Linux-Advocacy Digest #223, Volume #31 Wed, 3 Jan 01 19:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft? ("Darren Winsper")
Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors (The Ghost In The Machine)
Re: Linux Modems (kiwiunixman)
Re: Why Hatred? (kiwiunixman)
Re: Could only... (kiwiunixman)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
(kiwiunixman)
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Ayende
Rahien")
Re: Strange passwd (Bill Unruh)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Gary Hallock)
Re: mail reader (Craig Kelley)
Re: Could only... (kiwiunixman)
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? (Gary Hallock)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:43:13 -0500
Jacques Guy wrote:
>
> "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > : CLEARLY! ANYONE WHO STANDS ON THE SIDE OF MICROSOFT
> > : IS EITHER A MORON OR A CRIMINAL!
>
> > Or they might simply be misinformed.
>
> Or merely greedy and blinded by their greed. I met
> a fellow about a year ago, and we got talking about
> computers, of course. He told me what a great company
> Microsoft was. I asked why. "Because I have Microsoft
> shares and I see the day soon when I'll be able to
> retire."
>
Pretty much sums it up.
> Tulips are great flowers. I have a few tulip bulbs and
> I see the day, soon, when I can afford to retire in grand
> style. Oops! Wrong century :-(
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:44:39 -0500
Jacques Guy wrote:
>
> "Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
> >
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > : CLEARLY! ANYONE WHO STANDS ON THE SIDE OF MICROSOFT
> > : IS EITHER A MORON OR A CRIMINAL!
>
> > Or they might simply be misinformed.
>
> Or merely greedy and blinded by their greed. I met
> a fellow about a year ago, and we got talking about
> computers, of course. He told me what a great company
> Microsoft was. I asked why. "Because I have Microsoft
> shares and I see the day soon when I'll be able to
> retire."
I'm glad to know that this unnamed in-duh-vidual has seen his
fortune shrivel like a dried pea....
Bwaaaaaaaahahaha
Poetic justice for all who have invested in the criminal organization.
>
> Tulips are great flowers. I have a few tulip bulbs and
> I see the day, soon, when I can afford to retire in grand
> style. Oops! Wrong century :-(
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 17:46:11 -0500
Giuliano Colla wrote:
>
> Bob Hauck wrote:
> >
> > On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:37:16 -0500, JSPL <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >
> > >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Mon, 01 Jan 2001 01:28:58 GMT, Chad Myers
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> >> No, you claimed that the Democrats were trying to "subvert the rule of
> > >> >> law."
> > >> >
> > >> >Which they were. You didn't even answer the claims, instead stooping to
> > >> >name calling.
> >
> > >> Maybe I missed a civics lesson someplace where they defined lawsuits as
> > >> "subversion".
> > >
> > >Well lets see, a law on the books in Florida stated that the the Secretary
> > >of State SHALL certify the results by a certain date. The Florida Supreme
> > >court issued an order stating that the Secretary of State SHALL NOT certify
> > >by that date. I'd call that "subverting" the existing law, not
> > >"interpreting" it.
> >
> > I disagree, but for the purposes of this post lets say you're right.
> > Wouldn't it then be the Florida Supreme Court subverting the law rather
> > than the Democrats? Shouldn't you be up in arms about their actions
> > rather than those of the Democratic Party, who merely brought the suit
> > but did not make the ruling?
> >
>
> I'm not living in the US and I'm not very familiar with US
> Constitution. So I have a question:
> The Florida law book only says that the Secretary of State
> shall certify etc.?
> There aren't perchance a few other laws in that book?
> Because according the legal systems I'm used to, a ruling is
> usually made taking into account ALL the laws, not just one.
> And if following the saying of one law, in one specific
> instance, is not in accordance with other laws, then a
> decision is taken which may be in contrast with that law,
> usually with reference with higher authority, like the
> Constitution.
The law specifying that the Sec. of State shal certify the election
in 7 days is *NOT* in conflict with any other law, nor with the
Florida Constitution nor the US Constitution.
> Is that carried out differently in Florida (or in the US)?
