Linux-Advocacy Digest #232, Volume #32 Fri, 16 Feb 01 08:13:05 EST
Contents:
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Peter Hayes)
Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux (Peter Hayes)
Re: I will give MS credit for one thing (Donn Miller)
Re: DOS2Unix ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"! ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push. ("Karel Jansens")
Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control) ("Karel Jansens")
Re: Linux Threat: non-existant ("Karel Jansens")
Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else (Robert Surenko)
Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable? (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: The Windows guy. ("Mike")
Re: ReiserFS (mlw)
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: The Windows guy. ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Linux 64 bit and Windows 32 bit ("Edward Rosten")
Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Interesting article (Ketil Z Malde)
Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft (Charlie Ebert)
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux ("Edward Rosten")
Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux ("Edward Rosten")
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:09:37 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 04:45:51 GMT, T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Sat, 10 Feb 2001
> 17:59:38 -0600;
> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> >news:963qin$i8f$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> Erik Funkenbusch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> In effect MS will control what I can do with MY computer and the OS,
> >> >> which i gave money for (lots of it, to boot).
> >>
> >> > You don't own the OS, you only own the license, even with Linux.
> >>
> >> Look, funkybreath, quit talking about linux. Every time you say
> >> *anything* about linux, you make yourself look like a complete idiot.
> >
> >Are you stating specifically that you do in fact own the intellectual
> >property contained in a Linux distribution?
>
> Just a copy of it.
>
> >That goes against the comments
> >embedded in the source code and against the GPL. The copyright owner owns
> >the software, not the licensee.
>
> No, the copyright owner owns the intellectual property, not the
> software. According to some theory, there is a magical 'original copy'
> which the author always owns, but the fact is that is a crutch for those
> who can't grasp abstractions. In reality, if you purchased a 'software
> package', then you own that software package.
You don't own that "software package". All you own is the "package"[ing].
A plastic and aluminium disk worth a few pennies, and a few pieces of paper
on which the manufacturer may have printed some information. You've also
paid for the right to use (not "own") the information on the disk within
defined parameters.
> Trying to confuse things
> with epistemological double-speak has no bearing on the matter.
Yeup
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: Peter Hayes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler/.NET will Help Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:09:38 +0000
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 02:41:10 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> The market will speak on this. MS can't force people.
They might have been able to a couple of years ago, but not now with a
viable alternable in the wings.
The problem with Linux is there's no central marketing to push the product.
Some might say that's a good thing.
Peter
--
In the 19th century surveyors measured the height of Everest
from 500 miles away in India.
This cannot be done today. Everest is no longer visible from
the survey location due to increased atmospheric pollution.
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From: Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: I will give MS credit for one thing
Date: 16 Feb 2001 06:18:09 -0600
Brian Langenberger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Have you tried "mtv" yet? While it is shareware, I've yet to find
> an MPEG file that it doesn't like. I recommend giving it a try
> and post back if it works/doesn't work on your setup.
Yep, works great. See, I was using xmms+smpeg, and I don't think the audio
and video are synchronised. You probably wouldn't notice this on little
mpegs, so xmms is more than sufficient for these. In fact, mtv works even
better than WMP, because it's running on a much better OS.
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: DOS2Unix
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:21:11 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Bloody Viking wrote:
>>
>> Mike Martinet ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>
>> : How can you not love Linux?
>>
>> [fun tale snipped[
>>
>> I have my own fun tale of how I came to the Linux fold. My very first
>> computer was the old Commodore 64. I had it in 1984 and used it as late
>> as 1993. During
>>
> <snip>
> I did the Atari 8 - bit: I had all the books, all the upgrades, two
> dozen discrete components with two dozen power supplies, SpartaDOS on a
> cartridge, and ohmygawd a 10 meg hard drive. When it became apparent
> that not only was the South not going to rise again but neither was
> Atari, I bought an XT clone. Amber screen, 20 meg drive, all bootlegged
> software from the gitgo. There was a '286 after that, then a '486.
>
> My intro to Linux was after I became thoroughly frustrated that IBM was
> abandoning OS/2, right when Windows 95 was coming out. I put Windows 95
> on my old 50mhz '486 Packard Bell, got frustrated because it was a
> downgrade from Warp. I put my own computer together (first time! why
> did I wait so long?). At the time I read a Byte mag article about
> Lunux, so I bought a book with a Slackware CD on it, and installed. I
> don't even remember the version anymore. It was before 2.0 by quite a
> stretch. I couldn't get X working, so I played around with the command
> line for a long time. Eventually I gravitated to SuSE. That '486 was
> the last commercially produced computer I owned.
