Linux-Advocacy Digest #373, Volume #31 Wed, 10 Jan 01 18:13:05 EST
Contents:
One difficult way to sort of achieve it. ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (mark)
Re: Microsoft releases Games console (mark)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (mark)
Re: open source is getting worst with time. (mark)
Re: Linux vs Microsoft (mark)
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: You and Microsoft... ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Predictions (mark)
Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time? (Mig)
Re: kernel problems ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: kernel problems ("Nigel Feltham")
Re: Linux is not UNIX(tm) ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant. ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next? ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: One difficult way to sort of achieve it.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:11:54 -0000
>> Huh? If you've got the windows CD, just boot off it.
>
>Oops! What happens if you have no CD either?
>
I guess one way some longtime NT user could do it
would be to make ms lanmanager floppy disks and
install these on the blank machine to connect to the
network - would probably only work on a machine
with old ne2000 isa netcard though (MS lanman
client used to be on NT4 install cd - at least on the
msdn versions I have seen).
Of course this is only suitable for installing over a LAN
and doesn't count as Internet install ability.
Another way would be to install Arachne DOS internet
browser (www.arachne.cz) and connect to the net over
a dos tcpip stack and download the whole CD contents
to the local drive before starting install (dos ftp clients
may also be available). Still not true internet install though.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:57:35 +0000
In article <EaN66.742$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>"Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> >
>> > "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > news:93g4bs$a7jc6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > >
>> > > Erik Funkenbusch wrote in message
><07K66.581$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
>> > > >"J Sloan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> > > >news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > >> Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > http://www.ultimatetv.com/
>> > > >>
>> > > >> So, how come tivo is popular, but nobody's even heard of this one?
>> > > >
>> > > >MS just launched it recently. There's also ReplayTV, which isn't
>Linux
>> > > >based either.
>> > >
>> > > Also doesn't help that the linux machine being open based will
>eventually
>> > > work
>> > > with all TV sources (terrestrial, sat and cable) yet the MS device
>follows
>> > > their
>> > > crappy closed standards phillosophy and only works with their own
>> > Satellite
>> > > transmissions.
>> >
>> > Uhh.. MS doesn't own DirecTV. Also note that TiVo has recently begun
>> > selling an integrated unit as well (again, with DirecTV) and the picture
>> > quality is amazing because there is no analog to digital conversion for
>> > recording.
>> >
>> > You are still limited to whatever video source TiVo decides to support.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> And this is different from any other system how, exactly
>
>Nigel seemed to be saying that TiVo users could adapt their TiVo boxes to
>use any source they wanted to. That's not the case (I wish, I'd love it if
>I could use an optical coupling for digital sound). My point was that you
>are still limited to whatever hardware TiVo gives you in the system (there
>are a few miraculous hacks already, such as an ethernet card for the TiVo,
>but it's highly unlikely anyone will be coming up with new video sources for
>the thing)
>
>
>
>
>
get out your soldering iron!
mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Microsoft releases Games console
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:54:54 +0000
In article <hwU66.27598$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>Nigel Feltham wrote:
>
>> Also doesn't help that the linux machine being open based will eventually
>> work
>> with all TV sources (terrestrial, sat and cable) yet the MS device follows
>> their
>> crappy closed standards phillosophy and only works with their own
>> Satellite transmissions.
>
>TiVo here in the UK is supported by Sky Television; there's no alternative.
>You can't run TiVo without a subscription to the channel information, only
>available from Sky.
Mmm, what a nightmare.
Don't think I'd bother with that.
>--
>Pete, running KDE2 on Linux Mandrake 7.2
>
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:02:09 +0000
In article <93h3r4$6b6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Stuart Fox wrote:
>In article <KMu66.56934$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> "Les Mikesell" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> "Stuart Fox" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>> news:93c8bi$af6$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Very easy.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > You can't install 99% of the Windows programs using a command
>line
>> > > > > because they require GDI interaction.
>> > > > >
>> > > > You can install just about all of the Microsoft apps/server apps
>> > from
>> > > > the command line with an answer or ini file. If other vendors
>> > choose
>> > > > not to make the command line option available, that's their
>problem.
>> > > > The mechanisms are there, just that many don't use them...
>> > >
>> > > Try installing a package via telnet this way some time and see
>how it
>> > > works to answer questions you can't see.
>> >
>> > Read the post again. You can install just about all the Microsoft
>apps
>> > from the command line, without requiring GUI input.
>>
>> Doesn't making an answer or ini file imply that you must already
>> know the answers to all the possible questions? What if
>> you don't?
