Linux-Advocacy Digest #951, Volume #32 Tue, 20 Mar 01 23:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (mlw)
Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie! (mlw)
Re: Here's a load of horse crap ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (mlw)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (mlw)
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (mlw)
Re: What is user friendly? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban (mlw)
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:13:10 -0500
The Ghost In The Machine wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy, mlw
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote
> on Tue, 20 Mar 2001 16:55:33 -0500
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >>
> >> mlw wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I did what I said, and I got no errors.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe you're the one who's lying.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I'm lying, how come I using KDE 2.1 _right now_?
> >> >
> >> > Unless you explicitly removed the previous version of KDE you should not
> >> > have been able to install the new version without a -U.
> >> >
> >> > How do you explain that?
> >>
> >> OK, I must have used rpm -U. My mistake.
> >
> >really now, just "rpm -U *.rpm"
> >
> >Again, that will not work without any warning messages either. You will get a
> >few "xxx conflicts with...." warning messages. At least try what you claim to
> >have done, before you post. Jeez.
>
> Actually, I don't think that'll work at all, rpm -U requires
> package names, not package filenames. One can do something silly
> like
>
> rpm -U `ls *.rpm | sed 's,\.rpm$,,'`
>
This is the problem, we could all figure out how to change the scenario
presented to fit the facts, but that does not mean the scenario, as presented,
fits the facts. It is a very big difference.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Unix/Linux Professionalism
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:09:20 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> > "." wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >> >> > "." wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Stephen S. Edwards II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
> >> >> >> > Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > 8<SNIP>8
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > First of all, Aaron R. Kulkis is considered a
> >> >> >> > blithering idiot by both COLA and COMNA
> >> >> >> > participants. Secondly, if you think that
> >> >> >> > there are no irrational, childish, idiotic
> >> >> >> > NT advocates, then you might want to lurk
> >> >> >> > about on some of the various IRC nets.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Actually, kulkis and chad meyers are almost exactly the same person.
>Substitute
> >> >> >> "linux" for "windows" appropriately, and you absolutely cannot tell them
> >> >> >> apart.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Wrong.
> >> >>
> >> >> You appear to be the only one who thinks so, again, just like chad.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I know what the fuck I'm talking about.
> >> >>
> >> >> With a few things yes, just like chad. But but your paranoid political
>philosophies
> >> >> are IDENTICAL to chads.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I have the university
> >> >> > education
> >> >>
> >> >> So does chad, and so do I.
> >> >>
> >> >> > AND the real-world experience to know what the fuck
> >> >> > I'm talking about.
> >> >>
> >> >> Chad says he does too.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Chad, on the other hand, spews Microsoft propaganda.
> >> >>
> >> >> You spout the same paranoid conspiracy theorist crap.
> >> >>
> >> >> > I wonder how much they pay him each month to post his propaganda.
> >> >>
> >> >> Ah, theres that paranoia again.
> >> >>
> >> >> > And yes, Microsoft DOES pay people to post on this and other newsgroups.
> >> >>
> >> >> Alright kulkis, ive asked you before and youve patently refused, but how bout
> >> >> some absolute evidence of this statement?
> >> >>
> >>
> >> > You forget the discovery of the "astroturfing" campaign so quickly?
> >>
> >> > For those who don't get it...that was Microsoft's decision to start
> >> > financing a campaign of paid correspondance to *LOOK LIKE* "grassroots"
> >> > support.
> >>
> >> > fake grass => astroturf.
> >>
> >> Right, I remember that, but I also dont remember seeing ANY kind of evidence
> >> that there were ever microsoft plants in COLA. I'm not saying that it hasnt
>
> > Got alzheimer's?
>
> Got a link? Thats all im really asking for. Lets say for the moment that I am
> moderately retarded and have no capacity for retention at all.
Then discussing anything with you is pointless, isn't it.
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: KDE 2.1 oopsie!
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:13:58 -0500
Mart van de Wege wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "mlw"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Pete Goodwin wrote:
> >>
> >> mlw wrote:
> >>
> >> >> I did what I said, and I got no errors.
