Linux-Advocacy Digest #634, Volume #34 Sun, 20 May 01 01:13:02 EDT
Contents:
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Terry Porter)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Rick)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. (Terry Porter)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. ("Osugi Sakae")
Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Advice needed. (Roy Culley)
Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway. ("Osugi Sakae")
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop (Prospero)
Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better) (Ed Allen)
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! (Jon Melbo)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 20 May 2001 03:43:48 GMT
On Sat, 19 May 2001 23:41:35 GMT, Brad Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In ashen ink, the dread hand of Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
>> >Ah yes, I love the documentation in SuSE 7.1, the stuff
> written
>> in German in an English book...
>
> /me pulls out the 63 page Quick Install Manual... nope, English
> /me pulls out the 106 page Applications book... English
> /me looks at the 261 page Configuration book... English
>
> Well that covers the Personal edition, lets look at the 581 page
> Handbook (easily the equal to Running Linux, by O'Reilly) SuSE
> adds to the Professional edition.... still English.
>
> Pete, do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Pete is somewhat of a contradiction to me, at times he seems
quite reasonable, then he makes a claim like this?
Does Pete Goodwin, really think people who do the things, that
he is unable to do, and on a daily basis, believe these claims?
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:48:30 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > I see no grammar mistake here. Rick seems to
> > > feel that Microsoft has founded a monopoly,
> > > so that they can, er, have a monopoly.
> >
> > Tell it to the FTC, the EU, the DOJ, the several States Attorneys
> > General and the several companies that have filed suit.
>
> But they didn't say it.
Um, thats why all those guys keep trying to get m$ into court. Are you
really this stupid?
> Those guys seem to feel that
> Microsoft founded a monopoly in order to raise
> prices.
>
Duh. When DR-DOS was around, m$ dropped DOS prices and added the
features that Digiatl included.. After DR-DOS was effectively killed M4
raised the prices again. becasue of economies of scale, window$ should
be much cheaper. It isnt.
> [snip]
> > > I do not give your legal weight much credit, but I find
> > > your reasoning here quite provocative.
> > >
> > > You seem to understand that end-users are not
> > > idiots; why do you think they react to this
> > > "monopolization" by all buying Microsoft?
> >
> > Becasue thats what there?
>
> It's not the only thing there.
>
Its what everyone else uses.
> [snip]
> > > We haven't really tried to argue about that yet; I
> > > suspect we can't do so until you tell us all what
> > > you mean by "unreasonable restraint of trade".
> >
> > Its been explained to you countless times using direct quotes and
> > internal email and memos. You choose to ignore the explanation.
>
> I certainly would miss it, were it somehow
> encoded into internal emails and memos from
> somewhere.
Nobody presented you with anything that was encoded. it was in plain
english that you refuse to understand.
> What a breathtakingly weird way
> to explain what "unreasonable restraint of trade"
> is.
>
Plain English, expalin how m$ was going to kill off something or other.
You refuse to acknowledge it.
> [snip]
More context removing snips.
--
Rick
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From: Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sat, 19 May 2001 23:50:15 -0400
Daniel Johnson wrote:
>
> "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > > I think you should stop flinging gratuitous insults
> > > when you lose arguments, Max. That question
> > > wasn't even for you; I know you don't agree
> > > with Rick on this point, and I wouldn't
> > > expect you to defend him here.
> >
> > Just what argument did Max lose?
>
> He seem to have given up trying to defend
> the notion that Windows is inferior for now.
>
No, its been inferior, or at leat mediocre, for years.
> I think he lost that one.
>
He didnt lose. You dont think.
> > It looks to me like he calling you on
> > an honesty issue.
>
> Maybe. I don't yet know what "dishonesty" means
> in Max-speak very clearly. I know it doesn't
> have anything much to do with, say, lying,
> but that's all.
I gues you really are ignorant. Get a dictionary. look up dishonest.
Thats what he was calling you.
--
Rick
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Terry Porter)
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Reply-To: No-Spam
Date: 20 May 2001 03:49:43 GMT
On Sat, 19 May 2001 19:13:49 GMT,
Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I changed my motherboard recently, and swapped sound card. Windows had to
> reboot about four or six times (your '22' seems laughable). Linux had no
> propblems - except it left the old setup for the old sound card and I had
> to manually intervene to fix it. The installation/detection stuff still has
> a way to go.
Only in areas of putting Linux into "safe mode", or rendering the Linux box
unbootable. However I suspect that in these areas, Windows will reign supreme
for some time to come.
>
>> And the huge online source and newsgoups (not this one) and local user
>> groups. The resources for help are far more accessable than what you can
>> find for losedos.
>
> You mean fanatical user groups.
OS's are fanatical things Pete, you know that. Its the reason you troll
on COLA.
>
> --
> Pete
>
--
Kind Regards
Terry
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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:48:12 +0900
In article <3yzN6.7900$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Pete Goodwin"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Terry Porter wrote:
>> Easy saving of all configs, bookmarks, news_posts, etc, are saved in
>> the /home directory for a reason, and thats to make upgrading,
>> re-installs etc, as EASY as possible.
