Linux-Advocacy Digest #267, Volume #31 Fri, 5 Jan 01 10:13:03 EST
Contents:
Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red Hat dead/dying? (John A. Stewart)
Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux (Andres Soolo)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Profitability of Linux being a challenge
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 09:58:59 -0500
* wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> > * wrote:
> >
> > > i would rather be naive then pointlessly dwelling on some decade old delusional
> > > waxing by a guy i don't care anything about.
> >
> > Apparently you are also unaware of the observation:
> >
> > "What is necessary for evil men to succeed is for good men to do nothing"
> >
> > By remaining ignorant and doing nothing, you are assisting evil.
> >
> > Complacency in the face of crime is abetting the crime.
>
> what's interesting about this, is that of all the crimes going on in the world
> today, you choose to throw your laughable resources into exposing the tyrannies of a
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> man, who, it seems, is doing a fine job of just that all by himself.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
So, you now admit that yes, Bill Gates is commiting crime on a massive scale.
>
> so even though you see yourself as some kind of whistle-blowing champion of geeks
> everywhere, you're still accountable, according to you, for being quiet about
> countless other documented though unresolved conflicts going on in the world,
> perpetrated by 'evil men'
When I see something wrong, I speak up. However, I'm not omniscient.
You have a problem with that?
>
> what's even more interesting is that even though you unix geeks like drawing
> parallels between gates and hitler, and an early 90's interview that you are
Hitler wanted to take over the economy of Europe.
Gates stated that he wanted to take over the economy of the world.
Draw your own conclusions.
> obviously alluding to mein kampf, you are still talking about the worlds greatest
> humanitarian.
Holocaust deniars have long lists of (true) "humanitarian gestures" by
Hitler.
For example, Hitler gave all the wealth and property that was stolen from
Jews to impoverished Germans.
Similarly, Gates gives a miniscule amount of his ill-gotten gains to
universities and a handful of charities.
So, by that logic, bank robbers should go free if they can produce a
cancelled check to some charity or another.
Please enlighten us about your views that extortion and theft are OK
as long as you give a percentage to charity.
>
> personally i see gates as something of a modern-day rockafeller.
> only he made a lot more people wealthy besides himself.
Apparently, you are UN-fucking-AWARE that Rockefeller's Standard Oil
was convicted of the SAME CRIMES as Microsoft.
so, let me detail that out for you
Personally, I see Gates as something of a modern-day (CRIMINAL) Rockefeller.
Oh, by the way, the (criminal) Rockefeller ALSO made a lot of other
people wealthy besides himself.
Once again, are you arguing that some ill-defined benefit (making some
people rich) justifies the means (violating the rights of other people)?
>
> > > in other words, i would rather. not. be. you.
> >
> > This is why you fail.
>
> well i guess there's no arguing with that bit of logic. ehh.
No, there isn't.
>
> y'r pal -kK
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John A. Stewart)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Red Hat dead/dying?
Date: 5 Jan 2001 14:58:51 GMT
In <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Donn Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>James Hutchins wrote:
>>
>> http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,40513,00.html
>Typical business downsizing. I've always maintained that the best jobs
>were with universities doing research. At CMU (Carnegie Mellon
>University) in Pittsburgh, certain staff/research positions involving
>hacking on the Linux kernel, and getting paid to do it. That would be a
>decent job to have, seeing as to how a lot of people do hacking on the
>Linux kernel in their free time. I think universities should be doing a
>lot more of this. I say this because Berkeley produced a fine unix
>distribution like this, and I don't see why the trend couldn't
>continue. I'm not saying run the colleges' budgets dry developing
>Linux, BSD or whatever. Rather, unix open source development should be
>fit in where ever possible. The result is that they would get a return
>on their own research, that is, a great operating system for free.
When I started working in the Academic Support Group at Carleton University
almost 20 years ago, we were able to spend a considerable portion of our
time on software development and research type work. Since then we've
gone from having a single mainframe computer on campus, to having thousands
of networked desktop and server machines. Demand for service has
exploded -- from perhaps 10% of the university community using computing
facilities to close to 100%. The net result is that we have difficulty
maintaining a basic service level even though there are more staff
involved in computer support than ever before. I don't know of anyone
on campus nowadays who has time to do any significant amount of software
development. I think you'll find the same story at just about any other
university except perhaps the wealthiest ones such as Stanford.