> >> >>
> >> >> Maybe you're the one who's lying.
> >> >>
> >> >> If I'm lying, how come I using KDE 2.1 _right now_?
> >> >
> >> > Unless you explicitly removed the previous version of KDE you should
> >> > not have been able to install the new version without a -U.
> >> >
> >> > How do you explain that?
> >>
> >> OK, I must have used rpm -U. My mistake.
> >
> > really now, just "rpm -U *.rpm"
> >
> > Again, that will not work without any warning messages either. You will
> > get a few "xxx conflicts with...." warning messages. At least try what
> > you claim to have done, before you post. Jeez.
> >
> Should I chime in here? I grant that I last used rpm at version 3.04, and
> it is now at version 4.01 I believe, but:
> 1. it is quite possible to install using rpm -i over an old installation,
> it is just not recommended practice.
> 2. rpm -Uvh *.rpm on a directory full of rpms *will* sort out the
> dependencies. That really threw me when I first tried it, as I was used to
> the usual 'can't install foo ; foo depends on bar' error messages.
>
> Once again my knowledge of rpm is about 5 months out of date, so any
> errors in the above are my responsibility and mine alone.
This is the problem, we could all figure out how to change the scenario
presented to fit the facts, but that does not mean the scenario, as presented,
fits the facts. It is a very big difference.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.destroy.microsoft
Subject: Re: Here's a load of horse crap
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:10:29 -0500
Giuliano Colla wrote:
>
> Ed Allen wrote:
> >
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >Weevil wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Shades <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> news:990osv$gbn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >
> > >> > I suppose those lightbulbs are innovative ideas in the software industry
> > >> and
> > >> > in the next picture he gets up and stomps all over them :-)
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> > > http://www.microsoft.com/billgates/default.asp
> > >> > >
> > >> > > --
> > >> > > [ Do Not Make Illegal Copies of This Message ]
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >> Q: How many Microsoft programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
> > >>
> > >> A: Three. Two to hold the ladder and one to hammer the bulb into the
> > >> faucet.
> > >
> > >Sorry, wrong answer. The correct answer is:
> > >
> > >None. If the bulb goes off then MS declares darkness the new standard.
> >
> > That is the old answer but his provides enjoyment through
> > afterthoughts.
> >
> > Like:
> >
> > How many do they break before they figure they need something to
> > cushion the hammer blows ?
> >
> > After making the cushion device and getting it into the faucet they
> > will need to make an extraction tool before they can run electric
> > wires through the water pipe.
> >
> > They will need to hire more lawyers to patent this new technology
> > they are inventing.
> >
> > Life is hard when you are a Softie.
>
> You forgot the following.
>
> Once they've finally figured out that in order to insert the bulb you
> must push it in and then turn, you have:
>
> Q: How many Microsoft programmers does it take to change a light bulb?
>
> A: Five: one to push the bulb, and four to rotate the ladder.
>
You forgot the one who has to go under the sink and turn off the
water supplies to the faucet.
> >
> > --
> > GPL says
> > "What's mine is ours,
> > If you make *OUR* stuff better the result is still ours."
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:11:48 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "Mart van de Wege" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In article <3ab61681$0$44575$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jon Johanson"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > <snip some some stuff>
> > >
> > > At least they can hit something - unlike the rest of the world's
> > > military.
> > >
> > >
> > Hmm,
> >
> > One example: the Dutch Royal Marine Corps. One of the toughest bunch of
> > bastards you've ever seen. Served with distinction in Cambodia, Beirut
> > and Bosnia (after our braindead politicians realized that that is no
> > place for lightly armed, unsupported troops).
> > And this is only a small example, I think a lot of Europeans can think 2
> > or 3 more for their own homelands.
> > Please refrain from making unsupported and unsupportable claims, you'll
> > only make yourself look foolish.
>
> But, when it comes down to it, when something needs to get done in the
> world, only the Americans can seem to get it done.
>
> -c
"The reason why it is so difficult to fight against the Americans
is because their leaders refuse to follow their own doctrine"
-- Some German general shortly after the end of World War 2.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:18:15 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > You must not have any Windows experience. BSOD is the "Blue Screen Of
> Death."