>
> What about the system configuration stored in /etc? Is that compatible
> across different distros?
fair question. depends on what program would be my guess. However, a
simple backup of a text file makes it easy to restore configs even if the
distro puts it in a slightly different place. Just find the new config
file, compare it to the old version and if everything is cool, replace
new with old. Wasn't a different distro, but i did this with my cups
config file and my .fetchmailrc when i fresh install upgraded from
mandrake 7.2 to 8.0.
>> Linux makes life easier for its users, in many of ways.
>
> And makes life harder in others, in many ways.
As does every operating system. All have +'s and -'s. Me, I prefer text
config files and a transparent os.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy, comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Linux Advocacy - Wintroll Mission
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 04:49:40 GMT
I read this a little while ago in another message.
==============================================================
Does Pete Goodwin, really think people who do the things, that
he is unable to do, and on a daily basis, believe these claims?
==============================================================
It's a statement made frequently by Linux advocates.
Of course not. The WINTROLL'S mission is to muddy
the water.
The whole reason this person has made the statement
is he can't believe Pete Goodwin continually posts
messages about his troubles installing Linux.
Yet Pete Goodwin has also said repeatedly that
Linux is a threat to his job as he writes
drivers for Windows. He feels threatened.
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Business doesn't care about our opinions. If your
offended by something posted on COLA or for that matter
any newsgroup then you were the person to blame.
You pushed the button. You can ignore posts.
Business has one simple objective. To make a profit.
The more they can increase sales and reduce the
expenses the more that profit becomes.
A Redhat equipped Web server is less than 1/10 the
cost of an equivalent Microsoft server.
There has never been a sucessful company who's
chose the more expensive way of doing business.
Therefore the Wintroll's mission is a waste of
time for Microsoft's side. And it's damn good
cheap advertising for Linux. Because even
the stupid don't buy it.
Why don't they buy it?
Well try this. A guy posts 10,000 fucking messages
to COLA and Microsoft Newsgroups about why he
has trouble installing Mandrake, why does Mandrake
screw up on an upgrade, and the guy does this for
2 straight years, most people view him as a fucking
idiot! They ask the question, why haven't you just
gone back to Windows if you feel that way? Why
have you been posting messages for 2 straight years
about your Linux troubles - AT HOME! The man
has a choice? What is this? Is this the twighlight
ZONE! Is the man locked in some kind of time tunnel!
And the more you think about this and the more
you do the GOOGLE research you see that these
same Linux badmouths have been posting bad things
about Linux for years! Why are they still experimenting?
What human being would give up all that Sports on
the weekend television to post to COLA and MS newsgroups
almost around the clock? Why? Why? Why?
Well some do it because they are like Pete Goodwin.
They are fearfull of loosing their jobs working with
Windows so they spend 100% of their spare time
trashing Linux to help sway public opinion.
Others are more sinister in nature. They have such
a broad range of comments, ususally linked to MS
supported WEB SITES run by MS supported MEDIA that
it's very obvious MS is paying them to duce us.
And as an intelligent business person, what are
you to say about all this activity? Why would
these people spend all their time glued to
COLA and MS newsgroups posting every 5 minutes
on average to every message put there?????
That's alot of dedicated time.
And that's why I say they are the best Linux
advertising in the world. They draw so
much attention to the OS by doing so, and
they don't even realize this.
And I've asked them to quit doing it, but
the more you ask them to quit, the more they
go on and on and on.
Linux would win without their help.
MS executives have resigned this year declaring
Linux the leader. They've started up their OWN
Linux based companies to compete now.
Some of these executives were noted as the ones
who drove MS to the top of the list in the first
place.
MS is a company which simply won't have an OS
past 2005. They will turn into an applications
vendor and loose their position in the world.
And all the {WINTROLLS} as we call them, agree.
That's why we see them posting every 5 minutes
to anything posted to COLA in a positive nature.
I'll say it again. It won't be the last time either...
You have to be a total jackass to put your companies
future in the hands of Microsoft.
And I'm still 100% in favor of firing any CEO who
continues to invest their firms future in Microsoft.
MS's campaign slogan is MS, where you want to be today!
Mine is, MS, we're not going to be here tommorrow. C YAH!
And despite my comments and the comments of the WINTROLLS,
Linux is still the #1 fastest growing Market sucess in
the world. It's double that of Microsofts in 2000!
For 4 years now, the #1 growth slot has been earned by
Linux.
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Roy Culley)
Subject: Re: Advice needed.
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 05:23:29 +0200
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Michael Vester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> David Kistner wrote:
<snip>
> Perl is a more general purpose language. It can do dynamic web sites and
> much, much more. Perl has a very steep learning curve. The way Perl
> handles variables is very confusing. Data is scalar, array or hash not
> char, int or boolean; the way you think a language should be. On the plus
> side, Perl has a huge library of code and is widely used. Need more
> speed, use mod Perl, an add on to Apache.
