Linux-Advocacy Digest #305, Volume #31 Sat, 6 Jan 01 18:13:07 EST
Contents:
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Vann")
Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!! ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Vann")
Re: Uptimes (Alan Boyd)
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why NT? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Why NT? ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED.... (Andres Soolo)
Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!! (genkai wa doko da)
Re: Need help with NT ("Erik Funkenbusch")
Re: ATA RIPOFF! ALERT! (Andres Soolo)
Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: Need help with NT ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: rt18139.c (MH)
Looking for medical clinic software ("Mac")
Re: Red Hat dead/dying? ("kiwiunixman")
Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!! (Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?=)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. ("kiwiunixman")
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From: "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:16:47 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
<snip>
I have a great solution for you. If you don't like Linux, don't use it.
My, wasn't that hard?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Typical Linsux..They can't even view their own movie!!!
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:18:45 GMT
Take a look at the MGM website but make sure you are not running
Linsux when you do it because the movie clips are QuickTime format and
once again Penguinista's, you lose...
http://www.antitrustthemovie.com/downloads_trailer.html
Don't try this one on Linsux kiddies :)
Hysterical!!!!!!
When oh when will these LinoScrews ever get anything right?
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:22:25 GMT
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jure Sah"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
<snip>
> Say how do you connect to network from linux? Something like: "Jhwers
> -tr fj3h42 -ij fsd76234h +dc -u 748738967 -E fdgbazidurks Éôë¤" ?! Yuck!
> Even DOS command lines looked a lot better than that!
>
> Sure linux is stable; Only because the user can never get to all the
> advanced programs that control anything important!
To you first question, I do this:
kppp -c tm.net
And it dials, just like magic. Of course, I have a menu item to do it for me,
so I don't have to type it in every time. And kppp is no worse than
Windows DUN, either.
To your second question, what do you consider important? I can add or
remove kernel modules with modprobe, insmod, and rmmod, which is an
important task. Or perhaps you meant typing a document or spreadsheet?
There's plenty of perfectly good word processors and spreadsheet apps out
there. I use AbiWord for typing, or KWord, and KSpreadsheet or GNUmeric
for spreadsheets. I guess if you have trouble wading through all that
GUI-ness, you'd think those to be complicated too.
By the way, as I say to everyone who doesn't like linux:
If you don't like linux, don't use it. It's really that simple.
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From: Alan Boyd <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Uptimes
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 16:23:29 -0600
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > > > I know that this is strong medicine for someone like yourself,
> > > > and you may choose to disbelive it. If I find the spare time I
> > > > will see if I can locate an online reference.
> > >
> > > You made the claim. Back it up.
> >
> > my aren't we paranoid.
>
> You make a claim that nobody else seems to be able to corroborate, and then
> refuse to back it up. That's not paranoia, that's plain common sense.
OK, I'll back him up. I saw that article too.
In fact...look here:
http://www.zdnet.com/sp/stories/issue/0,4537,2387282,00.html
Conventional wisdom says Linux is incredibly stable.
Always skeptical, we decided to put that claim to the
test over a 10-month period. In our test, we ran Caldera
Systems OpenLinux, Red Hat Linux, and Windows NT
Server 4.0 with Service Pack 3 on duplicate 100MHz
Pentium systems with 64MB of memory. Ever since we
first booted up our test systems in January, network
requests have been sent to each server in parallel for
standard Internet, file and print services. The results
were quite revealing. Our NT server crashed an average
of once every six weeks. Each failure took roughly 30
minutes to fix. That's not so bad, until you consider that
neither Linux server ever went down. This test, coupled
with our technical staff's extensive Linux and NT
experience, leads us to believe that Linux truly is more
stable than NT on uniprocessor servers.
--
"I don't believe in anti-anything. A man has to have a
program; you have to be *for* something, otherwise you
will never get anywhere." -- Harry S Truman
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:27:12 GMT
On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:22:25 GMT, "Vann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Jure Sah"
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
><snip>
>> Say how do you connect to network from linux? Something like: "Jhwers
>> -tr fj3h42 -ij fsd76234h +dc -u 748738967 -E fdgbazidurks Éôë¤" ?! Yuck!
>> Even DOS command lines looked a lot better than that!
>>
>> Sure linux is stable; Only because the user can never get to all the
>> advanced programs that control anything important!
>To you first question, I do this:
>kppp -c tm.net
>And it dials, just like magic. Of course, I have a menu item to do it for me,
>so I don't have to type it in every time. And kppp is no worse than
>Windows DUN, either.