> > A constant reminder ho bad MS really is.
>
> Given that Windows is all I do, and NT 4 is where I began and W2K is my
> daily life I'd say I've had WAY more than you and I've never seen a BSOD
> except those cute ads in the magazines.
lol, there is no way you can be serious. One needn't even continue reading your
posts.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:20:26 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> Not true - I don't know anyone who's had any problems with W2K beyond what
> any ordinary user might with any OS. Damn stable is what EVERYONE reports.
lol, it get funnier every time. Damn!! You don't expect anyone to believe your
crap, do you?
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:18:55 -0500
Craig Oshima wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
> > Craig Oshima wrote:
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> > > I never said anything about the command line, because what's to say?
> DOS
> > > had a bare bones, crappy command line. No doubt about it. And FWIW, I
> > > think Apple's MPW development environment beats the Unix command line.
> But
> > > *normal people* don't really use command lines anyway, so it doesn't
> matter.
> > >
> > And Microsoft...understanding that it's own CLI was a piece of shit,
> > funded a VERY large propaganda campaign to convince those who had never
> > even seen Unix that Unix was even worse.
>
> I haven't heard of any campaign to that effect...not that I disbelieve you,
late 1980's. You couldn't open up a single industry magazine without
coming across at least one column devoted to the supposedly "cryptic
Unix" command line....at the same time that EVERY successive version
of DOS was differentiated from previous versions...BY TAKING IDEAS
FROM UNIX (and, more often than not, implemented in a haphazard and
not very-well thought-out fashion).
> but I haven't heard anything like that at all. Sure, they'll make
Your ignorance is your own problem.
> competitive comparisons of Windows to Linux...some are reasonable, others
> are outrageously whacked. Anyway, I concur that Microsoft's command line is
> pretty bad (and Apple's is non-existent, at least until OS X in April). But
> command lines are peripheral to the debate, so...
EVERYTHING you do gets translated into a command line somewhere.
It may be hidden, but somewhere, there IS a buffer to hold command strings.
Even in windows.
>
> > > > The most popular Unix GUI's are also EASIER to use than the Windows
> GUI's.
> > >
> > > Pphhh. When you've seen users struggle to get through the things you
> think
> > > are easy, your attitude will be informed by more than your arrogant
> > > opinions.
> >
> > I work with Unix GUI users every day.
> >
>
> Maybe we just aren't connecting here. I don't doubt that you know other
> people, maybe even a lot of other people who use Unix. But you fall into a
> demographic that is highly gifted in abstract, symbolic thinking (e.g.
> mathematics). The fact that you all love Unix is irrelevant when you widen
> the audience to other people. If you don't want Unix to be on consumer
> desktops than fine...you and I don't have an argument. It was designed by
> hackers for hackers, and by definition, it's user friendly. But if you
> think it belongs everywhere, then you should consider that there are FAR
> more people outside your demographic. Their needs and interests differ from
> yours, and you should be open to understanding them.
No. I'm talking about the EASE with which a Unix administrator can deliver
PRECISELY what users want, and the DIFFICULTY which Windows administrators
have with providing even basic functionality for 250 consecutive business days
(one year).
>
> To quote a friend:
> "Programmers can use any kind of of interface. They have exceptional minds
> that embrace, enjoy, even thrive on abstract, invisible interfaces. They
> assume everyone else has a wonderful memory and enjoys manipulating abstract
> symbols. (While many people may have good memories, I think the dearth of
> Algebra Fun Clubs and Family Centers in our communities speaks volumes about
> our collective delight in manipulating abstract symbols.)" (Tog on
> Interface 1992, ISBN 0201608421)
I don't give a fuck about programmers other than how their actions
impact the ability to deliver functionality to users.
Microsoft's programming model unnecessarily hampers programmers such
that even providing the most basic service typically takes 30x as
long as with Unix.
Is any of this getting through to you?
>
> --
> Craig Oshima
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
------------------------------
From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:24:34 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Jon Johanson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > > Andy Walker wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Blue Screen of Death" has a whole new meaning.
