Linux-Advocacy Digest #634, Volume #30 Sun, 3 Dec 00 19:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their cheap PC's? (jtnews)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's? (jtnews)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:37:22 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>> You'd be surprised....
> >>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >> We're talking about intuition, not incompetence.
>
> > Put an electric appliance in front of somebody who has never
> > used an electric appliance before, and you'll learn that there
> > is absolutely NOTHING intuitive about on/off switches.
>
> Once again, you're hypothesizing a situation that precludes
> intuition.
No, you idiot.
"Intuition" about devices where the mechanism is hidden does not exist.
For example, you can look at a gear train, and have an intuitive
guess about how it's going to work....
but if the gears are hidden in a gear box, then the concept
of intuition goes out the window.
Is any of this getting through to you, shit for brains?
>
> > They are merely FAMILIAR, not intuitive.
>
> How is an electric appliance familiar to someone who has never
> used an electic appliance before?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:22:32 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tim Smith wrote:
> >
> > On Sat, 02 Dec 2000 18:38:26 -0500, Glitch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >well to be honest the legal system never thought we would have such a
> > >crybaby loser like we have with Gore so b/c of him we are having a 30
> > >day election instead of a 1 day election with some votes counted 5 times
> > >and the other 95% counted once.
> >
> > So you think Gore should just give up, even though the difference in the
> > current totals is well under the margin of error for the way the votes
> > were counted? There are many sources of errors in vote counting, and
> > normally these don't matter, because the difference is big enough that
> > even if all the errors went the same way, it would not have made a
> > difference. That's not so in this case. That fact that every time they
> > use a more accurate counting method, the difference narrows, indicates
> > that they have not yet found a good procedure. Gore owes it to those
> > who voted for him to keep fighting until there is actually good evidence
> > that he is not rightful winner.
>
> If Bush were on the other side of this count, his party would be just
> as contentious and whiny (you'd see posters like "Bash/Shamey" or
> "Bosh/Shammy" or somesuch).
>
> What the frikkin' pundits don't mention is that, in 1960, when Tricky
> Dick narrowly lost, the Republican party litigated in the same way
> as the Democrats now.
As well they should with Daley's Chicago and all the rumors (facts rather)
of corruption, voter fraud, voter intimidation, coaching, etc that cost
Nixon the election.
Let us also remember that Nixon only litigated for at the most two weeks
and then bowed out. It's now over three weeks and Gore continues to
manipulate and piss on the Rule of Law to weasel himself into office.
-Chad
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:38:21 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>> You'd be surprised....
> >>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >> We're talking about intuition, not incompetence.
>
> > Put an electric appliance in front of somebody who has never
> > used an electric appliance before, and you'll learn that there
> > is absolutely NOTHING intuitive about on/off switches.
>
> Once again, you're hypothesizing a situation that precludes
> intuition.
>
> > They are merely FAMILIAR, not intuitive.
>
> How is an electric appliance familiar to someone who has never
> used an electic appliance before?
PRECISELY, shit-head
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:38:59 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> > Tim Smith wrote:
>
> >>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>> Only to those with previous experience with power switches.
> >>>
> >>> Put a computer in front of a person from a remote village which
> >>> has no electrical service, and let's see how "intuitive" the
> >>> power switch is.
>
> >> OK, now you are getting silly. Give those villagers electricity, and
> >> all the usual electrical applicances other than computers, and let them
> >> become comfortable with them, THEN give them a computer. The power switch
> >> on the computer will be intuitive to them.
> >>
> >> You are confusing "intuitive" with "instinctive".
>
> > http://www.asktog.com/papers/raskinintuit.html
> >
> > Jeff Raskin, "Intuitive Equals Familiar", Communications of the ACM,
> > vol 37, no 9, Sept, 1994, pg 17.
>
> Why are you citing evidence that destroys your argument, Aaron?
> Familiarity (or experience, to use my word for it) does not have
> to be universal before something can be declared "intuitive".
> Here's a good rule of thumb: if you need to consult the manual,
> it's not intuitive.
Your willful mis-interpretation does not a good argument make.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:40:27 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> A aron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >>>>> I wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>>>> You'd be surprised....
> >>>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >>>> The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
> >>>>
> >>>> Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
> >>>> and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
> >>> I'm in agreement.
>
> >> You shouldn't be. His example doesn't represent proof for a power
> >> switch not being intuitive.
>
> > Then please provide a COGENT differing explanation.
>
> I already provided a cogent explanation.