>>
>Typically when installing one of the MS apps you do know all the
>answers. If it turns out for some reason it doesn't work (eg running
>out of hard disk space) it errors out without a gui window (since
>you're running it in silent mode). Typically it'll log the
>installation process somewhere, either a text file or the event log (or
>both).
>
>
>Sent via Deja.com
>http://www.deja.com/
My problem with this whole thread is simple - most of the time is
not all of the time.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: open source is getting worst with time.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:01:06 +0000
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Ian Davey wrote:
>In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>I should ammend that. Europe, the Arab countries, and Russia
>>do NOT have properly designed electrical equipment because they
>>have an improper plug standards.
>
>Actually, in the UK we have three pin plugs as well:
>
> E
>
> N L
>
>(E)arth
>(L)ive
>(N)eutral
>
>
>ian.
>
> \ /
>(@_@) http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/ (dark literature)
>/(&)\ http://www.eclipse.co.uk/sweetdespise/libertycaptions/ (art)
> | |
BS1363 will provide lots more info. Safest plug-tops on the planet.
Mark
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Subject: Re: Linux vs Microsoft
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 21:51:10 +0000
In article <EKe66.161394$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Pete Goodwin wrote:
>Glitch wrote:
>
>> > > Getting fixes withen weeks of a release is a hell of a lot better than
>> > > waiting 6 months for a service pack from MS!
>> >
>> > During which time, Microshaft denies that the problems even exist...
>>
>> after which more problems occur
>
>Linux, of course, is the shining example of no problems occuring at all
>isnt it... oh sorry... that's not exactly true.
No it's not - problems do occur. But they get fixed in linux. Nobody
ever said that problems dont' occur in linux, that's a microsoft thing.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:15:02 -0000
>The Windows setup files are all 8.3 conformant. We were talking about
using
>a network card, not a modem.
>
I thought we were talking about installing from the internet so both
netcards and
modems are relevent here.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:20:42 -0000
>We left our web server alone for two months before rebooting. That's no
>maintenance at all.
>
Then realised it crashed one and a half months before the reboot?
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: You and Microsoft...
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:32:46 -0000
>And, we hope you love your computer since you will now have to buy
>another copy of
>Whistler if you ever change computers:
>
>http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/zd/20010108/tc/new_whistler_build_adds_anti-pi
racy_lock_1.html
>
Anyone know what the key is based on - will the OS blowup if bios is
reflashed or motherboard is
upgraded - if so the companies will quickly dump this bloated pile of crap
needed PC spec I have
seen quotes 128mb ram minimum and 1ghz cpu recommended) and install linux
instead - no
worries about your OS and data being unrecoverable after the slightest
hardware upgrade and
only 1 copy of the install CD needed for the whole company (if they don't
dump MS then they
will at least not switch from their current version which will have the same
effect - MS Dies).
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mark)
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Predictions
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:05:39 +0000
In article <3a5a1f15$0$60634$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
>"Joseph T. Adams" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
>news:935kn8$8lg$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
><snip crap>
>
>> I'm all for successful "capitalism." Just not organized crime.
>>
>> Most grown-ups do know the difference between the two.
>
wow - I didn't know there was one. I thought it was all a question
of definition of the victim.
>And as a grown-up I recognize that what MS does is not even remotely a
>crime, let alone an organized one. They are a successful company and a huge
>one at that - how else would you expect the largest software company to act
>and be reacted to by the smaller companies and wannabe's? Let MS fall, fine.
>Now let Oracle step up - do you expect anything different? Do you think if
>MS fell and RedHat became the next biggest software company in the world
>(divine intervention assuming) - would they do anything differnt? Hell no,
>they are in it for the money. Period.
>
>
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From: Mig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Subject: Re: Why does Win2k always fail in running time?
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 23:35:02 +0100
Bobby D. Bryant wrote:
> Conrad Rutherford wrote:
>
> > ALL of the things you mention, if
> > they were true, are such big show stoppers that the millions of poeple
> > runing W2K
>
> Just curious... how many people *are* running W2K, as far as anyone can
> tell?
About half of those that Gartner predicted last year. If i recall correct
they said 20% - the real number is max 10 % .
--
Cheers
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:39:23 -0500
Charlie Ebert wrote:
>
> In article <HsR66.27138$[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Kyle Jacobs wrote:
> >Oh boo hoo, you have to reboot your system. Boo hoo... Give me a break.
> >
> >Linux patch modules almost never work. They're just flat out unreliable,
> >more often then they are reliable.
> >
> >And installing those patches is a royal pain in the ass, when most Windows
> >drivers come with (GASP) INSTALLERS.
