Linux-Advocacy Digest #802, Volume #34 Sun, 27 May 01 09:13:04 EDT
Contents:
IMHO Regarding Windows and it's problems ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Opera ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: ease and convenience ("~¿~")
Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly (Charles Lyttle)
A humorous way of looking at Windows XP + Mudie's Rant + Linux ("Matthew Gardiner
\(BOFH\)")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: ease and convenience ("Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)")
Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft! ("Daniel Johnson")
Re: ease and convenience ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Opera ("Paul Dossett")
Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly ("Edward Rosten")
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: IMHO Regarding Windows and it's problems
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:10:35 +1200
The best way to describe the problems is to put it into a song, to the
melody of "All ways look on the bright side of life"
Some things in life are bad,
They can really make you mad,
Other things just make you swear and curse,
When you're chewing your life's gristle
Don't grumble, give a whistle,
And this'll help things turn out for the best,
And.....
Always reboot you computer once a day
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
If Windows seems jolly rotten,
There's something you've forgotten,
And that's to blame Bill Gates and Microsoft again.
When you've a memory dump,
Don't be silly chumps.
Just purse your lips and whistle. That's the thing.
And...
Always reboot you computer once a day
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
For Windows is quite absurd
And BSOD's the final words.
You must always face the BSOD with a frown.
Forget about your work.
Give the BSOD a grin.
Enjoy it. It's your last chance, anyhow.
So,...
Always look on the bright side of BSOD,
[whistling]
Just before you draw your terminal's breath.
[whistling]
Windows a piece of shit,
When you look at it.
Windows a laugh and BSOD's a joke. It's true.
You'll see it's all a show.
Keep 'em laughing as you go.
Just remember that the last laugh is on you.
And...
Always reboot you computer once a day
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
Always defrag you hard disk once a week
[whistling]
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:14:42 +1200
ALso, one must remember when I tried to access my hotmail account using IE
5.5, and because of all the jackass javascript/ACTIVEX bullshit, it crashed
as soon as I started to type in the text box! Netscape and Opera have no
problems, why IE?
Matthew Gardiner
--
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"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:9eqic8$5n7$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Ok, so other poster's versions did crash and took Linux with them (as in
> > the core dump from the previous poster who uses linux).
>
> hahahahah!
>
> Idiot. Why don't you admit that you've never used UNIX?
>
> -Ed
>
> PS For future reference, a core dump does not mean the OS crashed, it
> means the app crashed.
>
> --
> (You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.)
(u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
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From: "~¿~" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ease and convenience
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:25:40 GMT
"Peter Hayes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 26 May 2001 13:53:23 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Mark) wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 26 May 2001 05:56:46 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] flung this gem:
> >
> > |
> > |Thought I'd try a new newsreader tonight. Would this be easier on
> > |Windows or Linux?
> > |
> > |(Debian) Linux:
> > |1) launch a shell
> > |2) apt-get install knode
> > |3) knode&
>
> But don't you need to configure a local news server if you want to read
> offline? I thought Pan was the only Linux newsreader which didn't need
> leafnode or the like.
>
> So that adds to your installation time, and more importantly, hassle.
>
> > |
> > |Windows:
> > |1) fire up a web browser
> > |2) navigate to the newsreader company's website
> > |3) sort through 3 or 5 layers of hyperlinks to find the obscurely
> > | located 'free trial version'
> > |4) download to hard drive
>
> Get Free Agent off a cover cd thereby making 1-4 redundant.
> > |5) double-click installation executable
> > |6) exit installation program and close all other running programs
> > |7) double-click installation executable
> > |8) scroll down and click "I accept" to a legally binding contract you
> > |didn't read
> > |9) accept all defaults
> > |10) click 'start' and navigate to the program icon, usually under
> > | a submenu named after the company (fortunately "branding" no
> > | longer involves a hot iron)
> > |11) grant permission to clobber the installation of competing products,
> > | making this the 'default application'
Use outlook express, thereby negating the need for 1 to 11
Cola resident Linux expert Advocates such as Matthew Gardiner use it and
countless others as well, so it must be pretty good.