> > > > >
> > > > > Fortunately that's not an issue with any properly configured system,
> > > > > especially not a W2K system hardened for military use - silly boy...
> > > >
> > > > Look who is being silly. According to Microsoft's sponsored tests,
> by
> > > > NSTL, Windows 2000 has a MTTF of 2839. That's 118 days. So, just
> before
> > > > they enter battle, they should reboot. Or they should never be out at
> > > > sea for more than three months. Give me a break.
> > >
> > > that's for a release candidate version of the OS using drivers made
> before
> > > the product was finalized. The final version of the product, updated to
> > > service pack 1 and using WHQL drivers doesn't crash. We've never seen a
> blue
> > > screen. I personally consider it bullshit created by unix losers envious
> of
> > > how easily windows smokes unix's CLI butt
> >
> > Ahh, yes, here we go again. "This version (service pack) of [NT, 2K,
> Windows,
> > etc.] is stable, unlike the previous version."
>
> Not at all true. What's so unusual about requiring a final release version
> of some product? Are you that used to running beta software that you prefer
> it over fleeting releases before more point betas are released?
Most of the machines were released version.
>
> Go post this stuff to a thread
> > where people will believe it. (hint, that's not here.)
>
> No, it's in technical forums where real people use it all the time and know
> what I'm talking about.
>
> >A good number of the
> > machines in the study were the released version.
>
> Wrong.
I have the report pinned up over my desk. I have read it very carefully. You
are wrong. In fact, nothing you have said on this forum indicates you know
anything at all. lol
>
> >
> > I don't think anyone care's what you "personally consider."
>
> Only those that use it daily nod their head knowing I'm right.
Or those that want to chuckle at your ignorance.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
========================
http://www.mohawksoft.com
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: What is user friendly?
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:22:12 -0500
Craig Oshima wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Indeed, Interface Hall of Shame is a good exaple for that, most of the
> time
> > I wouldn't notice the UI problems (even if I use them extensively) unless
> > they are pointed to me. And even then... it's not very disturbing. But for
> > normal users, it's quite different.
> >
>
> If you ever get the chance to observe a usability test, especially one
> examining a product you're involved with, you should try to find the time to
> do it. Nothing opens your eyes like seeing user after user (selected from
> representative populations) struggling on the same things over and
> over--things that are so obvious to you and me.
>
"struggling on the same things."
I thought Windows was an "intuitive interface" with such a shallow
learning curve that even the complete novice can be self-sufficient
within minutes.
Now, Craig...try being HONEST WITH YOURSELF, and realize that what you
just said CONTRADICTS EVERY SINGLE CLAIM WHICH YOU AND OTHER WINDOWS
SUPPORTERS HAVE MADE ABOUT ITS SO-CALLED "EASE OF USE"
Craig...are you there....are you willing to be HONEST WITH YOURSELF?
Or is your self-identity so entertwined in the Microsoft cult that
you will make such a glaring admission and STILL insist that Microsoft's
products are "easy for novices to use."
> --
> Craig Oshima
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Germany Denies Microsoft Ban
Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 22:27:01 -0500
Jan Johanson wrote:
>
> "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Jan Johanson wrote:
> > >
> > > hahahaha - silly penguinistas - I TOLD you it was a lie... but you
> choose to
> > > believe your own fud machines... hehe
> > >
> > > http://www.wirednews.com/news/politics/0%2C1283%2C42502%2C00.html
> >
> > Did you actually read the article you posted?
> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >
> > Andy Mueller-Maguhn, a leader of Berlin's Chaos Computer Club and also
> Europe's
> > representative on the board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names
> and
> > Numbers (ICANN), said he believed the German government was probably in
> > damage-control mode. In other words: He thinks the report in Der Spiegel
> is
> > probably accurate.
>
> Gee, the Chaos Club? A linux lovers/ms-haters hang out. Uhhuh...real
> objective...
I would say that:
Europe's representative on the board of the Internet Corporation for Assigned
Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Has some clout.
You on the other hand, are quickly proving that you don't.
--
I'm not offering myself as an example; every life evolves by its own laws.
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