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Darren Winsper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Does Linux envy Microsoft?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 22:58:40 +0000
In article <92utdf$3bi$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Todd"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nope... appeals *will* overturn the verdict. MS did not break the law.
1 year earlier:
'Nope... the judge *will* find them innocent. MS did not break the law.'
--
Darren Winsper (El Capitano)
ICQ #8899775 - AIM: Ikibawa - MSNIM: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Certified 34% bastard, 19% of which is tard.
http://www.thespark.com/bastardtest
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Ghost In The Machine)
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:01:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy, Aaron R. Kulkis
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote
on Tue, 02 Jan 2001 21:08:52 -0500
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>>
>> And Linux isn't?
>>
>> Linux is just now getting a handle on comprehensive and intuitive GUI
>> interfaces.
>
>You are insane. X-windows PRE-DATES MS-windows.
Pedant point: X is not a GUI. It's a foundation -- a very
strong, sturdy one, if a bit complicated (selection using XSelection
is interesting, although not all that hard).
However, GUI widget sets such as Motif have been around
since I don't know when, and Interviews (a Stanford product,
IIRC) was an interesting C++ effort. Even Athena was usable,
if ugly with strange scrollbars. (But they worked.)
GTK is state of the art, although I am not sure it's
got the "focus controllable by keyboard" thing quite down yet. :-)
QT is state of the art as well AFAIK.
Sad to say, so is Microsoft Windows. It's a sorry art over there. :-)
(I think someone's ported GTK to Win32, though.)
[rest snipped]
--
[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- insert random misquote here
up 94 days, 11:13, running Linux.
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Modems
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:05:32 GMT
I don't know those stores (I'm in NZ), however, I would suggest
SwannSmart 56K v90 modem, really good quality, and the connection sticks
under any condition.
kiwiunixman
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm curently a new linux user and I'm using Mandrake 7.2
> Can anyone suggest to me an easy to configure external modem that I can
> find at CompUSA or Best buy? All insight is appreciated.
>
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:07:49 GMT
Pete Goodwin wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>> The C/C++ skills you know now can be used on UNIX/LINUX/BEOS and any
>> other OS that conforms to the C/C++ specifications.
Geeze learning a new api, big fucking whip, compared to those who use VB
who have to learn a whole new bloody language.
kiwiunixman
>
>
> Do you include GUI skills as well?
>
> --
> ---
> Pete
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:17:55 GMT
Mainfreight = Freighting Company
Hubbards Foods = Cereal Manufacturer
Warehouse = Retail Chain
Fisher and Paykel = White ware manufacturing
I have met the CEOs of all three companies, and they are genuinely nice
blokes. These business are not highly technical, and the employees
(not to offend any), require little or no skills, yet they are still
treated like people who matter. All of them (CEO's) are down on the
production floor encouraging their employees. Hubbards one year, to
celebrate 10 years of business flew everyone (incl. family of the
employees included) to a holiday destination of there choice (with in
reason), now that is real partnership between management and employees.
With the mega bucks IBM earns I think they can afford to offer an olive
branch to their employees. Remember, Happy employees are productive
employees.
kiwiunixman
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> kiwiunixman wrote:
>
>> I don't understand all this shit that happens in the US. Here in New
>> Zealand there is a gradual move towared business being more socially
>> responsible. Some case examples would be the Warehouse, Hubbards Foods,
>> Mainfreight, all highly sucessfull business focused on profit AND people.
>
>
> Practically every socialist policy mandated by the US government was
> FIRST offered (as an attractive incentive) by the large corporations here.
>
> The difference is volountarily offering carrots, to attract better
> employees, versus being beaten over the stick by government busy-bodies
> who have never had to meet a payroll month after month, year after year.
>
>
>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>>
>>
>>> kiwiunixman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Overly simplistic and xenaphobic to say the least. Posters/Readers, goto:
>>>>
>>>> http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/talking_point/newsid_324000/324871.asp
>>>>
>>>> and read some of the comments. Society in American thinks different
>>>> when compared to the societies in other countries. Although these types
>>>> of things are common in the US, where I live (New Zealand), we as a
>>>> country would be horrified, and this issue would have been put on the
>>>> top of the list for parliamentry discussion and law reform. I also find
>>>> it rather ammusing that so many countries see America as the symbol of
>>>> democracy, yet, the government is controlled, not by the people, but by
>>>> minority special interest groups using their money and influence to sway
>>>> decisions regarding laws to suite their agenda, and large corperations
>>>> funding parties (such as the Republicans) to influence the outcome of a
>>>
>>>
>>> That's a myth. The Democrats are in bed with corporate America FAR
>>> more than the Republicans.