> I wonder whose product this might be? Agent doesn't behave like that.
No, it doesn't it. Does it?
> > |12) scan past the 'buy now' button and click the 'buy later' button
> > | (it's a lie, but the only way to start the program)
> > |13) read about all the great features in the full version you're
missing
> > | and click 'ok'
You're using crap shareware, where someone has gone to a lot of trouble with
the setup program in order to get you to pay them.
> > |I could have gone a lot further overboard with this and maybe thrown
> > |in a reboot; this comparison isn't an exaggeration.
> > Commercial
> > |software will always be a hassle because its purpose is not to serve
> > |your needs, but those of some business.
>
> Mmmm. The programmer needs to eat, and maybe so does his/her family.
Programmers? Eat? Nah... say it ain't so Joe!
Unless you're "under the Radar", or whatever such nonsense these glorified
VAR's like RedHat like to claim. What does Donnie what's his name make over
at RedHat, I wonder....
> > That's quite a good read! Allow me to balance your experience with one
> > of my own. Networking, where Linux reigns supreme.
> >
> > Task: Install & setup NIC cards in a windows & linux PC.
> > The Card: NetGear FA311. Very popular card, sold at places where the
> > 'end-losers' (as you like to refer to them) shop.
> > I bought mine at Staples.
> > BTW the card says "linux supported" on the box.
> >
> >
> > Windows:
> >
> > 1. Shutdown
> > 2. Open case and install card. Plug in the cat5 cable.
> > 3. Reboot
> > 4. windows says "New Hardware Found" ...
> > 5. Feed it the driver provided on the floppy from the box.
> > 6. Reboot
> > 7. NetHood -> Assign IP and subnet if needed.
> > 8. NIC install is complete with all protocols installed for basic
> > networking. Initializes quickly with no problems.
> >
> > Linux:
> > 1. Shutdown
> > 2. Open case and install card. Plug in the cat5 cable.
> > 3. Reboot
> > 4. Log into Linux as root
> > 5. cd /
> > 6. mkdir fa311
> > 7. Mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /mnt/floppy
> > 8. cp /mnt/floppy/fa311.o /fa311/fa311.o (/mnt/floppy/ "path where
> > drivers are on the floppy"
> > 9. cd /fa311
> > 10. install -m 644 fa311.o /lib/modules/2.2.12-20/net/
> > 11. Start linuxconf
> > 12. ->Client Task
> > 13. ->Basic Host Information
> > 14. ->Enable the card
> > 15. ->Check DHCP if needed
> > 16. ->Add IP address and subnet if needed
> > 17. ->Net Device = eth0
> > 18. ->Kernel = fa311
> > 19. ->Accept changes
> > 20. ->Activate changes and allow the OS to remount the floppy drive
> > 21. ->If window is still there then hit Quit
> > 22. sh /etc/rc.d/init.d/network stop
> > 23. insmod fa311.o -f
> > 24. sh /etc/rc.d/init.d/network start
> > 25. Card is basically installed, but eth0 takes 5 or more minutes to
> > initialize on every reboot.
> >
> > I could have gone overboard and talked about how a novice computer
> > user would have NEVER gotten this card to work under Linux.
> > Commercial Hardware will always be easier to install ......
> >
> > What's the point? It is and always will be ( I Hope ) apples &
> > oranges.
>
> And it works the other way round, too.
>
> Task: replace 10mbit NIC with 10/100mbit card. Bog standard card that
costs
> a tenner. RealTek RTL8159, or something like that.
>
> RedHat 6.2 recognises the old card has gone, do I want to remove the
> configuration? - yes - done.
> RedHat 6.2 recognises new card, do I want to configure it? - yes - done.
> Then the clever bit - do I want to migrate my network settings to the new
> card? - yes.
> Done. Finito. Up and running in 20" excluding the hardware swap time, of
> course. No reboots, no strain, no pain.
Wow. You must have a used an 'updated' RH 6.2
The version I use was constantly confused over my USR external modem.
