Linux-Advocacy Digest #40, Volume #31 Sun, 24 Dec 00 03:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Uptimes (T. Max Devlin)
Re: Annoyed at installations (Yatima)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. (mlw)
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Tom Wilson")
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) ("Kyle Jacobs")
Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000 ("Tom Wilson")
Re: Linux lacks (nf)
Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!) (Yatima)
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: This group should rename itself ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use? ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: System's analysis? What does this person do ? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000 ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000 ("Erik Funkenbusch")
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:45:58 GMT
Said JS/PL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:12:07 -0500;
>"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> JS/PL wrote:
>> >
>> > "Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >
>> > >And then he essentially calls his own books fiction!!! Here
>> > > it is!!!
>> > >
>> > > In the nonfiction world, the numbers I <<<
>> > > racked up just don't happen. Look <<<
>> > > at any number of books that have come
>> > > out on the nonfiction side that
>> > > have been heralded as tremendous sellers,
>> > > and you'll see total sales run of 300,000.
>> > >
>> > > See, I TOLD YOU SO!!! Rush admits his work is essentially FICTION !!!!
>> >
>> > Sounds to me like he's talking about "NON-FICTION" notice the *NON*
>above.
>> > >
>> > > Chris "learning the techniques of the Institute for Advanced
>Conservative
>> > > Studies"
>> >
>> > You see... you must actually READ IT before commenting on what it says.
>>
>> And my point went clean over your head!!! I used the very same technique
>> as Rush -- take a source, clip out the parts I don't like, and quote
>> the rest, to make only the point I want to make, and to make everyone
>> else out to be stupid, bungling, or evil. That is a bona fide
>> technique of that lying shithead, Rush Limbaugh. Except in this case
>> you can get to the link to get the right information.
>>
>> As far as his bilious claim that his book is the best-selling non-fiction
>> book aside from the Bible, take a look at this list of the "best sellers
>> of all time":
>>
>> http://www.adventur.com/reading/top10.htm
>>
>> The Holy Bible is indeed first. Second comes "Quotes from Chairman
>> Mao Tsetung". Third is the "American Spelling Book" by Noah Webster.
>> Benjamin Spock and the World Almanac appear. RUSH DOES NOT APPEAR IN
>> THIS LIST. He is a lying son-of-a-bitch!
>
>What "LIST"? You mean that bridge page to Amazon.com link you posted?
>It's what's termed as a "bridge page". It has no meaning except to be
>constructed with popular keywords that will get the best placement at search
>engines, so that the owner of that pathetic page you quote as gospel might
>make a few cents in commission. That's how you found the worthless page, it
>was designed to be at the top of the results for the keywords you entered,
>dolt.
>
>Oh... and your page link doesn't quote any numbers, just links to Amazon.
>
>
>>
>> For more proof, you need to get educated. A good place to start is
>> "Rush Limbaugh is a Big Fat Idiot" by Al Franken, a hard-hitting
>> expose of one of the most cheese-brained entertainers of our time.
>> I wonder what stories that poor fat-headed bastard is going to have to
>> concoct now that George Dubya is President. Oh yeah, Hillary in the
>> Senate. I think Rush is deeply attracted and deeply repelled by
>> her.
>
>
>Al Franken is a failing comedian, was never too funny, and must latch onto
>popular writers for subject matter to sell his pathetic books.
>
>Does Rush Limbaughs truth spewing feel like holy water on a vampire? It does
>seem to have that effect on the most extreme socialists who's one true enemy
>IS TRUTH.
Meanwhile, back in the real world, you can tell how vapid a
conservative's arguments are by how often they have to trot out this
lame-ass ad hominem. Rush Limbaugh's 'spewings', certainly an accurate
phrase there, are simply offensive to anyone who actually uses their
brain, and that entirely explains the fatigued ridicule which is about
all most people can generate for Rush these days.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive!
http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html
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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 03:50:03 GMT
Said Chad C. Mulligan in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 23 Dec 2000
>"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
[...]