>
I don't know whether IBM had already "abandoned" OS/2 in 1995, seeing as
up to middle to end 1996 OS/2 was still a very strong contender to
Windows 95, with a healthy software development scene.
In hindsight, the writing on the wall became quite apparent by early '97.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Another Linux "Oopsie"!
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:21:14 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> Said Karel Jansens in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Tue, 13 Feb 2001
>>Pete Goodwin wrote:
>>>
>>> T. Max Devlin wrote:
>>>
>>> > I "got it right". As a mindless Windows idiot, you didn't look at
>>> > the dialog you were clicking OK in, and realize that Gimp uses raw
>>> > mode by default.
>>>
>>> Like I said, as a reasonable person, I assumed the default would be to
>>> use the system wide settings. Nothing on the dialog indicates what
>>> printer you're about to use _unless_ you click on the button marked
>>> Setup - which, as a reasonably minded person, I thought had already
>>> been done.
>>>
>>> Sorry, but you can't twist this one to fit the way you want it to
>>> appear.
>>
>>It seems to me that by "reasonable" you actually mean: "reasonable for
>>someone accustomed to the Windows paradigm".
>
> This is where things break down. Because even in "the Windows
> paradigm", it is possible and at least historically common that graphics
> or other specialized applications might use something other than the
> 'bog-standard defaults'. Some putz who might have learned Windows
> exclusively in the last three years might not be aware of this, but even
> that is somewhat dubious.
Yes, there have been Windows apps that used their own printer drivers
(the best known of these was WordPerfect 5.2, which offered a choice). I
don't know if this has been the case since the introduction of Windows
95.
[snip]
>
>>But I agree with this: *nix (and i.c. linux) requires more conscious
>>attention from the user.
>
> [...]
>
> As soon as the market has the facilities (and freedom) to demand a
> "Chooser-based printer facility", I'm quite confident that Linux will
> provide several worthwhile competitive alternatives. For now, since
> printing actually works fine, Pete's whining about not having
> brain-dead-proof Windows-isms is just so much hot air.
>
What do you mean by "Chooser-based printer facility"?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Whistler, yet another Windows push.
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:21:17 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2001 07:08:50 GMT, J Sloan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>
>>Ah, but it is available, haven't you been listening?
>
> I guess I must have missed it. Sorry :(
>
>>It's great to be able to do all my work on a Unix platform.
>
>
> I'd be doing the same if I could.
>
>>> For the worse IMHO.
>>
>>Sorry to hear of your windows woes!
>
> I meant Linux, but in some respects I do agree with you. This .Net thing
> has me worried, pissed off and just plain angry. As for Linux, this may
> be it's big chance because if MS is planning on trying to control our
> machines/software, even Joe Sixpack is going to get pissed off and look
> elsewhere.
>
>
>>Back when I started with Linux in 1993, there were no apps except the
>>simple utilities that came with the system - but it was a great way to
>>get into Unix.
>
> Try. I used to run Slackware from one of those Unleashed books. Made
> 40 floppies or something from the CD because my player wasn't
> supported .
>
>>But then there was mosaic - and a few months later, there arose
>>unofficial ports of doom and netscape.
>
> Yes.
>>Then in late 1996, there was quake.
>>
>>The next year more apps slowly started appearing
>>
>>The past year or two, it's been great, and getting better.
>>
>>There's no putting the genie back in the bottle at this point.
>
> I agree with you.
>
OK. Own up: Who the hell are you and where have you dumped Claire's body?
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: This is astonishing (MS/DRM/Hardware Control)
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:21:16 -0100
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Flacco"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Linux has to be offered pre-installed together with all the extras the
>> average newbie expects when buying their first computer, printer,
>> scanner, webcam, internet access, all set up and ready to run.
>
> Yes - on the business side too.
>
> I made a note to myself before I went to bed last night. It said
> "Instant Linux Office". The idea is to provide a distro that lets even
> the most intellectually challenged to set up a Linux-based network for a
> small to medium-sized office.
>
> A product like this would contain at minimum:
>
> - A preconfigured Linux server
> - A bootable client CD-ROM
>
> Optional components:
>
> - Any number of workstations
> - Ethernet hub and cabling
> - Router to Internet connection (DSL, Cable, whatever)
> - Peripherals like network printer, scanner, etc.
