Linux-Advocacy Digest #779, Volume #30 Sat, 9 Dec 00 23:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (Marty)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (Woofbert)
Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever (Anonymous)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Bracy")
Re: Uptimes (sfcybear)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (Static66)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution? (Tim Smith)
Re: Uptimes ("Ayende Rahien")
Re: Uptimes (sfcybear)
Re: Uptimes (sfcybear)
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From: Marty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:08:49 GMT
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Marty writes:
>
> >>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> >>>> Joe Malloy wrote:
>
> >>>>> The Tholen tholes:
>
> >>>>>>> I haven't seen any microwaves with an on/off button lately.
>
> >>>>>> Okay then, "Start/Stop", if you must be pedantic.
>
> >>>>> Whoa, this is the pot calling the kettle black! Pedantic to the
> >>>>> point of silliness, Tholen now turns around and uses pedanticism as
> >>>>> an attack. Great going, Tholen, you're really low on the
> >>>>> consistency list now!
>
> >>>> There's a reason why Tholen, in 12 years, has never budged from
> >>>> the TOP of my list as "GODDAMN STUPIDEST FUCKING IDIOT ON USENET"
>
> >>> Has he really been at it for TWELVE YEARS?!
>
> >> Of course not, Marty. Aaron is simply another in a series of liars.
>
> > I've seen nothing that leads me to agree with you.
>
> And you've seen nothing that leads you to agree with Aaron.
Classic pontification.
> Of course, if you can find a USENET posting from me that dates back
> to 1988, feel free to repost it. I know you can't. I know Aaron
> can't.
That doesn't prove that no postings were made by you in that time period.
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From: Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:15:15 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:16:02 GMT, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I read that they haven't built a power plant in over 15 years, yet in
> >> that same time the population of california has basically
> >> doubled...piss poor government planning..
> >
> >How DARE you question the wisdom of the past Republican administrations?
> >CA government has built a *lot* of new jails ... and, in their wisdom,
> >has cut back on building schools and universities because they know that
> >the jail inmates won't be needing the schools. }: )
>
> you don't think the rise in crime is a direct result of the rise in
> population?
That and a lack of education. Now, the recent drop in the crime rate,
which cannot be attributed to the death penalty because it happened in
all states, might be attributable to legalized abortions.
>I think the jails were in order. then again if they would
> execute the murderers, child molesters and other criminal deviants,
> I'm sure we could use that money for schools instead of jails.
It costs as much to execute someone as it does to keep him in jail for
the rest of his life. And a frightening number of people on death row
are innocent. Moreover, murder, child molestation, and "criminal
deviance" -- whatever that is -- are not high on the list of violent
crimes that people suffer. Drug abuse, theft, robbery, assault are the
problems. You'd execute pot smokers?
> I think the lack of power is a direct result of the enviro-nazi
> crusade underway in the country. Having worked in california and being
> directly responsible for my companies "Hazmat" operation I think I can
> speak knowledgeably on that.
Fine. Have it your way: chop down all the trees, dam all the rivers,
suck out all the oil, burn all the coal and fiss all the uranium. Never
mind that you will have a countryside as polluted as Eastern Europe:
we'll all be rich.
--
Woofbert <woofbert at infernosoft dot com>, InfernoSoft Datadroid
http://www.infernosoft.com/company/techsupport.html
"Inside every Microsoft application, there are
several simple programs trying to get out."
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Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windoze 2000 - just as shitty as ever
Date: Sat, 09 Dec 2000 09:24:36 -0500
From: Anonymous <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Said Erik Funkenbusch in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 9 Dec 2000
16:02:32 -0600;
>"Anonymous" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >>No. I stated you had to reboot to remove TCP/IP either in Windows or
>Linux.
>> >>Others in this thread started saying "Why remove it when you can merely
>> >>disable it" and when I said you could disable it the same way under
>Windows,
>> >>you made the claim that you couldn't.
>> >
>> >No that isn't what you said Fukenbush. You said you could remove
>> >TCP/IP from Windows without rebooting. And I said you were full
>> >of shit then.
>>
>> Actually, he's right, Erik. You started out showing how you can remove
>> and then add the protocol, and it will still work, if you ignore the
>> direction to reboot. I corrected that by pointing out that if you do
>> reboot after removing, you have to reboot to add. That's when you
>> switched to talking about binding the protocol, rather than removing it.