>> So others are clueless, too. That's not what is meant by "corroborating
>> evidence".
>
>I wouldn't exactly say that. Any Idea how Netcraft and Uptimes get around
>the defautl limitation restricting enumeration of performance metrics to
>Administrators?
You're riffing, dude. As in "making that up off the top of your head".
As in there's no such thing. No, I have no idea how either site gets
their uptime statistics, other than the carefully vague clues they
provide on their sites. If you don't either, just say so, rather than
make a fool of yourself by making things up.
--
T. Max Devlin
*** The best way to convince another is
to state your case moderately and
accurately. - Benjamin Franklin ***
Sign the petition and keep Deja's archive alive!
http://www2.PetitionOnline.com/dejanews/petition.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yatima)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Annoyed at installations
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:16:56 GMT
On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:15:56 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Hi Steve/Swango/Flatfish/waldo! Would you mind trying to stay with the
same alias for a while. It would make life for my scorefile a lot
easier. TIA!
--
yatima
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:22:44 GMT
Windows NT TERMINAL SERVICES EDITION does exactly that genius. And Windows
2000 now serve's a remote console session (remote DOS prompt)
Gee, sucks when Windows is moving along, and Linux is standing still.
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> > >
> > > No, Linux splits the user interface and treats it like it were a
program.
> > > UNIX did this because IT HAD NO CHOICE. Linux does this because...???
> >
> > No...it was done that way because it MAKES MORE SENSE and KEEPS
> > SYSTEM STABILITY HIGH.
>
> Bravo!!! Here! Here!
>
> And only now is Windozzzzzzzz getting a "terminal server". I'm curious
> though, as to where that leaves "pcAnywhere"?
>
> Chris
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:28:44 GMT
"Chris Ahlstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
> >
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:42:26
> > > [...]
> > > >Rush is loud, obnoxious, pompous, opinionated and , more often than
not,
> > > >absolutely right in what he says.
> > >
> > > Think harder.
> >
> > Drop dead.
>
> Rush Rage detected!
Afraid not. Totally dead pan. This is Rush Limbaugh we're talking about. Not
exactly important.
The only thing my panties are in a wad about is Visual Studio. (Compiler
Error 1001)
I have to compile four times for the damned thing to go away and allow me to
link.
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions
Where White Slavery is Alive and Well
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Sat, 23 Dec 2000 23:35:42 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> Windows NT TERMINAL SERVICES EDITION does exactly that genius. And Windows
> 2000 now serve's a remote console session (remote DOS prompt)
Linux and UNIX's console and X protocol are far more efficient that
Windows terminal services. Any UNIX machine can be an X application
server, Windows terminal services are very heavy weight.
You should read the requirements for terminal server services,
astounding.
Microsoft has been trying to do headless machines since OS/2 1.0 when
they wanted to make a headless version of OS/2 LanMan and couldn't get
it right.
X and UNIX have been doing it for well over a decade, and doing it well.
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:45:26 GMT
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 23 Dec 2000 06:23:24
> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Said Tom Wilson in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 04 Dec 2000 05:42:26
> >> [...]
> >> >Rush is loud, obnoxious, pompous, opinionated and , more often than
not,
> >> >absolutely right in what he says.
> >>
> >> Think harder.
> >
> >Drop dead.
>
> Guffaw.
I'm working on several software projects at the same time.
If I think any harder my head will explode!
While I'm here...
I'd like to take this opportunity to thank the Microsoft development team
for making my life full of misery and to let them know that the only things
that suck harder than their development tools are their operating systems.
Back to our regularly scheduled off topic debate....
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions
Our code is bug free - Our office is another matter entirely.
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From: "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:57:22 GMT
If your dial up connection is so anemic that you can't afford to download an
extra 5kilobytes of data, you need to get a better job, or give up the
internet.
"Yatima" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 05:43:56 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >What USER INTERFACE?
