Linux-Advocacy Digest #802, Volume #30 Mon, 11 Dec 00 00:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows ("Dave Bush")
Re: Linux lacks ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Joseph T. Adams")
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? (Swangoremovemee)
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? (Swangoremovemee)
Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows ("Dan")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! ("Les Mikesell")
Re: Caught me a Lino-Troll Mr. T-Max ("Slava Pestov")
Re: What if Linux wasn't free? ("Slava Pestov")
Re: Linux is awful (Kenny Pearce)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Uptimes (Charlie Ebert)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 22:24:45 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Fri, 08 Dec 2000 23:16:30 GMT
> <iZdY5.20254$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Steve Mading writes:
> >
> >>>> Neato. Meanwhile us poor humans have fingers that don't bend that
> >>>> way. For us humans, to move the fingers 8 inches to the left
> >>>> requires that the *wrist* slides over, which means the the whole
> >>>> forearm is moving too, hinged at the elbow.
> >
> >>> My keyboard has its cursor keys on the right, at about the same
> >>> distance from the home row as the Esc key.
> >
> >> Then it doesn't look anything like any keyboard I've ever seen.
> >
> >That's not my problem. You were the presumptumous one.
>
> He's right; the distance on my keyboard between the H and the
> T-cluster left arrow is the same as the distance between ESC and the
> J key. There may be a slight illusion involved, of course;
> the ESC key is at the topmost left and is relatively isolated
> (there's at least one "key cap" between ESC and tilde and F1),
> whereas the cursor keys are in a cluster near, but not at,
> the lower right (the numeric keypad's ENTER key is actually there),
> and are not quite as isolated, perhaps a third or a half of a "key cap"
> between right-CTRL on the left and 0/Insert on the right.
>
> If one has a keyboard without the "T" cluster, of course (some
> older ones instead use the numeric keypad for cursor motion; this is
> when Num Lock becomes almost vital :-) ), then the ESC key is nearer,
> I think -- I don't have an older keyboard handy to check, and there
> may be other issues; this keyboard, like most modern AT-style 104+ -key
> keyboards, has the six-button grouping (Insert, Delete, Home, End,
> PageUp, PageDown) just above the T-arrow cluster; remove that, and
> the spacings might differ.
>
> And then there are the laptops.... :-) Some of those can get
> downright weird.
>
> >
> >> The Escape key is close and easily whackable without
> >> looking, and without looking you can get your fingers
> >> right back to the home row without even feeling for the
> >> keys, my kinestetic sense just knows where to go, because
> >> I don't have to move the hand more than about 1/2 an inch,
> >> and that's a stretch-forward motion rather than a swing-
> >> sideways motion.
> >
> >The cursor keys are close and easily whackable without looking,
> >and without looking you can get your fingers right back to the
> >home row without even feeling for the keys, my kinestetic sense
> >just knows where to go, because I don't have to move the hand
> >more than about 1/2 an inch, and that's a stretch-backward motion
> >rather than a swing-sideways motion.
>
> Before all this gets even sillier, let me remind the peanut
> gallery that the design of vi's cursor motion keys predates
> the modern "T" configuration used on most PC keyboards today
> (and, indeed, on most other keyboards as well, for better or worse).
> If one was lucky, one had a cross-configuration on some keyboards
> with a central dead area. Some might have a straight-line.
> The older PC keyboards had the numeric keypad doing double-duty, IIRC.
>
> My memory is not good enough to remember all of the keyboard configs
> I had to deal with in the early 80's at school (we had a rather
> heterogeneous collection of 80 x 24 character terminals back then at
> my alma mater -- I have no idea what they have, now).
Almost every pre-1990 keyboard (with the exception of IBM-PC
and clones, and Sun keyboards) was nearly identical to the
layout seen on Happy Hacker keyboard.
On such a keyboard, vi is absolutely wonderful.
>
> I will also note that, given my powers of estimation (which aren't
> that great), the distance between the 'h' key and the rightmost
> arrow looks more like 6 inches.
>
> But you're both right.
>
> >
> >> (Which is why it's easy to find the home row - just relax the
> >> muscles and the hand goes back to where it came from.)
> >
> >Ditto.