>
>No, I didn't and I challenge you to post a deja link to said statement.
a) I don't use deja, and probably won't until somebody tells me I can
take this annoying petition thing out of my sig.
b) You're right, I'd forgotten that you didn't jump in until it was safe
to start talking about removing bindings instead of removing protocols
without anyone else noticing
c) Pity for you I was there, and noticed that you were merely playing
off the confusion caused by the fact that anyone talking about
"disabling the protocol" is going to consider this to be removing the
protocol from Windows, rather than disabling the bindings of the
protocol. The original discussion, IIRC (and I might not, and to tell
you the truth, Erik, I don't fucking care at this point) was about
removing the protocol.
>I started out showing how you can DISABLE TCP/IP, not REMOVE it in a manner
>similar to removing the IP address from an adapter in Linux.
No, the way you described (removing the bindings) IS in a manner similar
to removing the IP addresses from an adapter in Linux. That's the
reason we're still arguing; you think you know better on this point, and
you're wrong.
--
T. Max Devlin
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From: "Bracy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:12:42 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"SwifT -" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> There aren't any registration-obligatories ...
Not only that, but the current support model of most Linux companies
actually *discourages* one from registering the product. For instance,
most Linux distros provide 60- or 90- days of free technical support
*FROM THE TIME THAT YOU REGISTER.* For this reason, I
never register immediately. If I did, my support period would more
then likely expire before I need support.
Bracy
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:17:03 GMT
In article <wmBY5.14737$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:90udfj$7ro$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Allow me to rephrase:
> >
> > You are making a claim about the mentioned numbers that clearly
indicates
> > you are attempting to refute Netcraft numbers (as per your prior
claims).
> > However, the numbers you are attempting to refute are numbers from
> > uptime.net, and therefore would require a different refutation as
the
> claims
> > made against Netcraft do not apply to uptime.net.
> >
>
> Sorry I misread your site referrence. I translated as I would reading
> Matt's sloppy typing. Glad you agree about Netcraft's stats.
Nope I was thanking the person or pointing out that you were using the
wrong stats, Nothing more.
Well, I attribute it to your sloppy reading!
I do agree that Netcraft is a quotable souce with Microsoft, CNN, PC
Magazine, The Economist and did I say Microsoft? have all used Netcraft
as a quotable source. If even MS used netcraft, I have no problem with
the data.
http://www.netcraft.com/news.html
> You wouldn't
> now how uptime gets their figures would you?
Yes, Unlike you I can read and navigate a web site. All the information
is there, if you can find it.
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From: Static66 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:31:35 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:15:15 GMT, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 01:16:02 GMT, Woofbert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Static66
>> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >
>> >> I read that they haven't built a power plant in over 15 years, yet in
>> >> that same time the population of california has basically
>> >> doubled...piss poor government planning..
>> >
>> >How DARE you question the wisdom of the past Republican administrations?
>> >CA government has built a *lot* of new jails ... and, in their wisdom,
>> >has cut back on building schools and universities because they know that
>> >the jail inmates won't be needing the schools. }: )
>>
>> you don't think the rise in crime is a direct result of the rise in
>> population?
>
>That and a lack of education. Now, the recent drop in the crime rate,
>which cannot be attributed to the death penalty because it happened in
>all states, might be attributable to legalized abortions.
OK
>
>>I think the jails were in order. then again if they would
>> execute the murderers, child molesters and other criminal deviants,
>> I'm sure we could use that money for schools instead of jails.
>
>It costs as much to execute someone as it does to keep him in jail for
>the rest of his life. And a frightening number of people on death row
>are innocent. Moreover, murder, child molestation, and "criminal
>deviance" -- whatever that is -- are not high on the list of violent
>crimes that people suffer. Drug abuse, theft, robbery, assault are the
>problems. You'd execute pot smokers?
So in your mind child molesters should walk?
No I think pot is less harmful than alcohol actually.
Crack,herion,cocaine, meth thats another story.
it does not cost more to execute a murderer than to jail him for life.
Validate your claim with data...
>
>> I think the lack of power is a direct result of the enviro-nazi
>> crusade underway in the country. Having worked in california and being
>> directly responsible for my companies "Hazmat" operation I think I can
>> speak knowledgeably on that.
>
>Fine. Have it your way: chop down all the trees, dam all the rivers,
>suck out all the oil, burn all the coal and fiss all the uranium. Never
>mind that you will have a countryside as polluted as Eastern Europe:
>we'll all be rich.
All or nothing huh?? couldn't possibly build a responsible and safe
facility could we..might kill a ladybug in the process. maybe we
should outlaw electricity...