> >
> >That's two words that "The Community" insists is blasphmany.
>
> Really? When did they decide this as a "Community"? (URLs are much
> appreciated).
>
> BTW, stop top posting and quoting entire messages. It's very poor
> netiquette and consumes bandwith that costs people with pay per min
> dialup connections.
>
> --
> yatima
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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 05:15:13 GMT
"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On Sat, 23 Dec 2000 15:54:04 -0500, mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The problem is that many programs are written to a Win9x model and don't
> do the right things as far as use of registry keys and such. The
> vendors get away with this because the poor security on a default
> installation of NT allows it to work. OTOH, one could probably make an
> agrument that the whole registry mechanism is too complicated and that
> is the reason that developers don't use it as they should. There seems
> to be a lot of random and unexplained complexity in Win32.
IMHO, Win32 is the way it is because it was rushed and not well thought out
in advance. The same goes for the registry. Had they stuck with ini files
(placing them into an /etc or equivalent rather than the windows system
directory), it'd been better.
--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions
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From: nf <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux lacks
Date: Fri, 22 Dec 2000 08:54:08 -0500
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] says...
> nf wrote:
>
> > A database which
> > allowed fully relational tables that could be normalized properly for
> > $99 ??? (That was 1.0!)
> are they able to do row-level locking, yet?
> if not (Access in w2k did not have it) that sux if used with concurrent
> access for example ...
>
>
No and AFAIK with the Jet engine it still doesn't. Just "page" locking.
(Which works, but kinda sucks.) You can code around this by setting
your own semaphores for records but IMHO if you are going to be doing a
multi-user database you shouldn't be on Jet anyway. (Fine for desktops,
but not Multi-users). SQL server does allow row-level record locking
and you can create the front end with Access/VB, VC or whatever.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yatima)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: An Entire Day With Linux (Yukkkkk!!!)
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 06:39:29 GMT
On Sun, 24 Dec 2000 04:57:22 GMT, Kyle Jacobs <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>If your dial up connection is so anemic that you can't afford to download an
>extra 5kilobytes of data, you need to get a better job, or give up the
>internet.
Did I say I had a dialup? Learn to look at the headers, I'm on a cable
modem. That doesn't mean that I have to be a complete ass, however, and
not trim my posts. There are a lot of people in some European countries
and rural areas of the US and Canada (not to mention other countries)
that don't have the option of getting a cable modem and suffer as the
result of your inconsiderate behaviour.
I'm surprised you don't post in HTML and in all caps.
I notice you didn't actually address any of my other points. Figures...
--
yatima
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Dec 2000 17:15:33 +1100
"Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:91v18f$4c0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>>
>> >You can choose from distributions that don't work at all (Corel).
>> >Distributions that are a year and a half behind (Debian and
>> >Slackware).
>> >Distributions that are full of bugs (Redhat).
>> >And distributions that use deceptive marketing (Mandrake).
>>
>> Or you could go with the competing product, which nicely integrates all
>> those features into one readily available and immensely popular package ;-)
>When you say "nicely integrates" you mean cut and paste and call a distro,
>right?
>I've seen a three year old tape paper togather better than most of the
>distro's keep their product "integration" tight.
It's so sad when someone doesn't even realize when they are being ridiculed.
Although there is a certain irony in Kyle's reply, when one considers
what the "competing product" really is...
Bernie
P.S.: Kyle's style seems very familiar, but I can't place him right now.
Any idea whose reincarnation "Kyle Jacobs" is?
--
But what ... is it good for?
Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM
1968, commenting on the microchip
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: This group should rename itself
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 24 Dec 2000 17:25:36 +1100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Yatima) writes:
>On 23 Dec 2000 17:47:47 +1100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>wrote:
>>Then again, I really *like* my MP3 player. It runs on the machine that
>>is connected to the right one of my three monitors, and whenever it
>>starts playing a new title, it puts the scanned album cover in the X
>>background, with a list of all titles on the album next to it (and the
>>currently playing one highlighted), and the current title in nice
>>big letters underneath.