>
> >>> The language I used, in hindsight, was wrong.
>
> >> That doesn't justify your agreement.
>
> >>> Read: Never underestimate the ignorance factor.
> >>>
> >>> I used "idiot" because i'ts been one of those nights...
>
> >> Go to the store. Buy a lamp. Take it home. Do you consult a manual
> >> to find out what to do with the cord? I hope not. Yet the hypothesized
>
> > That's because people who live with electrical appliances KNOW
> > that plugging in is part of the "installation" process.
>
> So naturally you try to disprove the intuitive part of it by hypothesizing
> someone who doesn't live with electrical appliances. That's where your
> argument fails.
Tholen's refusal to understand the argument is NOT a strike against
the argument...merely yet another data point demonstrating why in 12
years, the idiot has never made a clueful post anywhere on the internet.
>
> >> "primative tribesman" could have no idea what the cord is for. Does that
> >> prove that the power cord is not intuitive?
>
> > Precisely.
>
> Yet that's what you tried to do.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:41:15 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >> I wrote:
>
> >>> Tom Wilson writes:
>
> >>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >>>>>> I wrote:
>
> >>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>>>>> You'd be surprised....
> >>>>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >>>>> The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
> >>>>> and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
> >>>> I'm in agreement.
>
> >>> You shouldn't be. His example doesn't represent proof for a power
> >>> switch not being intuitive.
>
> >> I'm agreeing that my choice of "idiot" was wrong. The hypothesis, strange as
> >> it is, points it out. It's a matter of experience and environment, not
> >> intellect. I used the word idiot because I had been trouble-shooting over
> >> the phone to complete morons that evening and had a dim view of humanity as
> >> a result.
>
> >>>> The language I used, in hindsight, was wrong.
>
> >>> That doesn't justify your agreement.
>
> >> How do you figure? I was agreeing that my wording was off track and Aaron's
> >> post had pointed that out.
>
> >>>> Read: Never underestimate the ignorance factor.
>
> >>>> I used "idiot" because i'ts been one of those nights...
>
> >>> Go to the store. Buy a lamp. Take it home. Do you consult a manual
> >>> to find out what to do with the cord? I hope not. Yet the hypothesized
> >>> "primative tribesman" could have no idea what the cord is for. Does that
> >>> prove that the power cord is not intuitive?
>
> >> Oh for God's sake!
> >>
> >> His hypothesis was extreme, yes. However, it makes a valid point regarding
> >> experience. You're bordering on anal retention, i'm afraid.
>
> > Everything about Tholen is anus-related.
>
> Even more invective.
^^^^^^^^^
YOu misspelled "truth"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:42:40 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> >>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
> >>>>>>> Donovan Rebbechi writes:
>
> >>>>>>>> The movement keys are placed sensibly in vi (hjkl),
>
> >>>>>>> Which is not intuitive. First-time vi users, if they try to do
>
> >>>>>> Big fucking deal. NOTHING about computers is "intuitive"
>
> >>>>> Incorrect; consider the power switch.
>
> >>>> You'd be surprised....
> >>>> Never underestimate the idiot factor.
>
> >>> The power switch is NOT "intuitive"
>
> >> You mean you need to consult a manual to learn how to turn a computer
> >> on???
>
> >>> Proof: put a primative tribesman in a room with electric appliances
> >>> and tell him to start the things into operation.
>
> >> How does that represent proof for your claim? Intuition comes from
> >> experience. If you don't have the experience, then you need to consult
> >> a manual. You're hypothesizing a situation in which there is no
> >> experience.
>
> > Circular argument.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> > You lose
>
> Also incorrect.
>
> > Dumbass.
>
> Ah, the invective I've come to expect from people who don't have a
> logical response.
You're just pissed off because you're being identified for
the brainless loser that you are.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's?
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 17:54:00 -0600
"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> I did some looking into that, but I can't seem to get the volume
> discount prices on components that Dell gets. I always come out worse
> off, even at places like pricewatch.com after I buy everything I need.
Let's check it out:
I found this dealer on the pricewatch page:
http://www.cpusolutions.com/pw.htm
The "Fully Loaded System (Unassembled)" item will give you:
ATX Mid-tower case with power supply
Celeron 600 with CPU Fan
64MB of memory ($22 extra)
Floppy, 52x CDROM, Keyboard, Onboard Audio and Video, Onboard 56K modem and
Onboard 10/100 Ethernet
10.2 GB hard drive.
All for $441.
