Linux-Advocacy Digest #951, Volume #30 Mon, 18 Dec 00 00:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Colin R. Day")
Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action ("Colin R. Day")
Re: Conclusion (Jim Richardson)
Re: Is Windows an operating system like Linux? (Ian Pulsford)
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (Jim Richardson)
Re: Conclusion (Jim Richardson)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Jim Richardson)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Pan)
Re: "Is the end looming for the Microsoft monopoly?" (kiwiunixman)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Gary Hallock)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source (Gary Hallock)
Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius (kiwiunixman)
Re: Conclusion (sfcybear)
Re: Conclusion (sfcybear)
Re: MASTERTRADE LINUX ROLL-OUT 11-12-00 (kiwiunixman)
Re: Conclusion (sfcybear)
Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black) ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Caifornia power shortage... (kiwiunixman)
Re: Linux is awful (Chris Ahlstrom)
Re: Conclusion ("Adam Warner")
Re: Linux lacks (kiwiunixman)
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:15:19 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> > And what OSes are less of an administrative headache?
>
> Well, Windows has gone a long way into making administrative tasks easier,
> and more straightforward.
How?
> Apple is showing that UNIX can be powerful and
> simple to administer. And for the diehard maschorist, editing the legacy
> UNIX settings is also available.
>
What's masochistic about editing text files?
>
> > > Exactly, it was invented in the 60's, instituted in the 70's, and
> abandoned
> > > in the 90's. Why? Because the OS is a whole component, it's programs
> are
> > > another component. Blending the two togather is an unnessecary,
> complicated
> > > and dumb idea when we no longer have to resolve issues as "terminal
> > > compatibility" and "technological propriotorization".
> > >
> >
> > And does Linux blend them together more than other OSes?
>
> No, Linux splits the user interface and treats it like it were a program.
And this is a problem?
>
> UNIX did this because IT HAD NO CHOICE. Linux does this because...???
> Well, the CLAIMS are pretty lame, ("Winloosers" is the worst excuse I've
> ever herd for keeping Linux being as intuitave as a rectal exam.)
Get a clue.
Colin Day
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:16:39 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> Your kidding, right?
No. I'm being serious. Are you doubting that this occurred?
>
>
> "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >
> > > Here's a fucking concept, just PLUG IT IN.
> > >
> > > Doesn't work? Put in the CDROM that "it" is asking for, and get about
> your
> > > business.
> > >
> > > That's something that Linux can NEVER copy.
> >
> > Why should I have to install a CD just to install a device. Case in point:
> > when I installed my HP Laserjet 6P in Linux, it was just a matter of
> > making a few choices. With Windows, I had to use a separate CD, hunt
> > down the drivers, and install them. Why does Windows make it so hard?
> >
> > Colin Day
> >
Colin Day
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From: "Colin R. Day" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: OS and Product Alternative Names - Idiocy in action
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 22:19:33 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Colin R. Day
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:41:15 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >the_blur wrote:
> >
> >
> >> the
> >> > only way to protect this country. Can you PROVE the contrary?
> >>
> >> Your statement:
> >> Maybe our insulting Microsoft is the only way to protect this country.
> >>
> >> The negative / contrary statement to the above is:
> >>
> >> Maybe our insulting Microsoft is NOT the only way to protect this country.
> >>
> >> I think we can agree that he statement above is in theory at least, true. =)
> >> I think that's why we have armed forces =)
> >>
> >
> >As long as they don't use NT on warships!
>
> The problem was not with NT, but with an application that couldn't
> handle divide by zero, and ultimately disabled the ship for
> various reasons.
And FreeBSD wouldn't have handled that more robustly?
Colin Day
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 12:33:05 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 15:42:55 +0200,
Ayende Rahien, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Otto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:RrX_5.95278$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>
>
>> : 2) If going through a proxy, great, Netcraft measures the proxy box,
>not
>> : the web servers. If you're scenario is correct, then Netcraft reports
>the
>> : Unix, not the NT. So what? There are plenty of NT sites out there that
>> : don't use balancing, which can be reported on. Besides, this is true
>for
>> : Unix sites as well, so it should balance out.
