Linux-Advocacy Digest #592, Volume #34 Fri, 18 May 01 10:13:04 EDT
Contents:
Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU! (Charlie Ebert)
Re: The Economist and Open-Source ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st ("Scott L." com>)
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Flacco")
Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum: ("Flacco")
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x.... ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x.... ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Why did Eazel shutdown? ("Donal K. Fellows")
Re: Aaron Kookis: over 340 posts in 6 days! ("~¿~")
Re: Beos vs Linux (Dave Walker)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Robert W Lawrence)
Re: Beos vs Linux ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Mandrake astroturfing? (Zsolt)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Mathew)
Re: What does Linux need for the desktop? (Pete Goodwin)
Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!! (chrisv)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft - WE DELETE YOU!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:12:41 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, T. Max Devlin wrote:
>
>But can you understand what any of it MEANS, that is the question, Erik.
>
>>> How fucking stupid do you think we are here?
>>
>>You? I think you are incredibly stupid. Or dishonest. I'm not sure which,
>>but it's one of the two.
>
>Must be, to think you are fucking stupid, huh?
>
>Sock puppet.
>
>>> >> Then you spent 3-4 months arguing that a back door existed
>>> >> at all when it was being talked about.
>>> >
>>> >This statement doesn't parse.
>>>
>>> This statement doesn't parse?
>>> Like you butt going down a set of stairs sideways?
>>
>>I rest my case.
>
>You rest your ass. Right where it doesn't belong; on
>alt.destroy.microsoft. Take your sock puppet ass elsewhere; that's all
>that we're saying. :-)
>
>>> >> Now that MS has admitted there was an illegal back door to
>>> >> the system and publicized the .dll to remove, your still
>>> >> acting like a superior knowit-all jerk.
>>> >
>>> >No, they have not admitted this. The article was reposted from a year
>>ago.
>>> >MS originally thought it might be a back door, but retracted it after
>>> >studying the code.
>>>
>>> You are absolutely a fucking loonatic!
>>
>>That would be lunatic. And how about telling me why i'm one, in a
>>comprehensible way.
>
Thanks for making things worse for yourself moron.
What I mean to say is you have been living in a moon crater face
down for the last 30 years.
--
Charlie
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Economist and Open-Source
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:11:27 +0100
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> The part you are neglecting to mention is the fact that it was Notes that
>> was substantively in the wrong if it was designed to rely on a feature of
>> a particular implementation, and not what was in the API. Maintaining
>> "bug" compatability is usually wrong...
>
> But MS does it. Check the "compatibility" section of the win.ini (or was it
> system.ini, I forget) in Windows 9x/ME.
Doesn't make it right. Theoretically, it should be possible to solve this
by loading different versions of the libraries concerned, but library
loading is one of the areas of (at least earlier versions of) Windows that
are not handled quite as well as they might be.
Anyway, in a properly handled software project (especially one that is
interfaced to other people's software, like a system library) the general
flow of development should start with the specification (written so as to
be human-readable, for strong preference) and then flow to the test suite
and the implementation. That is not to say that the specifcation cannot
be informed by the implementation, but rather that source code is, even
at best, a poor specification. This principle is one that many codesmiths
(whether in an OSS community, or in a commercial closed-source environment)
would do well to take better account of.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Always running as a superuser is not a fault, it's an OS preference.
-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:25:50 +0100
Jan Johanson wrote:
> All TPC tests include the cost of support because that is a real world
> factor in buying and running hardware and software. What good does it do to
> have free tech support on-line for a free OS - when the cost of everything
> you run on it makes that "free" meaningless? It's called TCO and it's
> important when you enter the business world.
It is also difficult to measure TCO, since you have to take into account
the costs of things like down-time, upgrades, training, etc. For example,
with some operating environments, it might only take a fraction of an
admin's time to keep it running fine, and with others it might need a full
time body whose hourly rate is lower. Which is cheaper? Difficult to
measure over anything other than a full-scale organization where you can
properly amortize the consequences of multi-roled staff, and then it is
all too easy to have numbers that are non-comparable for a myriad of other
reasons (not least of which is the fact that the world does not stand
still while we measure it.)