It kept finding another one. I kept telling it to remove the configuration,
and it kept right on finding another one each time I rebooted.
> Boot into Windoze, with the emphasis on the doze.
'Doze' ... I know what this means .. this ought to be good for a laugh or a
cup full of BS stories.
> "Windows has detected unknown hardware and is installing the software for
> it" (how Windows can install software for unknown hardware is beyond me).
That's simply an obligatory screen to let you know the OS hasn't died while
it tries to figure out what the hell is going on. If it didn't give you a
screen and you sat there for 3 minutes while the HDD ground away, you'd
bitch as well. Can't win for losi ...
> It then asks for the Win98 CDROM. Despite its amazing ability to install
> software for unknown hardware, Windows doesn't seem able to find a CDROM
> drive. Point it at the drive. Can't find file xxx. Regret not going for
the
> "have disk" option. Point it at the folder. Installs software. Needs a
> "quick" reboot.
Yes, this sometimes happens. What is more amusing though, is the fact that
an experienced Linux user, one who presumably knows how to traverse
directory trees in Linux using pushd, pop, ../.. cd ~/bin and the like, is
moaning about 'pointing' a dialog box complete with pretty pictures to the
proper path on a CD ROM to get a driver???? I yi yi ... Do you brush the
teeth in both of your mouths?
>Windows is now thoroughly confused because it thinks there
> are two network cards in this machine. Delete unwanted network card in
> Device Manager and have another reboot. So after 20 minutes furtling
about,
> Windoze manages to accept the new card.
Again, this is amazing. You climbed the curve to learn Linux, yet you won't
exercise one scintilla of common sense when installing hardware! Only
(please excuse me, no offense meant. But I can't help it) a moron installs
hardware in windows without removing the old hardware the new hardware is
replacing first.
Windows hardware 101. I smell a LinBigot troll ....
> Or would you prefer the time I installed a NIC on a machine that
previously
> hadn't had one?
Sure, should be good for a laugh.
> No sign of any "Windows has detected... blah, blah, blah". Nothing. Zilch.
> Same NIC type as the previous example (I got a batch).
>
> Go to Start -> Settings -> Control Panel -> Network -> Add Adaptor. Feed
it
> the floppy that came with the card.
>
> Windows chunters most of the way through the installation procedure and
> everything is looking rosy when it announces it's found a new plug and
play
> device, and please switch off and install it (honest). This cancels the
> installation I was doing from the floppy. Clever stuff, this Windows...
>
> At about the third or fourth attempt I get the floppy based installation
> done before the dozy junkware realises a new pnp device has arrived. After
> the statutary reboot all is well.
I'd say you may have had marginal windows install going there. Or, windows
sucks.
Take your pick. The difference here is, and it's a HUGE difference, is that
despite your seemingly minimal understanding of system hardware upgrading
and installation, the windows install worked after a couple of tries.
Go search the Usenet for all the "I can't get < insert choice of ANY type of
hardware here > to work on my < insert any Linux distro here > HELP!!!
> Peter
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From: Charles Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:28:25 GMT
Edward Rosten wrote:
>
> > I know<big sigh>, but some of the users are more comfortable with the
> > look-and-feel of windows95. And FVWM95 does take less resources than
> > kde. I've gotten in the habit of trying to give costomers what makes
> > them happy. BTW, I do have a couple of systems that only run in command
> > line mode.
>
> Do you use SVGATextMode? Unfotunatley its no longer supported since new
> cards are harder to get info on and aren't as goot at text modes. Some of
> the old cards could do up to 160x64 (I used to use that on a 17"
> moniter).
>
Not recently. If you have info on currently available cards, I could use
that. Curses can still be very handy for small footprint displays using
such tools.
> -Ed
>
> --
> (You can't go wrong with psycho-rats.) (u98ejr)(@)(ecs.ox)(.ac.uk)
>
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: A humorous way of looking at Windows XP + Mudie's Rant + Linux
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:26:20 +1200
http://portal.suse.de/en/content.php?3occccccccccccccccccccmccccccccccoccccc
ccococcccccccccccccccc&content/editorial/macroplant.html
Quite a humorous way of looking at the Mudie vs. Linux cat fight.