And how do you make it (kppp) dial on demand like Windows 2000 can do
by checking a box?
What is the point of having ICS under Mandrake if you have to run to
the Gateway box everytime a user on the network wants to dial out?
>By the way, as I say to everyone who doesn't like linux:
>If you don't like linux, don't use it. It's really that simple.
It seems to be working quite well.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:28:35 GMT
Aaron, since you have never used Windows 2000 you should yield here.
Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>
> Todd wrote:
> >
> > "mlw" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> > news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > > With operating systems as great as Linux and FreeBSD available for free,
> > > why would anyone consider Windows NT Server?
> > >
> > > I can't think of a single reason why any responsible IT department would
> > > deploy NT.
> >
> > Neither can I. We are deploying Windows 2000.
> >
> > Linux shouldn't be trying to compete with NT. Linux needs to be able to
> > compete with 2000 - which I don't believe it can do yet, if ever.
> >
> > -Todd
>
> Sure thing, Todd Needham, Microshaft employee.
>
> >
> > > --
> > > http://www.mohawksoft.com
>
> --
> Aaron R. Kulkis
> Unix Systems Engineer
> DNRC Minister of all I survey
> ICQ # 3056642
>
> H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
> I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
> J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
> A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
>
> B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
> C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
> D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
> E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
> F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
> G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Why NT?
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:30:52 GMT
And you give the impression that you are reputable after having actually
used W2K
Donn Miller wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
> >
> > Donn Miller wrote:
>
> > > So, unfortunately, many non computer-savvy people automatically point to
> > > Microsoft as being a great software company, and Bill Gates as being the
> > > smart-but-nerdy-looking computer scientist. This is all they know.
> >
> > Microsoft marketing department has created quite a cult, haven't they...
>
> Actually, it's much more dangerous than a cult. Microsoft has all the
> computer illiterate people in the world thinking they're a reputable
> software company.
>
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Name one thing Microsoft INVENTED....
Date: 6 Jan 2001 22:32:58 GMT
Les Mikesell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Regedit - the 'real' windows user interface.
Wow! Registry User Interface. A whole innovative concept besides WUI, GUI
and CLUE. :-)
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To love is good, love being difficult.
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From: genkai wa doko da <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!!
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:33:06 GMT
linux usings being fagit who don't know real perfesional operatoning
systim like windows NT!!
fuck off!
Sent via Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/
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From: "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Need help with NT
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:56:18 -0600
"Peter Köhlmann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:936q1j$mrd$00$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> > syntax in /etc/conf.modules. For this example, the addresses and IRQ
> > numbers are made up, and I will assume that you have bought a matched
pair
> > of NE2000 clones (a common choice). Your /etc/conf.modules file should
> > look like this:
> >
> > alias eth0 ne
> > alias eth1 ne
> > options ne io=0x330,0x360 irq=7,9 "
>
> Sure, there are others even more a wintroll than you are, but this
> procedure can be found quite easily. And IF you really had that problem
> (there are newsgroups where you can find all your reported problems with
> linux) you would have searched a little better AND found this simple
answer
> in less than an hour.
> I don't believe you.
I couldn't search the newsgroups because the network adapters weren't
working.
You can choose to believe what you want, but why is it that whenever I
present a problem and someone claims it doesn't exist that I can find
documentation that says it does?
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From: Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: ATA RIPOFF! ALERT!
Date: 6 Jan 2001 22:47:20 GMT
Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Only because they couldn't get a big enough piece of the action, I'm sure.
It might easily be so.
Microsoft is known for downsizing what competitors do, and in a few months
vapour-selling the very same concept.
--
Andres Soolo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Demand the establishment of the government
in its rightful home at Disneyland.
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:49:15 +0100
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> And Linux has only recently been able to automate the connection
> process so the user doesn't have to screw with ppp-options files, chat
> scripts and so for. MS was a little slow out of the gate, but
flathead, you should at least TRY to get your facts right. My Linux -
machine which connects the complete network to the internet did this
several years ago without any intervention from a user. And far easier to
setup compared to a windows-machine (with firewall etc).
Just try to look to have an IQ above 60
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Need help with NT
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 22:55:13 GMT
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 10:56:18 -0600, "Erik Funkenbusch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>I couldn't search the newsgroups because the network adapters weren't
>working.
>
>You can choose to believe what you want, but why is it that whenever I
>present a problem and someone claims it doesn't exist that I can find
>documentation that says it does?
The Penguinista's are in denial and this is one of their canned
answers.
>
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: MH <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: rt18139.c
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 17:55:22 -0500
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> Excellent!!!!