>
> Were I to relax my hand, it would probably fall off the keyboard. :-)
> There's also the occasional case of ,pvomg ,u fomgers pff tje
> jp,e leus amd tu[omg cp,[;ete gobberosj == erm, I mean moving my
> fingers off the home keys and typing complete gibberish. :-)
>
> >
> >>>>>> Not only that, but you use your LEFT hand, while the
> >>>>>> RIGHT stays by the hjkl keys.
> >
> >>>>> Not if I want to type yuioopnm, for example.
> >
> >>>> Huh?
> >
> >>> Those letters aren't on the home row.
> >
> >> Yeah, the 'huh' was wondering how this relates to what I'm
> >> talking about.
> >
> >You were talking about staying by the hjkl keys.
> >
> >> You hit 'escape' AFTER typing 'yuioopnm', so it doesn't matter.
> >
> >It does matter, because it takes your fingers away from hjkl.
>
> Pedant point: ESC is hit by the left hand; the right hand
> needn't move. (Did you mean "asdf" instead?)
>
> >
> >> Escape is for leaving insert mode,
> >
> >Something I don't need to do with BRIEF to go back and fix an
> >error.
>
> Ditto with Notepad, Word, or (presumably) Word Perfect.
> I think Emacs (in non-VI emulation mode, anyway) also doesn't
> need ESC to "stop insertion". Vi is the only editor, for better
> or for worse, that is modal in this sense. (AFAIK, anyway;
> maybe Wordstar was also weird.)
>
> I'm not that familiar with BRIEF, although I've heard of it
> (Borland C++ has a BRIEF keybinding emulation mode in its
> IDE text editor).
>
> >
> >> and as such you aren't going to be typing 'yuioopnm' right
> >> after hitting esc.
> >
> >With BRIEF, I don't need to hit Esc.
> >
> >>>> Yeah, I admit this confused me for about 30 seconds back when I first
> >>>> started using vi (which, incedentally was *after* I was already
> >>>> familiar with Emacs, Notepad, the IBM-designed "CUI" mappings popular
> >>>> in many old programming editors (Like Turbo Pascal), the Vax's 'edt',
> >>>> and so on, none of which were modal.) It's easy once you realize that
> >>>> the outer keys are left/right, and the inner keys are up/down, and
> >>>> don't think of them by their letters.)
> >
> >>> It's easier with the "up" key above and the "down" key below.
> >
> >> No, it isn't.
> >
> >Speak for yourself.
>
> At the risk of veering wildly off-topic -- some games like to map
> "up and down" one way, whereas other games map it the other way.
> It's interesting at times to learn new flight simulators. :-)
>
> However, the issue here appears to be "up down" versus "jk".
> I'm not sure which is "easier", although I can say that the arrow
> keys are more intuitive to the casual user, since most people
> know what an arrow is. :-) However, the "hjkl" might be slightly --
> and I do emphasize SLIGHTLY -- faster for touch typists; my main
> modus operandi appears to require more thinking than typing when correcting
> errors, which makes hand movement not all that relevant.
>
> (Side note: some older games use "wasz" or "wasd" for
> cursor/spacecraft/character motions. Most modern games
> can use arbitrary keybindings, AFAIK.)
>
> >
> >> It's faster to learn. But it isn't easier to *USE* once you've learned
> >> it.
> >
> >Speak for yourself.
>
> I'm assuming you're arguing hjkl versus arrow keys; the answer
> is: vi currently supports both. If one doesn't like one, use the other.
> :-)
>
> >
> >> Faster to learn != easier to use.
> >
> >Irrelevant, given that I never stated otherwise.
> >
> >> hjkl is the second-most minimal movement pattern you can have (right after
> >> 'jkl;').
> >
> >Except that three letters only provide three motions. You need four
> >for a two-dimensional screen.
> >
>
> Semicolon is also a movement command, although somewhat specialized;
> if one does fu, vi remembers the 'u' and a subsequent semicolon
> will find the next 'u'. Vi is not limited to letters for its
> keybindings.
>
> One could also get silly and assume an editor with a "flip-switch",
> not dissimilar to the change-sign key on many calculators.
> (I've yet to see such an editor, though.)
