Linux-Advocacy Digest #148, Volume #31 Sun, 31 Dec 00 01:13:02 EST
Contents:
Re: Why Advocacy? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? (.)
Re: Why Advocacy? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Advocacy? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why Advocacy? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux, it is great. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Who LOVES Linux again? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Advocacy?
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:06:56 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:6E636.25678$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Gary Hallock wrote:
> >
> > > True. But then, if setting arbitrary sequence numbers did not break
> > > startup,
> > > there would be no need for them in the first place. I guess I just
> don't
> > > understand your point. If all of this were done in a single startup
> > > script you would still have to know what order to start things.
> >
> > Well, recently I had to add a service by hand as Linuxconf refused to do
> it
> > for me. There was an error message, but it was obscured by the text box
> > dialog. I can't use Linuxconf with X as I didn't install Gtk (or whatever
> > it is Linuxconf requires to run on X).
> >
> > It wasn't too obvious to me where I should put this service - there was
> > nothing mentioned in the documentation so I made a wild guess. It didn't
> > work, until I put it in rc.6 then things started working correctly.
>
> What???? Runlevel 6 doesn't really exist - it is a shorthand notation for
> going down to level 0 (shutdown) then rebooting back to the default
> level (usually 3 or 5). Something else must be going on here.
No...Runlevel 6 DOES exist.
It's just that traditionally, implements a reboot.
On my SUSE system, the only script in
/etc/rc.d/rc6.d is S20reboot.
But get rid of that, and put in whatever you like and level 6
becomes yet another operational run level.
>
> > If I were editing a startup script, I'd simply put it in as the last item.
> > I suppose I could use S99 or K99 but that was already allocated.
S99 normally corresponds with K00
Whatever is started last should be killed first.
On systems with lots of additions to /etc/rc.d/rc*.d
I normally add a 3rd digit
so S40 becomes S400, etc.
>
> Oh, I thought you meant you added an rc6.d directory.
> My smbd file suggests S91 and K35.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.)
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: 31 Dec 2000 05:08:02 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Chad Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Sat, 30 Dec 2000 19:32:13
>> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> >> Said Chad Myers in alt.destroy.microsoft on Fri, 29 Dec 2000 13:55:01
>> >> [...]
>> >> >The most important law, which you missed, and which proved T. Max Devlin
>> >> >to be speaking from other orrifices again, was the one that the
> legislature
>> >> >had set forth as a period of election, counting/recounting, contest, and
>> >> >finality.
>> >>
>> >> Oh, for heaven's sake. If you consider this the "most important law",
>> >
>> >Perhaps I should've said, "most relevent to the situation as it was in
> Florida".
>>
>> It would have been no more correct or valid, though.
> Why not? It is the law that governs the election process. There is no more
> relevant
> law.
> You do not what laws are, correct?
>>
>> >> then apparently you don't care what the law says, as long as its
>> >> followed, because you prefer the most arbitrary law, like a deadline, to
>> >> any that provides for *law*.
>> >
>> >arbitrary law?
>>
>> Yes, arbitrary law.
> Arbitrary... hmm. So, a law that is required by the 14th Amendment to the
> Constitution to govern this very process and does so in accordance with
> and very similarly to every other state is somehow "arbitrary"? By your
> definition, murder and robbery laws are "arbitrary".
Law in general is arbitrary according to the writings of Kant, Jefferson,
Adams, Neitzche, Cummings, Pound, etc, etc, etc.
But dont worry. We all understand that you think youre right.
=====.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Advocacy?
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:08:31 -0500
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> >
> > Well, recently I had to add a service by hand as Linuxconf refused to do it
> > for me. There was an error message, but it was obscured by the text box
> > dialog. I can't use Linuxconf with X as I didn't install Gtk (or whatever
> > it is Linuxconf requires to run on X).
> >
>
> It's handy to install Gtk for lots of reasons. But you can use linuxconf from
> a web browser such as Netscape or konqueror.
