Linux-Advocacy Digest #292, Volume #31            Sat, 6 Jan 01 07:13:02 EST

Contents:
  Re: Why Hatred? (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Why Hatred? (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Why Hatred? (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Linux, it is great. (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Linux is awful (Pete Goodwin)
  Re: Why Hatred? (Form@C)
  Re: Why Hatred? ("Tom Wilson")
  Re: Uptimes ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Red hat becoming illegal? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Why NT? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com (Giuliano 
Colla)
  Re: hey everyone look! A movie about Linux! ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com (Giuliano 
Colla)
  Re: .NET and Microsoft Anti-Piracy (was: Re: The 2.4.0 kernel was   ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")

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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:24:36 +0000

T. Max Devlin wrote:

> >Then let me see... what happens if I use the same level of hyperbole? Do
> >I get a reasonable conversation? Do I hell! You want your cake and eat it
> >too!
> 
> Yes, you do, though I would expect that your estimation of "the same
> level of hyperbole" is probably incredibly skewed, owing to your need to
> excuse One Microsoft Way from all fault or difficulties.

There you go again. You bring your favourite subject into everything you 
say.

When I use hyperbole, I get yelled and insulted with terms like "shithead". 
Is that what you call skewed by my need to excuse One Microsoft way from 
all fault or difficulties?

> >"Shithead" is hardly subjective.
> 
> No, but whether it is taken as an insult is subjective.  As well as
> whether it is deserved.

So, I should interpret "shithead" as a compliment? 

8)

If someone uses insulting terms, then it's an insult. Why are you trying to 
twist that?

> >I realise how prone Windows is to crashing (as I've often said). But as
> >for Windows 2000, I don't know the answer there yet.
> 
> An argument from ignorance.  Extrapolate a little.  Its better than NT,
> but not anywhere near as reliable as Unix.  We know that much.  Within
> that range, I don't think anyone really cares what you claim.  So long
> as you're not foolish enough to claim, without empirical support, that
> it is stable.

I have no idea if it is anywhere near as reliable as UNIX. For all I know 
it could be more reliable. Only time will tell.

How do you know if it is not as reliable as UNIX?

> That you're paying attention to the wrong things.

I'm paying attention to the things I care about. Or should what I care 
about be ignored by everyone else?

> Most of the time, I'm afraid its the same thing.

I see.

-- 
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:29:18 +0000

T. Max Devlin wrote:

> Check the newsgroup name, and consider that nobody much cares about your
> opinion, as you've proven to be a soft-headed Microsoft apologist who
> doesn't have either the reason or the capability to make such judgements
> with any degree of credibility.

Then that's it as far as I can see. I'm talking to a brick wall. There no 
sense in continuing a conversation on those terms.

> Then Microsoft stands convicted of a felony; the only thing that can be
> "thrown out" at this point is the appeal.

And what has been the effect of this conviction so far? Has Microsoft 
changed it ways as yet? There has been some softening but it looks as 
though "Carry on sa before" is the Microsoft way. If politics takes over, 
this felony may get squashed and we may see a reversal.

> Then why was it all you addressed or seem concerned about in the post
> under discussion?

Read my replies.

BTW, bye for now. I don't plan to respond to you any more. You have made it 
clear you are incapable of a reasonable discussion. I would killfile you 
but KNode doesn't have that feature.

-- 
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:32:50 +0000

Tom Wilson wrote:

> You obviously don't do much in the way of Windows development.

Six years with Visual C++
Four years Delphi.

And now writing audio device drivers with WDM.

Obviously not enough.

> Their API is a mess..

And so was OpenVMS. You tried working with $DESCRIPTOR with C?

> Their attempt to wrap it into C++ classes, MFC, is even worse.

MFC works well enough, if you like the straight jacket they apply to 
applications. Some of the general purpose stuff ain't that bad.

-- 
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux, it is great.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:36:13 +0000

Jim Richardson wrote:

> >> So you wouldn't mind if I put a camera in your bathroom and taping it
> >> all? I know I would't mind watching the tapes...
> >
> >That's a particularly bad example. Why would anyone want to watch me do
> >the usual things in a bathroom?
> 
> The question wasn't why would someone want to, the question was, would you
> object to it?