>>
>> So what? It means that the numbers are not accurate at best. Besides, if
>> Netcraft reports Unix instead of NT wouldn't it mean that all of the
>uptime
>> for Unix is actually NT :)?
>
>Actually, this would cause a big problem to Netcraft.
>Unix reports its uptime in 10s of ms, NT in 100s of ms.
>If a unix report the uptime, and it's an NT server that Netcraft detect,
>the uptime drop down like a rock.
>
>
You are not paying attention, if Netcraft gets stopped by the firewall, and
that firewall is Unix (or NT for that matter) then that is what gets reported
in the uptime. Netcraft does not report the wrong OS, it reports the firewall
instead of the webserver. So if your firewall is Unix, but your webserver is
NT, then Unix gets reported, with the unix boxes uptime. Simple really. you
should read more carefully methinks.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 13:41:16 +1000
From: Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Is Windows an operating system like Linux?
Terry Porter wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 11:25:46 +1000, Ian Pulsford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Well I guess so if you want to be pedantic and rehash another done-to-death
> >boring thread.
> I thought mlw's article was rather clever myself :)
>
The thread has been done to death a dozen times before.
IanP
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:10:11 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 14 Dec 2000 06:24:44 GMT,
kiwiunixman, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>>>>>> "Aaron" == Aaron R Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>>>>>>
>>
>> Aaron> Why would the governments need to "promote" conservation
>> Aaron> and efficiency... that's what the price increase does.
>>
>> There are always some people who are too rich to be affected by such
>> price increases. To make them waste less energy by bringing up the
>> price is too infeasible. (Making the price too high would affect poor
>> people's normal life, even if they are already saving every bit of
>> Watt that they can.
>Targeted income related benefits would solve the problem. Hence, only
>the low income would receive relief whilst the fat cats pay the price
>for wasting electricity/resources.
Would that include the "fat cats" who make stuff in industies? or are you going
to give them a break ?
>
>kiwiunixman
>
>
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:19:33 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:36:51 +0200,
Ayende Rahien, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:91jkjb$l5k$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Good point, I must acquiesce to your statement. Let's then add the 4th to
>> my list:
>>
>> 4) Companies that use Windows (not windows itself) attracts poor quality
>> sys admins, because they can't afford anything else. Companies that use
>> Unix attract higher quality sys admins because they can afford them.
>
>5) Companies that use Windows don't bother to hire full-time sys admins.
>Which leads to users playing at being administrators without the knowledge
>they need to. You *can't* play with linux as root without having the proper
>knowledge, the system is too complex to let you do this. And if you aquire
>some small knowledge you'll kill the system totally so fast that it wouldn't
>have time to be unstable. On general, I would say that Windows systems can
>be more stable under ignorant users than a *nix, and as stable as a *nix
>under compotent administrators.
I disagree, Unix has far fewer "one point failures" like the registry
Sure, you can screw up the system, or more accurately, a subsystem, easily
with misused root privs, but no matter how bad you screw up the sendmail.cf
file, the http server is unaffected.
>
>Anyone else encountered users doing this rm /tmp ?
>
nah, although I am sure it could happen. No system is foolproof, some just seem
(NT for example) to beg for fools to tickle them to death.
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Jim Richardson)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:24:00 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Mon, 18 Dec 2000 02:12:00 GMT,
Chad C. Mulligan, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
brought forth the following words...:
>
>"Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Not a big enough market.
>>
>> In other words, no one in their right mind would want to run NT on S/390.
>> But there are lots of people who want to run Linux on S/390. I wonder
>why?
>>
>
>Define "lots" and list a few examples outside of academia or IBM's research
>divisions.
What's wrong with academia? is that not "real work" or something?
--
Jim Richardson
Anarchist, pagan and proud of it
WWW.eskimo.com/~warlock
Linux, because life's too short for a buggy OS.
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From: Pan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:17:14 -0800
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> > Vapourware isn't even a possibility in that environment.
> >
> > Vapourware is when you've got nothing.
> >
> > Vapourware is a corporate product.
> >
>
> No, vapourware is sucking people into using beta code and never releasing
> the product. There is no release so there is no product. Beta == vapour.
I see. What you are really saying is that you are afraid that these
products will develop a userbase.
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://salvador.venice.ca.us
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: "Is the end looming for the Microsoft monopoly?"