> - Separate web server (recommended)
>
> The install would go like this:
>
> 1 - Big colorful diagrams show the user how to set up the hardware
> (basically connect everything to the hub, peripherals to the server).
>
> 2 - Boot up the server, which presents a business setup screen:
> Business
> name, address, root password, user names, etc. The server sets itself
> up using this info. Server contains all the productivity apps a typical
> office needs.
>
> 3 - Each workstation is set up using the CD-ROM, which contacts the
> server
> upon boot and automatically sets up the workstation, downloading the
> configuration from the server, including print servers, links to
> applications, etc.
>
>
> Just a thought. Maybe something like this already exists in the Linux
> world?
If I'm not mistaken, you've just described eComStation from Serenity
Systems.
Only problem is: eCS is based on OS/2 technology.
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
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From: "Karel Jansens" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux Threat: non-existant
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:21:14 -0100
In article <F74j6.13019$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Boris
Dynin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Wow! Another master-debater joins the Windows camp.
I'm beginning to wonder, what with all these geniuses using Windows, if
I didn't make the wrong choice by opting for linux...
> Wow, asshole from F*cking fathreland. Fuck off you retard.
>
> Boris
> "Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Chad Myers wrote:
>> >
>> > What Linux support?
>> >
>> > > With a microsoft support package, call in a problem and wait, for
> three
>> > > days to > infinity.
>> >
>> > Blatant lie.
>> >
>> > -Chad
>> >
>> > <SNIP rest, based on false premise and idiotic logic>
>> >
>> >
>>
>> Chad, and again without his medicine. Chad, jsut for the record, have
>> youi ever heard how SuSE is making it`s money? They don`t get most of
>> it from the sale of SuSE-Linux, although I`m sure that helps a lot.
>> Nope, by far most of their revenue is from support-contracts.
>>
>> And I did already experience the famous MS support. Those guys not only
>> could`nt help, they had the gall to charge money for this "support".
>>
>> Now go back playing with your wintendo-thingy, and don`t forget your
>> pills now, chaddy-boy. You know, how badly you behave without...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Are you sure you REALLY want to read this with Netscape?
>> [ ] YES Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
>> [ ] NO Go to the Microsoft site and download Internet Explorer
>> [ ] LOCK UP Crash Windows and soft reboot
>> [ ] BSOD Crash Windows and hard reboot
>>
>
>
--
Regards,
Karel Jansens
==============================
"Go go gadget linux." Zoomm!
==============================
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From: Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS to Enforce Registration - or Else
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:28:14 GMT
In comp.os.linux.misc Steve Mading <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.advocacy Robert Surenko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : In comp.os.linux.misc John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> :> Robert Surenko writes:
> :>> It also takes faith to believe the Universe is as appears to the 5
> :>> senses.
> :> I don't.
> : Good, Materialist bore me.
> How interesting an explanation is has no bering whatsoever on
> whether or not it is true. The universe does not pander to
> our amusements.
My comments where not being used as a proof. I am bored by Materialist
because their phylosophy is so easily shown to be false.
Now a follower of scientifc positivism or a sophist... that's a
discussion.
--
=============================================================================
- Bob Surenko [EMAIL PROTECTED]
- http://www.fred.net/surenko/
=============================================================================
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Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows XP! Will it really be reliable?
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:33:26 GMT
"Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> 64 bits operating systems are extreme overkill
> 32 bits are underkill. 64 bits is the next logical step.
> 2x as wide bus, 2x as much data per clock cycle.
This is entirely incorrect. We've had 64bit data busses in PCs at
least since the introduction of the Pentium.
> IA64 runs IA32 code like a P100, so they really, really need a 64 bit
> OS in order to run at a decent speed.
This is also hogwash - a 64bit OS is probably slower. What you
probably mean is that they need to run native IA64 code, but that's
entirely orthogonal to bitness.
-kzm
--
If I haven't seen further, it is by standing in the footprints of giants
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From: "Mike" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:35:05 GMT
"Nigel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:8r_i6.2983$Cq.17701@news2-hme0...
> DOS (and windows console) can pipe the output of one command into the next
> (e.g. 'DIR |more' which pipes the output of DIR into the 'more' command)
> but unix can also pipe the output of one command into the commandline
> arguments of the next command - e.g. piping the output of the find command
> into the commandline arguments of the del command to delete all files with
> specified name anywhere on filesystem.
