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Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. (silverback)
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (silverback)
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Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 05:17:09 GMT
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 12:20:06 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>silverback wrote:
>>
>> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:44:35 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> >Scott Erb wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I couldn't believe the sudden torrent of fascist like threats and
>> > ^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >
>> >Spot the character assassination.
>> >
>> >
>> >First of all, Fascism is a form of socialism. By now, it should be
>>
>> wrong clyde. Fascism is the polar opposite of socialism. Fascism has
>
>Spot the lie.
>
>The Nazis were Fascist. What part of National Socialist Party do
>you not understand?
poor stupid bastard. Are you going to tell us next that Red China is a
republic? How about the former democracy know as East Germany. Was
that a democracy?
Answer up you silly dumb fuck. Yer answer surely will amuse a great
many.
>
>
>> always been a top down revolution to protect the interest of the rich
>> corporate owners. The fact that the fascist supporters are from the
>> top tier of society is enough to dispense with yer silly nonsense.
>
>What part of the National Socialist Party were fascists do you not understand?
>
reread above dummy?
>
>>
>> >very very very clear that I am utterly opposed to all forms of socialism,
>> >as that is merely a trendy word for government-mandated slavery.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> bravado. Apparently the guy does not like being shown that he is wrong
>> >> in his world view -- a view which seems based on his own whims, never
>> >
>> >No...what I don't like are closet-wannabe-dictators like you, who piss
>> >on the Constitution, promote worker-enslaving taxation schemes, and then
>> >want to parade around as if you are some sort of liberator.
>> >
>>
>> sorry fools liberals support progressive taxation.
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >> supported or substantiated in any way. He did prove to me in this post
>> >> that he isn't worth being taken seriously. It takes all kinds, I
>> >> guess.
>> >
>> >Fortunately, the vast majority of those who keep and issue the automatic
>> >weapons in this country agree with me.
>> >
>> >heheheheheh
>>
>> and we'll be coming for that illegal gun.
>
>1) my gun is government issued, therefore 100% legal, by definition.
>
>2) *I* will be one of those sent out to "get the guns"
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>
>When *we* come search YOUR house for illegal weapons, so as to implement
>*YOUR* gun control laws....take care to remain silent when we urinate in
>your living room, you communist prick. Otherwise, a little scuffle
>might break out.....and when you feel the horrible pain as a couple of
>bullets enter your body, shattering the very cells of your body tissues
>before it fragments into 5 pieces careening through your body, tearing
>open any blood vessels they encounter...
>
>Just remember...it was YOU who wanted the government to come and
>invade every citizen's home.....and the inquest will find that you
>were putting up illegal resistance, and we will be cleared of all
>wrongful death charges.
>
>After all, that's how it is in a police state.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>> >
>> >Have fun when you get your gun-control laws passed, and discover that
>> >the people sent out to your house to search for them....all think like me.
>> >
>> >Talk about poetic fucking justice.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Mathew wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > For a person who constantly calls people"little dictators"
>> >> > and "fascists" , Aaron certainky takes the cake for personifying
>> >> > his own words.
>> >> >
>> >> > A product of fascist military indoctrination ,no doubt.
>> >> >
>> >> > On Sun, 1 Apr 2001, Aaron R. Kulkis wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > > Scott Erb wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Scott Erb wrote:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > This is why Democracy is *ILLEGAL* at the Federal and State level.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > What on earth do you mean?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > You didn't pay attention in your civics class, did you?
>> >> > > > > Either that, or your teacher was some leftist tool.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Your response is argumentum ad hominem, and thus a fallacy. Anyway,
>> >> > > > I've got a Ph.D. in Political Science, so I obviously have studied quite
>> >> > > > a bit about political systems.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > That must be why you are so full of propaganda, and yet miss
>> >> > > things that are completely fucking obvious to 4-year olds,
>> >> > > such as your ridiculous assertion that races don't exist.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To be a fully brainwashed liberal parasite, a PhD is an absolute
>> >> > > necessity...and something as utterly WORTHLESS and non-testable
>> >> > > as Political Science is a bonus for establishing your credentials
>> >> > > as a true-believer.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Tell us...if you studied Political SCIENCE...tell us of all
>> >> > > the repeatable, verifiable experiments which you perform?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > After all, that *IS* a necessary pre-requisite for something
>> >> > > to be a science.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > No....no...you didn't study Political *Science*...not at all.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You studied Political PROPAGANDA METHODOLOGY.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Fortunately, you are easily defeated by anybody who is half-way
>> >> > > observant of history and the world around him.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > You do know, don't know, that a Republic can be democratic?