>
> >
> > It wasn't too obvious to me where I should put this service - there was
> > nothing mentioned in the documentation so I made a wild guess. It didn't
> > work, until I put it in rc.6 then things started working correctly.
> >
>
> There must have been more to it than this. rc6.d is for shutdown. Without an
Proving that Pete Goodwin is lying.
> entry there, the service should still have started properly but it might not
> shut down properly. What service was this?
>
> >
> > If I were editing a startup script, I'd simply put it in as the last item.
> > I suppose I could use S99 or K99 but that was already allocated.
> >
> >
>
> You can have multiple programs with the same sequence number. Or, if you
> really wanted it to be executed last, you could move things up to make room for
> S99. The absolute value of the number is unimportant. Only the relative
> values matter.
Or you can make S990_some_deamon, S991_some_other_deamon, S992_yet_another_deamon.
>
> Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Advocacy?
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:10:19 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> > True. But then, if setting arbitrary sequence numbers did not break
> > startup,
> > there would be no need for them in the first place. I guess I just don't
> > understand your point. If all of this were done in a single startup
> > script you would still have to know what order to start things.
>
> Well, recently I had to add a service by hand as Linuxconf refused to do it
> for me. There was an error message, but it was obscured by the text box
> dialog. I can't use Linuxconf with X as I didn't install Gtk (or whatever
> it is Linuxconf requires to run on X).
>
> It wasn't too obvious to me where I should put this service - there was
> nothing mentioned in the documentation so I made a wild guess. It didn't
> work, until I put it in rc.6 then things started working correctly.
Considering that the ONLY thing in rc.6 is S20reboot, call me skeptical.
>
> If I were editing a startup script, I'd simply put it in as the last item.
> I suppose I could use S99 or K99 but that was already allocated.
Faulty conclusion.
By the way, why wouldy you use S99 with K99?
S99 should be used with K00, S98 with K01, etc.
Because whatever you start up last, you want to shut down first.
Demonstrating once again that you're talking out your ass, as usual.
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Advocacy?
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:12:19 -0500
Pete Goodwin wrote:
>
> Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> > It's handy to install Gtk for lots of reasons. But you can use linuxconf
> > from a web browser such as Netscape or konqueror.
>
> If you let the service run - I think I switched it off thinking linuxconf
> was enough. The service for Web Admin is called webmin, another name to
> remember.
Ohhhhhh, ooooooooh... pissss mooooooan
Pooooooor petey, he has to *remember* things.....
If it's that hard, why don't you just lay on a hammock and collect welfare,
you whiney oxygen thief...
>
> > There must have been more to it than this. rc6.d is for shutdown.
> > Without an entry there, the service should still have started properly but
> > it might not
> > shut down properly. What service was this?
>
> smb (Samba).
>
> --
> Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, it is great.
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:13:30 -0500
Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Tom Wilson wrote:
> > >
> > > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Adam Warner wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi mlw,
> > > > >
> > > > > > PostgreSQL, a full relational, enterprise ready SQL database.
> > > > > > Star Office, a full featured office packages.
> > > > > > Full TCP/IP networking support.
> > > > > > Apache, a world class web server.
> > > > > > PHP, a world class web scripting language.
> > > > > > KDE2, a very good desktop environment.
> > > > > > GCC, a world class C/C++ compiler.
> > > > > > Countless languages and utilities.
> > > > > > CD ROM creation utilities.
> > > > > > MP3 generation.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Too many programs to mention. All free. Sweet!
> > > > >
> > > > > Well you could have added MySQL and Gnome ;-)
> > > >
> > > > I think MySQL is too limited, it is a toy and I think it reflects
> badly
> > > > on Linux and OSS.
> > >
> > > Agreed, its' kind of the "notepad" of databases. Postgres, OTOH, is
> really
> > > quite good.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > GNOME is too unstable. I keep trying it, but it never seems to work
> > > > right.