OK, I'll answer what I see as a dumb question: Yes, of course I'll object 
to someone watching me in the bathroom!

What that a surprise?

-- 
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


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From: Pete Goodwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is awful
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:38:58 +0000

Colin R. Day wrote:

> > Oh, and on the subject of GUIs, why do the pop-ups on most Linux GUI
> > software assume that the user's screen resolution is at least 1024x768
> > (and sometimes even greater than that)? Don't Linux/unix users ever use
> > the standard, basic 640x480 graphics mode? Are the applications too dim
> > to ask
> 
> And what is standard about 640x480? Or is just standard because Microsoft
> says it's standard?

I thought the 640x480 screensize was fading as more and more PC's support 
1024x768 nowadays.

Still, bring back the 1280x1024 screen... though I'm not sure my desk would 
support the weight... or my bank balance the cost if it was an LCD version 
8).

-- 
Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2


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Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Form@C)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 10:43:39 GMT

T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in

<snip>
>engine, if that is your desire.  You don't see the auto manufacturer's
>changing the specifications of their cars routinely in order to
>discourage such behavior, though it wouldn't entirely surprise me if
>certain professional mechanics might think that would be a good thing.
>

Not too sure about this... When did you last try to buy a wing mirror or 
rear lamp lens? Why do they change the shape, size and fixings when they 
only needed to change the surround to accomodate an existing part? Could it 
be that "clone" parts are becoming available?

Why are the settings within the engine management controller only 
accessible by their own particular dealers? Could it be that they are quite 
simply hiding their engine design specifications from other developers? 

Looks to me as if they are protecting their own investment in a mighty 
anti-competitive way here! <stir-stir grin>


-- 
Mick
Olde Nascom Computers - http://www.mixtel.co.uk

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From: "Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why Hatred?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:19:52 GMT


"Pete Goodwin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:ltC56.14672$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Tom Wilson wrote:
>
> > You obviously don't do much in the way of Windows development.
>
> Six years with Visual C++
> Four years Delphi.
>
> And now writing audio device drivers with WDM.
>
> Obviously not enough.

So many people post here that aren't what they seem.You run into a lot of
wannabes around here. If the above is true, I humbly apologise.

>
> > Their API is a mess..
>
> And so was OpenVMS. You tried working with $DESCRIPTOR with C?

No, but I've heard some horror stories regarding it from those who've had
the opportunity. My only programming forray into VMS-land was with RPG-II
and COBOL - Maintaining some simple payroll stuff.

I hate both languages passionately, BTW.

>
> > Their attempt to wrap it into C++ classes, MFC, is even worse.
>
> MFC works well enough, if you like the straight jacket they apply to
> applications. Some of the general purpose stuff ain't that bad.

I resorted to wrapping the API into classes myself because the
"straitjacket" among other reasons. Some of the more arcane areas, which I
unfortunately had to deal with, are incompletely or inaccurately documented.
Cross-platform inconsistancies are a big problem (An API issue, really.).
There seems to be a great deal of memory leakage too. (And I'm not talking
about CString, either. Picking on it would be far too easy <g>)

Overall, it appears to have been grudgingly written by C programmers and not
C++ ones. At least that's the impression I get when going over the source
code. (Sloppy is being kind)

The shop I hack for now has officially been declared an MFC-free zone. Now
if we could figure out a way to rid ourselves of the WTL...<g>


--
Tom Wilson
Sunbelt Software Solutions




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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:27:27 -0500

Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
> 
> "T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Fri, 5 Jan 2001
> > >"T. Max Devlin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> Said Erik Funkenbusch in comp.os.linux.advocacy on Thu, 4 Jan 2001 \
> > >> >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > >> >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > >> >> > A> An NT server would reboot automatically if BSOD and resume
> > >operation
> > >> >> > within minutes.
> > >> >> > B> If it doesn't, and you know *nothing* about NT, you turn to
> > >> >Google.com
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Well that's all well and good - but from what I hear, nt
> > >> >> gets itself into a state where it cannot boot again without
> > >> >> manual intervention.
> > >> >
> > >> >Where did you hear that?  The only reason that would happen is if the
> > >drive
> > >> >crashed or there was some other hardare failure that prevented
> booting.
> > >>
> > >> Bullshit.  NT servers notoriously 'latch' at 100% CPU utilization.
> > >> Always a driver's or an application's fault, of course.  Must be
> because
> > >> its such a popular product, right?
> > >
> > >What are you talking about?  "notoriously" latching at 100% CPU at
> bootup?
> > >I've never seen this, ever.
> >
> > You've never looked.  Are you a 'corporate officer', or are you a system
> > administrator?  Anyone working with NT boxes generally recognizes the
> > behavior.  But we all know how lucky you get with Microsoft products....
> 
> First of all, how would you know if it was "latched" at 100% CPU during the
> reboot?  There would be no way to tell.
> 
> Second of all, I'm a programming consultant, that also does administration
> in some situations and am a corporate officer for 2 startup companies (CTO
> to be specific).

God help the stockholders....

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Red hat becoming illegal?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:30:56 -0500

Jim Richardson wrote:
> 
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 00:22:56 -0500,
>  Aaron R. Kulkis, in the persona of <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  brought forth the following words...:
> 
> >Steve Mading wrote:
> >>
> >> In comp.os.linux.advocacy John W. Stevens <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> : What's funny about that?  Nobody can be responsible for what
> >> : other people send them . . .
> >>
> >> You have just demonstrated yourself to be smarter than a large number
> >> of corporate IT policy writers.
> >
> >Tell me about it.  I know somebody in a serious legal situation
> >because of what was sent to him....
> >
> 
> Yeah, you want to get someone in real trouble? send him some (illegal in the
> US) porn from out of the country...

That's precisely what happened to him...


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: linux does NOT suck (oh yes it does)
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:33:33 -0500

Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> 
> I call it revolutionary.  Bite me.

I'd call it "destined for Quixotic failure"

> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm sorry, your sarcasm is lost on me.  To me, this sounds like a good
> idea.
> >
> > You really are in junior high school, aren't you.
> >
> > Anybody who would trust "artificial intelligence" to reconfigure their
> > system deserves whatever fucking disaster ensues.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > > "Roberto Alsina" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > news:935547$vsp$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > > In article <QWb56.146542$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > > >   "Kyle Jacobs" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Listen, there IS a technology called "pattern detection" which works
> on
> > > Word
> > > > > macro viruses (to detect "suspect" patterns).
> > > > >
> > > > > Why can't pattern and behavior recognition be instituted into an
> > > intelligent
> > > > > recognition system to recognize the interdependencies, and MODIFY
> the
> > > > > previous configuration strings accordingly?
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm thinking an XML system meets heuristics detection from AV.
> > > >
> > > > Ok, sure. Now "using XML we can make a tool to configure everything
> > > > easily" becomes "let's write an AI system so that our universal
> > > > XML-based config tool doesn't destruct the system".
> > > >
> > > > All nice and userfriendly, that.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Roberto Alsina
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Sent via Deja.com
> > > > http://www.deja.com/
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
> >
> >
-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:37:02 -0500

JAR wrote:
> 
> mlw wrote:
> 
> >With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
> >why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
> >
> >I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
> >deploy NT.
> 
> Choose a typical box today,  or one from a couple years ago… any box.
> Not talking expensive hardware here.  Now calculate the amount of
> effort to Configure, Maintain and Install the OS.  Duplicate that by
> 10,50,100+ …. That's why NT was/still is the choice. The name of the
> game is just how EZ is it?  By far NT is.  Also who you gonna
> call/blame when all hell breaks loose, when it really matters?

That's just it....all hell breaking loose.

With NT, it's a monthy occurance...on nearly EVERY machine.

meanwhile on Unix/Linux machines, a machine will go full DECADE without
"all hell breaking loose" ...which is to say...longer than it's usuful
lifetime.