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:19:20 GMT
The average Computer Luser is as think as two short planks, the same
dip-shits who can't even setup a VCR for christ's Sake! Fuck, I setup a
VCR at the age of 9! because I read the fucking manual (RTFM). The
average person is like a sheep! people still take up smoking even though
thousands die each year! people still drink and drive even though they
could be caught and lose their license! Until the average user wakes up
and relises that they can think for them selves, and that they donot
have to be influenced by the big corperations (such as Microsoft), the
cycle will repeat, and Microsoft knows they can get away with it.
Unfortunately, Linux is like the reformation Martin Luther wanted in the
Catholic Church, Catholicism (in this example, Microsoft) was literately
screwing the naive follows, however, Martin Luther (in this example,
Linux) want to wake the mass's and show their are alternatives to the
status quo. However, this didnot happen overnight, and as Linux users
we must relise that it will take time before the mass's wake up from the
Microsoft enduced zombieness, and relise there are alternatives.
kiwiunixman
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/15526.html
>
> One can but hope.
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
--
"Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
"Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
____
Unix Programmer:
"If it an't broken, don't fix it"
Microsoft Programmer:
"If it an't broken and working perfectly, then their must be a problem"
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:19:54 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> "Gary Hallock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Not a big enough market.
> >
> > In other words, no one in their right mind would want to run NT on S/390.
> > But there are lots of people who want to run Linux on S/390. I wonder
> why?
> >
>
> Define "lots" and list a few examples outside of academia or IBM's research
> divisions.
>
> > Gary
> >
How about this as an example:
http://www.ibm.com/software/news-alert/20001208/lxtla/
Gary
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Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 23:33:20 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
"Chad C. Mulligan" wrote:
>
> Where is the open source product? (HINT: Product != Alpha, Beta or Release
> Candidate build)
>
Are you really that dense or are you just being argumentative? Let's review.
Two months ago Sun releases the development copy of Star Office 6.0 as Open
Source. They decide not to release the source code for he current released
product, version 5.2. There could be any number of reasons for them not
releasing the 5.2 source. Perhaps there was code that they were not legally
allowed to release. In any case, they do release the development copy of 6.0.
Two months later you download a copy of Star Office 5.2 (a closed source
product and still closed source to this day), complain about the registration
process, and use that as evidence that open source is dying.
Now that you have been told that what you downloaded was not open source, you
change your argument by saying that since there has been no development in 2
years on the open source version of Star Office (a total lie) and there is
still no release version of the open source version 6.0 that open source is
dying. Well, Chad, it has only been two months, NOT 2 years, since the
release of the source code. Where is the logic in your argument?
Gary
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: i LOVE this- the auther is a genius
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 17:37:39 +1300
<snype>
> Never mind the billions he's given away in the name
> fo world heath standards and lessening the suffering
> of millions around the world.
Learn the survival of the fittest and biology, then jump back and crap
on about helping the poor. Bill Gates is basically postponing the
inevitable. Disease and famine and natures way of controlling
population, and eventually disease will win in the end. If you look in
a dish of bacteria, they breed and multiply until all the resources are
used, then due to a lack of necessities, the bacteria die off until the
population to a manageable level.
<snype>
--
"Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
"Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
____
Unix Programmer:
"If it an't broken, don't fix it"
Microsoft Programmer:
"If it an't broken and working perfectly, then their must be a problem"
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:29:27 GMT
In article <91jm3l$ju3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:91j8d6$8mk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <91j657$bib$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:91irk1$381$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > In theory, there should be no more than 497 days uptime
reported
> > for
> > > those
> > > > > systems. Nonetheless it does not stop Netcraft to post numbers
> > > otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > Show me a HP-UX, Linux, or Solaris site on there that shows more
> > than 497
> > > > days uptime. There are some FreeBSD sites, but my guess is that
> > they are
> > > > the older releases. There is a Solaris box that shows 492 days
> > uptime,
> > > but
> > > > that's less than 497. Be honest, you just assumed that they
posted
> > > uptimes
> > > > over 497 days, didn't you. You didn't really check.
> > >
> > > I can show you NT sites that has > 49.7 days cycle.
