Linux-Advocacy Digest #223, Volume #33 Sat, 31 Mar 01 13:13:06 EST
Contents:
Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger! (Chad Everett)
Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure (Bob Hauck)
Re: Communism (Mathew)
Re: Treason (was Re: Communism) (Scott Erb)
Re: Communism (Scott Erb)
Re: Communism (Ybor)
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Microsoft abandoning USB? ("JS PL")
Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux dying (Donovan Rebbechi)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Chad Everett)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Arrrrgh! Hoist the Jolly Roger!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 31 Mar 2001 10:20:20 -0600
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 14:56:31 GMT, Chris Ahlstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Ayende Rahien wrote:
>>
>> "GreyCloud" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>>
>> > I disagree on the desktop argument. By serving install fests in our
>> > local mall, our organization has made it public that there is an
>> > alternative to microsofts o/s. Many people aren't aware of Linux
>> > because no one has enough money to advertise Linux during prime time
>> > TV
>>
>> Do you read newspapers? Linux got so much free advertisiment that its name
>> is clearly recognizable to anyone with a miniscule interest in computers.
>
>People recognize Madonna more readily. All that "free advertisement"
>merely mentioned Linux in the context of stock prices and hacking
>incidents. It said nothing about what Linux really is.
But Madonna uses Linux. She has huge server farms in the basements of
all her homes and she use private virtual networks to connect them all.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Hauck)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: US Navy carrier to adopt Win2k infrastructure
Reply-To: bobh = haucks dot org
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 16:43:28 GMT
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 03:10:24 GMT, Chad Myers
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The fact is, the Palm stuff is old. Black and white with poor Internet
> integration is out, Color fully-functional integrated Internet is in.
Black & white requires no backlight, gives longer battery life. I am
not sure what "integrated Internet" is supposed to mean. Palm devices
certainly have browsers and email and all that. Handspring has a cell
phone attachment for theirs, and of course there's the Palm VII.
The iPaq has two things over Palm, really. One is that it can play
MP3's, the other is that it can speak wireless ethernet (by virtue of a
PC Card slot). Color is a minor thing I think compared to those, and I
don't think that Palm will let them keep the advantage forever.
OTOH, one friend of mine upon seeing a color Palm device, said "wow, now
I can take my porn with me"!
--
-| Bob Hauck
-| To Whom You Are Speaking
-| http://www.haucks.org/
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
From: Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 02:42:29 +1000
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
> Roberto Alsina wrote:
> >=20
> > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:48:19 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>=
wrote:
> > >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:03:09 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> w=
rote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Gunner =A9 wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> >
> > >> >>> >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its m=
eans, it
> > >> >>> >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, sh=
elter,
> > >> >>> >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
> > >> >>
> > >> >>I wonder what Cuba would be like if Batista and the Mafia still ru=
led.
> > >> >>
> > >> >
> > >> >It would be a lot like Las Vegas, Nevada
> > >>
> > >> Last i checked, Las Vegas Nevada had the mob, but didn't have
> > >>
> > >> a) Batista
> > >> b) A right-wing dictatorship
> > >
> > >I take such labels with a grain of salt.
> > >
> > >According to leftists, anything that isn't as left-wing as themselves
> > >is "right-wing".
> >=20
> > Under Batista there was no freedom of press, there was no free election=
s,
> > the politics were of open market and savage capitalism, there was no
> > socialized healthcare.
>=20
> See, this is why you fail.
>=20
> Capitalism is *NOT* right wing.
> Neither is an open-market economy.
>=20
> What you are describing is a free economic market under a non-free state.
>=20
> Of course, freedom of any sort is destabilizing, as economic freedom
> breeds the desire for political freedom.
>=20
> Which is why closet-dictators LOVE Communism, as it removes all
> economic freedom....from everybody...ESPECIALLY "THE MASSES".
What about Capitalist dictatorships like the Philippines under Marcos?
>=20
>=20
> >=20
> > Are you gonna say Batista was a communist?