To complicate things still further, unit cost is not the only important
factor in the game. Some applications have a minimum performance level,
and no solution which does not reach it will be considered at all, no
matter how good its cost-per-transaction. Others have an absolute cap
on one-time or total outlay, but can tolerate lower performance. Of
course, many real applications are not as nice as benchmarks either,
for example requiring more global data locks or comprehensive hardening
against malicious attack...
Benchmarks are benchmarks, and should not be mistaken for anything meaningful.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Always running as a superuser is not a fault, it's an OS preference.
-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Scott L." <zr2@eudoramail<dot>com>
Subject: Re: Campaign: Microsoft Free by October 1st
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:36:53 GMT
Lee -
Greetings. I haven't come to a conclusion yet :) This weekend I'm going to
spend some serious time trying to get WINE running, but up until now its
been fruitless. Once I put my nose to the grindstone, I'm sure I'll get it
running, and hopefully it will meet my expectations.
Scott
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >>>>> "Scott" == Scott L <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Scott> I have
> Scott> yet to get WINE to run, but the overhead on that will
> Scott> preclude running most games.
>
> Try before you make a conclusion. 5 or 6 years ago, I (bravely) tried
> to run the DOS version of DOOM2 under DOSEMU. I thought DOSEMU
> wouldn't fully support protected mode programs (The DOOM2 core engine
> is a DOS extender). I was wrong. I also thought that DOOM2 would be
> damn slow, because DOSEMU is an "emulator", which should be slow
> because of the overhead of emulation. The facts, however, proved me
> wrong. It ran quite smoothly, comparable to running on bare DOS. It
> was completely playable and I was very impressed.
>
> I've got similiar experiences when I tried VMWare. Many people as
> well as I have been impressed by the speed of running MS Office under
> Win98 under VMWare under Linux. We all guessed that it would be slow
> (should theoretically be even slower than WINE, because the emulation
> is more low-level) because of the emulation layer. But VMWare really
> did a great job. The difference is not very noticeable. (Of course,
> this is under the assumption of sufficient RAM.)
>
>
>
> --
> Lee Sau Dan §õ¦u´°(Big5)
~{@nJX6X~}(HZ)
>
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:40:08 GMT
> The above applies to Windows users, not just the Linux community. It is
> specifically aimed at *end users* who are Lazy and make NO effort to
> understand the BASICS of their operating system. Sorry there are NO
> excuses for being a Lazy whining peanut.
OK, OK. I guess you could look at it that way. I've just seen too much
bashing of innocent bystanders in COLA lately...
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From: "Flacco" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Rather humorous posting on news.com commentry forum:
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 12:43:57 GMT
> I HATE YOU FLACCO!
That's a little extreme, isn't it?
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:32:21 +0100
Ayende Rahien wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Sounds better than it was, though with UNIX, you can use an arbitrary
>> executable as the interpreter.
>
> You can do the same in Windows, what is your point?
Not for WSH-compliance, you can't. There's more to it than that. I
looked into this once, and decided that MS could blow goats before I'd
devote serious spare-time to figuring out what was going on.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Always running as a superuser is not a fault, it's an OS preference.
-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris,staroffice.com.support.install.solaris,comp.unix.advocacy,alt.os.unix,alt.unix
Subject: Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x....
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:41:40 +0100
Philip Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 17 May 2001 14:37:06 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> Experience says that NFS is much slower than local disk, especially when
>> there is serious network contention.
>
> However, compilation is primarily CPU-bound, and MOST of the I/O
> will be local (rereading the local system headers in /usr/include)
You are, of course, absolutely right. NOT!
Years-worth of experience says you are wrong, and putting everything
local does make a big difference. Whether or not you believe that it
should does not matter, since it does anyway. :^)
Perhaps you only compile trivial things that only need to reference the
basic set of headers (standard plus OS) that you can be sure of finding
in /usr/local, but more complex projects (where major source trees are
NFS-mounted) really hit this sort of thing.
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Always running as a superuser is not a fault, it's an OS preference.