Try python. No more $, @ and % confusion. Perl is still my primary scripting
language. I just wish python had been around a few years earlier.
--
Over 100 security bugs in Microsoft SW last year. An infamous
record. The worst offending piece of SW, by far, IIS. 2001 isn't
looking any better.
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From: "Osugi Sakae" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Mandrake 8 sets the standard - for Desktop users anyway.
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 13:55:19 +0900
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Terry Porter"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 May 2001 23:41:35 GMT, Brad Sims <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> In ashen ink, the dread hand of Pete Goodwin wrote:
>>
>>> >Ah yes, I love the documentation in SuSE 7.1, the stuff
>> written
>>> in German in an English book...
>>
>> /me pulls out the 63 page Quick Install Manual... nope, English /me
>> pulls out the 106 page Applications book... English /me looks at the
>> 261 page Configuration book... English
>>
>> Well that covers the Personal edition, lets look at the 581 page
>> Handbook (easily the equal to Running Linux, by O'Reilly) SuSE adds to
>> the Professional edition.... still English.
>>
>> Pete, do you ever get tired of being wrong?
>
> Pete is somewhat of a contradiction to me, at times he seems quite
> reasonable, then he makes a claim like this?
>
> Does Pete Goodwin, really think people who do the things, that he is
> unable to do, and on a daily basis, believe these claims?
IIRC, some review mentioned that there was some German sprinkled in with
the english docs. When i ran SuSE 6.? about a year or so ago, German
words popped up in the weirdest places.
But, if Pete is trying to make the case that too much of the
documentation has German, I think (as least for 6.?) he is wrong.
Besides, I like the fact that the os i use is actively developed all over
the globe and isn't controlled by one company. So the docs occasionally
have a few non-English words. Big deal. Rather the distros concentrated
on the technology and not spend any more than absolutely necessary on
marketing and translation.
Still be nice if some distro would use / improve some free documentation
rather than continually writing their own copyrighted, don't-copy-this
documentation. Then Pete could correct the German for them and everyone
would be happier.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 04:52:54 GMT
In article <04GN6.2052$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Society wrote:
>"You've got MALE.. sex organs!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> Kulkis is an idiot.
>>
>> But then I repeat myself.
>
>You all do realize that Aaron Kulkis is an operative
>whose mission is to lure you into wasting your time
>instead of doing anything that might challenge the
>"Windows domination of the desktop", don't you?
>
>Or maybe you don't. Ha, ha.
>
>And all your wasted time is keeping you out
>of circulation with the good lookers, too.
>
>--
> Too many Americans can't laugh at themselves anymore.
>
> #35 in Rush Limbaugh's "35 Undeniable Truths"
>
Considering the state of the economy now as opposed to last year,
I wouldn't care if Clinton had sex with a collie twice a week
if we could have him back.
Bush sucks and Linux is the #1 fastest growing OS in the world
for the 4th straight year in a row now.
Only deal in FACTS! Don't quote Rush Limbaugh.
--
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Prospero)
Crossposted-To: soc.men,soc.singles,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Why Linux Is no threat to Windows domination of the desktop
Date: 20 May 2001 04:55:07 GMT
"You've got MALE.. sex organs!" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Kulkis is an idiot.
>
>But then I repeat myself.
>
Interminably.
--
Brock
"I was born when she kissed me. I died when she left me.
I lived a few weeks while she loved me."
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Linux posts #1 TPC-H result (W2K still better)
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ed Allen)
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 05:01:07 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>It's kind of like shooting rabbits with a shotgun.
>
>No sport in it.
>
No meat either. My uncle spooked a rabbit about two feet ahead of
him. The motion caused him to swing down and fire at under ten
feet.
All we ever found was a few tufts of fur.
Kind of like the FUD vaporizes when exposed for the half truths and
outright lies that it really consists of.
--
Microsoft Motto: Illegal we do immediately.
Unconstitutional takes a little longer.
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Linux -- The Unix defragmentation tool.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jon Melbo)
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 20 May 2001 05:08:08 GMT
The Apple II's graphics weren't very good or advanced compared to
other 8 bit machines of the day. The C64 was better as was the Atari
800 line.
Apple Works was a great package. It would be hard to say it was
better than Wordstar, 123, and dBASE on a PC though. Still, it was a
very nice package.
Programs that used compiled (and certainly interpreted) code typically
were noticeably poorer performers than those written in assembly.
This is still true today, though there is so little (relatively
speaking) written in assembly that it is hard to compare. Now only
critical timing, small procedures / functions, system level type stuff
is done in assembly anymore. In the good ole' days of the 8-bits,
entire applications were written using assembly because the
performance was just too poor without it, or every last byte of memory
needed to be conserved and hand tweaked assembly was the only / best
way.
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