>=20
> Spot the attempt to erect a straw-man.
>=20
> >=20
> > >Right-wing has a definition that is more involved than merely
> > >"opposed to left-wing socialist fuck-heads".... "right-wingers"
> > >are actually the ideological cousins of left-wingers....they're
> > >BOTH socialists.
> > >
> > >This is why Stalin told the Communists in Germany to vote for Hitler.
> >=20
> > Well, Hitler did call himself a socialist.
>=20
> Thank you for admitting that truth.
>=20
> Fascism and Communism are two sides of the same coin.
But they are still different.
>=20
> >=20
> > >People who call the various wacko groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan
> > >Nation, and other white supremecist groups 'right wing' are misusing
> > >the term, as these idiots...for all their faults, are *NOT* advocating
> > >any kind of socialism.
> >=20
> > Of course not. They are right wing loonies, not left wing loonies.
>=20
> KKK, AN, et. al, are calling for a vertically integrated, socialist
> economy?
>=20
> Interesting. Could you point us to some position papers where they
> promulgate the economic order of 1930's Germany and Italy, and
> 1920's - Present Japan?
>=20
> Last I checked, most of these groups were ragging on the Japanese
> economic model...which, if you do your homework, has been fascist
> for 80 years now.
I'll agree here
>=20
>=20
> >=20
> > >Thus, although they are reprehensible, they certainly are NOT right-wi=
ng.
> > >
> > >
> > >Basically, left-wingers just use the phrase "right-wing" as a bogeyman
> > >to scare their dazed masses of mind-numbed robots into engaging in
> > >whatever stupid street theater de jure the miscreants at the top want.
> >=20
> > Well, it's a much better bogeyman than "socialist".
>=20
> So, what you're saying is that taxing the workers (translation: stealing
> from them under the threat of violence or imprisonment) for the benefit
> of other people is not one of the basic tenets of socialism...and that
> people who advocate such policies are socialists?
>=20
> Please provide us with a better term to use for these people.
>=20
>=20
> Interesting.
>=20
> >=20
> > >> c) A huge record of human rights violation (and no, I don't mean
> > >> by Castro)
> > >>
> > >> My personal guess is, it would be like Cuba in 1950.
> > >> A place where they welcomed a communist revolution.
> >=20
> > --
> > Roberto Alsina
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>=20
> K: Truth in advertising:
> =09Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> =09Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> =09Special Interest Sierra Club,
> =09Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> =09Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> =09The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> =09Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>=20
>=20
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>=20
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>=20
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>=20
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>=20
>=20
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>=20
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>=20
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
> =20
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>=20
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>=20
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>=20
>=20
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From: Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,us.military.army,soc.singles,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh
Subject: Re: Treason (was Re: Communism)
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:35:51 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> Let's suppose for a moment, Roger, that you are not, in fact, a
> fully indoctrinated Communist.
>
> If that is so...then I'm sure that you can specifically name a few
> of the ways in which you fundamentally disagree with Communist philosophy.
>
> Accuracy counts, so be precise
That sounds like the McCarthy era hearings, putting the burden of proof
on someone to prove that somehow they are not something. You are the
one who needs to be precise: what do you consider the "philosophy of
communism" to be? For me it would be: 1) no private property, the state
owns and controls all means of production; 2) no democracy, as democracy
is to communists a tool of bourgeious capitalists; rather, you need a
vanguard party to guide society to utopia; 3) a fundamental belief that
human nature, culture, and politics are all products of the economic
mode of production, and 4) a belief that once you change the mode of
production to a purely socialist system where the state has managed to
push away capitalist ideas and has created a communist culture, then the
state can whither away as the people, no longer poisoned by capitalist
exploitation will cooperate.
Even though you didn't ask me, I certainly don't believe any of the
four. I've traveled a bit in Russia and know a lot of people there,
communism Soviet style sucked. I haven't seen any other poster profess
any of these things. So your question seems to be a distraction and
obfuscation of a debate, and serves no purpose except to try to put
yourself on the offensive.