> > >
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?display=&site=www.starbucks.com
> >
> >
> > You might want to READ what you post! Starbucks is a W2K site AND
the
> > Starbucks netcraft page has a VERY clear statement about NT:
>
> Win2K uses the same uptime scheme that NT uses, 100s of ms.
> Therefor, it resets itself every 49.7 days
> How did Netcraft listed starbucks' uptime, then?
Evedently, you are wrong. Just as wrong as the poster that claimed
starbucks was running NT. never mind that YOU yourself claimed it as
valid some time ago!
>
>
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:32:39 GMT
In article <91jm3l$ju3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "sfcybear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:91j8d6$8mk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <91j657$bib$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > > "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:91irk1$381$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >
> > > > > In theory, there should be no more than 497 days uptime
reported
> > for
> > > those
> > > > > systems. Nonetheless it does not stop Netcraft to post numbers
> > > otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > Show me a HP-UX, Linux, or Solaris site on there that shows more
> > than 497
> > > > days uptime. There are some FreeBSD sites, but my guess is that
> > they are
> > > > the older releases. There is a Solaris box that shows 492 days
> > uptime,
> > > but
> > > > that's less than 497. Be honest, you just assumed that they
posted
> > > uptimes
> > > > over 497 days, didn't you. You didn't really check.
> > >
> > > I can show you NT sites that has > 49.7 days cycle.
> > >
http://uptime.netcraft.com/up/graph?display=&site=www.starbucks.com
> >
> >
> > You might want to READ what you post! Starbucks is a W2K site AND
the
> > Starbucks netcraft page has a VERY clear statement about NT:
>
> Win2K uses the same uptime scheme that NT uses, 100s of ms.
> Therefor, it resets itself every 49.7 days
> How did Netcraft listed starbucks' uptime, then?
>
opps, sorry, I thought I was replying to Eric. Thanks Eric for again
pointing out the changed stack and sorry for thinking rhat this was you.
Sorry, Ayende Rahien, you are... How should I put this? Wrong again.
>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MASTERTRADE LINUX ROLL-OUT 11-12-00
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:42:14 GMT
Have you read the MSDN support group for UNIX services, there are so
many people whinning about the instability, unrelibility and security
problems, I wouldn't touch Windows 2000 Server or MS Unix Services with
a 40ft pole.
kiwiunixman
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:91h2er$b7c$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>> I notice Microsoft has Services for UNIX:
>> http://www.microsoft.com/technet/win2000/win2ksrv/technote/sfuintro.asp
>
>
> Microsoft has had services for unix for years. This is nothing new.
--
"Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
"Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
____
Unix Programmer:
"If it an't broken, don't fix it"
Microsoft Programmer:
"If it an't broken and working perfectly, then their must be a problem"
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From: sfcybear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:36:45 GMT
In article <FTd%5.10922$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
"Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Adam Ruth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:91irk1$381$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > So what? It means that the numbers are not accurate at best.
Besides, if
> > > Netcraft reports Unix instead of NT wouldn't it mean that all of
the
> > uptime
> > > for Unix is actually NT :)?
> >
> > Netcraft will see a frontline Unix box, pull the uptime of that
frontline
> > Unix box and report the value of the uptime as Unix. You quote
their FAQ
> to
> > me but clearly you didn't read it. Sure the web server may be NT,
but
> they
> > never measure it. If the firewall is running Unix, then the site is
> > reported as a Unix site and the uptime is for that Unix box. That's
how
> it
> > works. The same would be true if the OS's were reversed. That's
why I
> said
> > "so what?".
>
> That's not true. If it were, you'd see a Unix based OS running IIS
(since
> Netcraft get's the web server string from the HTTP HEAD request).
While I
> have seen that a few times, it's nowhere near prevelant which tells me
that
> the mechanism Netcraft uses to determine OS passes through a firewall
but
> the uptimes do not.
>
Or, that IIS, is not as popular as you think it is! OR I could be the
configuration that would result in this error is not as popular as you
think it is. OR the packets are not handled the way YOU think they are.
With the amount of error from the winsupporters in this group it is hard
to beleive what is said here unless actual proof is attached.
>
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Predictions (featuring Drestin Black)
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:46:49 GMT
Maybe it's time for a better Linux, you know, something worthy of charging
for.