With no OS.
Hell, you could upgrade it to a PIII 800 and still pay less than you'd pay
for the Dell.
And, to top it off, the integrated Video is a nvidia TNT2 chipset.
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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:51:17 -0500
From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their cheap PC's?
Donovan Rebbechi wrote:
> It didn't "run Linux great". The sound card didn't work, for example.
A Yamaha YMF724 driver was supported by 4Front Technologies at
www.opensound.com at the time I bought my V400c, I just didn't know
it at the time, and when I found out that they did support it, they
wanted money (like $20) for the driver. I was just waiting around for
the
free one.
Apparently Yamaha was very slow in releasing specs to the ALSA project.
That's the only reason it took so long. So yes, the sound chipset
was supported and did work. And Linux worked just fine with the
Dimension
V400c.
>
> It's all well to say that they should offer the Dimension-L with Linux,
> but when released, it didn't work with Linux AT ALL, and even now, it's
> pretty questionable (because of the onboard intel video which requires
> a special kernel module)
I'm a little confused by what you're saying here, are you referring to
my
old Dell Dimension V400c or the new Dell I was referring to in my
previous post? In V400c case, Linux did work. And the only issue
of concern at the present time for the new Dell is support for the
graphics
chip.
I'm currently researching whether the Intel 3D AGP graphics chipset is
supported in XFree86. If I find that it is supported in either XFree86
3.3.6
or XFree86 4.x, I'll buy the machine and test to see if Linux really
works.
If it does work, I'll post my results to comp.os.linux.advocacy.
Another issue regarding the new Dell is whether the CD-RW drive will
work
with Linux. I'm not sure which CD-RW drive they use. I'll have to do
some research on this too.
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
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Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 23:52:46 GMT
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
>
> And I agree with your comments. The Democrats haven't supported
> the middle class in 20 or more years.
>
> We have become a nation of extremist parties.
> You are either extreme rightwing or your extreme leftwing and
> the middle ground where most of us stand is not being represented.
>
> This in itself is an extremely dangerous thing.
Ya damn liberal! <grin>
"Liberal" now is as bad as "Commie" used to be! What a world!
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Date: Sun, 03 Dec 2000 18:54:50 -0500
From: jtnews <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's?
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
>
> The "Fully Loaded System (Unassembled)" item will give you:
>
> ATX Mid-tower case with power supply
> Celeron 600 with CPU Fan
> 64MB of memory ($22 extra)
> Floppy, 52x CDROM, Keyboard, Onboard Audio and Video, Onboard 56K modem and
> Onboard 10/100 Ethernet
> 10.2 GB hard drive.
>
> All for $441.
that's interesting but I need a CD-RW drive.
plus i want Creative Soundblaster chipset and a linksys 10/100 pci
ethernet card.
The nvidia chipset probably would be ok though.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:00:28 -0600
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Do you know how you remove TCP from Linux? It requires a kernel
recompile.
> > So Yes, it does require a reboot to remove it and another reboot to add
it
> > back in.
>
> I think Nigel was referring to the disabling of various TCP/IP services,
which
> do not require a reboot.
This started with mlw pointing out that you needed a reboot to remove TCP/IP
from windows. I'm pointing out that you need to reboot to remove it from
Linux as well.
> I'm glad you pointed out that you CAN remove TCP/IP (and other modules)
> from Linux, since you can't do that in any Windozzzzzzzzz version.
> Although you might be able to remove some DLLs and put up with chronic
> error messages (?)
Of course you can remove TCP/IP. Open the network settings dialog, click
TCP/IP and click remove. It's gone. No error messages.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: how come Dell makes you buy Windows with all their PC's?
Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2000 18:06:11 -0600
"jtnews" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> > The "Fully Loaded System (Unassembled)" item will give you:
> >
> > ATX Mid-tower case with power supply
> > Celeron 600 with CPU Fan
> > 64MB of memory ($22 extra)
> > Floppy, 52x CDROM, Keyboard, Onboard Audio and Video, Onboard 56K modem
and
> > Onboard 10/100 Ethernet
> > 10.2 GB hard drive.
> >
> > All for $441.
>
> that's interesting but I need a CD-RW drive.
> plus i want Creative Soundblaster chipset and a linksys 10/100 pci
> ethernet card.
> The nvidia chipset probably would be ok though.
Fine, you want a CD-RW, add $149, still cheaper than the dell.
Why do you want the crappy soundblaster chip?
The audio and network chips on this board are:
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