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From: Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 11:44:25 -0500
"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> This is why Democracy is *ILLEGAL* at the Federal and State level.
What on earth do you mean?
> Read the Constitution...it clearly states that the United States >federal
> government is a Republic *AND* also states that each state, to be a >member,
> must also guarantee to its citizens that it is also a Republic.
You do know, don't know, that a Republic can be democratic?
> The word "Democracy" does not appear in the Constition, nor do any >other words of
>the same root.
The constitution sets up a democratic republic. This is really basic
stuff, Aaron.
> Democracy is 500 wolves and 100 lambs voting on what to have for >dinner.
That is why a Democratic Republic exists, and not pure democracy. It
sets certain rules and procedures within which the democratic aspects of
the system function. The term "Liberal Democracy" (used to describe the
US and many European states) means a Democratic Republic limited by
liberal principles (a right to life, liberty, and property, with a focus
on individual freedoms, harkening back to philosophers like Locke, it is
distrustful of a strong central government).
> An American-style Constitutional Republic has representatives from the
> populace at large voting on what to have for dinner, with the fundamental
> provision that the rights of the lambs (including the right to life)
> shall NOT be violated...REGARDLESS of what the wolves want.
Yes, and the Constitution lays out those limits. Of course, the
constitution can be amended, and it is perfectly legal for groups and
citizens to work together to try to create amendments to change those
limits. It's not an easy process, thankfully, but it has been needed
and it does work.
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From: Ybor <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:18:30 -0500
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 23:32:28 -0500, Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
scribbled :
>
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Communism is a utopian idea which is completely incompatible with
>> human nature. Hence any attempt to implement it will end in either
>> capitulation or tyranny. Generally the latter, as anyone driven to
>> take power is not likely to give it up.
>
>That's a tad simplistic. Human nature is not necessarily incompatible
>with socialism or communism, but Marxian communism ignored culture and
>politics in its focus on economic determinism. It also, in its
>Leninists variants, saw the state as being able to enforce a complete
>change in society, something that does indeed lead to tyranny. If any
>kind of socialism is ever to be achieved, it will have to be democratic
>and chosen, not enforced. I suspect that is still generations away.
Talk about being simplistic! Scott Erb claims to be an expert in
political science but apparently can't fathom the obvious
contradictions in the statements above.
First of all, Democracy is a way of establishing political power.
The existence of political power implies force not choice.
Second, the choice of socialism, as Erb defines it here, is available
to one and all today, and it is overwhelmingly rejected.
-- It may not be logical to reply logically to your
illogical posting, but I do so enjoy adding to
your confusion.
John
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:03:12 -0500
Mathew wrote:
>
> On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> > Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > >
> > > On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 06:48:19 -0500, Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >Roberto Alsina wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Chad Everett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >On Fri, 30 Mar 2001 01:03:09 +1000, Mathew <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>On Wed, 28 Mar 2001, Gunner © wrote:
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>> On Wed, 28 Mar 2001 01:59:15 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > > >> >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> >
> > > >> >>> >> Cuba has dedicated itself to the principle that, within its means, it
> > > >> >>> >> will try not to kill any human beings due to lack of food, shelter,
> > > >> >>> >> medical care, poor sanitation, etc.
> > > >> >>>
> > > >> >>> But they got real good at shooting down Cessnas......
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >>I wonder what Cuba would be like if Batista and the Mafia still ruled.
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >
> > > >> >It would be a lot like Las Vegas, Nevada
> > > >>
> > > >> Last i checked, Las Vegas Nevada had the mob, but didn't have
> > > >>
> > > >> a) Batista
> > > >> b) A right-wing dictatorship
> > > >
> > > >I take such labels with a grain of salt.
> > > >
> > > >According to leftists, anything that isn't as left-wing as themselves
> > > >is "right-wing".
> > >
> > > Under Batista there was no freedom of press, there was no free elections,
> > > the politics were of open market and savage capitalism, there was no
> > > socialized healthcare.