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2000 19:22:34 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The
> Ghost In The Machine) wrote:
>
>
> >And this means Linux is in major trouble?
> >
> >Spot The Flaw.
>
> The flaw is that major corporations want a total service solution, not
> a support structure that is internet based.
>
> Also if Redhat a major player is having problems and Corel are having
> problems what does that say about Open Source and the concept of Linux
> in general?
>
> It says, there is little money to be made.
>
>
>
> Flatfish
> Why do they call it a flatfish?
> Remove the ++++ to reply.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Caifornia power shortage...
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 04:52:26 GMT
<snype>
> Would that include the "fat cats" who make stuff in industies? or are you going
> to give them a break ?
I think with the generous tax concessions they receive from certain
state governments, they can afford it. Here in NZ(I know, I know, it is
very redundant), if companies want sweeteners (like leniency in
environmental legislation to suck companies towards their state/area)
the government tells them to fuck off, hence the reason why 1. we don't
have big companies like microsoft bribing parties (aka Republicans) to
get their own way in a lawsuit, 2. economic growth is not achieved at
the detriment of the environment, 3. money is not sucked away from
Health, Education and Social Welfare. After looking a company that
set-up shop in a state in the US and the damage they did to the
environment, which then impacted onto the surrounding residence, I am
happy were I am, in a clean, green, safe country.
kiwiunixman
--
"Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
"Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
____
Unix Programmer:
"If it an't broken, don't fix it"
Microsoft Programmer:
"If it an't broken and working perfectly, then their must be a problem"
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From: Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.linux,comp.os.linux.x,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,alt.os.linux,alt.os.linux.mandrake
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 05:01:37 GMT
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Adam Schuetze" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > You know, the one thing I think is missing from this
> > installation procedure (and probably others, I haven't used many
> > others), is the capability to save a record of the list of
> > packages you selected. There is SO much stuff no that cd.
> > Would be nice to be able to keep a record on floppy or
> > something. That way, if you want to install again later (or on
> > multiple machines) you can use this record from floppy to
> > simplify the installation across multiple machines.
>
> Actually, I think Linux would do much better if they just created a simple
> base install that got the system up and working with base services, then
> allowed you to have a nice utility to install supplementary packages later.
> Sure you can do this by hand, and some distro's even give you some crude
> tools, but it's not the way that they expect you to install it. Everytime
> i've seen a distro that offered a utility to install packages after the
> install, it was basically a hacked in version of the original install,
> rather than an extended utility which gives more information.
You might want to try RPMs, then.
Also need to define "base services".
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From: "Adam Warner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Conclusion
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:02:53 +1200
Hi Everyone,
> > Anyone else encountered users doing this rm /tmp ?
Now would be a good time to ask: what's wrong with deleting files in the
/tmp directory?
:-)
Adam
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 18:06:31 +1300
<snype>
> I fully agree. The day before yesterday, I gave an introduction to KDE on
> a computerclub (95% Windows, 3% Macintosh, 1% Atari and 1% Linux). I got
> the answer that my presentation wasn't going to convert them into
> Linux-users. I asked them what they want. The main reason was that they
> all want to develop apps, but using Visual Basic. Although I tried to
> reason them that support for VB isn't going into Linux (since VB 100%
> relies on Win-API's) they didn't bow. Even informing them that Kylix
> ("Delphi for Linux") is coming into the scene, they wanted a
> user-environment, visually programmable, that copes with databases (esp.
> MDB's - MS Access) without writing 100 lines of code. Argumenting that SQL
> is stronger than MS Access-db's didn't help.
>
> There are always reasons to stay with Windows. Using Win-files is the
> greatest one. When Linux would support Word-doc's, MSACCESS, VB-code,
> Win-screensavers, ... they would step into Linux right away...
>
Access is the biggest joke next to Microsoft, I absolute refuse to use
such as piece of shyte. I prefer (on a Wintel Machine) using either
Lotus Approach 9.5 or Filemaker 5 (used on both Mac and Wintel).
kiwiunixman
<snype>
--
"Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
"Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
Naked Gun 33 1/3
____
Unix Programmer:
"If it an't broken, don't fix it"
Microsoft Programmer:
"If it an't broken and working perfectly, then their must be a problem"
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