>>>
>>> Republicans do a lot to preserve the rights of SMALL businesses
>>> AGAINST the plutocratic ways of "big business".
>>>
>>>
>>> Here's a general rule of thumb....WHATEVER the Democrats accuse
>>> the Republicans of doing...you can guarantee that the Democrats
>>> are 10x to 100x as guilty of the same offense....much like the
>>> preacher who constantly harps on and on about adultery while
>>> secretly running around on his wife.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> trial, aka Microsoft vs. the DOJ. Before anything regarding gun law
>>>> reform happens, the whole legal and political system needs and absolute
>>>> overhall, esp. in the area of electing people to parliament/office.
>>>> Until these minority interest groups and corperations stay out of
>>>> politics and get back to what they should be doing, and that getting on
>>>> with life and running their business ethnically and legally, reforms in
>>>> necessary areas to protect innocent citizens will never be passed.
>>>>
>>>> kiwiunixman
>>>>
>>>> worldviewer wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Could only happen in America:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-200-4277328.html?tag=st.ne.1002.bgif.ni
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.zfree.co.nz
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "Like a midget at a urinal, you gotta keep on your toes"
>>>> Naked Gun 33 1/3
>>>>
>>>> "Like a blind man at an orgy, you gotta feel your way out"
>>>> Naked Gun 33 1/3
>>>> ____
>>>>
>>>> Unix Programmer:
>>>>
>>>> "If it an't broken, don't fix it"
>>>>
>>>> Microsoft Programmer:
>>>>
>>>> "If it an't broken and working perfectly, then there must be a problem"
>>>
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:30:08 GMT
<snype>
> I don't know about that. I used to think that e-commerce was largely
> becomming a farce, but then I found out my mother booked her latest
> holiday over the internet and I have just bought a load of upgrades.
e-commerce is a conjob, plain and simple. I can understand an investor,
investing money into Telecom New Zealand as, with its 2 large
acquisitions (AAPT) and very soon Australia's Cable and Wireless Mobile
Division, once that is made, they will be pulling in around (in total)
1.5Billion a year profit, so looking at $4.93 a share is a bargain when
the goods start rolling in. Compare that to Amazon that just wasted 200
million on an investment in pet.com, Mr Bezos = Mr Bozo! Mind you,
that is what happens when there are too many idiots in the market...the
NYSE and NASDAQ will eventually come to a crash and finally get to a
level of realism, Japans had its correction in the early 1990's and New
Zealand had its correction in 1987, now its Americas turn.
kiwiunixman
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From: "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Thu, 4 Jan 2001 01:35:58 +0200
"Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 3 Jan 2001
14:44:18
> > > >The customer can easily find out why the price differ so much.
> > >
> > > No, they can't, despite your contentions. The vast majority of
> > > consumers don't even know they have winmodems or winprinters, or
> > > understand what that means, until they get burned trying to change
OSes.
> >
> > Igonrance is not an excuse, they can ask.
> > Period.
>
> well, you can ask all you want, but do you expect an answer? have you
> been to a best-buy/compusa/&c and asked "do you have a modem which
> would work under linux" and gotten a compentant answer?
Don't have those here, but I can ask for a hardware modem, or a
non-winmodem, or just *gasp* check the bloody box.
And at the worst, I can ask for the guy that knows, there is always at least
one guy there that can answer me.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bill Unruh)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.security,comp.os.linux.misc,comp.os.linux.setup
Subject: Re: Strange passwd
Date: 3 Jan 2001 23:43:32 GMT
In <92tfuk$ihk$[EMAIL PROTECTED]> R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard ) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>You can create rhosts and ~/.rhosts files on each user's home on the
>back-end system.
Please use ssh.