>
> --
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
> up 80 days, 13:54, running Linux.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Dave Bush" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: no.alt.arkiv,tw.bbs.comp.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:22:40 GMT
Why do I see this as flame bait that way too many of you are going to go
nuts over?
Once again a Ray Lopez clone will have managed to create a thread that won't
die for weeks because some of you feel you have to defend our beloved OS to
the death...
Here it comes - guess I should kill file it now...
- Dave
=====
Dave Bush <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Visit Shirley & I's web page at http://www.davenshirl.com
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: 11 Dec 2000 03:38:08 GMT
Pedro Coto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: So tell me how does aviplay or xmps at your machine perform
: compared to a Windows player please. Or tell me how Java,
: Javascript, VBScript or ActiveX perform under Mozilla.
Mozilla is a Web browser, not an IE clone, and isn't designed to
render proprietary, nonstandard, insecure, and deliberately
Windows-only formats such as ActiveX or VBScript. Indeed, it is
inherently impossible to render such "content" safely, because it is
not content, but code, and is designed to have almost unlimited access
to the client machine, with very few security "features" to prevent
Trojans and other security problems.
As for Java and JavaScript: it doesn't do either one perfectly yet,
but it's very close, while IE doesn't do either one at all. IE
implements a very old version of Java - 1.1 - but without any support
for the Swing libraries that make a modern GUI possible inside a Web
page and have been doing so for over 3 years now. As for JavaScript,
IE implements a very similar language called JScript. Similar, but
not the same. Any Web designer will tell you that writing nontrivial
JavaScript that will run in both IE and Netscape is very difficult.
Mozilla does aim to be 100% standards-compliant, and is already closer
than anything else. Konqueror (the KDE web browser) is pretty close
too, although it does support some proprietary, nonstandard constructs
that Mozilla doesn't (which violates the rules of HTML4). Although I
don't use nonfree software by choice, I've been told that Opera
implements the standards very closely as well.
I have no problem viewing Web content with any recent version of
Mozilla, Konqueror, or Netscape. I *do* have lots of problems with
sites that are designed to support IE only. But those aren't Web
sites; they are IE sites. The Web is defined in terms of published
standards, and anything that doesn't comply with those standards is
not rightfully part of the Web. If it breaks standards so badly that
it won't work inside any of my browsers, then frankly I don't consider
it worth my time.
Joe
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From: "Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: 11 Dec 2000 03:42:53 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: "Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
: news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
:> On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:40:41 -0500, JS/PL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
:>
:> > You'll find that the Linux (*internet surfing) desktop share is about
:> > .003120. MS.* is about .9375222 as of October out of 554,519,878
:> > samples. read/weep http://www.thecounter.com/stats/
:>
:> Why you think this is a good thing is what escapes a lot of us. I can't
:> imagine it being a good thing to have one company control 93% of anything.
: Good thing or bad is a whole separate argument. I would have to say the good
: has outweighed the bad.
: You've got 93% using one standard. Standards work, that's why you see
: standards adopted. What pisses me off is the lying. Linux has a market share
: a hell of a lot closer to 3 in 1000. Not the 1-3 in 100 that I often see
: quoted.
Standards have to be agreed upon by more than one entity, or else they
aren't standards.
When you consider that most Windows boxes are used largely if not
exclusively to access the Unix/Linux-based Internet, I'd put the
marketshare of Unix and Linux at closer to 100%, not 1-3%. Windows
may be controlling the dumb terminal, but the actual work is being
done by real machines running real operating systems.
Joe
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:43:34 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 15:20:55 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> the field have degrees in non related fields, like me. Morgan Stanley
>> (a large investment bank) only hires Ivy League liberal arts graduates
>> for IT jobs and then trains them in house.
>
>Oh, hmmm. Do you think this is wise?
Judging by what I have heard from people who deal with them on a daily
basis no it is not wise.
They have been doing it like that for years though so who is to argue
with them.
>I think you are not as far away from my views than you let on, and you
>just want to be contentious. That's OK, it is an advocacy group.
We agree completely.
Swango
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: Swangoremovemee<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:46:11 GMT
On Mon, 11 Dec 2000 00:08:48 GMT, kiwiunixman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>No, you donot own the software, you have only purchased a license to use it, hence,
>you
>donot own the software. It is like saying that you have a driving
>license to drive your car on the road, it doesn't mean you own the road.