>Cool! What program(s) are you using to do this?
Yikes.... Uhm, its very much a home-grown solution. I hacked mpg123 a bit
(originally for my other MP3 player, in the lounge room, which has a 4 line
LCD output, with two buttons attached to it). mpg123 simply writes out
the directory and track number it is currently playing, and then sends
another process a signal.
In the case of the X-background thingie, that other process is "sleep",
called from a shell script which waits for it to exit. When that happens,
the script grabs the info mpg123 saved, gathers a title list from that
directory, converts that list (and another, one-element list with the
current title) from ascii into pbm files (through another small program
I custom-wrote for it, as I couldn't be bothered searching for one on
the net), and then simply puts the cover (a pgm) and the title info
into the X root window through xsetbg (an alias of xli).
>>But the good part is that with the keyboard I
>>have in my lap (which is shared between 4 machines, and might at any
>>point in time be logically connected to any one of them --- physical
>>connection is to the computer driving the left hand screen), I can
>>always press NUMPAD-0 to skip to a random song from my collection, or
>>press NUMPAD-'.' to stay within the album and (upon subsequent pressed)
>>skip to the next song on the album.
>This sounds really handy as well.
It's *great*. I can't imagine anymore having a keyboard and mouse for
each machine, or not being able to freely program which machine each
keypress goes to. Makes life a bit hard when I have to use other people's
computers.... I use the top row on the numeric keypad to switch between
my 4 machines, and on other people's machines I often have extra '/', '*'
or '-' characters when first starting to use them ;-)
Bernie
--
A child miseducated is a child lost
John F. Kennedy
US President 1961-63
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Windows - Is It Really Easier to Use?
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:35:30 -0600
"Donovan Rebbechi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> On 23 Dec 2000 19:16:27 GMT, Perry Pip wrote:
> >On 22 Dec 2000 15:57:45 GMT,
> >Donovan Rebbechi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Do you understand "not supported"??? The video card in question is
> >*not* supported under Xfree 4.01 *nor* supported by the vendor. I am
> >not defending Mandrake but at their web site:
> >
> >http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/fhard.php3
>
> If it's not supported, then I suppose the distributor doesn't have any
> obligation to support it. I believe someone did claim it was supported
> by the distributor.
I claimed that XFree86 4.0.1 claims to support it. There is a specific
Hercules Dynamite 128/Video selection in the list of adapters in DrakX.
Further, under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/Cards it specifically states: Hercules
Dynamite 128/Video see ET6000 (generic)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: System's analysis? What does this person do ?
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:37:10 -0500
"." wrote:
>
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > "." wrote:
> >>
> >> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> Not in my experience. I've had to spend *much* more time training
> >> >> fresh college graduates (with applicable degrees including masters)
> >> >> than people who have actual real life experience.
> >>
> >> > But given 3 years of experience WITH a degree vs. 3 years of
> >> > experience without a degree....who would you pick?
> >>
> >> The more qualified applicant...:)
> >>
> >> The coolest person I've worked with in this regard aquired all of his
> >> programming skills in 8 years in the USAF. He worked with realtime
> >> systems governing communication arrays on large aircraft.
> >>
> >> THATS the kind of person everyone should always be looking for.
> >> Someone who provably works well under stress, can meet deadlines,
> >> and knows a fuckton about redundancy planning and innovative
> >> architecture.
>
> > Of course, you realize that the USAF trained him to the
> > equivalent level of education as a 4-year university...
>
> Bullshit, they trained him WAY past that. He speaks in theoretical
> modals that confuse doctorates.
>
> And he doesnt have a degree.
You make my point fo me.