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:43:41 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Gary Hallock wrote:
>
>
> > I thought vi sucked.
>
> This is why you fail...
>
> Can't recognize superior technology.
In my opinion, xedit is superior to vi.
>
>
> > Talk
> > about bad defaults! The arrow keys didn't work. You had to use j, k, etc to move
>around. It
>
> Keeping your hands on the keyboard is a bad thing now?
It is not intuitive. Using the arrow keys is obvious. Using j,k,h,l makes no
sense. Oh,
wait, I could RTFM! But then that would go against
your apparent philosophy that you should be able to use an editor without reading the
manual. You
loose.
And what about when you are in insert mode? Or if you mistype and hit i instead of
k?
>
>
> > came up in command mode. I want to edit the file. Why must I type Esc-I to edit?
> Half the
>
> you don't..you just type 'i' or 'I' or 'a' or 'A' or 'o' or 'O'
>
> how horrible...6 seperate options.
Oh joy! Just makes it that more likely that I will enter insert mode while moving
the cursor.
>
>
> > time I
> > couldn't get it to insert characters properly.
>
> Evidently, millions of users have more intelligence than you.
>
I know how to RTFM, unlike you.
>
> > The other half it would insert but not allow me
> > to delete or overlay characters. Note that this
> > was vi, not vim. And the fact that it had no Rexx macro support.
>
> awwwwwwwwww pooor baby.
>
> Clue, the world does NOT revolve around REXX.
Rexx makes a powerful macro processor. But if you don't like Rexx, you can write
xedit macros in
C. I'll bet you didn't know that.
>
>
> > No ALL command.
>
> Yes, there is.
>
> :s/bad pattern/new text/g
>
> /g indicates GLOBAL REPLACEMENT
Now you are just embarrassing yourself. I said ALL, not c/bad pattern/new text/*.
Do you have
any idea what ALL does?
>
>
> > For a
> > while, I got so frustrated that I just ended up uploading the file I wanted to
>edit to CMS,
> > using xedit, and then downloading the file.
> >
> > You have only provided one reason for hating xedit - a default which you think is
>wrong, but
>
> Indicative of the lack of planning and foresight by the people who write and
>maintain it.
>
Please, tell us, how would you do it differently? Ot better yet, try porting vi to
work with a
3270.
>
> > which has been explained to you is a result of the
> > limitation of the 3270 hardware. Yet you used xedit all that time, hating every
>moment, and
> > never bothered to crack the manual or ask someone. I would agree that the 3270
>has problems.
> > That has been the general consensus within IBM for years. But that is the
>hardware, not
> > xedit. By the way, I tried running xedit without my profile (to get the default
>behavior) and
> > could not reproduce the problem. Insert worked perfectly. This may be because I
>no longer
> > have access to a real 3270 so I use x3270 from AIX.
> >
> > Gary
Interesting how you totally ignored the fact the the problem you are whining about
DOES NOT EXIST on
x3270.
Gary
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From: Craig Kelley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: mail reader
Date: 03 Jan 2001 16:47:40 -0700
"Darren Winsper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Adam Fineman"
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > I'm looking for a mail reader that can handle multiple accounts (mixed
> > IMAP & POP). Netscape, e.g., can only handle multiple accounts if they
> > are all IMAP.
> >
> > Any suggestions?
>
> I've been using Evolution preview 8 for a while now and I'd say it's
> pretty good. You'll have to track it down at http://www.helixcode.com or
> use the Helix Gnome installer to install it.
I had it crash on me whenever I tried to use it against our imap
server; pop seems to work fine, though.
--
The wheel is turning but the hamster is dead.
Craig Kelley -- [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.isu.edu/~kellcrai finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP block
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From: kiwiunixman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Could only...
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:49:29 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> kiwiunixman wrote:
>
>> Well, you're right, nothing will happen until a leader with a bit of
>> backbone, grabs the US by the balls and drags it out of the gun crazed
>> culture that has bred itself into the US citizens sub conscience.
>
>
> Guns are freedom and safety.
>
> Look at Australia...they banned guns, and the murder rate TRIPLED.
>
> This indicates that private ownership of guns PREVENTS more murders
> than it causes.