Ok, ok, so you are correct but you know what I meant.
>Also, I raised the question on whether you buy your software as (if you
>look in the whistler review thread) that the majority of the posters who
>like/advocate Microsoft products, never actually buy any of them, hence,
>double standards.
I buy most of my software, the other software comes as either comps or
promo's.
I don't really have all that much software anyway.
Swango
>kiwiunixman
"It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
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From: "Dan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: no.alt.arkiv,tw.bbs.comp.linux,alt.os.linux
Subject: Re: Linux is INFERIOR to Windows
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 14:49:40 +1100
Replying to one's own posts.
Shows great intelligence. Or are you going to blame your lame OS?
Whatever.
Dan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:911g6b$cr8$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Hello to all!
>
> The result is out. Linux is INFERIOR to Windows. :-)
> Ah, I know you Linux people are bursting with rage right now. Sarcasms
> and insults are evitable for me, I know.
>
> Please read this test by Mindcraft that compares Linux and Windows NT.
> After reading this, you will agree with me.
>
> http://www.mindcraft.com/whitepapers/openbench1.html
>
> Ha! Ha!
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
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From: "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 03:54:42 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:MF1Y5.19257$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Steve Mading writes:
>
> >> Fortunately, I didn't make such a blanket statement. My comment
> >> was restricted to the use of hjkl for cursor movement. That's a
> >> rather small subset of vi.
>
> > Well, then we'll just have to disagree then. I don't think
> > that's true for the first time user who hasn't gotten any
> > preconcieved notions from using other editors first. You think
> > it is.
>
> Are you saying that the first-time user *will* know that hjkl
> moves the cursor around???
The first time user won't have a concept of what a cursor is
or why you would want to move it around. In the 70's and
80's, CPT dedicated wordprocessors were a big thing and
they represented a sheet of paper advancing past a typing
line on the screen so it looked and worked exactly like
a typewriter. Literally, a white page scrolled up the
screen as you typed. If you needed to correct something
you moved the page back down to the typing line instead
of moving the cursor to the text. Their claim (of course) was that
this was 'intuitive' to anyone who had seen a typewriter.
So, not even the direction of motion can be taken as something
you could guess, let alone the key that would invoke it. If you
think otherwise then you should admit that you have been
brainwashed into it.
Les Mikesell
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: "Slava Pestov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caught me a Lino-Troll Mr. T-Max
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:10:28 +1100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Swangoremovemee wrote:
>>
>
>>
>> "It Don't Mean a Thang if it Ain't Got That Swang"
>
> A perfect summation of your lack of intellectual development.
>
> Here's a hint, swang-child....go back to your rap-ghetto. This
> neighborhood is waaaaaaaaaay over your head.
I'm afraid the above statement qualifies you as a redneck, Aaron.
Slava
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From: "Slava Pestov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: What if Linux wasn't free?
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 15:13:29 +1100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Fri, 08 Dec 2000 05:56:06 GMT, kiwiunixman
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>><snip>
>>
>>The big question is whether it (swang) pays for his software, or does it
>> steal it? I pay for all my software, and as a result, I reap the
>
> Bought every version of Windows except the comp ones I got for being in
> the various beta test programs I have participated in. Even have a
> vintage copy of Windows 2.0 here.
All that Windows use has got to your head, Steve.
Slava
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From: Kenny Pearce <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Sun, 10 Dec 2000 18:56:21 -0800
"Anders Mörtsell" wrote:
> Yes, I agree on everything you say. I also read this from a Linux newsgroup,
> so I guess that's why I feel that it's more common with Linux people posting
> the "He's a troll" kind of messages than Windows people doing it.
> My intention was not to imply that you were a troll, to start this part of
> the thread, I just wanted to post a message saying that the original poster
> must have been planning a "fight" between Linux and Windows users. The
> reason I think so is that he crossposted to so many groups, both linux and
> windows.
> Sorry if I stepped on someone elses toes here (is that a phrase that could
> be used in english too? In Sweden it's used as a metaphore for saying things
> that some will find abusing), that wasn't what I wanted to do, I only wanted
> to say that I think it's sad that people always enters these discussions
> although it's rather obvious what the intention of the original poster is.