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > That's a contradiction in terms.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > DEMO-CRACY literally equals "government by the people"
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > As I explained, a Democratic Republic is NOT a pure democracy where
>> >> > > > majority rules, but a democratic system that is limited by certain
>> >> > > > rules, in our case, a constitution.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > FUCK YOU and your LYING PROPAGANDA SPEWING ASS.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > There is no "democratic" about it. We are a Republic. More
>> >> > > specifically, we are a CONSTITUTIONALLY LIMITED REPUBLIC.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > NOWHERE in *ANY* government laws and sort of democratic *anything*
>> >> > > allowed at the State or Federal level.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If you want to run a town, or even a county, as a democracy, you
>> >> > > are fully within your rights to do so.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > But the US Constitution, the SUPREME LAW OF THE LAND, specificies
>> >> > > in UNMISTAKABLE language the the United States is a Republic.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Not a "democratic republic"....just a Republic.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Popular election of Representatives and Senators does *NOT*
>> >> > > a democracy make, nor a Democratic Republic make, so you and
>> >> > > your PROPAGANDA NOISE about the US being a "democratic Republic"
>> >> > > can go take a flying fucking leap off a cliff.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > If you look at the Constitution, it is quite clear that "the people"
>> >> > > > > are specifically PROHIBITED from governing the nation....that is
>> >> > > > > left to the Senate and the House of Representatives....that is,
>> >> > > > > a REPUBLIC (governance by representatives)
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > That is called representative democracy.
>> >> > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Wrong. The United Kingdom is a Representative Democracy.
>> >> > > However, *WE* do not have a parliamentary system, therefore,
>> >> > > we are not a Representative Democracy
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > By the way, it's best not to contradict yourself within a
>> >> > > mere one paragraph of your previous statement.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > To wit, you previously said that the United States is a "democratic
>> >> > > republic", and *NOW* you said that it is a "representative
>> >> > > democracy".
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well, which is it? A Democracy by Representation, or a
>> >> > > Republic by Democracy?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > It can't be BOTH ways.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Therefore, I have now demonstrated, by your own definitions,
>> >> > > that you lied at least once.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Of course...the real truth is that you lied twice. Every time
>> >> > > you try to weasel in the word "democracy" to describe our system
>> >> > > of government, your are LYING.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Remember, Asshole, several MILLION American took an oath to defend
>> >> > > the CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES against *ALL* enemies, both
>> >> > > foreign and domestic.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > People like you, claiming to have a PhD in Political Science, who
>> >> > > then go around telling lies like such as above, qualify, in no
>> >> > > uncertain terms, as ENEMIES OF THE CONSTITUTION.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Make no doubt about it.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Some day...when they you're lined up against the wall, and you
>> >> > > feel the hot, searing pain of bullets ripping through your body,
>> >> > > literally turning the very cells around the entry wound into
>> >> > > a worthless pool of slime in the wound cavity....just remember,
>> >> > > that I warned you.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oh..and if you think that you should call the government to
>> >> > > come get me...guess what, asshole....I *AM* the government.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Not only that, but *YOUR* *TAX* *DOLLARS* go to express purpose
>> >> > > of training MILLIONS of people just like me, to kill closet-dictator
>> >> > > assholes just like you.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Just remember that the next time you advocate the idea that
>> >> > > individual rights are unnecessary because you can trust the
>> >> > > government to do the right thing.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > People choose their
>> >> > > > representatives, and can hold them accountable at election time. The
>> >> > > > most pure system of representative democracy is the British system,
>> >> > > > which is a parliamentary unitary system (not a Presidential federal
>> >> > > > system).
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The United States is NOT a parliamentary system. Therefore,
>> >> > > the premise of your argument is false...which makes the rest
>> >> > > of your argument null and void.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > For a PhD in Political Science, how come you're getting your ass
>> >> > > REAMED by an engineer who never even fulfilled the necessary
>> >> > > humanities requirements for a degree?
>> >> > >
>> >> > > If I were you, I'd go back to whatever community college you got
>> >> > > your PhD from and demand a fucking refund, because, whatever they
>> >> > > taught you in class, it's quite obvious that you didn't learn jack
>> >> > > shit about the real world (other than how to lie).
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > -snip-
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > sets certain rules and procedures within which the democratic aspects
>of
>> >> > > > > > the system function. The term "Liberal Democracy" (used to describe
>the
>> >> > > > > > US and many European states) means a Democratic Republic limited by
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > The us is NOT a democracy of any type. Whoever told you that the US is
>> >> > > > > a "Liberal Democracy" is either ignorant of what the term means, or
>> >> > > > > filling your head with propaganda. Likewise for Europe. In fact,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Alas, you're the one totally out of step with all theory and scholarship
>> >> > > > on this issue, as well the history of the US.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Said "Scholarship" being the work of your fellow leftist closet-dictators.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Oh no, you, and they, *certainly* don't have an axe to grind...other
>> >> > > than the fact that you got picked on in high school, and now you're
>> >> > > looking for revenge...and the best way YOU can think of is to set
>> >> > > up a form of government where you can micromanage their lives.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Well, fortunately, because leftist assholes like you refuse to serve in
>> >> > > the military...guess what....All the people who actually HAVE THE GUNS...