> >
> > See, this is why you fail.
> >
> > Capitalism is *NOT* right wing.
> > Neither is an open-market economy.
> >
> > What you are describing is a free economic market under a non-free state.
> >
> > Of course, freedom of any sort is destabilizing, as economic freedom
> > breeds the desire for political freedom.
> >
> > Which is why closet-dictators LOVE Communism, as it removes all
> > economic freedom....from everybody...ESPECIALLY "THE MASSES".
>
> What about Capitalist dictatorships like the Philippines under Marcos?
It's a perfect exampe of what I was saying: Economic freedom leads to
political freedom...because it destabilizes the dictatorship.
> >
> >
> > >
> > > Are you gonna say Batista was a communist?
> >
> > Spot the attempt to erect a straw-man.
> >
> > >
> > > >Right-wing has a definition that is more involved than merely
> > > >"opposed to left-wing socialist fuck-heads".... "right-wingers"
> > > >are actually the ideological cousins of left-wingers....they're
> > > >BOTH socialists.
> > > >
> > > >This is why Stalin told the Communists in Germany to vote for Hitler.
> > >
> > > Well, Hitler did call himself a socialist.
> >
> > Thank you for admitting that truth.
> >
> > Fascism and Communism are two sides of the same coin.
>
> But they are still different.
A distinction without a difference.
Fascists kill the poor first.
Communists kill the rich first.
In fascism, industry "owns" the government.
In Communism, the government "owns" industry.
In either situation, the corrupt elite gravitate towards positions
with the most power. Whether that is in a political office, or
the top of a large industrial empire makes little difference, as
advancement is achieved primarily through pure ruthlessness and
nothing else. And under either system, elections are meaningless
anyway.
As Stalin said, the important thing in an election is not who
votes, but who COUNTS the votes.
>
> >
> > >
> > > >People who call the various wacko groups like the Ku Klux Klan, Aryan
> > > >Nation, and other white supremecist groups 'right wing' are misusing
> > > >the term, as these idiots...for all their faults, are *NOT* advocating
> > > >any kind of socialism.
> > >
> > > Of course not. They are right wing loonies, not left wing loonies.
> >
> > KKK, AN, et. al, are calling for a vertically integrated, socialist
> > economy?
> >
> > Interesting. Could you point us to some position papers where they
> > promulgate the economic order of 1930's Germany and Italy, and
> > 1920's - Present Japan?
> >
> > Last I checked, most of these groups were ragging on the Japanese
> > economic model...which, if you do your homework, has been fascist
> > for 80 years now.
>
> I'll agree here
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > >Thus, although they are reprehensible, they certainly are NOT right-wing.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Basically, left-wingers just use the phrase "right-wing" as a bogeyman
> > > >to scare their dazed masses of mind-numbed robots into engaging in
> > > >whatever stupid street theater de jure the miscreants at the top want.
> > >
> > > Well, it's a much better bogeyman than "socialist".
> >
> > So, what you're saying is that taxing the workers (translation: stealing
> > from them under the threat of violence or imprisonment) for the benefit
> > of other people is not one of the basic tenets of socialism...and that
> > people who advocate such policies are socialists?
> >
> > Please provide us with a better term to use for these people.
> >
> >
> > Interesting.
> >
> > >
> > > >> c) A huge record of human rights violation (and no, I don't mean
> > > >> by Castro)
> > > >>
> > > >> My personal guess is, it would be like Cuba in 1950.
> > > >> A place where they welcomed a communist revolution.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Roberto Alsina
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: "JS PL" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft abandoning USB?
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:35:49 -0500
"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Shocker. Let me ask you something: how much can an author ethically
> charge for something that costs him nothing, and has no functional
> value?
The author can ethically charge whatever he wants, it's the beauty of living
in a free society. I realize you wish producers of intellectual property
were slaves of the state and must give away their creativity to anyone who
wants it or sell it at a rate which you can best afford but the world
doesn't work like that anymore. Maybe a hundred years ago perhaps, but it's
a whole new world today.