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Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:33:45 GMT
Marty writes:
>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>>>>> Joe Malloy wrote:
>>>>>>> The Tholen tholes:
>>>>>>>>> I haven't seen any microwaves with an on/off button lately.
>>>>>>>> Okay then, "Start/Stop", if you must be pedantic.
>>>>>>> Whoa, this is the pot calling the kettle black! Pedantic to the
>>>>>>> point of silliness, Tholen now turns around and uses pedanticism as
>>>>>>> an attack. Great going, Tholen, you're really low on the
>>>>>>> consistency list now!
>>>>>> There's a reason why Tholen, in 12 years, has never budged from
>>>>>> the TOP of my list as "GODDAMN STUPIDEST FUCKING IDIOT ON USENET"
>>>>> Has he really been at it for TWELVE YEARS?!
>>>> Of course not, Marty. Aaron is simply another in a series of liars.
>>> I've seen nothing that leads me to agree with you.
>> And you've seen nothing that leads you to agree with Aaron.
> Classic pontification.
On the contrary, the lack of Aaron's evidence is precisely the
evidence that you've seen nothing that leads you to agree with
Aaron, Marty.
>> Of course, if you can find a USENET posting from me that dates back
>> to 1988, feel free to repost it. I know you can't. I know Aaron
>> can't.
> That doesn't prove that no postings were made by you in that time period.
What would you consider as proof, Marty?
Truly amazing that both you and Aaron think you know more about when
I started posting to USENET than I do.
"Arrogance and stupidity in a single package. How efficient of you."
--Londo Mollari
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Tim Smith)
Subject: Re: Blurry Fonts: Is there a solution?
Date: 9 Dec 2000 19:29:44 -0800
Reply-To: Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
On Thu, 07 Dec 2000 01:36:29 GMT, tom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Don't take this as a Linux slam, but things are fine under Windows. I
>don't know what Linux is doing differently. Perhaps a different
>resolution (currently 800x600) or Window manager?
It is possible to get good looking fonts on Linux. I've got good
looking ones on my home Linux system. Unfortunately, I don't remember
what I did, but I do remember there was a lot of HOWTO reading and
fiddling involved. At work, when doing Linux stuff, I just switch to
one of the Windows machines on my desk when I want to do something like
browse the web (I'd probably do the same thing even if I had good fonts,
since IE is a much better browser than Netscape or Mozilla).
--Tim Smith
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 05:48:52 +0200
"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:90unt6$f7u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > The developer edition of SQL server can do that on workstation.
>
> I stand corrected
>
> > NT and Win2K IIS is Peer Web Services
>
> Yes, that's what I said, PWS.
No, PWS stands for Personal Web Server.
http://www.microsoft.com/TechNet/pwebsrv/tips/etn9734.asp
It's a good solution for web developers that would like to work at home on
their sites, as you can do most of your development on a 9x machine and test
it on a real server only on the last few stages.
2K Pro IIS isn't PWS, though.
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:39:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"JS/PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:4oBY5.14744$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Black Dragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:30:03 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Chad C. Mulligan' said:
> > >
> > > [...]
> > >
> > > : "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > : news:90thsf$ik4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > :
> > > : > > > > > Moot point - there is still no Windows machine in the
top
> 50.
> > > : > > > > >
> > > : > > > >
> > > : > > > > In the top 50 of a majorly flawed data gathering
process.
> Moot
> > > : > > > indeed.
> > > : > > > >
> > > : > > >
> > > : > > > Prove that they got unreliable information from the top
50!
> > > : > > >
> > > : > >
> > > : > > The onus is on you to prove the reliability of the figures
you
> > present
> > > : > > as facts.
> > > : >
> > > : > I have. I made the claim that NETCRAFT STATED... I then posted
what
> > > : > netcraft stated! What I have claimed is true, The top 50
according
> to
> > > : > netcraft has NO MS OS's LISTED! YOU made the claim
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > : You are right you did repeat (plagerize) what Netcraft said.
Truth,
> > > : unlikely. Show where I made any such claim.
> > > :
> > > :
> > > : >
> > > : > In the top 50 of a majorly flawed data gathering process.
Moot
> > > : > > > indeed.
> > > : > > > >
> > > : >
> > > : >
> > > : > And you need to prove it or you are nothing but a troll!
> > > : >
> > > :
> > > : Tell us what method they used. Others have posted statements by
> > Netcraft
> > > : indicating that thier gathering process is imperfect, leading to
> > imperfect
> > > : data. Blind faith, yours, isn't proof of their accuracy, you
use
> their
> > > : statements, selectively, to support your outrageous claims yet
ignore
> > other
> > > : statements. Tell us what method or crawl back under your tiny
little
> > > : bridge.