> > > > >
> > > > > And OpenOffice (http://www.openoffice.org/) is the successor to
> > > StarOffice.
> > > >
> > > > I'll have to check that out.
> > > >
> > > > [MP3 snipped]
> > > >
> > > > Software patents are bogus and stupid. We must all fight them.
> > >
> > > I always thought it silly to claim exclusive rights to an algorithm.
> > >
> >
> > Actually, the algorithm itself can't be patented...
> > but the PROCESS can.
>
> Still pretty tenuous ground to stand on...
> There are so many different ways to accomplish the same task in code. It's
> damned near impossible to enforce.
Yeppers! (Thank god!)
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Sunbelt Software Solutions
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:14:54 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> Yes, standards would make this fascinating idea possible. Pity NONE exist.
>
> This is why the Windows registry shines. It's truly uniform.
Uniformly dismal.
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:92j7hc$lj6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:92j3of$456$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > In article <92isv1$fu3$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:b6W26.52507$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > > news:92h7sc$mqn$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Because IT WOULD MAKE SENSE. That's why.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Why just those? Why not every window manager known to man?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Why not make a file like RPM, so each application can have,
> > > which will
> > > > > > contain its configurations and will be openable by some common
> > > program.
> > > > > > And no, I'm talking about
> > > > > > pico/ed/whatever-other-text-editor-you-had-in-mind.
> > > > > > XML would do nicely here.
> > > > >
> > > > > XML is just syntax. It saves you from writing a parser or reusing
> > > > > any of the more free-form parsers already done, but nothing
> > > > > else. This is not unreasonable for new programs but the
> > > > > people who have copied the same config files from machine
> > > > > to machine for the last 20 years and know how to read and
> > > > > type them aren't going to be happy if they suddenly are forced
> > > > > to make them ugly and unreadable. XML is easy for the
> > > > > computer to parse but I'm not sure it makes sense these days
> > > > > to make it harder for the human and easier for the CPU.
> > > >
> > > > The advantage XML has is in that it's both human & machine readable.
> > >
> > > So is sendmail.cf for some value of readable, human and computer ;-).
> >
> > Which use different fomrat than what other config tools user.
> >
> > > > And building a program that would be able to read & change every
> > > > program's setting that I can think of would not be a problem.
> > >
> > > There is one, it's called "pico". Just because a program can parse
> > > XML, it doesn't mean that it can figure out what the XML means.
> >
> > But it means that the file contain all the options, and that one program
> can
> > be used to config all the config files without the user needing to know
> > about the file's format.
> >
> > > Take, for example, a very simple config file format: INI-like files.
> > > You know, tag/value pairs grouped on sections?
> >
> > Yeah, I know, and that is why it's bad.
> >
> > take apahce's configuration, frex:
> >
> > ServerType: standalone
> >
> > The other option is "inetd"
> >
> > No where it the config file there is even a *hint* about the other option.
> >
> > This mean that if I want to write a program that configure apache, I will
> > need to store the other option *inside* the program.
> > And this mean that if apache has a new version with another value to
> > ServerType, I'll have to update my program to include this.
> > And if I want to write a tool such as LinuxConf, I've to store inside the
> > program *all* the programs options, and when one program config file is
> > changed, I need to update the program.
> > This mean that writing LinuxConf or similar tools will be *hard*. Because
> > I've to store both old settings & new settings, and find out what version
> > each program is running, and fit itwith its sets of options.
> >
> > OTOH, if all programs adhered to some sort of a common format, such as
> > this*:
> > http://www10.ewebcity.com/ayende/lmc.xml
> >
> > Building such a tool would be very easy, and will mainly include finding
> > GPLed XML phraser and writing the UI.
> >
> > This way, the config file itself is the one who stores all the options. If
> a
> > new version, with new options, comes out, the same tool, with absolutely
> no
> > modifications, be able to handle it.
