Linux-Advocacy Digest #943, Volume #30 Sun, 17 Dec 00 14:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius ("Chad Myers")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Chad Myers")
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (spam)
Re: A Microsoft exodus! (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (mlw)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (spam)
Re: Corel to pull out of Linux (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED.... (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Tell us Why you use Windows over Linux. (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Uptimes (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Linux is awful (Adam Schuetze)
Re: Is Windows an operating system like Linux? (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: MASTERTRADE LINUX ROLL-OUT 11-12-00 (The Ghost In The Machine)
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:56:09 GMT
"glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> based on my typing skills for the subject im not the 'auther' of the
> article, lol
>
> glitch wrote:
> >
> > http://www.msnbc.com/news/503816.asp
<sigh> Gates doesn't have a conscience, huh?
Never mind the billions he's given away in the name
fo world heath standards and lessening the suffering
of millions around the world.
Let's also not mention that he has contributed hundreds
of millions to local childrens and children-benefit organizations
around the country to support inner-city and underprivileged children.
These authors are a bunch of windbags who are nothing more
than jealous.
-Chad
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From: "Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:56:51 GMT
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:47:06 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>
> >> The Bush campaign ran an add that made false claims about McCains
> >> environmental record, and the ad was pulled shortly after it was aired.
> >
> >Proof?
>
> I'm not going to waste my time trying to change your mind, sorry. There
> were articles about it in the New York Times if you're genuinely interested
> in investigating it.
Oh yeah, the NYT has never posted anything false about the Republicans
before.
It should be called the Clinton Times.
-Chad
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:47:35 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:35:19 GMT
<H6S_5.3831$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
>>>>>>>> So, to sum up:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1] Nothing is intuitive.
>
>>>>>>> You need to consult a manual for everything???
>
>>>>>> "Intuitive" doesn't mean "not needing to consult a manual".
>
>>>>> You have a better definition that is simple to understand?
>
>>>> How about the one in the manual? Erm, I mean, dictionary? :-)
>
>>> Apparently the definition wasn't intuitive to you.
>
>> It wasn't supposed to be. The definition of a word -- in this
>> case, 'intuitive' -- breaks down the word, in a sense, into
>> a series of more easily digested concepts, or perhaps different
>> concepts. Occasionally, a dictionary gets into loops (I remember
>> one dictionary that defined 'nipple' as a 'teat', and a 'teat' as a
>> 'nipple'; obviously, that gets nowhere fast -- of course, that
>> particular dictionary was designed to fit into one's pocket; one
>> can only do so much :-) ). Dictionaries also have slight problems
>> with very general concepts: "go", "be", "have", "put".
>
>But the fact that you needed to consult a dictionary meant that the
>definition of "intuitive" wasn't intuitive.
Correct.
>
>> I understand the definition of "intuitive", based on my earlier learning
>> and experience. It needn't be intuitive -- just understandable; that's
>> all an interface needs to be, in order to be useful.
>
>Irrelevant to the present discussion.
>
>> (The original question, IIRC, was whether a power switch was intuitive.
>
>Actually, the discussion goes back farther than that. The power switch
>example came after Aaron declared nothing about a computer is intuitive.
>That declaration came after my remark that the use of hjkl for cursor
>movement is not intuitive.
Both are correct. Nothing about a computer is intuitive,
and hjkl for cursor movement is not intuitive. (Just extremely useful.)
>
>> One might remark "everyone knows what a power switch is" (and most
>> do, by prior learning); hence, a power switch, being well-known,
>> is something an interface designer can leverage for new designs
>> of power switches -- and possibly other things. This makes the
>> design useful.)
>
>And perhaps even intuitive.
Not by the dictionary definition. Of course, YMMV.
>
>>> How were those definitions better and simpler to understand?
>
>> Better and simpler to understand than what?
>
>Than the one I gave.
>
>> Pressing a button?
>
>Forget the definition I suggested already?
Yes. It has been "scrolled off" this news post and my newsreader (SLRN)
can't view messages by reference ID, unlike Netscape.
And no, I'm not going to drag out and fire up Netscape just for that. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:49:31 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Jim Richardson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:27:29 -0800
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:23:06 GMT,
> The Ghost In The Machine, in the persona of
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, brought forth the following words...:
>
><snip>
>
>>Actually, to be extremely silly about it, Notepad is a wrapper
>>around some sort of text widget, as far as I can tell.
>>But yes, it's a basic, somewhat useful text editor -- one of
>>several on Windows/DOS: edlin (yuck!) and edit (not too bad)
>>being the other two (wordpad and write understand fonts, so they're
>>more like basic word processors).
>>
>>And, as far as I can tell anyway, there's not a lot of common code
>>between them.
>>
>
>I am reminded that somewhere around the net, I saw a TkNotepad which
>the author wrote on a bet that he could duplicate Notepad, in <24hrs,
>in TCLTK. Did a nice job of it too.
