:48:35
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 1 Dec 2000 02:34:22
>
>> >At some point, someone has to pay the bills.
>> >Exchange programmers for who-ever-pays-the-bill and you see the point.
>>
>> Of course, but do you? Do you see the point of what your doing is
>> demagoguery and fear-mongering?
>>
>> Horton hears a Who, my friend. Nothing to be worried about. Times
>> change. Bills get paid.
>
>By who? And where does the money come from?
The same place it always does: a little ink, some special paper, a few
computer generated patterns, and viola.
Oh, you meant I should be concerned how somebody else makes their living
selling something? Too bad; I got my own problems. That's what people
get MBAs for.
[...]
>How can you make money by owning copyright wrapped in a trade secret? Are
>you talking about licensing software instead of selling it?
Indeed I am. If you might be so kind, there were several lengthy
threads where I explained this whole thing quite fully, you might check
Deja. Here, I will merely briefly summarize; please don't quibble about
these terms or the truth of these statements unless you've read the
aforementioned previous Usenet traffic:
a) No, the license you purchase is not a copyright license, therefore it
is a trade secret license.
b) No, you do not buy a license to use and a piece of plastic when you
buy entertainment on CD, the "All Rights Reserved" statement in a book
is not a license, and nobody but *producers* of copyright works ever
have to agree to a license to own, use, or even copy (fair use)
intellectual property.
c) Wrapping a copyrighted work in a trade secret license is often used
as an unethical mechanism for effectively securing patent-like
protection on non-patentable works, it is used to profiteer by
extracting exorbitant profits on a commodity which is only limited by
the producer's refusal to produce to the level of demand, and their
ability to prevent competitors from meeting the demand.
--
T. Max Devlin
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accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
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