> >
> >
> > > They are trivial to parse for men and computers (much simpler than
> > > XML!). They are used by many apps (all KDE apps, all GNOME apps).
> > >
> > > Now, write a program that can configure all KDE and all GNOME apps.
> >
> > No, because of the reasons mentioned above, the config files don't
> contained
> > the other options, so building such a tool would be quite hard.
> > Assuming that the programs follow a format as I purpose, or a similar one,
> > it would be far easier.
> >
> > > Now, are you sure writing that program would not be a problem?
> >
> > Yes, because if you do it the way I suggest, you wouldn't have that much
> of
> > a problem.
> >
> > > > And you could probably add a switch to turn the application to the
> > > > old config method instead of XML, so old fashion guys who like text
> > > > files could still have them.
> > >
> > > As someone who has had to go through it: bad idea. If the app has two
> > > different mechanisms to save data, there is a awfully large chance that
> > > the data will not be saved right in one or the other.
> >
> > Not if the program is written well.
> > But I agree it might be a problem.
> > I think that the advantages this method gives you are worth it.
> >
> > > > The advantage a common syntax to all config files would be that a
> > > > single tool can handle them all, making tools such as LinuxConf so
> > > > much easier to user.
> > >
> > > Parsing the config files is the simplest of all steps in the road to
> > > having a global config tool. You still have to write the logic to
> > > present the user with a comprehensible UI to change configs, the
> > > logic to modify the config data based on user input, the logic
> > > the verify coherence of the generated config data, and then (this one
> > > is easy) turn the config data back into storage form.
> >
> > You need to do it *anyway* when you write a tool such as LinuxConf.
> > The hardest part in making such a tool is that the tool need to "remember"
> > what each program's settings, this method would release the program from
> > remembering, and allow much easier life for the writers of the global
> config
> > tools.
> > Not to mention that it is still readable by humans, quite easily, and it
> > contain the info that a user need to know about how to config the
> > application via tools such as pico.
> > You get to enjoy both worlds.
> >
> >
> > [*] I'm not purposing this file format, actually, I wrote it when I
> learned
> > XML.
> > It's an example only, to show how I think it should be done.
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Who LOVES Linux again?
Date: Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:15:25 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> You CAN'T do an xkill or a killall or any other process terminations when
> the user session is LOCKED UP.
Alt-Fn to a new console screen, you idiot.
>
> (User Session=Your interface, period)
>
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:6d936.52547$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "MH" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:92i6p3$1s2$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Wow, what a collection this one inspired!
> > >
> > > First, getting a couple of mb's per second of hdd access time isn't
> going
> > to
> > > help that much.
> > > It is more NN's library architecture that is the problem. Besides, I've
> > done
> > > the manual 'tuneup' of my disk access via hdparam.
> > >
> > > Second, why would I leave that bloat ball running all the time? It leaks
> > > like a sieve, takes more memory than some OS's and prone to freezing
> > solid.
> >
> > If it freezes, do an xkill, but otherwise leaving it up doesn't bother
> > anything
> > else.
> >
> > > Third, why do linvocates always change the topic three posts in?
> > >
> > > Fourth, funny how the penguinistas bray about how you DON'T need
> > horsepower
> > > to run linux.
> > > You've heard it, right? "Why should I purchase <insert choice of
> hardware
> > > here> to run a stinkin' OS"
> > > Now, you want me to ante up to a 700mhz cpu with 256mb's of ram to run
> > > nutscraped?
> > > Are you people insane?
> >
> > If you want fair comparisons, you should always compare equal dollars.
> > Put the money you save on the OS and included apps into more RAM
> > and/or a faster CPU. Linux can do many jobs on lightweight
> > hardware, especially things that are best left unattended like
> > routing and serving files/web pages/email, etc. But it is still a
> > lot more fun to have something speedy on your desktop.
> >
> > Les Mikesell
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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