Matthew Gardiner
--
I am the blue screen of death
Nobody can hear your screams
----
I am the resident BOFH if you don't like it
go rm -rf /home/luser yourself
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:32:50 GMT
"Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Daniel Johnson wrote:
> > "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > You never used it. So you dont know what youa re takking about when
you
> > > talk about the Apple II desktop.
> >
> > My dear Rick, I was not talking
> > about this Apple II desktop at all!
>
> Thats because you continually try to change the subject.
I've no idea what subject it is you
wish to talk about, at this point.
[snip]
> > > So answer the question. Were control panels and accessories accessible
> > > from GS apps or not?
> >
> > I don't quite know what you mean by this.
>
> If you dont know what I mean, how can you answer the question...
I can summarize what I know about Apple IIgs
DAs, and let you pick the answer out for youself.
It's a good trick to know on Usenet. :D
> > The situation was just like on the Mac at
> > the time; desk accessories (the control panel
> > included) were usable if the app created
> > an Apple menu and used the appropriate
> > API to put desk accessories in there.
>
> SO, here you are syaing they ARE accessible.
Yes; they are accessible to users who are
running applications.
[snip]
> > > GS apps? They didnt? Are you sure?
> >
> > They had indirect access through
> > APIs, just like on the Mac.
>
> Now you are saying.. indirect access. Trying to cover your bases?
I find it difficult to answer questions
clearly when I don't know their intent;
so I am answering this question rather
unclearly; you'll have to pick out what
you want to know for yourself.
[snip]
> > > So you are saying accessoried are not acessible from GS apps?
> >
> > Hung up on desk accessories for some reason?
>
> Note: no response. Try to give the same concrete answers to the same
> questions when they are asked.
That's hard to do when I don't understand
the question very well.
I really, truly don't know what you are
trying to get at.
[snip]
> > The launcher is faster; but the fastest
> > way is to do neither, and boot the app
> > directly, with no desktop, no finder,
> > and no launcher.
>
> Users rarely booted apps directly from floppies as IIe users did.
Sure they did, except for those few who
had hard disks.
Remember, the IIgs was pretty much exclusively
a home machine. Most of its apps were actually
games.
[snip]
> > You seem to think it was stuck with 8 bit
> > system software, and that would put it
> > at the level on a DOS-clone of the day-
> > except for being slower and not having
> > a hard disk.
>
> I never said it was -stuck- with 8 bit system software. I was speaking
> of the original system disk, which you never seem to understand. You
> keep switching time frames to cover you ass.
Until you make it clearly what it is
you are asking about, or trying to
prove, I will continue to be unable to
give direct, useful, answers.
[snip]
> > ProDOS 8 was really just a DOS; it didn't even go
> > as far as MS-DOS did towards being as OS. And
> > MS-DOS didn't go all that far itself.
>
> ProDOS 16 is really just a DOS. ProDOS 8 was really just a DOS. You are
> making no points here.
I'm just flappin' my virtual lips as it were,
hoping to chance on somethign relevant to
your point, whatever that turns out to be.
[snip]
> > But other than that, you are right. 8-bit programs
> > could not take advantage of the 16-bit system
> > software the IIgs offered.
>
> Duh.
Well, it's not quite Duh; there are good technical
reasons why it should be so on the IIgs, but
bear in mind that 16-bit software on an NT
PC *does* take advantage of 32-bit system
software.
The DOS and Win16 APIs just turn around
and thunk up into the Win32 APIs, you see.
So when I say that 8-bit programs could
not take advantage of-16-bit system software
on the IIgs, I am actually saying something.
[snip]
> > No, I didn't.
>
> Yes, you did. There have been a couple of * bit GUIs available for the
> IIs.
I suppse you mean by this file managers again.
> > You just don't understand that the
> > Apple II Desktop program is not the same thing
> > as a GUI toolbox.