> However, I agree with you on the fact that you can actually find useful
> information every now and then and that's why I've read through all the
> messages myself.
>
> I hope I made my point clear this time.
>
> / Anders
>
> "Adam Short" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:JI4Y5.3839$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > What I think is interesting is that, as a side effect, people sometimes
> > learn things about the opposing viewpoint that they would otherwise not
> > know. This is sometimes useful to those who don't get too entrenched in
> > their own opinions (an admittedly small number I know), and are willing to
> > re-think their views in light of new evidence from others (an even smaller
> > number). In the post that sparked this little sideline off I was asking
> why
> > there appeared to be differences between what Windows does on my computer
> > and what it appears to do on other computers. It was a genuine question,
> not
> > an attempt at trolling, for which I have not received any answer. I
> honestly
> > wanted to know about this so that I could re-evaluate the weird things
> that
> > happen with windows on my machine. My opinion of Windows isn't very high
> > currently, but if people explain to me why its perceived shortcomings (to
> my
> > mind) are there, I'll certainly look at it again. I''m reading these posts
> > from a Linux newsgroup and its pretty rare to see any pro-windows comments
> > there at all. It would be nice to evaluate the pros and cons.
> >
> >
> > Anders Mörtsell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:90qf1q$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > "Adam Short" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:143Y5.2673$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > I guess he is a average Linux user, ie. Troll.....
> > > >
> > > > I know you may not be used to this, but this is what's known as a
> > > > "discussion", it means to look at ideas, to put forward arguments and
> to
> > > > deal with them objectively. It may have started out as a slightly
> > > half-assed
> > > > observation, but there are some good points coming out here, on both
> > > sides.
> > > >
> > > > A one line quip that isn't even grammatically correct, has very little
> > > place
> > > > in such a discussion.
> > > >
> > > > I happen to like Linux and dislike Windows. Thats my position and I'm
> > > simply
> > > > putting forward arguments for that position. If you don't like it, at
> > > least
> > > > come up with a sensible argument.
> > > >
> > >
> > > If you try to run a discussion on that subject, you are very likely to
> > have
> > > to cope with such quips. I think that this kind of discussion is no use,
> > > because no real Linux user will ever agree on that Windows could be
> useful
> > > for some tasks and vice versa. You could go on discussing forever, and
> no
> > > one will change their minds on this, it's all a matter of personal
> taste,
> > > and I don't think you can change that no matter for how long you discuss
> > it.
> > > However I was surprised to see that it was a Windows user who put in the
> > > "He's a troll" argument. From what I have seen, that's what linux users
> > tend
> > > to do when they run out of arguments, which is a petty, because I'm a
> > Linux
> > > fan myself.
> > >
> > > / Anders
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
the title says it all. We're all reading a topic heading that says "Linux is
awful". If it wasn't for the fact that I'm reading it myself, I'd ask you why
you bothered :). The main reason I'm reading it, is that this is the first time
I've encountered anyon capable of using Linux who actually prefers Windows
(and, to be quite honest, I'm not sure I have). I've always thought that the
only advantage of Windows over Linux is ease of use. I always thought that
anyone who had sufficient computer knowledge to use a Unix-type OS and had done
so would choose it over Windows. I can see from this discussion that I may be
wrong, but I haven't yet heard any arguments to convince me of that. I'd also
like to know why (I just realized this) we're all posting to comp.os.linux.x...
this discussion is competely irrelevant to that newsgroup.
As has been said, seeing as the topic is "Linux is awful" this was obviously
intended to start and argument.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:07:38 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> <snip>
>
> > Ahh, Linux is kicking Microsofts ass out of every continent and
> > country with the exeption is the U.S.A and Canada as we speak.
> >
> I agree that Linux is kicking ass outside Canada and USA, Linux is
> like the metric system, whilst the rest of the world moves forward
> using Metres, Centimetres, Degree's Celcius, kilometres and other
> metric terms, there are still countries unwilling to catchup.
Uh... we're metric up here in Canada.
-ws
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 11 Dec 2000 04:31:11 GMT
On Sun, 10 Dec 2000 17:17:27 -0600,
Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>
>You're insane. <SNIP>
<SNIP>
Yes EF. You've gone insane.
Charlie
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