Wouldn't it be better in this case if the rm command had a -R (recurse
directories) switch (yeah, yeah, I know, but I mean one that works - with
the wildcards Nigel referred to)? In Windows, dir /s *.junk works, but
there's no equivalent switch for rm.
In your Unix example, you aren't really piping the output of find into the
command line arguments of rm, are you? Aren't you using xargs to pass them?
Conceptually, xargs is pretty simple: it takes whatever is piped in, and
then calls whatever you tell it to with all the piped stuff on the end of
the command line. Which is probably why I have xargs on my W2k system, and
it seems to work (but since dir and del both support /s, it gets little
use).
-- Mike --
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From: mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ReiserFS
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 07:50:11 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> mlw <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Well, I tried it. It is interesting, but no thanks. It seems slower than ext2
> > for most everything I do.
>
> Really? Thats very strange. In my own calculations, I've noticed that with
> reiserfs, my drives actually live up to their advertised throughput and seek
> times, while with ext2 they hit *maybe* 80% max.
>
> I have an ATA/66 and an ATA/100 interface, one HD on the 66, two on the 100.
>
> Whats your setup like?
Promise ATA66 card, 2.4.1 kernel, CONFIG_REISERFS_CHECK is NOT set, dual PIII.
It was slow deleting, and had a scary and anoying ability to lock up my machine
for half a second, periodically, under heavy load. (The mouse would even stop
moving!)
--
http://www.mohawksoft.com
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:46:24 +0000
In article <GG3j6.77818$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Mike"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:96dg8p$9hj$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > He is working on a Linux web server. He wants to do a global replace
>> > in VI. I tell him to use sed. He whines a bit, then tries it. I hear
>> > from
>>
>> The syntax is the same in vi and sed. IN vi, alll you need to do is
>> prepend a % or a 1,$ to the command.
>
> As long as something only occurs a maximum of once on each line, eh?
%s/blah/bloah/g
_^_
> I think you have a point, though, unless Mark's friend is taking
> advantage of more than just a global search and replace capability. The
> thing is, I know Mark knows how to do a global replace in vi, so I'm
> reasonably sure that he's doing something with sed that would be
> relatively painful in vi. Relative is a strange term here, though, since
> I have always found sed to be more painful than almost anything. Except
> maybe vi.
It is very easy to misuse sed. Sed is very, very good for somethings, but
it is not a general purpose langauge in a very big way. People often make
the mistake of writing something quickly in sed and then slowly trying to
extend it beyone sed's capabilities. Sed, if used properly is very quick
and very painless.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: The Windows guy.
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:48:48 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Edward Rosten wrote:
>>
>> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Tim Hanson"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> > Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Edward Rosten wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > He's talking non-interactive. With an interactive editor like
>> >> > > Notepad or vi, one must manually open the file into the text
>> >> > > buffer and do
>> >> >
>> >> > Vi can do noninteractive stuff. Wirte a script for the ex abck end
>> >> > and execute that, just like ed scripts, but better.
>> >> >
>> >> > -Ed
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> "Ed is the one true editor...."
>> >>
>> >
>> > Ed??!? You use ed? What a wimp! Anything above DEBUG is a waste of
>> > resources. It's a little hard to duplicate graphics in hex,
>> > though...
>> > :-)
>>
>> Pfeh! When I *really* want to get something done, I use cat.
>>
>> -ed
>>
>
> Sorry for the delay in responding. One of the LEDs above my front panel
> switches is acting up. I get distracted and lose my place in the file.
I recently invested in a Teletype. My paper bills have gone through the
roof, but I can now use line orientated tools such as ed, rather than
having to rely on the 1 byte at a time leds on the front.
I really think that these teletypes will be the next big thing.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux 64 bit and Windows 32 bit
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:55:05 +0000
> It seems unlikely that the Itanium code can be called finished until the
> chip ships.
In case you hadn't noticed, the Itanium is shipping now, in HP computers.
MS somehow coerced intel in to not releasing it for lower end stuff until
MS were finished.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.sys.mac.advocacy,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.unix.advocacy,soc.singles
Subject: Re: KULKIS IS A MISERABLE PIECE OF SHIT
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 12:58:42 +0000
>>>>>>> Aaron R. Kulkis writes:
>
>>>>>>>> Tholen, David
>>>>>>>> 1505 Alexander St,
>>>>>>>> Honolulu, HI 96822-4978
>>>>>>>> (808)941-3552
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Tholen, David Alexander St Apt 406, Honolulu, HI
>>>>>>>> 96822
>
>>>>>>> Of what relevance is that, Kulkis?