>
> I didnt say it was a GUI toolbox. Mousetext is. Somewhat. Ever hear of
> it?
Yes. Mousetext is closer, but it's really just
a sort of font, not a GUI toolbox. It's usable
from applications, yes, but it does not give
you much.
> > If you want to, you can say that anything
> > that has a UI drawn in pixels instead of
> > in text mode is a "GUI"- it's graphical, it's
> > a UI.
>
> Execpt when various items are used as text to make a GUI... like
> mousetext.
I think it's quite a strech to call mousetext a GUI,
and not just because it isn't graphical.
[snip]
> > > You said there was never a GUI like the Mac's for the 8 bit machine.
> >
> > Well, unless you count GEOS. But that's not all that
> > Mac like, even next to GEM or Windows, still less
> > the IIgs.
>
> Squirm, squirm, squirm.
Were you thinking of GEOS, then?
I'm thrasing about because I've no idea
what you are trying to talk about; I can
only guess whether GEOS is relevant.
[snip]
> > There's still a little 8 bit code left to bootstrap with,
> > actually. But there *is* less than there is with
> > Windows 95, even so.
> >
> > Nevertheless, no shipping version of GS/OS was
> > free of 8 bit code- is that not what you were
> > asking?
>
> You can reomve the ProDOS 8 with no ill effects. You couldnt do that
> with window$.
Actually, there ill effects; you can't launch 8-bit
ProDOS programs if you do that.
But perhaps you could connect the dots for me
and explain why being able to remove ProDOS 8
at all is *important* to you?
[snip]
> > Perhaps it is more like OS/2, needing a copy of
> > Windows to run Win16 apps. Would that
> > satisfy your taste for exactitude?
>
> No. Not until you admit your squirming and lack of knowledge of th IIs.
Hmmmm.
Sounds like you are not interested in discussing
the facts of the case, then. Is that right?
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From: "Matthew Gardiner \(BOFH\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ease and convenience
Date: Mon, 28 May 2001 00:33:56 +1200
Real world experience.
1.Open Case
2. Remove metal sleve cover
3. Slide PCI card in
4. Screw in
5. Power on
6. Select "Linux_2.4" from menu
7. Login
8. click on lizard icon
9. Click on "Yast 2"
10. Enter Root password
11. Click on Network Icon
12. Follow the wizard.
How is that harder than Windows?
Matthew Gardiner
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From: "Daniel Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Justice Department LOVES Microsoft!
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:49:46 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > MS have been making changes to licensing so as to require some users
to
> > > buy more licenses than they had to previously. For instance, there
> > > used to be "concurrent licensing" where you had to have licenses for
> > > each concurrent user. That's been largely eliminated.
> >
> > Understandable; Microsoft never had the tools to make
> > such a scheme work.
>
> But others did. Usage auditing tools do exist, and have for some
> time. I recall such from back when I worked at Unisys. They had a
> Netware network and had software installed to monitor usage of certain
> programs for licensing compliance.
Microsoft would not be thrilled at having to license these
tools, I think. Though maybe that would have been
the best thing from users point of view.
> The model of installing apps on the network did go out of favor as apps
> bloated, which made this kind of thing harder to do. So I'm sure MS had
> perfectly legit reasons for the change. That does not prevent them from
> also making more money because of the change.
I have to agree, but it seems like what MS is doing
is trying to clamp down on software piracy in various
ways; the whole point of which is, of course, to make
more money.
But I think conflating that with a price hike is a bit
hard to sustain.
> > > Certain perks, such as taking your work copy of Office home, have
> > > been eliminated as well.
> >
> > Are you sure they ever allowed this?
>
> Yes, I am sure. It isn't as if you could be at home and at work using
> both copies (in pre-Internet days anyway). I probably still have my
> Word 2.0c disks around someplace. This one went away quite a while ago.
I'm sure; that's like stamping a big neon sign saying
"pirate me" on the disks.