If I write a song and want a trillion dollars for it, it's my right.
Communism is dead Marx.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 12:12:59 -0500
Scott Erb wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > This is why Democracy is *ILLEGAL* at the Federal and State level.
>
> What on earth do you mean?
You didn't pay attention in your civics class, did you?
Either that, or your teacher was some leftist tool.
>
> > Read the Constitution...it clearly states that the United States >federal
> > government is a Republic *AND* also states that each state, to be a >member,
> > must also guarantee to its citizens that it is also a Republic.
>
> You do know, don't know, that a Republic can be democratic?
That's a contradiction in terms.
DEMO-CRACY literally equals "government by the people"
If you look at the Constitution, it is quite clear that "the people"
are specifically PROHIBITED from governing the nation....that is
left to the Senate and the House of Representatives....that is,
a REPUBLIC (governance by representatives)
>
> > The word "Democracy" does not appear in the Constition, nor do any >other words of
>the same root.
>
> The constitution sets up a democratic republic. This is really basic
> stuff, Aaron.
>
> > Democracy is 500 wolves and 100 lambs voting on what to have for >dinner.
>
> That is why a Democratic Republic exists, and not pure democracy. It
A democratic REPUBLIC =/= Republican Democracy.
[Actually, a Republican Democracy is a complete contradiction in terms]
> sets certain rules and procedures within which the democratic aspects of
> the system function. The term "Liberal Democracy" (used to describe the
> US and many European states) means a Democratic Republic limited by
The us is NOT a democracy of any type. Whoever told you that the US is
a "Liberal Democracy" is either ignorant of what the term means, or
filling your head with propaganda. Likewise for Europe. In fact,
I know of *NO* nation on the face of the earth which is a democracy.
> liberal principles (a right to life, liberty, and property, with a focus
> on individual freedoms, harkening back to philosophers like Locke, it is
> distrustful of a strong central government).
None of which has to do with Democracy.
Respect for human rights is not democracy. In fact, Democracy is
particularly DANGEROUS to human rights. Ever hear of the term
"the Tyranny of the Majority" If "the majority" of easily confused
and swayed citizens can be rallied to violate your human rights, then
exactly how does a democracy connote human rights.
Democracy leads to lynchings and other forms of "mob justice"
>
> > An American-style Constitutional Republic has representatives from the
> > populace at large voting on what to have for dinner, with the fundamental
> > provision that the rights of the lambs (including the right to life)
> > shall NOT be violated...REGARDLESS of what the wolves want.
>
> Yes, and the Constitution lays out those limits. Of course, the
> constitution can be amended, and it is perfectly legal for groups and
> citizens to work together to try to create amendments to change those
> limits. It's not an easy process, thankfully, but it has been needed
> and it does work.
Fortunately, the final protector of the human rights affirmed in the
Constitution is the 2nd Amendment (Unconditional right to keep and
bear arms) which gives teeth to all of the others.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
K: Truth in advertising:
Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
Special Interest Sierra Club,
Anarchist Members of the ACLU
Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Donovan Rebbechi)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Linux dying
Date: 31 Mar 2001 17:43:11 GMT
On Sat, 31 Mar 2001 17:45:16 +0200, Ayende Rahien wrote:
>
>"Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > can be a nightmare. I would rather have a PC on my desk at work running
>> > Linux than any Sun workstation.
>>
>> Doesn't Solaris run linux binaries anymore?
>
>Natively, I don't *think* so.
I think they have some Linux compatibility libraries, but I've never
tried using them.
>A simple recompile should fix it, however.
>Beside, isn't Solaris based on BSD? BSD has a linux compatibality layer, I
>would be surpised if Solaris didn't have one.
No, SunOS was based on BSD, new versions of Solaris are SysV based.
--
Donovan Rebbechi * http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ *
elflord at panix dot com
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