> >
>
> This could be why my friends Windows box with a SB live card sounds
> similar to a 1968 transistor radio.
>
> It's the old ONE SIZE fit's all concept again.
>
> We have ONE port on the kernel so let's run everybody's sound card
> thru this thing with a series of drivers for each!
>
> Brilliant.
>
> That's what made windows and that's what sucks.
>
> And if you can't tell see this difference by now you probably
> couldn't differentiate between a plate of cornbeef and a plate of shit.
Kyle's problem is that he believes in paying premium prices for the plate o' shit.
>
> Charlie
>
> ><TTK Ciar> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> >> >
> >> >With Windows, you don't need to recompile, you download the DRIVER run
> >the
> >> >INSTALLER and you've got yourself the latest, greatest from whoever made
> >> >"it".
> >>
> >> Yes, you can do that with Linux, too. In Linux terminology,
> >> though, they're called "kernel modules" instead of "drivers".
> >> What Linux has that Windows does not have is the option to modify
> >> and recompile your kernel if you need it to do something that
> >> nobody's written a module for. Of course, you can *choose* not
> >> to mess with the kernel too, which is better than having no choice
> >> about the matter at all (a la Windows).
> >>
> >> Another difference is that in order to install a kernel module
> >> (or uninstall one -- hey, try uninstalling random "drivers" on your
> >> Windows box, and tell me who is "crude and inconsistent") you do not
> >> have to exit your Linux applications or reboot afterwards. And I'll
> >> bet Linux has more functional and useful modules than Windows has
> >> drivers.
> >>
> >> >Gee, seems to be working.
> >>
> >> Yes, Linux works beautifully. Thanks for mentioning it.
> >>
> >> -- TTK
> >>
> >
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Nigel Feltham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: kernel problems
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 22:38:14 -0000
>That clears up quite a bit. Thanks. So, what is vmlinuz?
vmlinuz is a compressed kernel image similar to the
bzimage file except the compression ratio is not so
good - it was used by earlier kernels as the boot
kernel but was replaced by bzimage format as newer
kernels are often too big to be loaded in the old format.
(can still be used with minimal kernel options).
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Linux is not UNIX(tm)
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:42:41 -0500
Erik Funkenbusch wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > J Sloan wrote:
> > >
> > > Mart van deWege wrote:
> > >
> > > > FYI, I haven't got the link handy, but it should be on the web
> > > > somewhere. Building a fully functional UNIX clone out of Minix
> > > > was *exactly* what Linus set out to do.
> > >
> > > He was inspired by Minix, and wanted to do something similar,
> > > but the design of Linux was radically different. For a short time
> > > Linux made use of the Minix file system, but rapidly outgrew
> > > those training wheels and discarded them.
> > >
> > > Technically, Linus used "The design of the Unix Operating
> > > System" by Maurice J Bach for his direction on Linux.
> > >
> > > BTW the debate between Linus and Dr Tannenbaum, the author
> > > of Minix, was famous - let's just say that the design philosophies
> > > of Linux and Minix had deep and irreconcilable differences.
> > >
> > > At the risk of pointing out the obvious, time has proved Linus correct -
> > >
> >
> > Which probably frosts Tannenbaum to no end...
>
> [entire context except grossly incompetant .sig snipped for a point]
>
> Why do you suppose it is that Aaron is only capable of making stupid
> comments on other peoples facts (without snipping any irrelevant text),
Actually, I make insightful observations about other peoples' stupid comments.
hope that helps, 2.0
> rather than coming up with logical, well thought out statements of his own?
>
> I'd wager that 90% of aaron's posts are one or two sentances with 100x more
> quoted material.
Context is everything.
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: alt.linux.sux
Subject: Re: Linux is crude and inconsistant.
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:46:57 -0500
Kyle Jacobs wrote:
>
> Ok, this certifies you have never had to work with REAL people during your
> tenor as an administrator.
tenor what? tenor saxophone?
>
Actually, over 50% of my professional TENURE as an administrator
has involved direct USER SUPPORT. This includes close to 2 years
on General Motors sites, 1 year at Ford, and the like.
> Says a lot about why you use Linux then.
>
> Those of us who deal with real people, people who aren't as FORTUNATE as I
> am to know what I know about computing, know why Linux is totally
> unfeasible.
>
> "." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
> news:93fuvi$90s$[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
> > In comp.os.linux.advocacy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > On 9 Jan 2001 17:25:04 GMT, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (.) wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>I see that guy is writing your posts again. Or at least, hes copying
> > >>directly from an old spec sheet.
> > >>
> > >>Which is more than youre capable of doing, claire. Nice one.
