Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #31 Thu, 4 Jan 01 00:13:04 EST
Contents:
Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000 ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Uptimes (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Why NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R.
Kulkis")
Re: Why NT? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Why NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Would Linux be invented if? (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux vs Microsoft (Perry Pip)
Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: COM on UNIX (Russ Lyttle)
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Question with Security on Linux/Unix versus Windows NT/2000
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:20:13 -0500
kiwiunixman wrote:
>
> Thank you. Also, if NT was a true multi-user OS why would you need a
> third party tool to make it possible.
Doh!
>
> kiwiunixman
>
> Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> > "Todd" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:92aaqs$f3s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> >>> Multi user is when you share the servers/workstation resources
> >>> (CPU/Mem/hdd space) with multiple users. NT has never had multi-user
> >>> support until Citrix released Citrix Winframe, which allows a sort of
> >>> suedo multi-user system possible.
> >>
> >> This statement is blatantly false.
> >
> >
> > But true in a practical sense.
> >
> >
> >> To prove this, fire up rcmd under a different user, and connect to a
> >
> > NT/2000
> >
> >> machine.
> >
> >
> > And try to run all your applications.
> >
> >
> >> Check the 'owner' of the objects, and you will see that they are owned by
> >> the user that connected with rcmd. When something is executed on the NT
> >> machine, the process and everything else is owned by the rcmd user. You
> >
> > can
> >
> >> have different users at the same time, of course, each using their own
> >> resources.
> >
> >
> > But the applications - remember the reason you have the computer and
> > OS in the first place - virtually all insist on using only the console and
> > NT has no concept of sharing that access among multiple users at the
> > same time.
> >
> >
> >> Please brush up on your NT knowledge.
> >
> >
> > He understands the situation. As does Citrix and MS itself since there
> > are extra-cost add-ons to work around this omission.
> >
> > Les Mikesell
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:22:14 GMT
In article <NXQ46.477$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Chad C. Mulligan wrote:
>
>
>BTW, typical penguinista tactics here, rather than continuing a discussion,
>just attack the opponent.
>
Well. Being a blithering dumbass is your MO.
If you don't want it baby then don't flaunt it.
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:22:04 -0500
mlw wrote:
>
> With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
> why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
>
> I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
> deploy NT.
Because some IT managers are invested up to their ears in Microshaft,
and have a conflict of interest.
>
> --
> http://www.mohawksoft.com
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:23:02 -0500
Johan Kullstam wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > "Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >
> > > > "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > > Said Ayende Rahien in alt.destroy.microsoft on Wed, 3 Jan 2001
> > 14:44:18
> > > > > >The customer can easily find out why the price differ so much.
> > > > >
> > > > > No, they can't, despite your contentions. The vast majority of
> > > > > consumers don't even know they have winmodems or winprinters, or
> > > > > understand what that means, until they get burned trying to change
> > OSes.
> > > >
> > > > Igonrance is not an excuse, they can ask.
> > > > Period.
> > >
> > > well, you can ask all you want, but do you expect an answer? have you
> > > been to a best-buy/compusa/&c and asked "do you have a modem which
> > > would work under linux" and gotten a compentant answer?
> >
> > Don't have those here, but I can ask for a hardware modem, or a
> > non-winmodem, or just *gasp* check the bloody box.
>
> i ended up getting an external. gotta love blinkenlights. but all
> the internals i saw had "requires windows 95" and such on the box.
> who can tell? it's in the manufacturer's of the winmodems best
> interest to obscure the facts.
Just check to see if it has a serial-plug on it.
If it plugs into a SERIAL PORT, then it's good to go.
>
> > And at the worst, I can ask for the guy that knows, there is always
> > at least one guy there that can answer me.
>
> where do you shop? i'd like to go there.
>
> --
> J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Don't Fear the Penguin!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:25:54 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, mlw wrote:
>With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
>why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
>
>I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
>deploy NT.
>
Well. If you IT department is staffed with fully licensed morons then
Windows would be an excellent choice.
Another good reason to use Microshaft servers is if you simply don't
give a FUCK about your company.
There's little talent required to run LoseDos.
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:25:10 -0500
Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>
> Ayende Rahien wrote:
> >
> > Why did Redhat stock fell?
>
> The whole tech stock market has fallen.
> (That just pushes off the real answer, I
> know. Sorry.)
Because P/E (price/earning) ratios were running around 30 (which corresponds
to a measly 3% interest)...thus, ALL stocks were Waaaaaaay overvalued.