Same program implemented in New Zealand and the murder rate has gone
down. SO your simplistic approach has failed, or are you one of those
sick, gun crazed yobbo who belongs to the NRA.
>
>
>> Unfortunately this will not happen until the the election system is
>> overhalled so that scumbag organisations like Microsoft and the NRA keep
>> out politics and that elections are based on policies, not, "oh, I'm not
>
>
> Preserving the right to gun ownership *IS* a policy.
>
> Read "The Federalist Papers", and you will understand the US Constitution,
> and PRECISELY why the Right to Keep and Bear Arms is spelled out within it.
Yet even after the mass murders carried out at schools in America,
nothing still hasn't been learnt. Yes, we do have guns in New Zealand
(because some people see it as one of their interests, and I respect
that), however, we have laws surrounding how they are kept etc. For
example, a person who owns a gun, must have it locked in a safe place to
ensure that it is out of the reach of kiddies and undesirable
characters. If you fail to hear to this requirement, you are liable for
any damage that occurs if the gun is stolen and was not safely stored.
We maybe a shitty little country in the south pacific and that 99% of
American youth don't know wheren the hell it is, but at least we have
out shit together.
kiwiunixman
>
>
>
>> voting for Al Gore because he is boring" bullshit the citizens
>> churnthrough as their excuse for not voting for presicent a or b.
>
>
> Al Gore isn't boring...he's a closet-dictator who wants to foment
> his Enviro-religion upon us.
>
>
>
>> kiwiunixman
>>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>>
>>
>>> In article <3a4a97ea$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>>> "theworld" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> The difference is that in the US is happens again, and again, and
>>>
>>> again and
>>>
>>>
>>>> again, and everytime the
>>>> governernment "tries" to do something about it, the so-called
>>>
>>> constitution
>>>
>>>
>>>> waivers start running around
>>>> crapping on about it's the constitutional right to have a
>>>
>>> gun....America,
>>>
>>>
>>>> the land of the ignorant and arrogant.
>>>> It will never end until (which won't happen) the general population
>>>
>>> wake
>>>
>>>
>>>> up from there gun crazed
>>>> obsession and relised they aren't the symbol of democracy, merly a
>>>
>>> bi-product
>>>
>>>
>>>> of years of indotrination.
>>>>
>>>> the world has spoken
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> And don't expect it to get any better when the rootin'-tootin' Texas
>>> executioner takes office as their President. These people just have to
>>> grow old and die before any sensible change can occur. Charlton Heston,
>>> chief bullshitter for the gun lobby, he's older than dirt's grandfather
>>> and won't be around much longer. And thank $DEITY rednecks don't know
>>> enough to vote (Florida proved this). Maybe, just maybe, in a few years
>>> we can expect some semblance of civilization to take sprout in the
>>> colonies. Otherwise they're like Klingons - except stupid.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via Deja.com
>>> http://www.deja.com/
>>
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Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 18:54:46 -0500
From: Gary Hallock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
>
> Why should I need a MANUAL to use a damn terminal????
>
> Again.....the very notion that one should need a manual for a terminal
> is indicative of the sorry level of programming standards at IBM.
>
Now you are just being dense. You do not have to read the 3270 manual to use a 3270
or to use
xedit. You DO have to read the manual if you want to write a full screen editor such
as
xedit. If you read the manual then you might understand what the xedit developers
had to deal
with. Unlike a VT102, the 3270 is not a character device. It is a structured block
device. xedit does not see the characters as you type them. All of the insertion of
characters is done by the 3270 device. You can write an entire screens worth of
data and
nothing is sent to the processor. Nothing is sent to xedit. Not until you hit the
Enter
key. xedit is not involved in any way with insertion of characters as you are typing
them.
NULLS ON is an attempt to bypass the limitations of the 3270 device. It is not
perfect and can
have negative side effects. THAT IS WHY IT IS NOT THE DEFAULT. Too many users
would be
screaming if it was.
The problem you have been whining about is a limitation of the 3270, not xedit. And
it appears
to only be a problem with a real 3270. As I said before, the virtual 3270 created by
x3270
does not exhibit that behavior.
Gary
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