Considering TclTK's competence (it's a powerful widget system),
that wouldn't be too difficult. However, he may have failed
to duplicate all of Notepad's bugs... :-) :-) :-)
(*Somebody* had to say it. :-) Personally, I can live without
duplicating the bugs.)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:51:45 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:36:06 GMT
<q7S_5.3832$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine writes:
>
>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
>>>> [snip]
>
>>>>>> Tholen...
>>>>>> when you finally realize how utterly worthless your life is...
>>>>>> remember to slit lengthwise.
>
>>>>> Kulkis, when you finally realize how utterly worthless your invective
>>>>> is, remember to come back here and apologize.
>
>>>> Is it me, or is there some sort of repeating pattern here? :-)
>
>>> I gather from your emoticon that you already know the answer. So why
>>> bother to ask the question?
>
>> So I have a sense of humor. :-P
>
>And you need to broadcast that information?
Better than broadcasting that one does *not* have a sense of humor,
methinks. :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:55:19 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 22:11:27 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>>
[snip]
>> You've now also got me wondering about solar ovens (made out of
>> aluminium foil). Presumably, that foil needs energy to produce --
>> quite a bit, if one uses bauxite; somewhat less if it's recycled.
>>
>> Ugh.
>
>The energy efficiency of using reflectors to boil water to turn
>turbines is MUCH better than photo-voltaic cells.
I wouldn't doubt it, but that's not the complete answer; how much
energy does it take to create the foil? That was part of the issue.
Mind you, it makes a difference whether we're talking about
creating it from bauxite (essentially, from scratch), or
from scrap aluminium; as I understand it, creating it from
scrap takes a lot less energy.
And I suspect the energy to create the foil (per square meter, say)
would be less than to create the glass, anyway. :-)
[snip]
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:09:45 -0800
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:56:51 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:47:06 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> >> The Bush campaign ran an add that made false claims about McCains
>> >> environmental record, and the ad was pulled shortly after it was aired.
>> >
>> >Proof?
>>
>> I'm not going to waste my time trying to change your mind, sorry. There
>> were articles about it in the New York Times if you're genuinely interested
>> in investigating it.
>
>Oh yeah, the NYT has never posted anything false about the Republicans
>before.
>
>It should be called the Clinton Times.
>
Really? Then why did it push for a whitewater investigation early on
in Clinton's administration? I suspect you don't read it.
----
Glenn Davies
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy
Subject: Re: A Microsoft exodus!
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 17:58:51 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tom Wilson
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 14:35:01 GMT
<pa4%5.1678$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>"The Ghost In The Machine" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in
>message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Tom Wilson
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> wrote
>> on Fri, 15 Dec 2000 07:58:05 GMT
>> <hak_5.1352$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> >
>> >"Charlie Ebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> BY THE WAY! {FACTOID}
>> >>
>> >> I started this thread to talk about the hacking into of
>> >> Microsoft and the theft of their operating system code
>> >> including Whistler.
>> >>
>> >> Isn't it interesting the comments and opinions of
>> >> the vast moron Windows using public.
>> >>
>> >> They are not even remotely concerned with the possibilities
>> >> of new hacks and viruses which will be launched due to
>> >> this code theft.
>> >
>> >There are a fair number of professionals out there who are rightly
>concerned
>> >about it. The home user couldn't care less, though.
>>
>> *This* home user might...if he were using Microsoft. :-)
>> (I haven't booted my dual-boot machine into Windows 95
>> for 83 days now -- see below.)
>
>Unfortunately, I hang around on the Microsoft partition most of the time
>(Programming). As soon as I slap together a machine powerful enough to run
>VMWare, that will change. I'm not about to try running Visual Studio 6 under
>Wine :)
Actually, that would be interesting. I'm not sure how well it will
work, of course (I don't have VC++ 6 at home), but Wine is evolving
fast enough that it just might function rather well.
In any event, one can "firewall" the machine to keep VC++ 6.0 from
doing anything too horribly nasty, especially if one has a second
disk free (I'll admit, not a lot of us have that luxury! :-) ).
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:02:21 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "glitch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > based on my typing skills for the subject im not the 'auther' of the
> > article, lol
> >
> > glitch wrote:
> > >
> > > http://www.msnbc.com/news/503816.asp
>
> <sigh> Gates doesn't have a conscience, huh?
>
> Never mind the billions he's given away in the name
> fo world heath standards and lessening the suffering
> of millions around the world.
>
> Let's also not mention that he has contributed hundreds
> of millions to local childrens and children-benefit organizations
> around the country to support inner-city and underprivileged children.
>
> These authors are a bunch of windbags who are nothing more
> than jealous.
It is very easy to be charitable with ill gotten gains.