This is becuase Baby Boomers have been dumping money into mutual funds like
there is no tomorrow..... creating a shortage of stocks to purchase..
thus driving up the price.
At least we don't have a bunch of people buying on margin like back
in the 1920's.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:29:24 -0500
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> mlw wrote:
> >
> > With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
> > why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
>
> You forgot Plan 9. When I had this particular interview, the person
> doing the hiring said that Windows NT is easier to use than unix. He
> also said that a lot of software was being ported to Windows from unix,
> so that makes it a good reason to switch. (*Shrugs*. This is a good
> reason to switch?!) Departments switching from unix to NT also cite
> that fact that Windows has the great clipboard thingie, and that you can
> do all kinds of sophisticated OLE stuff with it. For example, if you do
> some analysis with engineering software, you can select the data, or
> click on a graph for example, and select "copy" from the menu. And --
> get this -- brace yourself -- Windows' clipboard is so neat and
> ulta-sophisticated, it allows you to select what kind of data you'd like
> to paste into your document. For example, you can select "plain text",
> "word document", and "bitmap". Dammit, X11 doesn't have anything near
> this sophisticated, so I suppose that automatically makes Windows NT
> better. Besides, they say, unix isn't a good OS to use unless you are
> doing intensive computational projects, or running a server.
>
> Also, remember, it doen't matter if you use TeX and LaTeX as your word
> processor. If you don't know Word and Excel, you're automatically
> computer illiterate. Of course, Word and Excel run only on Windows 95
> and NT, so that makes NT a better platform for truly computer literate
> users.
>
> That's what I actually got on one interview where they were replacing
> Solaris boxen with NT boxes. The fact that NT is able to run the same
> engineering software that unix does, except you can cut and paste into
> Word/Excel with the ultra-sleek Windows clipboard makes NT a better
> platform than unix in many people's eyes.
>
> Bill Gates is looked upon by many people as this computer genius in our
> society. How many times have you heard people who aren't computer savvy
> say "In the future, Bill Gates will give you this piece of software that
> does this..", or "he was kind of nerdy, like Bill Gates...". Or, during
> the election hoopla in Florida (no, I don't want to argue about Gore vs.
> Bush), someone wrote in letters to the editor: "They should have
> Microsoft design the next electronic voting machines, so we won't be
> stuck with this pre-historic system we've got now".
>
> So, unfortunately, many non computer-savvy people automatically point to
> Microsoft as being a great software company, and Bill Gates as being the
> smart-but-nerdy-looking computer scientist. This is all they know.
Microsoft marketing department has created quite a cult, haven't they...
>
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--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Would Linux be invented if?
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:35:37 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Donn Miller wrote:
>You forgot Plan 9. When I had this particular interview, the person
>doing the hiring said that Windows NT is easier to use than unix. He
>also said that a lot of software was being ported to Windows from unix,
>so that makes it a good reason to switch. (*Shrugs*. This is a good
>reason to switch?!) Departments switching from unix to NT also cite
>that fact that Windows has the great clipboard thingie, and that you can
>do all kinds of sophisticated OLE stuff with it. For example, if you do
>some analysis with engineering software, you can select the data, or
>click on a graph for example, and select "copy" from the menu. And --
>get this -- brace yourself -- Windows' clipboard is so neat and
>ulta-sophisticated, it allows you to select what kind of data you'd like
>to paste into your document. For example, you can select "plain text",
>"word document", and "bitmap". Dammit, X11 doesn't have anything near
>this sophisticated, so I suppose that automatically makes Windows NT
>better. Besides, they say, unix isn't a good OS to use unless you are
>doing intensive computational projects, or running a server.
I wonder what people would think about this idea.
If there were no Microsoft and Windows was never invented.
If we still had Novel and Apple battling it out with Unix's,
WOULD THERE HAVE BEEN LINUX?
I think the answer to that is YES.
Linus mastered Linux because he wanted a replacement for Minix.
Linus had no vision of conquering Microsoft at all. This was
never his objective.
Isn't it funny how all those companies who HAD OBJECTIVES to
conquer Windows failed and the one who was just playing one
year with a kernel with NO AMBITIONS WHAT-SO-EVER will be
the one to topple Microsoft.
This is the work of god.
Charlie
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:38:46 -0500
"R.E.Ballard ( Rex Ballard )" wrote:
>
>
> I actually think that the forced break-up on involuntary terms
> suggested by Judge Jackson are a bit extreme. The primary goal
> is to create a competitive market, not to destroy Microsoft.
