Linux-Advocacy Digest #764, Volume #30 Sat, 9 Dec 00 13:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Joe Malloy")
Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability (SwifT -)
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux lacks ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability (SwifT -)
Re: What does KDE do after all (SwifT -)
Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability (SwifT -)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux (Charlie Ebert)
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From: "Joe Malloy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 12:14:40 -0500
Tholen tholes with precision for once:
> >> Your "infantile game" is pretty useless, Marty.
>
> > I see you avoided the question and resorted to invective.
>
> Where is the alleged invective, Marty? I'm simply your own description
> for your own behavior.
Yes, there you have it, folks, straight from the horse's patoot, Tholen
admits that he's a "description for your [Marty's] behavior". You read it
here second!
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From: SwifT - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:32:07 +0100
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, mlw wrote:
> Service packs are not bad, however, there is a point of contention about
> them that is being missed. Linux (and most other non MS-OS for that
> matter) issue upgrades for improved functionality, better driver
> support, or more features. Rarely is there ever an update that claims
> to fix instability.
Instability, no. Bug-fixes yes. Not more than security, but they are
their. I know, Linux is more stable than NT. That's true (otherwise I
would stick with NT). Linux probably will stay more stable than NT till
the limit of stability. But a super-stable system or a stable system, from
the moment they are good enough to serve the web, other parts are
calculated within. The use of NT or Linux or others then simply comes down
to two single things:
1/ Does the server have to service Microsoft-services. If yes, NT is your
choice.
2/ What speciality does the IT-specialist have? MS WinNT Server or *nix
administrating.
I just try to say that, for server-side, NT is stable enough (and therefor
adequate). Security is a little problem, but Linux has this problem too.
*BSD has less problems on that side.
> Being the "best Windows-version" ever built is hardly an achievement.
> One can liken it to being the best checkers player or the best
> tic-tac-toe player. Very little is required to attain this status, and
> it is hardly worth mentioning.
But it is a good start. It always has to develop. And when they develop
something that is already the "best" version, it (hopefully, Microsoft
has strange ways) becomes even better.
And please don't read my mails wrongly. I adore Linux. I think it is the
best OS ever build (well, from all the OS'sen I have personally checked),
but we may not think that Microsoft Windows is out of the game. It is a
competitor, with the strongest side being the economical market. And it
does have some good points.
--
SwifT
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:48:01 -0500
Swangoremovemee wrote:
>
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 17:30:21 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Swangoremovemee wrote:
> >>
> >> On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 05:56:06 GMT, kiwiunixman
> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> ><snip>
> >> >
> >> >The big question is whether it (swang) pays for his software, or does it
> >> >steal it? I pay for all my software, and as a result, I reap the
> >>
> >> Bought every version of Windows except the comp ones I got for being
> >> in the various beta test programs I have participated in. Even have a
> >> vintage copy of Windows 2.0 here.
> >>
> >
> >Translation: he's 100% brainwashed.
> >
> >
> >> What does that have to do with anything?
> >>
> >> And who cares if "you" buy all of your software, except Microsoft I
> >> suppose.
> >
> >Translation: Swango is a software pirate.
>
> Can't you LIE-Sux supporters read?
> I said "I" own all my software.
> I said who cares what "YOU" do.
>
> Geeze it gets annoying having to keep educating you drips....
Let's see if you edumacation stands up to my education.
MY EDUCATION is from Purdue University, School of Interdisciplinary
Engineering, specializing in Computer Systems Engineering, core
curriculum consisting of Electrical Engineering, Computer Science,
and Computer Engineering classes.
>
> Swango
> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:49:43 -0500
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> SwifT - wrote:
>
> > A lot of internet-servers run WinNT
>
> Does that speak well of NT, or of MS's marketing abilities?
>
> As of a few months ago, a free operating system built by hobbyists was
> running a larger percentage of the world's Web sites than NT, with all MS's
> billions in research and marketing to prop it up. What's a feller to
> conclude from that?
>
Must........not.........ask.........embarassing.....questions.......
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:50:46 -0500
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > Well...in that case, Lose2K *MIGHT* be ready for primetime
> > sometime around 2010.
>
> Not at all. Their Next Unix Killer (tm) will be out sometime around 2003-2005,
> and they won't be interested in W2K anymore. Then we'll have billfans here
> telling us "Yeah, W2K was lame, but NUK (tm) is great, or it least it will be
> when they get the initial bugs out of it."
Introducing Microsoft Wheel 2.0.
Upgraded from 3 sides to 4.
>
> Bobby Bryant
> Austin, Texas
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 12:55:34 -0500
"Bobby D. Bryant" wrote:
>
> Aaron Ginn wrote:
>
> > I don't do games, but Windows is definately the winner here.
>
> 5 years ago I might have agreed with you. But the simple fact is... I
> haven't liked any of the last five COTS games I've bought. They're kind
> of like Windows and recent excuses for Sci Fi movies: all glitz and
> techno-flash, but no substance. So I play FreeCiv now and then, and I'm
> tinkering away on a game of my own ("if you want it done right, ..."),
Did you ever play any board wargames?
I've always been interested in writing a good post-WW1 tactical game
(similar to Squad Leader by Avalon Hill)....
I think that the simplest way to do this is to make every aspect of
the game an independant process (even the terrain!).
But, I still haven't worked out all of the details.
I think the whole thing could be done with named pipes.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: SwifT - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:48:36 +0100
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
> Does that speak well of NT, or of MS's marketing abilities?
Marketing abilities. Although if NT was a really weak, flawfull OS, it
would reach this numbers.
> As of a few months ago, a free operating system built by hobbyists was
> running a larger percentage of the world's Web sites than NT, with all MS's
> billions in research and marketing to prop it up. What's a feller to
> conclude from that?