-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.solaris.x86,comp.unix.solaris,staroffice.com.support.install.solaris,comp.unix.advocacy,alt.os.unix,alt.unix
Subject: Re: Solaris 8 vs 7/2.x....
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:48:04 +0100
Matt McLeod wrote:
> We've got major products which *require* version 4.2 of the Sun C++
> compiler to build. No other version will do it, not even 6.0 in
> "4.2-compatibility" mode. And of course 4.2 hit EOL a while back.
> Investigation into making the necessary changes for it to build with
> a current compiler concluded that it'd cost too much to do it, and
> as you're not going to be able to con a customer into paying for
> something which should have been done in the first place...
I'm luckier; I stick to bog-standard C, and someone else wrote nearly all
the compatability stuff too. Problems now usually arise from the "creative
disagreements" between vendors over exactly what should go in a header
file or library... :^/
(IRIX64 was awful, and SunOS4 was hardly much better. Mind you, the oddest
bugs have come from porting big-endian RISC code to little-endian CISC
architectures, where this resulted in the stack being obliterated...)
Donal.
--
Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Always running as a superuser is not a fault, it's an OS preference.
-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "Donal K. Fellows" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why did Eazel shutdown?
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:53:35 +0100
Anonymous wrote:
> It's a very well publicized form of crime. Well, you can
> take your chances, it's your life.
I don't think it's happened to me. Well, not online according to Google
anyway. :^)
Donal.
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Donal K. Fellows http://www.cs.man.ac.uk/~fellowsd/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-- Always running as a superuser is not a fault, it's an OS preference.
-- <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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From: "~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Aaron Kookis: over 340 posts in 6 days!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:00:08 GMT
"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, chrisv wrote:
> >Is there anyone else in the world so full of himself, so sure of
> >himself, so in love with the sound of his own voice, so devoid of a
> >life that on some days he'll post well over 50 obnoxious,
> >argumentative messages into a single newsgroup?
> >
>
>
> Flatfish doubles that.
>
> So does Erik Fuckenbush.
>
> So does Chad Myers.
>
> Simply put, COLA is Linux Advocacy and we have knot heads
> on COLA known as WINTROLLS who post a pile of shit and we
> have to answer it.
>
> And AK is merely answering it in the most effecient manner
> possible for a Wintroll.
>
> So fuck em. There you go buddy.
Really? A quick google usenet search, ( you may have to hunt and peck a bit
for that option - the google toolbar only runs under I.E. 5 or better. )
Returns over 6000 posts each for:
You
Porter
Gardiner
I couldn't keep going on through the list to see if they were *all* from the
colaZealots above.
However, pages up till 10 on each name were still listing cola posts from
these LinPerts.
You guys must really fast typing fingers, or you stay on here all damn day!
Now, what was that you were saying?
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From: Dave Walker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Beos vs Linux
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.be.advocacy
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:15:01 GMT
Dan Pidcock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Maybe Mandrake 8.0 would be a good choice? I could just see what's on
> the cover discs of the 2 linux magazines and try that but cheapbytes
> will be cheaper.
Opinions vary, but (IMO) Mandrake 8.0 is probably the
closest thing to a "consumer" Linux distro you'll
find. The packages are all reasonably up to
date, the installer is non-bearded-and-hairy, etc.
One thing you can do to make almost any workstation
Linux distro feel more responsive is to run
X at a higher scheduling priority (i.e. renice
it to -10 or so) This isn't recommended
for servers, for obvious reasons.
-d.w.
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From: Robert W Lawrence <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 07:15:21 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<>Edward Rosten wrote:
<>>
<>> Save your breath. This guy is a firm bigot
<> ^^^^^^^^^
<>
<>You misspelled "resistant to homosexual brainwashing"
<>
<>> and he will *never* concede
<>> that he has made a mistake.
<>
<>Why would one conceed a mistake when one has not made one?
<>
Because in the bassackwards of the internet ONLY Bigots dare to question the
Liberal Agenda. USENET groups are heavily populated with college students, many
using our dime(state supported schools), few with jobs. Yet they are experts on
everything. The world looks quite different when you are being supported by
mommy and daddy and being taught by teachers who never had to try and make it in
the real world.