>> >> > > ..you know..the MILITARY GRADE GUNS....the ones with the KEYS TO
>> >> > > THE ARMS ROOMS IN THE ARMORIES...and the KEYS TO THE AMMUNITION
>> >> > > STORAGE POINTS....guess what...***ALL*** of those people are the very
>> >> > > same people who's political views you despise.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The police, the army, the FBI, the CIA...leftist assholes like you
>> >> > > all shirk your responsibilities as a citizen, to do your part to
>> >> > > serve in these organizations...don't you.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Therefore...here's a fucking thought that should help you sleep
>> >> > > soundly...
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Those people who's political views you abhor:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > THEY're the ones who patrol your streets
>> >> > > THEY're the ones who have the civil disturbance training.
>> >> > > THEY're the ones who run the military
>> >> > > THEY're the ones who fly the air force's combat aircraft
>> >> > > THEY're the ones who crew the tanks
>> >> > > THEY're the ones who man the cannons
>> >> > > THEY're the ones who carry the rifles, machine guns, grenade
>> >> > > launchers, and all of the other parafarnelia of
>> >> > > the infantryman
>> >> > >
>> >> > > so DON'T FUCK WITH THEM, because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO STAND
>> >> > > GUARD WHILE YOU SLEEP!
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > I know of *NO* nation on the face of the earth which is a democracy.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > If you look at any text (I'd recommend Hauss' Comparative Politics, or
>> >> > > > Juerg Steiner's "European Democracies"), you'd see that all what are
>> >> > > > called "democracies" today are Republics of some sort, save perhaps
>> >> > > > Great Britain whose link to the Monarchy gives it a different kind of
>> >> > > > rationale (though it still functions practically as a democracy, albeit
>> >> > > > not limited by a written constitution but agreements between Parliament
>> >> > > > and the Crown, and precident).
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > No government is a "pure democracy" of majority rule with no limits.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Really? Are you absolutely sure?
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > > That is obvious.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > No, it is not obvious at all.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > > liberal principles (a right to life, liberty, and property, with a
>focus
>> >> > > > > > on individual freedoms, harkening back to philosophers like Locke, it
>is
>> >> > > > > > distrustful of a strong central government).
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > None of which has to do with Democracy.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Respect for human rights is not democracy. In fact, Democracy is
>> >> > > > > particularly DANGEROUS to human rights. Ever hear of the term
>> >> > > > > "the Tyranny of the Majority" If "the majority" of easily confused
>> >> > > > > and swayed citizens can be rallied to violate your human rights, then
>> >> > > > > exactly how does a democracy connote human rights.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > All that is why we have Democratic Republics. That is what the general
>> >> > > > term "democracy" means in current usage. If you're attacking crude pure
>> >> > > > democracy you're just attacking a straw man, your argument has no
>> >> > > > relevance to issues at hand today.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > You insist on insertin the word Democracy without showing me ANY
>> >> > > citations that give you a basis for such a claim.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > The United States constitution specifically spells out the word
>> >> > > REPUBLIC. The word "Democracy" isn't even mentioned. In fact,
>> >> > > up until the 1930's, the U.S. Army Basic Training handbook, which
>> >> > > is given to each soldier, specifically stated that not only is
>> >> > > the United Staes ***NOT*** a democracy, but also (truthfully,
>> >> > > I might note), that democracy is the greatest threat to the
>> >> > > protection of human rights.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Democracy is the last step before dictatorship.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Ask the Russians.
>> >> > > Ask the Germans.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > They know.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > > Fortunately, the final protector of the human rights affirmed in the
>> >> > > > > Constitution is the 2nd Amendment (Unconditional right to keep and
>> >> > > > > bear arms) which gives teeth to all of the others.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Of course, a fat lot of good that will do you if you try to claim the US
>> >> > > > government is illegitimate and try to ignore it. The government can
>> >> > > > outescalate you every step of the way.
>> >> > > > cheers, scott
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Clue for the clueless...I ***AM*** the government, you asshole.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Specifically, I am part of the very force that you saw will be
>> >> > > "sent to get me"....in fact....I would say that 90% or more of
>> >> > > the infantrymen,...the guys who you think will be "sent out to
>> >> > > get me"....believe the same things as what I stated above.
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Putting PhD behind your name doesnt change the fact that we all
>> >> > > know that you're lying out your ass....
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > --
>> >> > > Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >> > > Unix Systems Engineer
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >--
>> >Aaron R. Kulkis
>> >Unix Systems Engineer
>
>
>--
>Aaron R. Kulkis
>Unix Systems Engineer
>DNRC Minister of all I survey
>ICQ # 3056642
>
>K: Truth in advertising:
> Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
> Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
> Special Interest Sierra Club,
> Anarchist Members of the ACLU
> Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
> The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
> Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,
>
>
>J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
> The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
> also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
>
>I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
> challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
> between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
> Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
>
>H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
> premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
> you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
> you are lazy, stupid people"
>
>G: Knackos...you're a retard.
>
>
>F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
> adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
>
>E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
> her behavior improves.
>
>D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
> ...despite (C) above.
>
>C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
>
>B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
> method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
> direction that she doesn't like.
>
>A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
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