That that free operating system is better than NT. (which, what I am
trying to say, doesn't mean that NT is not good at server-side, just that
compared to that free operating system it does its job less good).
--
SwifT
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From: SwifT - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What does KDE do after all
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:56:46 +0100
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> If it's a datagram socket, yes.
Aren't pipes only for streams?
Can I then conclude that, for interprocess communication bytestreams,
pipes and sockets are alike, but that sockets, in general, have more
functionality?
--
SwifT
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From: SwifT - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Just in case anybody is wondering about reliability
Date: Sat, 9 Dec 2000 18:51:59 +0100
On Fri, 8 Dec 2000, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> Hmm.. seems like every patch in the 2.2 kernel says fix for this bug, or fix
> for that bug, usually listing memory leaks, driver bugs, and all sorts of
> stuff. Yeah, they included new functionality as well, but then so do the
> NT4 service packs. Starting with Win2k, service packs will not add new
> functionality, just bug fixes.
NT SP bugfixes outnumber thoses of the kernel. Most bugfixes in kernels
are meant for the unstable kernels (2.odd.* or 2.even.*-test??-pre??).
--
SwifT
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:01:10 GMT
On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 16:37:33 GMT,
Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Truckasaurus" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:90rvcr$g4h$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> It is time to look at predictions for the year past - 2000:
>> This one's by Drestin Black:
>> "Message-ID: <hrlL3.7102$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> I'll argue with you there. I am willing to take a double or nothing bet
>> from
>> you, Windows 2000 will sell 2x more copies than the combined sales of
>> Linux
>> in 2000."
>>
>> Sadly enough, I think Dres wins this one. But if you look at it, it's
>> kind of a wussy guess - I mean Win has 90% of the desktop market...
>
>Not really considering the main Penguinistas have been predicting for
>awhile now that Linux growth will skyrocket, which it certainly hasn't done.
>
>I bet if you look at the context of the predictions that Drestin made,
>someone was claiming that no one will buy Win2K and that Linux will start
>it's rise to domination, which certinaly hasn't happened in the least.
>
>-Chad
W2k was Microsoft's worst seller yet.
And Linux actually has taken off here in the U.S.
And Linux's popularity in non-us countries show's
growth rates above 40% per year depending on
country.
Microsoft has made the most money from 95 and 98
so far.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:06:04 GMT
On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 08:40:16 GMT,
Chad C. Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 04:56:04 GMT,
>> Chad C. Mulligan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >Linux was used on the Titanic but the render farm had to be augmented by
>> >utilizing NT boxes after they had finished doing the design work. The
>Linux
>> >render farm, as designed wasn't up to the task. If you are looking for
>> >referrences to what I say, check out the TITANIC thread in this group and
>> >COLA from about 20 months ago.
>> >
>>
>> Just so the crowd doesn't think your full of shit,
>> give us just one link to a web site which proves this.
>>
>> Just one.
>>
>
>Try deja.com the whole thread is there in all it's glory. BTW, I cannot
>remember the name of the article that was quoted in that thread by Matt and
>Stephen Edwards. I'm sure a search on deja will return the info you need.
>
Your going to post a newgroup thread for your proof here?
>>
>> >
>> >Really funny, the company I work for at this time does support for
>Disney,
>> >Universal and are negotiating with Paramount and guess what not a Linux
>box
>> >to be found the VP at Universal says they can't use Linux because their
>> >internal TCO study found Linux too high compared to Windows NT.
>> >
>>
>>
>> And what company would that be?
>>
>
>Can't say.
>
>> Thanks for bringing up Disney. They made TRON
>> with a non-windows based computer also.
>>
>
>Amiga IIRC.
>
>> I almost forgot that.
>>
>> As far as your comment about Disney not using Linux
>> or FreeBSD to do animation work, your fucked.
>>
>
>They don't
>
>> Nobody does any sort of animation work on Windows
>> anywhere.
>>
>> You couldn't point us to one web site which does.
>>
>
>Who cares about web sites, I'm talking about movies.
>
Moron. Movies is what we ARE talking about.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 18:09:33 GMT
On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 06:46:54 -0500,
Curtis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert) posted:
>
>| >Linux was used on the Titanic but the render farm had to be augmented by
>| >utilizing NT boxes after they had finished doing the design work. The Linux
>| >render farm, as designed wasn't up to the task. If you are looking for
>| >referrences to what I say, check out the TITANIC thread in this group and
>| >COLA from about 20 months ago.
>| >
>|
>| Just so the crowd doesn't think your full of shit,
>| give us just one link to a web site which proves this.
>|
>| Just one.
>
>http://linux.nuvoli.to.it/varie/titanic/2494.html
>
>You'll see that Digital Unix, NT and Linux were all used.
>
>Both NT and Digital Unix were not selected for the final rendering
>because of cost, not capability.
>
>Linux's kernel needed significant enhancing to made suitable for the
>process, but this is what OSS is about .... having access to source
>which I can't take away as a definite advantage to Linux. :=)
>
>Anyway, the point is that Linux helped in the making of Titanic. It
>wasn't by any stretch of the imagination, exclusively used to create the
>graphics in the Titanic. It proved to be the best choice for the final
>rendering process but it wasn't used for actual design and creation of
>Titanic graphics, that was a job for NT and Digital Unix machines.
>
>--
>Curtis
>
>| ,__o
>!___ _-\_<, An egotist thinks he's in the groove
><(*)>--(*)/'(*)______________________ when he's in a rut.
>
And this is the REAL truth, not some bullshit posting
from a moron who's refering to a newsthread rumor.
Linux is what run's hollywood these days and people
who try Microsoft W2k to perform digital rendering
and colorization of Movies fail every time.
You NEED an operating system to perform these tasks.
Windows is not an operating system.
Charlie
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