> >
> >
> > > You just have a difficult time accepting that most people have a far
> > > better understanding of computer history than you have, mostly because
> > > they have lived through it and you are in all likely hood some pimple
> > > faced, kid wannabe who never had the opportunity to be a part of
> > > history. Like the PS/2 model 80/85, which is a piece of history in and
> > > of itself.
> >
> > Ah, whats your name, little boy? Does your mommy know youre posting for
> > her again?
> >
> > > Would you like me to tell you about the model 70?
> > > Or how about the model 25?
> >
> > > What made the model 25 different than the others?
> >
> >
> > > What do you need to get into Advcanced Diagnostic mode on a PS/2 and
> > > why did it upset many people?
> >
> > Claire, I didnt have a "home computer" until my first commodore, which
> > was in 1986. The only IBM's ive ever touched start with the AS/400 and
> > go up from there.
> >
> > Ive never been a 'computer repair person'. I started out (I dont count
> > playing around with a home computer "starting out") as the administrator
> > of a small network of graphics workstations in my first year of college.
> > (1987). I continued in and out of the field for many years.
> >
> > My home computer history does not include an IBM machine of any kind.
> >
> > However, it does include 5 amigas, 2 c/64s, 1 c/128, 1 c/pet (freebie,
> > who could blame me), 1 mac classic, 1 mac plus, 1 PM7200/75, 1 PM
> 7200/120,
> > 1PM 7500/100, 1 amiga 2000, 1 486dx/66, 1 ppro 200 system, and my most
> > current:
> >
> > PIII 666 w/384 megs ram, gforce2, sblive, UDMA/66, 80gigs hd space,
> > nice abit mboard, 21" trinitron and some really shitty speakers that
> > ill be replacing with jbl monitors and suitable pre/amplification next
> > week.
> >
> > > Go ahead idiot...I'm waiting?
> >
> > > If you have all of this experience you say you do you will be able to
> > > easily answer those questions without scouting the net for the
> > > answers,
> >
> > Thats not true at all. Thats like saying that if you dont know anything
> > about the way edsels were built, you couldnt possibly know anything about
> > the way the space shuttle is built. Your logic is flawed, and you are an
> > idiot.
> >
> > > but that is what you will do anyway because you don't have a
> > > clue.
> >
> > Actually, I dont do that claire, thats something that YOU do. You're
> > getting us confused. I dont cheat at challenges, and I indeed know
> > almost nothing about the Ps/2 series, as I was never dumb enough to
> > buy one.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----.
> >
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:48:55 -0500
Gary Hallock wrote:
>
> "Aaron R. Kulkis" wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Yes...I know...I have used XEDIT off and on for a total of 6 years,
> > and I have never seen a 3270 manual.
> >
> > However, he's also arguing that I should have read the non-existant
> > 3270 manual to use XEDIT properly.
> >
>
> Wrong on two counts. First, I never said you had to read the 3270 manual
> to use xedit properly, despite your constantly repeating this lie.
Then why do you keep telling me that my problem with XEDIT is
that I haven't read the 3270 manual??
Hmmmmmmmm?
> Second, the 3270 manual is not non-existant.
It's been non-existant at every facility where I've used 3270's...
> I provided a link to the
> manual and you can even get it in hardcopy form if you want.
Since this is the year 2001, And this helps me in 1983 how, exactly?
>
> Gary
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To:
alt.os.linux,comp.os.os2.advocacy,comp.os.os2.apps,comp.os.os2.misc,comp.os.os2.networking.tcp-ip
Subject: Re: Operating Systems? Where would you go next?
Date: Wed, 10 Jan 2001 17:50:39 -0500
John Brock wrote:
>
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> Aaron R. Kulkis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> >Yes...I know...I have used XEDIT off and on for a total of 6 years,
> >and I have never seen a 3270 manual.
>
> Isn't it kind of odd that you should have used XEDIT for so long
> without learning what the ALL command does?
Considering that until Hallock posted a URL for the XEDIT manual,
I had never even SEEN any XEDIT documentation....NO, it's not
odd at all.
Or are you now going to argue that I should be in telephathic
contact with IBM programmers.
>
> And we know for a fact that you did not, at least until very
> recently, understand what ALL does, since earlier in this thread
> you equated it with the vi command "s/bad/good/g", which is just
> flat out wrong.
> --
> John Brock
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
--
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642
H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
you are lazy, stupid people"
I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole
J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
also known as old hags who've hit the wall....
A: The wise man is mocked by fools.
B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
direction that she doesn't like.
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.
D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
...despite (C) above.
E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
her behavior improves.
F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.
G: Knackos...you're a retard.
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