--
John Stewart -- Computing and Communications Services, Carleton University
Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 613-520-2600x3707
"you are incompetent bloodlusting idiot pirates. -- CCS student feedback"
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt,comp.os.ms-windows,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy
Subject: Re: Windows 2000 sucks compared to linux
Date: 5 Jan 2001 15:01:30 GMT
In comp.os.linux.advocacy Charlie Ebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> you the future. Toyota is the largest car company in the world.
> They didn't get that way by being idiots...
Be careful with that one. Someone could say Microsoft is the largest
OS company in the world, with all the implications.
> Will you just wait for the price of windows to climb so high
> you can't afford it anymore? Will this be your rallying cry
> to finally learn Linux so you can keep going?
They'll just become elitists :-)
> This is what you will be facing in just 3 months time.
> I just saw a risc based PDA for $147 also!
Who makes it? There's a good chance I might need a PDA soon, and I'd
hate getting one with non-free software.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Croll's Query:
If tin whistles are made of tin, what are foghorns made of?
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:05:16 -0500
Stephen Cornell wrote:
>
> > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > Also, the US is the ONLY country that has properly designed electrical
> > > > equipment. Here, the two poles of an electric plug are NOT
> > > interchangeable.
>
> > kiwiunixman wrote:
> > >
> > > Bullshit, been outside America lately, our (NZ and AUS) plugs are like so:
> >
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > Actually, yeah, i've been a few places around Europe, Saudi Arabia (and
> > neighboring countries), and parts of Russia.
> >
> > They all use the two round-prong plugs that have no polarity.
>
> Ever been to the UK? All plugs are 3-prong and contain a fuse.
Not in my hotel rooms.
> Moreover, the `live' holes in the socket are inaccessible unless a
> prong is inserted into the earth socket; what happens in the US if a
> toddler decides to play with a pin?
That's true...it is a deficiency.
What I was talking about was that wherever I have been in Europe (including
the UK), every electrical device I saw used an un-polarized two-prong
plug, which, according to my understanding of electricity (as taught to
me at Purdue University), is a shock hazard.
>
> You may argue that this system is too cumbersome, but it's certainly
> safer than the American system.
Actuall, each system has benefits, and each has deficiencies.
UK needs to make it so that even non-grounded two-prong plugs are polarized.
Conversely, the US needs to adopt sockets that only expose the electrical
contacts when a proper electrical plug is inserted (too keep small childrens'
fingers from getting zapped---in the mean time, i think I'll work up a a
device with a limiting resistor to allow a small child to safely get a
"feel" for what it's like to poke things into an electric outlet.
>
> I'm not interested in promoting the UK as the Best of All Possible
> Worlds (quite the opposite) - I just thought I'd point out your
> ignorance.
The only thing needed to cure ignorance is factual information.
Thanks for giving it to me.
>
> --
> Stephen Cornell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tel/fax +44-1223-336644
> University of Cambridge, Zoology Department, Downing Street, CAMBRIDGE CB2 3EJ
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:06:56 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said JSPL in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 1 Jan 2001 13:37:16 -0500;
> > >"Bob Hauck" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> On Mon, 01 Jan 2001 01:28:58 GMT, Chad Myers
> > >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >>
> > >> >> No, you claimed that the Democrats were trying to "subvert the rule of
> > >> >> law."
> > >> >
> > >> >Which they were. You didn't even answer the claims, instead stooping to
> > >> >name calling.
> > >>
> > >> How is going to court "subverting" the rule of law? I've always been
> > >> under the impression that you went to court to get an interpretation of
> > >> the law, not to subvert it. Subverting would involve something
> > >> extra-legal, such as paying off the people counting the ballots or
> > >> voting on behalf of dead people.
> > >>
> > >> Maybe I missed a civics lesson someplace where they defined lawsuits as
> > >> "subversion".