>
>>>>>> Is this correct (even if it is not relavent)?
>
>>>>> What difference would it make?
>
>>>> To what?
>
>>> More like "to whom", given that you're the one asking the question. Or
>>> do you consider yourself a "what"?
>
>> It would go some way towards demonstrating Kulkis' credibility if it
>> were true.
>
> The issue is not Kulkis' credibility at the moment, but rather the
> relevance of his posting.
Where did you get that idea? My question was not about the relevance of
Kulkis' post, but about its accuracy. Whether relavent or not, is Kulkis'
post accurate? (This has now become a question of his cerdibility).
>>>>> My question is about the relevance, not
>
>>>> So?
>
>>> Precisely. What difference would it make?
>
>> To what or to whom?
>
> More like "to whom", given that you're the one asking the question. Or
> do you consider yourself a "what"?
I am both an object and a person, so either will do. So, to what or whom
would this post make a difference to?
>>>>> the correctness. I could also ask about the redundancy.
>
>>>> Is it correct (relavence aside)?
>
>>> What difference would it make?
>
>> To what or to whom?
>
> More like "to whom", given that you're the one asking the question. Or
> do you consider yourself a "what"?
This part should be ended here for the sake of berivity.
-Ed
--
Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Interesting article
From: Ketil Z Malde <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:00:08 GMT
"Chad Myers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> No, really, what has changed dramatically in Unix in the
> last 10 years?
Lots.
> We still use telnet
Only if you're really backwards. It's called ssh these days.
> We still use crappy old XWindows
Which ensures 10 year old programs still run, but with a bunch of new
additions, like OpenGL, Xv, Render, and what have you.
> Unix still has the brain-dead permission bits security.
Which are simple to use, and makes it very easy to get a quick
overview over permissions in a directory. And gives you functionality
like setgid, setuid and sticky. Of course, if you need them, you can
use ACLs on most if not every Unix, but most people prefer to do
without.
> Even though many Unix vendors have implemented DAC, many
> people still insist on using permission bits.
DAC?
> Nothing's really changed.
Perhaps you should get out more?
-kzm
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Charlie Ebert)
Subject: Re: "Linux is Going Down" says Microsoft
Reply-To: Charlie Ebert:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:03:04 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Aaron Kulkis wrote:
>
>
>Bloody Viking wrote:
>>
>> Charlie Ebert ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>>
>> : And my verdict: YES, Microsoft is dead.
>>
>> Not quite yet, but it is in its death throes.
>
>"I'm getting better"
>
Look. Could you help us out here?
{*****CLUB!!!!******}
That will be 5 pencey
>
>>
>> --
>> FOOD FOR THOUGHT: 100 calories are used up in the course of a mile run.
>> The USDA guidelines for dietary fibre is equal to one ounce of sawdust.
>> The liver makes the vast majority of the cholesterol in your bloodstream.
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>
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Charlie
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:03:48 +0000
In article <96htv9$t2u$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Bloody Viking"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> petilon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>
> : After killing innovation in the web browser market by distributing
> : IE for free, Microsoft is now calling Linux a "threat to innovation"
> : because it is being distributed for free.
>
> And don't forget the bit with calling the GNU movement fascist.
>
> namecall -black <pot >kettle
namecall --black ...
if it was GNU ware
|-)
-Ed
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- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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From: "Edward Rosten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Microsoft seeks government help to stop Linux
Date: Fri, 16 Feb 2001 13:05:06 +0000
> Wrapping himself in the American flag, Microsoft's Allchin says: ''I'm
> an American, I believe in the American Way,'' he said. ''I worry if the
> government encourages open source, and I don't think we've done enough
> education of policy makers to understand the threat.''
>
> What in the WORLD is that supposed to mean?
>
> SOMEONE NEEDS TO WATCH VERY CLOSELY THAT THIS "EDUCATION" DOES NOT COME
> IN THE FORM OF MASSIVE POLITICAL DONATIONS.
I believe that `political re-education' is quite common in dictatorships
-Ed
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Did you know that the reason that windows steam up in cold|Edward Rosten
weather is because of all the fish in the atmosphere? |u98ejr
- The Hackenthorpe Book of lies |@
|eng.ox.ac.uk
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