You have questioned one of the "prime directives" of USENET. That is that
homosexual behavior is as inate to a person as their gender or race.
Robert W Lawrence
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
1Peter 5:7
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.sys.be.advocacy
Subject: Re: Beos vs Linux
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:24:44 +0100
> Sounds like thrashing but gpm & xosview tell me that no swap is being
gpm? are you sure: that's a program which gives you a console mouse.
> used so that can't be the case. While thinking about memory there is
> another problem with Linux: I upgraded from 64MB to
> 192MB and the tools (free, top) still think I have 64MB. There is a
> fix mentioned in SDB to put a mem line in /etc/init.conf (IIRC) but that
> hasn't worked.
The file is /etc/lilo.conf, and just putting the line in there isn't
enough. You need to re run lilo, ie
/sbin/lilo
as root. Or when the LILO: prompt comes up type append="mem=192M" (IIRC)
> I started off using netscape 4.7 for browsing but it
> is really just a pile of pants. Uses up loads of memory, takes ages to
> launch, as soon as I have used it for about 10 minutes and have over
> about 6 windows it grinds to a halt and I have to kill it.
It can be a pain, but its OK most of the time I find.
> I don't have gnome wm, but tried mwm, fvwm, fvwm2, afterstep and
> icewm. Of all these I find icewm nicest with the launcher/task bar.
Ha! You renounce the One True Window Manager? (fvwm2)
> This however brings me to another bugbear with linux: each window
> manager seems to have it's own standard for application menus, themes
> and the like. It's just such a pain configuring each one to be nice &
> have all my useful apps on the menus.
It may suprise you to know that not everyone has an applications menu,
and some of us wouldn't want one forced on us. But I take your point. It
is possible with the aid of scripts to have one menu that gets applied to
all the window managers, but no one seems to have done it well yet.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:32:27 +0100
> In particular, if you intend to port a proprietary (non-GPL'd)
> application using Cygwin, you will need the proprietary-use license for
> the Cygwin library. This is available for purchase; please contact
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] for more information. All other questions should be
> sent to the project mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
I was referring to this, since wine isn't that great, to get UNIX-Windows
compatibility, it would seem that cygwin is the way to go.
An a point to note, I wish they would get a better terminal emulator
(such as the one from putty.exe).
With MacOSX coming out, UNIX/MAC portability will become rather easier,
too.
This, of course ignores the knotty problem of GUIs.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Analysis of the Linux Report from MS
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 15:34:53 +0100
> Recent versions of RPM (the format) and 'rpm' (the utility) support
> "relocatable" packages. I've never played with it, but I believe the
> application packager MUST take the responsibility to make it work, and
> that in turn depends on whether the application writers provide such
> an option.
Most versions do, but it seemes very limited, since almost nothing will
install relocatably.
> Edward> It is annoying when your /usr partition fills up.
>
> Fortunately, this is partly alleviated by the use of symbolic link.
> Just install a new harddisk, mount the partitions somewhere (say
> "/blah") then 'mv' some of the things from "/usr" to "/blah", and
> finally make a symbolic link from "/usr/abc" to "/blah/abc". You can
> then free up the /usr partition. That'd be transparent to both the
> programs and end-users.
I have been busy with the symbolic links recently. It would be easier to
instruct it to install in /opt, though.
> What can you do when something similar happens in windows? What if
> The C: drive is filled up? Can you move some application's files to
> the D: drive? No, many programs will record in the registry that the
> files are in drive "C:". Moving them to "D:" would thus break it.
> Now, Windows do not have symbolic links. What can you do? Re-install
> the applications?
Another thing I dislike about windows.
-Ed
--
(You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: Zsolt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake astroturfing?
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:34:57 GMT
Flacco <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on Fri, 18 May 2001 01:29:44 GMT
presented us with
the wisdom:
> I've noticed a lot of messages, in a lot of places, praising the new
> Mandrake release - in the newsgroups, in talk-backs of the various Linux
> sites and ZDNet...