> > > And then there's the whole disk-imaging issue where companies have to
> > > buy OEM licenses with new machines even if they are covered by a site
> > > license.
> >
> > I do not think MS site licenses were ever licenses for
> > unlimited numbers of machines;
>
> It is my understanding that site licenses cover up to some maximum
> number of machines. But apparently, even if you are within that limit,
> buying a new machine means you have to buy an OEM license and _then_
> install your custom image that you have a site license for. So you pay
> twice. There was a lot of hoo-ha about this in the IT press a while
> ago.
I recall some hoo-ha, though I must say you are making it sound
like MS was disregarding its own licensing terms and sending
in the MS stormtroopers. I don't think you mean it like that.
It seems to me that these kind of things are
reasonably good advocacy fodder, but we have
no way to quantify how much of a "price hike"
these changes amounts to, if any. I'm sure some
of MS's large customers wound up paying more
even after factoring out all the side-issues.
But it's a pretty muddy picture.
> > MS's recent behavior suggests that they don't think so, either.
>
> Their reasons could be legitimate, sure, and they could also be a
> smokescreen, or some combination. Whichever they are, things seem to
> be working out such that MS gets more money than they used to for the
> same amount of software. Sounds like a price increase to me. They
> just didn't do it by changing the list price is all.
Well, the list price doesn't mean a thing anyway
in this business. I was really thinking of the OEM
prices; that's where most of the copies are.
> Don't get me wrong. I agree that MS has not done the prototypical
> monopoly move of raising prices across the board. They aren't that
> dumb. But they have certainly snuck in /some/ increased prices via
> changes in terms.
I am very leary of this reasoning; it seems to me
that if we accept this, then practically anything MS
does can be reinterpreted as a price hike with
but a little creativity.
Maybe some of the licensing term changes MS
has made over the past 5 years do yield a price
hike, at least for some of their customers.
But it's a pretty thin rede to hang the usual
conspiracy theories on, if you ask me. If MS
is so powerful, they should not need to play
games like this, or leave the OEMs out of it
for that matter.
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ease and convenience
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 14:56:57 +0100
> Only
> (please excuse me, no offense meant. But I can't help it) a moron
> installs
> hardware in windows without removing the old hardware the new hardware
> is replacing first. Windows hardware 101. I smell a LinBigot troll ....
Last time I replaced the graphics card in my computer it took ages
because in windows because I didn't uninstall the old drivers first.
Under Linux, it worked perfectly with no reboots. I blames windows for
this since there was no way for me to remove the old drivers first (sine
the old card was dead). Since Linux handeled ti so gracefully, I can only
conclude that Windows was at fault.
-ed
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From: "Paul Dossett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Opera
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 12:59:23 GMT
"flatfish+++" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 02:34:57 +0100, drsquare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
>
> >If you don't like Opera, then must DEPISE netscape and IE. What
> >browser do you use then?
>
> Netscape sucks, on any platform.
>
> I liked Opera when it fit on one floppy disk, now it's just another
> bloated browser and to pay for it?
> Why?
>
> I use IE 5.0 under Win2k with just about everything turned off.
Ah, yes, all the flaws, none of the frills. Makes sense to me.
:-/
--
Paul D
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Win2k Sp2 Worked perfectly
Date: Sun, 27 May 2001 15:00:18 +0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Peter Hayes"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Sun, 27 May 2001 11:55:03 +0100, "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> The great thing about the home computers is that they had the OS in ROM
>> and the reset key on the keyboard (the Break key on the BBC was wired
>> to the reset pin of the 6502), so if a program crashed you reset and
>> 1/2 a second later is was running again.
>
> And amazingly, if you typed "old" you got your app back even after the
> reboot.
indeed, since the reset went in to the CPU only, not the memory. In fact
you could put a hook in memory that would trigger when the key was
pressed.
*KEY 10 ...
was the easiest.
Ctrl+break (as long as ctrl was released after) would override this, but
there was yet another hook avaliable. One word processor (Folio) was
capable of munging the system so badly that a power cycle was needed to
stop it.
-Ed
> Peter
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