> > >
> > >
> > > Where can I find information on the Internet that *contradicts*
> Netcraft's
> > > numbers, that also explains how it was done?
> > >
> >
> > Since it doesn't seem possible to garner that metric anonymously on
the
> > Internet that proof is not available, if someone would explain how
> Netcraft
> > conjures their figures an alternate study should be available.
>
> One place to start is by looking at accepted header definitions
> http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/RFC/2068/155.htm
>
> Netcraft claims to derive uptime through info sent by a standard HEAD
> request.
This is what Netcraft actualy says:
"Netcraft determines the operating system of the queried host by looking
in detail at the network characteristics of the HTTP reply received from
the web site."
NOTHING ABOUT A STANDARD HEAD request.
http://uptime.netcraft.com/hammer/accuracy.html#os
> I've compared Netcrafts reported uptime with uptime reported by some
of the
> servers at uptimes.net where there is actually a script installed on
the
> server that sends uptime info to a database and netcraft isn't even
close to
> matching!
What is you proof that Netcraft is actually looking at the same server
and not a proxy, Netcraft states clearly that an intermidiary server may
be respondind and not the actual web server. Thus, the 2 servers giving
the data may be different servers.
Here is what netcraft says:
"The site is using a TCP connection-level proxy firewall, such as
provided in the TIS Gauntlet, BorderWare, Raptor, CyberGuard or IBM
SecureWay firewalls, or some other kind of HTTP level proxy. In these
cases we will receive data from the intermediate machine rather than the
web server, so detect the intermediate machine's operating system
http://uptime.netcraft.com/hammer/accuracy.html#os
In every case they err on the side of under reporting uptime. With
> this I say...Count ALL the uptime!!
I Say that if you think I am wrong for quoting webcraft then MS is also
wrong:
http://www.netcraft.com/news.html
If MS can use a Netcraft to prove their point, I can use Netcraft to
prove MY point.
>
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 03:43:29 GMT
In article <4oBY5.14744$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Chad C. Mulligan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Black Dragon" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > On Sat, 09 Dec 2000 15:30:03 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Chad C. Mulligan' said:
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > : "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > : news:90thsf$ik4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > :
> > : > > > > > Moot point - there is still no Windows machine in the
top 50.
> > : > > > > >
> > : > > > >
> > : > > > > In the top 50 of a majorly flawed data gathering process.
Moot
> > : > > > indeed.
> > : > > > >
> > : > > >
> > : > > > Prove that they got unreliable information from the top 50!
> > : > > >
> > : > >
> > : > > The onus is on you to prove the reliability of the figures you
> present
> > : > > as facts.
> > : >
> > : > I have. I made the claim that NETCRAFT STATED... I then posted
what
> > : > netcraft stated! What I have claimed is true, The top 50
according to
> > : > netcraft has NO MS OS's LISTED! YOU made the claim
> > : >
> > :
> > : You are right you did repeat (plagerize) what Netcraft said.
Truth,
> > : unlikely. Show where I made any such claim.
> > :
> > :
> > : >
> > : > In the top 50 of a majorly flawed data gathering process. Moot
> > : > > > indeed.
> > : > > > >
> > : >
> > : >
> > : > And you need to prove it or you are nothing but a troll!
> > : >
> > :
> > : Tell us what method they used. Others have posted statements by
> Netcraft
> > : indicating that thier gathering process is imperfect, leading to
> imperfect
> > : data. Blind faith, yours, isn't proof of their accuracy, you use
their
> > : statements, selectively, to support your outrageous claims yet
ignore
> other
> > : statements. Tell us what method or crawl back under your tiny
little
> > : bridge.
> >
> >
> > Where can I find information on the Internet that *contradicts*
Netcraft's
> > numbers, that also explains how it was done?
> >
>
> Since it doesn't seem possible to garner that metric anonymously on
the
Just because it seems impossible to you proves nothing. Please for once,
provide some documented evidance of your claims.
> Internet that proof is not available, if someone would explain how
Netcraft
> conjures their figures an alternate study should be available.
Alternative study:
http://x76.deja.com/threadmsg_md.xp?thitnum=5&AN=702846300.1&mhitnum=6&CONTEX
T=976374076.1878327313
MS has no problem using Netcraft numbers as fact, Why do you?
http://www.netcraft.com/news.html
>
> >
> > --
> > Black Dragon
> >
> > Sign The Linux Driver Petition:
> > http://www.libralinux.com/petition.english.html
>
>
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