>
> Some of them don't seem particularly "natural", some seem repetitive, and
> sometimes they are just barely relevant to the message to which they
> reply.
>
> Is there some kind of Mandrake astroturf campaign underway?
>
> Just an observation...
I can't make a judgement call on whether there is such campaign or not,
but I can assure you I'm not part of anything like that - yet I also think, that
Mandrake is a pretty good distro. I'm a linux user since 1996 August and
went through a few distros. I started with Slackware, then switched to
RedHat (v4.x) and used a few releases of that upto 5.2, then switched
to Caldera, used that for a year, then last year I had to pick a distro
for my small software company as a development platform. I evaluated
SuSE (6.4), Mandrake (7.1), Caldera (2.4), RedHat (6.2) and Corel Linux.
I've found Mandrake to be the best from these for our purpose. We
develop scientific modelling software with 3D OpenGL graphics, CORBA,
Java client, C++ server code with multi-threading and cluster support.
Mandrake has a good set of development tools included, easy
administration, some security considerations, good KDE integration,
and (b)leeding :-) edge support for latest graphics drivers and kernels.
The last one is important for us and despite the occasional bleeding part,
Mandrake was still the best in terms of getting the 3D performance with
the least amount of hassle. I'm happy with the choice, we upgraded to
Mandrake 7.2 since the initial install (7.1). As for the 8.0 release, I decided
not to jump on it yet, but wait for 8.1 as I anticipate a lot of bug fixes...
I've tried RedHat 6.0 and Mandrake 7.0 and seen the improvements in
stability and robustness with the respective x.1 releases. ;)
Zsolt
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Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:31:32 GMT
On Fri, 18 May 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> jet wrote:
> >
> > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Ray Fischer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > >Ray Fischer wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> And where do you suppose the men gets AIDS?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> From women.
> > > > >
> > > > >Bzzzzzzzt! Wrong.
> > > > >There is no transport mechanism for any such infection to happen.
> > > >
> > > > Well, it seems that the United States Centers for Disease Control
> > > > believes otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > But what do they know? The all-knowing homophobe Kulkis says
> > > > otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/pubs/faq/faq21.htm
> > > >
> > > > Can I get HIV from having vaginal sex?
> > > >
> > > > Yes, it is possible to become infected with HIV through vaginal
> > > > intercourse. In fact, it is the most common way the virus is
> > > > transmitted in much of the world. HIV can be found in the blood,
> > > > semen, pre-seminal fluid, or vaginal fluid of a person infected
> > > > with the virus. The lining of the vagina can tear and possibly
> > > > allow HIV to enter the body. Direct absorption of HIV through
> > > > the mucous membranes that line the vagina also is a possibility.
> > > >
> > > > The male may be at less risk for HIV transmission than the female
> > > > through vaginal intercourse. However, HIV can enter the body of the
> > > > male through his urethra (the opening at the tip of the penis) or
> > > > through small cuts or open sores on the penis.
> > >
> > > Blood pressure prevents this.
> >
> > Blood comes out of the urethra?
>
> No..it keeps the urethra tightly closed until forced open by exiting semen.
Did you know in 1966 95% of U.S. soldiers in Vietnam had contracted
VD?
>
>
> >
> > J
>
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> L: This seems to have reduced my spam. Maybe if everyone does it we
> can defeat the email search bots. [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shalala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakhan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
>
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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does Linux need for the desktop?
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:45:31 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> What version of xfree are you running? I didn't have to set up anything. I
> installed SuSE Linux 7.1 Pro, reboot, and voila, instant anti-aliasing.
It's either 4.0.3 or 4.0.1 - I don't have the machine handy to find out.
I seem to remember it needs to be accelerated and xdpyinfo indicates
it's not.
--
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Pete Goodwin
All your no fly zone are belong to us
My opinions are my own
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From: chrisv <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: EXTRA EXTRA MS ADMITS!!!!
Date: Fri, 18 May 2001 13:41:44 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) wrote:
>Yeah, Intel doesn't make a RISC processor. They think RISC stinks.
>
>Nice try EF. Thanks for playing.
Does not Intel own and manufacture the ARM processor?
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