> > >
> > >Well lets see, a law on the books in Florida stated that the the Secretary
> > >of State SHALL certify the results by a certain date. The Florida Supreme
> > >court issued an order stating that the Secretary of State SHALL NOT certify
> > >by that date. I'd call that "subverting" the existing law, not
> > >"interpreting" it.
> >
> > Thus supporting the theory that Republicans are simply wrapping
> > themselves in the flag, and claiming that any Democratic action
> > whatsoever was "subverting" the law.
>
> Max, open your eyes, seriously. The FL Supreme Court overstepped
> it's bounds TWICE and became activists and started writing laws on
> the fly. This was proven TWICE in the U.S. Supreme Court. The first
> time, the FL Supreme Court completely, and wholly ignored the
> original U.S. Supreme Court's vacation, and went renegade and did
> the same thing AGAIN for a SECOND time in a row. Justice O'Connor
> even pointed this out in the second and final court decision. She
> noted how she was troubled by the gross lack of respect the FL
> Supreme Court showed towards the High Court. Under different circumstances,
> they would've been asked to resign for something as serious as that.
>
> To say that the Republicans are just "wrapping themselves in the flag"
> over this is wholly ignorant and just goes to show that you have no
> grasp on the severity of the situation that occurred in Florida.
>
> If you took some time to sit down and read the facts, we wouldn't
> be having this argument.
Leftists are all "ends (getting socialists into power) justify the means" types
>
> -Chad
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Fri, 05 Jan 2001 10:09:05 -0500
Chad Myers wrote:
>
> It's known that modern Democrats play on peoples fears.
> ("Our children will starve!" [school lunch program],
> "Republicans hate black people!" [affirmative action], etc)
>
> Democrats also play people off of other people. The classic
> Bill Clinton maneuver is to send his pundits out to get one
> group of people riled up about something, and then get another
> group riled up about the same thing. They conflict and there
> are tensions, and magically, Clinton steps in with the solution:
> more government and more taxes. This actually isn't just a Clinton
> thing, the Democrats have been doing it for years.
>
> They have fundamental belief that all of Americas problems can
> be solved by more government. They also believe that Americans
They believe no such thing. They have a fundamental belief that
the amassing more POWER is solved by more government.
Inventing "problems" is merely their technique for making
the government bigger.
> are stupid, and cannot provide for themselves or solve their
> own problems. Welfare is a prime example. Welfare is now not just
> a stepping stone, like it should be, it's a way of life for over
> 20 million Americans and growing rapidly every day. Affirmative
> Action is another example. Democrats try as hard as they can to
> divide people into groups, rather than just recognizing them as
> Americans. Conservatives don't like AA because it doesn't let
> people be people, it forces people to be "black" or "hispanic"
> rather than just being the right person for the job.
>
> I'm not arguing that there isn't racism, I'm just saying that AA
> is the worst way to go about it. It's ironic that the ACLU and
> many liberals are against racial profiling by the Police, but
> then do it every day in their workplace.
>
> As for poverty, the Democrats create an environment where people
> have no choice but to go on welfare or some other social program.
> They no longer have to provide for themselves because they know
> that there's always a safety net. They get lazy, eventually they're
> wholly dependent on the Government for sustenance, house, and
> money.
>
> Democrats implement policies and are heading down a road to where
> as many people are dependent upon the Government as possible. This
> gives greater control and allows them to perpetrate these fear
> tactics to ensure votes. These dependent citizens will surely
> vote for Democrats because, "those evil Republicans are going to
> take the nipple of Government away from me!"
>
> -Chad
>
> "Johan Kullstam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > Isn't it interesting.... Democrats in control ==> Poverty.
> >
> > or perhaps it's the other way around and poverty ==> democrats.
> >
> > or maybe there's a 3rd unknown cause of both poverty and having
> > democrats in control.
> >
> > or maybe there is no connection and it just happened randomly.
> >
> > a very interesting site.
> > <URL:http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/toc.htm>
> >
> > take a look at the "causal fallacies".
> >
> > is aaron correct? is it post hoc? is it joint effect or wrong
> > direction? my bet is on the complex cause. what do you think?
> >
> > --
> > J o h a n K u l l s t a m
> > [[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> > Don't Fear the Penguin!
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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