Think about all the companies he has ruined with dirty tricks. Think
about the workers and investors that have lost billions because of his
anti-competitive behavior. Think about all the lost productivity from
his crappy software.
The amount of money he has "given" to charity is inconsequential in
comparison to what he takes by means of illegal monopolistic practices.
The foundation is nothing more than a P.R. thing to make the robber
baron feel better about his image.
--
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From: spam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 10:13:52 -0800
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 16:56:51 GMT, "Chad Myers"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:47:06 GMT, Chad Myers wrote:
>>
>> >> The Bush campaign ran an add that made false claims about McCains
>> >> environmental record, and the ad was pulled shortly after it was aired.
>> >
>> >Proof?
>>
>> I'm not going to waste my time trying to change your mind, sorry. There
>> were articles about it in the New York Times if you're genuinely interested
>> in investigating it.
>
>Oh yeah, the NYT has never posted anything false about the Republicans
>before.
>
>It should be called the Clinton Times.
>
>-Chad
>
A couple of Bush's budies in the Texas petrochemical industry set up a
Virginia based lobby group called "Republican's For Clean Air" and
started running ads against McCain for not voting for a certain bill
(that wasn't support by the majority of republicans in congress).
----
Glenn Davies
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Corel to pull out of Linux
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:05:16 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, kiwiunixman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sun, 17 Dec 2000 00:30:09 GMT
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I can't download (very sucessfully) 650MB iso images as I only have a
>56L modem. If I were in the US, I would not have any problems (due to
>the affordability of cable modems etc.).
If you are using FTP, most sites support REGET if your link goes down.
Of course, it still takes a week or so, and, unless you have a second
phone line, probably rather annoying to one's significant other(s). :-)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED....
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:15:21 GMT
On 17 Dec 2000 04:28:55 -0800,
Tim Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>Name one thing, just one thing Microsoft actually
>>invented.
>
>What's the point? It's very hard to find *any* software for *any*
>platform that wasn't in some way anticipated, or inspired, or influenced
>by something earlier. No matter what anyone names, you'll be able to
>show that Microsoft didn't invent it...just like you'd be able to show
>that Sun and Apple, for example, did not invent anything, if you wished.
>
>Try asking a meaningful question, if you actually want answers.
>
>--Tim Smith
Very simple. The MAIN reason people keep hollering they cling
to Microsoft is THEIR belief that Microsoft has actually
contributed to the PC industry.
Other than SALES, they have contributed nothing.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Tell us Why you use Windows over Linux.
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:18:28 GMT
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:07:03 +0000,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Black Dragon wrote:
>>
>> On Fri, 15 Dec 2000 00:50:11 GMT in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> `Charlie Ebert' said:
>>
>> : Here's another interesting - unsolvable thread.
>> :
>> : Name the THING you can do with Windows you
>> : CAN NOT do with Linux.
>>
>> Simple: B.S.O.D.
>>
>I have a screen saver on Linux that does a BSOD :-)
>
>--
>http://www.guild.bham.ac.uk/chess-club
I think the point was that Microsoft had invented
the B.S.O.D. and that Linux's screen saver was
indeed an emulation of B.S.O.D. as nothing actually
crashed and burned.
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:19:51 GMT
On Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:51:09 GMT,
Otto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:91bht2$ii4$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
<Huge snipty-do-ha>
>
>Otto
>
>
Linux does for computers what Viagra does for men.
It get's them UP baby!
Charlie
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Adam Schuetze)
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: adam at adam-schuetze dot org
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 18:25:31 GMT
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:38:34 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> There is one nice thing about the RedHat graphical installation.
> If you customize it, then you can go through each package and read
> a blurb about it, which helps you decide if you want it loaded.
You know, the one thing I think is missing from this
installation procedure (and probably others, I haven't used many
others), is the capability to save a record of the list of
packages you selected. There is SO much stuff no that cd.
Would be nice to be able to keep a record on floppy or
something. That way, if you want to install again later (or on
multiple machines) you can use this record from floppy to
simplify the installation across multiple machines.
later,
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: Is Windows an operating system like Linux?
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:05:52 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 17:17:45 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>I saw a post that said Windows NT is not an operating system, but is an
>application, I thought about it and responded. However, I want to post a
>little bit more for debate.
>
>Windows 9x is a shell over DOS. There are those that argue that it is
>not on top of DOS but is in control of DOS, this making it an operating
>system, but I disagree.
>
>Windows 9x/ME is as much an operating system as DesqView's QEMM was, or
>as much as Pharlaps dos extender. The same techniques are used. So
>arguments that Windows 9x is an OS seem pretty much irrelevant. The fact
>still remains that real mode x86 DOS code which boots the machine
>remains after Windows is started, and therefor Windows 9x can not be
>considered as a real operating system like UNIX or VMS.