>
> Coincidentally, equivalency is exactly what im talking about. Its
> just that experience is much more equivalent than school alone, and
> very often more equivalent than experience AND school. :)
>
> Maybe I'm just bitter about having to find a way to fix a mail system
> for 30,000 people that someone with a masters degree and 8 years of
> experience built out of an E6500, 2 9 gig hard drives, softRAID1 and
> Netscape Suitespot.
Unfortunately, a lot of masters degrees are 'well, you've hung around
long enough, so here's your paper'.....
>
> The load on that machine (which has 8 processors) never dips below
> 15.
>
> An 18 year old linux-head suggested trying out an application he
> wrote that converts netscape suitespot spools to Qmail, and dumping
> everything out to a testbed he whipped up out of Freebsd and an
> old PIII 450 in about an hour. It looks like his app actually works.
cool :-)
>
> :)
>
> -----.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:46:47 -0600
"mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > We're talking about formatting the drive.
>
> The point is that a UNIX system is VERY usable as a normal user.
As is windows.
> To do real damage, one has to be user ID 0. AFAIK no system installs a
> user account as this. To do maintenance on a UNIX system one uses su, or
> su enabled programs which ask for a password. One does not read e-mail
> as root.
Same thing can be done in Win2k.
> In Windows NT, one can assign themselves any privileges they wish. Often
> times, as I have said before, and is made evident from some of
> Microsoft's own knowledge base articles, one must assign themselves many
> privileges which are dangerous, just to install and use software.
Install, yes. Use, no. There are some knowledge base articles about older
versions of office, which, in their default configuraitons required write
access to the windows directory, however you could change the locations of
these files and invalidate that need. This isn't the case with Office 97+.
Further, Windows 2000 allows you to install software with admin privs
without giving them to yourself. Simply run a setup program and Win2k asks
you how you want to install it, and if you want to install with
administrator privs (requiring that administrator password).
> Most Windows software, under NT, must be installed as the user which
> will be using it. Other wise, the registry settings and start menu
> entries won't be available. Thus, to install the software they must
> assign themselves privileges which a normal user should not have.
Most? Some. Not most. I install software all the time and access it from
multiple accounts.
> The difference being that UNIX software is made assuming that a user
> account does not have the rights to install, but must be able to use the
> software once it is installed by the system administrator.
>
> NT will never be truly secure as long as this problem persists.
It hasn't been a problem for almost a year, and even before that it was an
easily solveable one.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Sun Microsystems and the end of Open Source
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 02:44:22 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:91v18f$4c0$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> >>
> >> >You can choose from distributions that don't work at all (Corel).
> >> >Distributions that are a year and a half behind (Debian and
> >> >Slackware).
> >> >Distributions that are full of bugs (Redhat).
> >> >And distributions that use deceptive marketing (Mandrake).
> >>
> >> Or you could go with the competing product, which nicely integrates all
> >> those features into one readily available and immensely popular package ;-)
>
> >When you say "nicely integrates" you mean cut and paste and call a distro,
> >right?
>
> >I've seen a three year old tape paper togather better than most of the
> >distro's keep their product "integration" tight.
>
> It's so sad when someone doesn't even realize when they are being ridiculed.
> Although there is a certain irony in Kyle's reply, when one considers
> what the "competing product" really is...
>
> Bernie
>
> P.S.: Kyle's style seems very familiar, but I can't place him right now.
> Any idea whose reincarnation "Kyle Jacobs" is?
Todd Needleham, or something like that?
> --
> But what ... is it good for?
> Engineer at the Advanced Computing Systems Division of IBM
> 1968, commenting on the microchip
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000
Date: Sun, 24 Dec 2000 01:50:12 -0600
"Philip Neves" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:Xu_06.862967
> As of right now There are no viruses that I know of for linux.
Guess you've never heard of Bliss:
http://math-www.uni-paderborn.de/~axel/bliss/
It's been around for a while. Not to mention that there have been
virus-like things, such as the morris internet worm.
> I've been using linux for five years and I have never heard of one.
I guess ignorance, is Bliss.
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