> 
> Only those with much experience are willing to bet on one of the free
> X's for any given solution.    As for as the non-free UNIX's, you
> better have money to burn.
> 
> JAR


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:38:24 GMT

"Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> 
> Giuliano Colla wrote:
> >
> > LShaping wrote:
> > >
> > > I would comment, but seeing that the message was posted to pro and
> > > anti Microsoft discussion groups, the post is obviously a troll.
> > > LShaping
> >
> > You may get your T-shirt at:
> >
> > http://www.microsoft.com/freedomtoinnovate/
> >
> > (If you don't fear the ridicule, of course)
> 
> I wrote them a letter calling them a bunch of crooks.
> 

IMO you lost your time. They already know, but do not care.

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: hey everyone look! A movie about Linux!
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:38:39 -0500

jtnews wrote:
> 
> http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1005-201-4384756-0.html?tag=st.ne.1002.bgif.sf
> 
> Has Hollywood gone insane?

Gates probably tried his usual arm-twisting tactics on some studio....

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: Giuliano Colla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 11:50:09 GMT

Nigel Feltham wrote:
> 
> >Does it have a bull's-eye on it?
> >
> 
> No - Just Bullshit.

Well, I'm not American, so Stars and Stripes mean a lot less
for me.
But to see a T-shirt supporting dirty MS business wearing a
parody of the American flag, with a PC screen in place of
the stars, made me really indignant.
If you think to the millions of men which have died for that
flag, rightfully or misguided doesn't matter, exploiting it
for a campaign to cheat customers and avoid competition is
really shameful!

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: .NET and Microsoft Anti-Piracy (was: Re: The 2.4.0 kernel was  
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:53:49 -0500

kiwiunixman wrote:
> 
> In New Zealand there IS a culture of hating large companies esp. Microsoft!
> jump on any talk back station, and you hear the presenter bitch because his
> bloody computer keeps crashing!  Microsoft has NO supporters in New Zealand!
> 

Yay Kiwi-land.

> kiwiunixman
> 
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > Adam Warner wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi ".",
> > >
> > > > Pffft, a dozen and a half warez-groups have been writing key-gens for
> > > > exactly this sort of anti-piracy measure (which originated through
> > > > the first generation Psygnosis in the time of the Amiga-anyone
> remember
> > > > that?) for at least 10 years.
> > > >
> > > > Go microsoft.  Way to innovate.
> > >
> > > Maybe you haven't fully thought through the implications of an operating
> > > system tied into .NET.
> > >
> > > (Below is speculation)
> > >
> > > Point 1: No-one has created key gens for Office 2000 or Windows 2000.
> There
> > > will be no keygens for Whistler either.
> > >
> > > Point 2: Microsoft could create a combined licence code at installation
> time
> > > based upon your licence code and your specific hardware.
> > >
> > > Point 3: Your licence code and your combined licence code could be your
> > > ticket to .NET services. Microsoft would have all legitimate license
> codes
> > > in a central database and compare against those. Microsoft could also
> check
> > > that the combined licence code is still the same as when you first
> > > registered for .NET services. If that combined licence code changed you
> > > would have to purchase another hardware licence for the same original OS
> > > license.
> > >
> > > Maybe Microsoft won't do this. But such a plan would be virtually
> fullproof.
> > >
> > > I am relucant to even call this anti-pirary because the measures would
> be
> > > designed to stop you installing the OS on a different (updated?
> upgraded?)
> > > computer even if you removed the software from the prior computer.
> > >
> >
> > And Americans, being the sheep that they have become,
> > will bend over and take it from Bill like they always do...
> > :-(
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Adam
> >
> >
> > --
> > Aaron R. Kulkis
> > Unix Systems Engineer
> > DNRC Minister of all I survey
> > ICQ # 3056642
-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.fan.bill-gates,alt.destroy.microsoft,alt.microsoft.sucks
Subject: Re: Big government and big business: why not fear both - www.ezboard.com
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 06:57:09 -0500

Tom Wilson wrote:
> 
>  > Worst of all, they *lock* you into Microsoft.
>  > I wonder where the idea for WinModems came?
> >
> 
> A scheme to reduce hardware costs by using software to provide error
> correction and data compression.
> 

Then why were the drivers provided *ONLY* for LoseDOS?

Why was it not called "cheaperModem" or something like that
(you know...something that ties it to lower cost, not M$ Lose__ products.

> --
> Tom Wilson
> Sunbelt Software Solutions


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642


H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.

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