>
>Windows NT/2K is a different issue. Is it an OS, the easy answer is yes,
>but it isn't if you think about it from the point of view of a windows
>program. There are few, if any, actual NT programs.
>
>Windows programs on NT run in a "Win32 subsystem." The actual OS
>constructs are not available through the Windows API, and are emulated
>by the environment. So a Windows program runs on NT in much the same way
>the Wine runs Windows programs under Linux. Windows NT most closely
>resembles VMS internally, and was originally planned to be a portable
>version of OS/2. It was not intended to be Windows, so it really isn't
>Windows either.
>
>So, one could say that there are no operating systems which run Windows
>programs.
Windows 9x is in fact a true operating system, by virtue of VMM,
and has been since about Windows 3.11. So says Andrew Schullman in
_Unauthorized Windows95_ (about page 43 or so, in this particular
edition: "Who's Afraid of MS-DOS?"). This is a dry, highly
technical work; he is not afraid to back up his assertions with
code snippets and debug runs.
Windows 9x also uses DOS to accomplish certain goals; DOS in this
case is run in a "box" of its own (actually, a V86 task).
All this doesn't mean of course that Windows is good, merely that there
is much confusion as to the "state of the code", and as to what
an OS is -- how does one "integrate" a web browser into an OS, for
example? Mr. Schullman would probably lambaste Redmond for that one
(he already flays the term "integrate" practically in the ground in
his work as it is -- and this was written back in 1994, when it was
still called "Chicago"). And besides, it has been claimed here that the
true OS is in fact the kernel -- the package running in the highest
privileged structure of a modern processor (as opposed to user-level
stuff). Integrating a browser into that would be a non-sequitor of
the finest order. :-)
Windows certainly is a very confused package of code, in many respects;
I'm not even sure what scheduling algorithm is used in order to
arbitrate task switching, for example. And we certainly can't
see it, as it's not open source.
This confusion may extend all the way to Redmond's marketing department.
Does anyone else remember TSR's? Windows does. Oh, they've been
renamed VxD's, and have some new capabilities, but they still inherit
many of the problems of the old TSR's -- one of them being "load
me last". (WinE -- http://www.winehq.com -- will never support
any but a few token VxD's, and for good reason.) I think they
don't need to be loaded into conventional memory anymore -- but
I still can't play Delta-V. [*]
Linux is a fair bit cleaner, even with Tux (which integrates a
web *server* into the kernel, or part of it; I'm not familiar enough
with it to be sure which part). Of course, Linux is a complex
beastie in itself; it contains memory management, disk partition
management, file and directory management within loosely-integrated
module code (/usr/src/linux/fs/*/*.c) using several rather elegant
structures of function pointers [+] -- one might call it "COM within
Linux", albeit more specialized (and probably better implemented) --
timers, interrupts, DMA, and some code to allow G++ to build Linux
kernels (sitting in /usr/src/linux/scripts) and for Linux to get
started from a cold boot (/usr/src/linux/arch/*/boot) to presumably,
among other things, set up initial TSS structures in ix86 hardware,
and equivalent stuff in other machine architectures. I'd have to look.
And of course it's quite open; anyone can download the kernel,
look at it, dissect it, analyze it, change it, even mash it into
something very strange -- I could see a total masochist trying to put
Linux onto a hopped-up 1802, for example. (That's an 8-bit
microprocessor, so it would have to be very heavily modified to support
more than 64K! But I was able to hack a 512 x 192 display on
the 1861 -- the video chip -- with a frequency divider and
some additional logic, so who knows? I'm not *that* smart. :-) )
And Linux doesn't have TSR's. :-)
There is the faint possibility that Microsoft might take WinE,
dissect *it*, pour Windows code into it, package it up, and
then release it to the world as an "operating environment" or
shared library set, along with its flagship programs such as Word,
Office, and such. I rather doubt it, admittedly.
>
>--
>http://www.mohawksoft.com
[*] an old DOS-based CD-ROM game, which required 600 K of conventional
memory to run, plus additional memory (extended? expanded? I
can't remember now!), and the CD-ROM, which required quite a bit
of finagling with CONFIG.SYS. It was basically a _Neuromancer_
derivative flight simulator (one "flies" through cyberspace
to accomplish various tasks).
[+] struct file_operations, struct inode_operations,
struct super_operations, struct dquot_operations, all declared
in /usr/include/linux/fs.h .
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Subject: Re: MASTERTRADE LINUX ROLL-OUT 11-12-00
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:07:52 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Erik Funkenbusch
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:40:12 -0600
<IMU_5.10848$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>"Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:91h2er$b7c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> I notice Microsoft has Services for UNIX:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win2000/win2ksrv/technote/sfuintro.asp
>
>Microsoft has had services for unix for years. This is nothing new.
Not only that, but they *improved* them. Look at Kerberos, for
example. :-)
(Kidding...kidding...put down that tomato....)
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