After 15 years of consent-agreement violations, i'm of the opinion
that the ONLY way to restore a competitive market is to destroy
Microsoft.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Perry Pip)
Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft
Date: 4 Jan 2001 04:53:00 GMT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Tue, 02 Jan 2001 11:29:54 GMT,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Honestly, have any of you really fairly tested Windows 2000 with service
>pack 1?
Yes I have. It BSOD'd twice while running the MS office installer. It
has also hung on me several times while burning CD's. And yes, I have
all the updates and Adaptec CD patched install. The same machine Dual
boots with debian 'unstable' and it's never crashed on me.
>how about Windows 2000 DataCenter?
Haven't got the cash to waste, esp. with no reason to believe it would
be any less flakey.
>It seems no one here would
>even give W2k the time of day (or money) to really try it out to
>determine how true these statements are.
Wrong.
>If so, specifically what was unstable?
Abit BP6
Dual Celeron 366hz/66hz
256 MB RAM
hda: Maxtor 91024U4, ATA DISK drive
hdb: ACER CRW6206A, ATAPI CD-RW
hdc: WDC AC28400R, ATA DISK drive
hdd: WDC WD205BA, ATA DISK drive
3Dfx Banshee 16MB
W2K crashed as described above. And like I said, I have no problems
with debian 'unstable' (sid) on the same machine.
>And don't say "Well on home built
>computer with hardware from
>the 70's..."
>
Why not?? Linux can run on dated hardware.
>My RedHat 7.0 is far, far from ideal....
>
>
So is Win2k, and alot more expensive.
>Perry Pip wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 1 Jan 2001 19:49:11 +0100,
>> SwifT - <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> >On Mon, 1 Jan 2001, Nigel Feltham wrote:
>> >
>> >> On the other hand if anyone is desparate to get the new kernel they can get
>> >> the latest test release to use from www.kernel.org
>> >
>> >Good point.
>> >
>>
>> And even in a beta state, it's more stable than any MS OS.
>>
>> Perry
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Nobody wants Linux because it destroys hard disks.
Date: Wed, 03 Jan 2001 23:55:57 -0500
Les Mikesell wrote:
>
> "Ayende Rahien" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:92vara$i8r$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >
> > "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:kWy46.53665$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > Yes there is a list of commands, but they don't have much to do with
> > > administering the machine. Where do I find the command that would
> > > add or remove an ip addresses for example. There is one, but where
> > > do I find it and it's documentation?
> >
> > ipconfig
>
> Let me try again. Where do I find this command and it's documentation,
> unless you meant to imply that the correct way to find out about this
> hidden functionality is to ask on usenet? Where are the on-line
> manual pages for this new stuff?
Send $5,000 to Redmond, and they'll sell you some books that tell
the name of some books that can be obtained for $10,000 which
contain the answer.
>
> Les Mikesell
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
------------------------------
From: Russ Lyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: COM on UNIX
Date: Thu, 04 Jan 2001 04:57:48 GMT
"Joseph T. Adams" wrote:
>
> RussLyttle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : I know. I was refering to IBM in the late 60s to early 70s trying to develop
>timeshare and large government networks. I can't
> : recall the name of the IBM project off hand, but I do recall that initially COM
>was decried as a poor copy of a failed
> : technology. IIRC, the sequence was IBM tried and dropped it. Unixen kept trying
>until they gave up, CORBA began development, MS
> : rushed out COM, COM failed so MS split it into what is now called DCOM, MTS, and
>ActiveX in some random manner.
>
> COM didn't fail in its original goal, which was to provide a standard
> for binary access to components residing on the same machine. In
> fact, Windows and almost all Windows programs consist largely of
> components interacting via COM.
>
Which is why Windows is such a security nightmare. It failed in that no
one would adopt it.
> What went wrong is that the design of COM by itself didn't take into
> account the need to access components across machine, network, time,
> and platform boundaries, so M$ kept layering additional functionality
> on top of COM, and ended up, three or four generations later, with
> something that simply didn't meet the demands of today's distributed,
> Web-enabled applications.
>
Yup.
> As much as I'd like to stick it to M$ in any way I can, I can't blame
> it for not foreseeing, 12-15 years ago, what distributed applications
> were going to look like today.
>
Why not? IBM saw that over 30 years ago. As did Xerox and many others.
> Joe
--
Russ Lyttle, PE
<http://www.flash.net/~lyttlec>
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