>
> By my estimate you should be up and on the net by June 2001 or so. But
> you WILL be running Linux, the worlds most advanced operating system.
>
Ouch!
<In pain while running RedSkank Linux>
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From: "Mac" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.uu.comp.os.linux.questions,comp.os.linux.help
Subject: Looking for medical clinic software
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 16:59:06 -0600
We are considering implementing Linux servers and workstaions in a medical
clinic. One requirement for this installation is that the main application
software must be Linux native code. What I am looking for is:
-o- Practice Management
-o- EMR (Electronic Medical Records)
Does anyone know of anything?
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.linux.misc,comp.unix.solaris
Subject: Re: Red Hat dead/dying?
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 11:59:52 +1300
I guess the quote:
London attributed the layoffs to redundancies created by acquisitions, and
said the move has nothing to do with any troubles at Red Hat (RHAT). "This
is not a material event, so to speak," she said, noting that the layoffs
will affect "only 2 percent of 550 people."
hmm, typical wintrol anecdotal stories regarding how Linux is failings. I
have said it once, and I will say it again, the future is in selling
services, NOT software, hence, the reason why Redhat is developing a
consulting wing to handle installation and integration of Linux. If you
look at the big players, esp. IBM, most of there revenue is derived from
consulting/selling solutions based around there software, ie. creating the
ultimate integrated solution.
kiwiunixman
"James Hutchins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> http://www.wired.com/news/linux/0,1411,40513,00.html
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Microsoft is 20-years BEHIND other OS vendors
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:01:34 GMT
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 23:49:15 +0100, Peter Köhlmann
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>>
>> And Linux has only recently been able to automate the connection
>> process so the user doesn't have to screw with ppp-options files, chat
>> scripts and so for. MS was a little slow out of the gate, but
>
>flathead, you should at least TRY to get your facts right. My Linux -
>machine which connects the complete network to the internet did this
>several years ago without any intervention from a user. And far easier to
>setup compared to a windows-machine (with firewall etc).
>Just try to look to have an IQ above 60
I'm talking about having it set up during install time, like Mandrake
and SuSE currently do and they have NOT been doing it for years. Sure
you could use WVDial or something like that, but as far as being
prompted at install time and having a working modem connection when
done, Linux is new at it. In the past it required screwing around with
config files and even until recently the "noauth" statement had to be
commented out of one file in order to successfully connect to
Worldnet.
I would hardly call this setting it up at install time.
Next you'll be telling me RedHat 4.2, 5.0, 5.1 and 5.2 did it right
out of the box...
You're mixing up what Linux was/has been capable of doing and what it
has been able to allow the user to do easily at install time.
Flatfish
Why do they call it a flatfish?
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From: Peter =?ISO-8859-1?Q?K=F6hlmann?= <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Sucking Linux 2.0.4!!!
Date: Sun, 7 Jan 2001 00:05:03 +0100
genkai wa doko da wrote:
>
>
>
> linux usings being fagit who don't know real perfesional operatoning
> systim like windows NT!!
>
> fuck off!
>
>
> Sent via Deja.com
> http://www.deja.com/
Hi, Timmy !
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From: "kiwiunixman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Sat, 06 Jan 2001 23:09:38 GMT
I've played rugby and cricket, and both sports are awsome. After looking at
a baseball game, the only people I could see actually liking the game would
be TPT (Tralor Park Trash), who are ammused easily by an uncivilised,
burping, farting, tobacco-chewing, red-neck batters/pitchers. How many
people/stations watch/televise baseball? very few (apart from ESPN, which
will show you any shitty sport, no matter how obscure). Is obvious you have
never really played a game of cricket (for a club) in your life, or have the
ability to bowl or bat properly.
kiwiunixman
"Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:5OK56.1679$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
> "JM" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > On Sat, 06 Jan 2001 09:28:48 GMT, in comp.os.linux.advocacy,
> > ("Tom Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:
> >
> > >> Ever seen a game of rugby...no poofy pads and shit! now thats a real
> mans
> > >> sport!
> >
> > >Played it a few times. It was fun. Chipped a tooth.
> > >Played cricket once, too. Very boring game...
> >
> > Ever seen baseball? Now THAT'S boring. Every player's allowed to be
> > out about 50 times.
>
> Even though baseball is the "all-american" game, I never was that fond of
> it.
>
> At least it isn't hockey...
>
> (Commence flaming now, Canadians)
>
>
> --
> Tom Wilson
> Sunbelt Software Solutions
>
>
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